Ok help me please breast n bottle feeders

[~*clairesmum*~]

i dont no what section to put this in cause im asking a question about formula but telling u whats happening with breastfeeding as well

So Oliver is 4wks old today :smiliedance:, n has being so unsettled the last 5days with wind so we got infacol n colic stuff n its bring up the wind but thats it, hes being crying for 4hrs tried giving him breast etc... so i got pooping n stole some premade s26 gold from my lil sister n gave him some just then n he has settled n gone to sleep, he drank 50mls, gave 3big burps n is alseep, im going to the docs etc... tomorrow but i dont think my breast milk is filling him up cause he feeds every hr to 2hrs a day n 3hrs at nite....

my question is what is the best formula thats no karicare?

with claire i used hinez nurture but that was when she was 8mths old,

i feel kinda sad cause i bf claire for 18mths etc... n now this with oliver...

[84zsazsa]

Glad it settled down for you chic......just posted some tips for you on your Facebook profile in regards to the wind.

I do often wonder about my breast milk being enough for CJ aswell as he is not feeding as often as your boy but has failed to gain any weight in 2wks (although he has not lost any) and feeds for anywhere from an hr or 2 on the breast at each feed...:eek:...it is like it is not filling him up enough.

Will be interesting to see the other responses you get.

Danni

[~*clairesmum*~]

yeah im still waiting... it will be intresting if hes gained anymore weight its being about a wk since i last did it... hopefully find out y bubs not gaining weight at least hes not losing weight

[justmum]

If you want to continue with the BF, I just wanted to say that it sounds pretty normal to me - my DS was just like that. BF babies feed more often and it's not that they aren't satisfied or filled up but just that BM is digested so much more easily tan formula.

If you want to give formula then we used NAN 1HA Gold which was really good but a bit $$.

You can always to combination feeding - BF first and then formula top ups. We did that for 6 months so DS got the benefit of the BM.

If you're not sure, I would give the ABA a call and ask for some help - they have 24 hour counsellors available to talk to.

[~*clairesmum*~]

thanks heaps just mum im going to go to docs n see wat they say

[peanutbutter&jelly]

My DS fed every 2 hours for a while, then every 3 hours day and night ever since. He's now 7 months.
Is there a possibility he has reflux? My DS used to feed to comfort himself from the burn of reflux but then because he was in pain didn't want to feed. Often bubs who have formula are more settled because the formula is heavier is their stomachs, so they don't get the reflux. If thats what it is, you can go back to BFing and get him on meds... I'd be BFing, maybe try and express a little first and then feed him? Thats what worked for us anyway... It was enough to settle my boy before he had a proper feed and would settle down for a sleep or play. Wind... I have no solution other than some cool boiled water worked one night for us when he got really bad. Other than that he had to grow out of everything :(
:hugs: Hope he has a good night for you :hugs:

[justmum]

Sometimes feeding so often can make them more unsettled because they can develop "lactose overload". Might be worth checking that with the ABA.

[evesmum]

It is normal for a baby this young to feed for an hour or more and then want more only an hour later. As you may have heard already breastmilk is very quickly and easily digested and babies this young have tummy's no bigger than thier fist. They eat small amounts, digest it quickly and then want more shortly after.


Of course all babies are different and some will go fo much longer stretches between feeds but those babies that wnat it more regularly are still getting enough breastmilk.


It is hard when you feel like all you are doing is feding a baby for 90% of the day but it does settle down and they will go for longer periods eventually:hugs:.

If you are feeding your baby according to thier need to be fed then you wont have any supply problems.

My ds used to feed for 1-2hrs and then want more an hour later, it did drive me crazy but at about 8weeks he started having bigger gaps between feeds.

Maybe you could call an ABA counsellor for a bit of support and a chat?

Justmum - do you have a reference point about overfeeding and lactose overload? I have never hear of that and would be interested what you have read/heard :)

[reAllytee]

I will butt in here a little LOL !


Lactose overload
Lactose overload can mimic lactose intolerance, and is frequently mistaken for it. An overload is commonly seen in babies consuming large amounts of breastmilk, ie in mothers with an oversupply. This may result in symptoms such as an unsettled baby with adequate to large weight gains, more than ten wet and many dirty nappies in 24 hours. Baby is usually less than three months old. Ironically, a mother may perceive that she has a low supply because her baby always seems to be hungry. The nappy count can be the biggest clue to what's happening. What comes out the bottom must have gone in the top!


There is a vicious cycle here - a large-volume, low-fat feed goes through the baby so quickly that not all the lactose is digested. (More fat would help slow it down.) The lactose reaching the lower bowel draws extra water into the bowel, and is fermented by the bacteria there producing gas and acid stools. The latter often causes a nappy rash. Gas and fluid build-up causes tummy pain and the baby 'acts hungry' (wants to suck, is unsettled, draws up his legs, screams). Sucking is the best comfort he knows, and helps move the gas along the bowel. This tends to ease the pain temporarily, and may result in the wind and stool being passed. Since the baby indicates that he wants to suck at the breast, his mother, logically, feeds him again. Sometimes it is the only way to comfort him. Unfortunately this provides another large feed on top of the other one, which hurries the system further, and results in more gas and fluid accumulation. The milk seems to almost literally 'go in one end and out the other'.


