Please help replace red nose's for SID'S

[hoping4another]

Hi All,

First of i am 100% for that support SID'S does but the reason behind this post is to look at it from a different view.
My Mum lost my brother to SID'S when he was 5 weeks old and has never been able to bring herself to buying a red nose or anything from there range on red nose day.
I totally can't blame her.
You must be asking why because i did when she didn't buy anything.
But now i can understand why.
The pain that she carries inside over this red nose day came out.
What does a red nose mean to everyone what do we picture with red nose's.
My Mum see clown's and happiness, fun and children's laughter she stated to me what happy about finding your 5 week old son dead in his cot.
I am sure my mum is not the only one who feel's this way but we are hoping to do something about it to help with the pain my mum has carried around for so many year's so that she can finally support the day when it come's around every year
So all we are wanting is for SID'S to replace their nose with something more suitable.
Please ladies all i am asking is for 1 mintue of your time to try and make a different and to sign the following petition.

Please click on link below and sign.
Thank you all for your support.

Please Forward this petition onto everyone you know please help make a difference's

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/banrednoses/

In memory of my brother Adam Walter Watts:angel:..

Wendy

[veve]

Do you know why they chose a red nose in the first place?

I'm just curious tis all - what was it supposed to represent when they originally chose it as their symbol?

thanks
Jen

[RoarsomeMum]

Why a Red Nose?
In 1988, the Red Nose Day concept was adopted by SIDS and Kids organisations around Australia. Since then, people, cars, and buildings around the nation have joined in the fun. The red nose always brings a smile to people's faces. By wearing a red nose you can be silly for a great cause.

Reading that on the site made me really feel for your mum.. and my brother and sister inlaw.. I know its a great way to raise money.. but I can see why the symbol could hurt alot of grieving fams. :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs: to all of us effected by SIDS.

[hoping4another]

Hi,
I am not sure why they chose a red nose that i can't answer that.

I am not sure if they look at it from a view of a parent whom has lost a baby to SID'S i can't answer this.

I am just trying to help my mum heal and allow her to support the day.

Wendy

[veve]

Why a Red Nose?
In 1988, the Red Nose Day concept was adopted by SIDS and Kids organisations around Australia. Since then, people, cars, and buildings around the nation have joined in the fun. The red nose always brings a smile to people's faces. By wearing a red nose you can be silly for a great cause.

Reading that on the site made me really feel for your mum.. and my brother and sister inlaw.. I know its a great way to raise money.. but I can see why the symbol could hurt alot of grieving fams. :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs: to all of us effected by SIDS.
thanks Em ...

I guess thinking about it .. it is a rather 'perky' symbol for something that definitely isn't funny .. :(

:hugs:
xx
Jen

[hoping4another]

EcstaticEm- Thank you so much for your words..

Wendy

[*Cj*]

Hi, I was just reading the petition. If I was you I would go back and have a read of it again. Check for spelling. All so some of it could be word a little better. You make a lot of good points.


Please don't feel i'm having a go at you.

[hayleysmummy]

I also dont like the idea of the red nose

I have signed your petition :hugs: to you and your mum

A teddy bear would be much more appropriate I think

[WorkingClassMum]

Funnily enough my Nanna loves the red noses - but not for the clown aspect, but 'cos my Granddad had a red nose for weeks after they lost my uncle as a babe.

My Granddad would just cry in the shed by himself, but she knew he'd been crying 'cos he always had a red nose.

BTW - It took my Nanna 60 years to talk about her baby.

[HugsBunny]

I've signed it and also forwarded the link to my friends and family.

It never occurred to me just how insensitive the 'Red Nose' was. I wonder just how many families out there can't bring themselves to support the cause due to the symbol of the 'Red Nose'?? Maybe in changing the symbol, more people will buy the products and contribute, therefore raising more money for the cause and maybe, just maybe we'll find a way to prevent SIDS from affecting anymore families.

Now THAT would be a cause for a 'Red Nose' celebration.

[Mathermy]

I've signed it and also forwarded the link to my friends and family.

It never occurred to me just how insensitive the 'Red Nose' was. I wonder just how many families out there can't bring themselves to support the cause due to the symbol of the 'Red Nose'?? Maybe in changing the symbol, more people will buy the products and contribute, therefore raising more money for the cause and maybe, just maybe we'll find a way to prevent SIDS from affecting anymore families.

Now THAT would be a cause for a 'Red Nose' celebration.

On the other hand the red nose is a recognisable symbol, almost like a brand in itself now or an icon specifically related to sids. You may run the risk of losing funds because it will take a while for people to become familar with the new symbol-whatever that may be.

There are so many charities nowadays, you really need an effective, easily recogniseable symbol-just so your charity is noticed and thus supported. SIDS has taken some time to build the recogniseable "brand" they have today, it will take time to build another.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound insensitive. It's just that I buy red nose products every time I see them, the icon is really familiar and easily recogniseable. I buy it because as soon as i see it I know it is for SIDS. There are so many other little charity boxes with products about that I miss because they don't catch my attention or tug my heart strings as easily-I would just be worried that sids would lose money because people wouldn't recognise them :(

[HugsBunny]

On the other hand the red nose is a recognisable symbol, almost like a brand in itself now or an icon specifically related to sids. You may run the risk of losing funds because it will take a while for people to become familar with the new symbol-whatever that may be.

There are so many charities nowadays, you really need an effective, easily recogniseable symbol-just so your charity is noticed and thus supported. SIDS has taken some time to build the recogniseable "brand" they have today, it will take time to build another.

Yes this is true and I was thinking about it as I forwarded the email around. Someone else suggested a teddy bear, perhaps with a red shirt? Maybe it could be renamed 'Red Shirt Day' or something?

[Mathermy]

Yes this is true and I was thinking about it as I forwarded the email around. Someone else suggested a teddy bear, perhaps with a red shirt? Maybe it could be renamed 'Red Shirt Day' or something?

They do have other products available, for those not comfortable with the red nose.I have bought them for work a few years because I wasn't allowed to wear a nose. But it still refers to the nose:o

In 1989 two million face noses were sold at $1.50 each and a new button badge costing $2 was included with a picture of a chicken saying 'I'm too chicken to wear a red nose'. This price included a fine of 50 cents for not wearing a red nose!
The 'chicken' badge has changed each year to feature an animal with a catchy slogan. These badges have become a Red Nose Day collector's item, and are in great demand every year. Characters and slogans used to date include:
Chicken: "I'm too chicken to wear a red nose"
Bear: "I couldn't bear to wear a red nose"
Echidna: "Sometimes it's good to be nosy"
Possum: "I couldn't possumly wear a red nose"
Galah: "I'd rather be a galah than wear a red nose"
Diamond Python: "When a snake grows toes, I'll wear a red nose"
Platypus: "A red nose is fine but I'd much prefer mine"
Pig: "When pigs fly I'll wear a red nose"
Emu: "How emusing it would be to see a red nose on me"
Fish: "I wouldn't be caught wearing a red nose"
Kangaroo: "Hey Hey Hey it's red nose day"
Elephant: "Give me red toes, not a red nose"
Dog: "I wouldn't paws for a red nose"
Frog: "Wear a red nose? Froget it"
bear: "I can't 'bear' to wear a red nose
view badges (http://www.rednoseday.com.au/information/badge.html)

For 2005, SIDS and Kids introduced the Hero Bear as a character for the 2005 Red Nose Day campaign. In the past, they have used different animals and fun phrases to promote SIDS. These badges, depicting the characters, have now become a collectors' item

[HugsBunny]

My mum is one who always buys the badge rather than the actual nose itself - but I think the issue the OP's mum has is with the reference to the red nose rather than the plastic nose itself.

Hmmm, I don't know how it'll go about getting changed. I think the pens and badges have sort of taken the focus off the red nose itself but it's still there isn't it?

[Mathermy]

My mum is one who always buys the badge rather than the actual nose itself - but I think the issue the OP's mum has is with the reference to the red nose rather than the plastic nose itself.