Many mothers whose babies have had this problem have found it helpful to temporarily change from an on-demand breastfeeding routine. They aim to slow the rate at which milk goes through baby, so they feed one breast per feed, or set aside say a three-hour period (adjust this according to the severity of the oversupply) and every time baby wants to feed during this period, they use the same breast. Then they use the other breast for the next three hours, etc. This way, each time baby returns to the already used breast, he gets a lower-volume, higher-fat feed that helps slow the system down. When the baby's symptoms are relieved, the mother is able to go back to a normal according-to-need breastfeeding routine.


Where the problem is severe and/or long-lasting, it might be worth trying to determine why there is an oversupply of breastmilk.

* Is the mother timing feeds and switching sides after a set number of minutes?
* Has something caused the baby to be unusually unsettled that has resulted in frequent comfort sucking and an oversupply?
* Is secondary lactose intolerance adding to the overload situation?
* Sometimes a mother is worried about having a low supply and overcompensates and overstimulates her supply.
* Perhaps the baby has been unwell, or is suffering discomfort from a difficult birth, and sought comfort in frequent feeds.
* Some mothers just have a tendency to oversupply - there is a normal variation in this as in everything else about our bodies. In days gone by, these may have been the mothers who could have made a living as wet nurses!

[evesmum]

Thank you reALLYtee :)

Where is that info from?



Also I dont get the impression from the OP that its oversupply that is the problem.

[MountainGirl]

Rafferty is 4.5months and still feeds every 2 or so hours during the day:cool:..... it is really normal...he is building your supply. comp feeding will only hinder your BF relationship in the long run.:)

[evesmum]

Rafferty is 4.5months and still feeds every 2 or so hours during the day:cool:..... it is really normal...he is building your supply. comp feeding will only hinder your BF relationship in the long run.:)


yep :yes: my ds is 14mths and still feeds 2 hrly, not that I watch the clock or anything but he would have at least 6 feeds a day and 2-3 overnight.


Do you have supportive people around you who can help with housework and food prep so you dont feel so overwhelmed in these early months clairesmum?

[SuperGranny]

hi clairesmum, I did this twice last night, but my computer dropped it. so here i go again. I dont know about formulas, but if you do want to b/f dont be too keen on giving a bottle. Also I would not ask a male doctor about breastfeeding, and i would not ask a female doctor about breastfeeding unless she had b/f her own kids. Ask a lactation consultant, or someone from ABA, or the many mums here who have been sucessful, and also trust yourself, you said you fed claire for a good while. It is normal for one month old to feed quite often, 1 -2 hours is fine, my children did about a three hour gap but it still went 24 hours around the clock for the first month. It is good to build up the supply, offer different sides. There are many medications for wind problems, and also for reflux, but perservere with the breast feeding, dont be in hurry to give formula. It is possible to do both, b/f and bottle, but always give the breast first, and only top up with a formula once a day, not every feed. Im sure you are doing just fine , and like I said, dont take the doctors word for anything, ask people who know what they are talking about. best wishes, Marie.

[~mia&ryan~]

DS was the same for the first two months. He fed every 2 hours during the day and 3 - 4 hours at night. Now at 3 1/2 months he still only goes 3 hours max during the day. He does go longer at night with one big sleep then a 4 hour one.

Stick with it and avoid formula if you are wanting to breastfeed. :goodvibes:

Completely agree with Marie. If you are worried about your supply see a LC. Although at 4 weeks your supply is still being established.

Good luck.

[Lahri]

I didn't feel my little one was getting enough from my breast milk, so I tried formula, she still only went 3 hours which was the same when I bf, so I didn't find it made any difference.

She suffered really badly from Colic and I tried Infacol and Gripe Water, I now use Colief (don't think you can buy it here, has to be imported - buy online) and it has worked wonders. Each to their own but I wanted to stick with my breast milk as it has got to be better for her in the long run.

I have now introduced her to baby rice and she loves it to bits. Still only goes 3 hours so I think that is just her way, at night she goes 6-8 hours so I know she can. Sorry, not much help.

[~*clairesmum*~]

thanks

well its not supply issues etc... i went to a midwife that was also a LC, n she doesnt get y hes chucking up b/milk but not formula, ive brought SMA so i can comp feed him till i deside what to do...

He seems alot more calmer etc.. hes even laying on the play mat with out crying, he just had both breasts n then 65mls of a bottle...

Im going to the doc's tomorrow as well

[reAllytee]

Thank you reALLYtee :)

Where is that info from?



Also I dont get the impression from the OP that its oversupply that is the problem.

Straight from the ABA ;)

Ive done a lot of reading in regards to this, LI, CMPI, SPI due to my second little man who had major issues b/f so I wasnt giving up without a true fight.

[peanutbutter&jelly]

thanks

well its not supply issues etc... i went to a midwife that was also a LC, n she doesnt get y hes chucking up b/milk but not formula, ive brought SMA so i can comp feed him till i deside what to do...

He seems alot more calmer etc.. hes even laying on the play mat with out crying, he just had both breasts n then 65mls of a bottle...

Im going to the doc's tomorrow as well

Formula is heavier! See if you can get a referral to a paediatrician...