Hmmm, I don't know how it'll go about getting changed. I think the pens and badges have sort of taken the focus off the red nose itself but it's still there isn't it?

Yeah I think that's sort of the point.Without the recogniseable symbol they would just be teddy bears ,pens, badges etc people wouldn't necessarily know they were for sids.:(

Just like the red cross is for red cross the red nose is sids "symbol"

Daniel morcombe foundation also uses red, shirts, ribbons etc:(

[veve]

Daniel morcombe foundation also uses red, shirts, ribbons etc:(

I was just thinking the same thing .. you couldn't really change it to anything else red as such .. because it IS closely linked to the Daniel foundation ...

[HugsBunny]

Daniel morcombe foundation also uses red, shirts, ribbons etc:(

I'm going to sound really uneducated here, but what's the Daniel Morcombe foundation?

[Mathermy]

http://www.danielmorcombe.com.au/

[grass is always greener]

Here is a link to the Daniel Morcombe foundation: http://www.danielmorcombe.com.au/

[veve]

I'm going to sound really uneducated here, but what's the Daniel Morcombe foundation?
its probably bigger in QLD than it is anywhere else :( very sad ...

its one of those cases - where you just want closure for the family :( . .. Daniel was a twin too .. which just breaks my heart even more :(

there are just waaaay too many freaks in the world ... its a damn scary place sometimes ...

x
Jen

[WorkingClassMum]

Daniel morcombe foundation also uses red, shirts, ribbons etc:(

That's because he was wearing a very distinctive red shirt when he disappeared.:(

I feel so sorry for the family - they've never had closure or a clue what happened.:(

[hoping4another]

All,
Thank you all who have support and understand the reason's behind this petition thank yuo to all who have signed it.
I was think last night in regards to this issue and was thinking what about using a Red heart instead..
What do you ladies think???

CJ- The petition was actually started by my sister so i can't change the wording or spelling i am sure people will understand what my sister is getting across and see and understand the reason of the petition and not the spelling etc...

I am sure if the red nose was replaced and the new idea was market enough people would still support SID'S..

Wendy

[Jakois]

There would be many issues with changing the whole outlay of Red Nose Day.
The cost of advertising to educate the public on any change of symbol would take away from the Charities Profit.
Then the possibility of having donations slow whilst people adapt to a new symbol would also mean less money going to SIDS research.
Have you contacted the Red Nose Foundation to ask if they would be interested in adding a teddy or something similar(minus the red nose) to their line of products?
Ultimately, they have marketed it the best possible way they could see, to get as many people as possible to donate to SIDS research.

[mumma2harry]

I kind of take offence to this thread. My son dies from SIDS when he was 8 months old. And yes OP like your mother i walked in and found my son dead. I have no offence to the red nose i like the fact it is something a little bit cheeful and positive because i for one do not always want to dwell on being sad. It is also good for my daughter because we have one on our car and she sees it as fun and collects them all knowing the money goes towards helping other kids like her brother. There are barely any red noses around anymore they are now more pens and teddy's and lip gloss and a lot of other products.
SIDS have helped me more than i can express and i rely on them still. Why not spend your time and energy into raising funds your own way than taking the time to petition something that like others said has become an icon.

[Ky]

mumma2harry ... I am so sorry that you and your DD have had to go through the loss of your son. This thread was not opened to cause afront to you - it was opened in respect for an elder member of our community who is grieving and finding the red nose upsetting. It was posted in the "getting support from other users" forum for a reason ...

Opinions are welcome, judgement is not ...

Grief causes us to react to many different triggers and as most of us would know, it is not the same for any of us. Myself, I have a longing for a bottle of the pink hand sanitiser that I had to use every time I entered the PICU but can't stand to see pale pink dummies in someone elses childs mouth as the one we have at home is the only item we have that Ruby touched, so it is extra special.

I can understand the pain that red nose day causes for Wendy's Mum. I can also understand that it has become a symbol of hope that SIDs can be researched and prevented as much as physically possible, therefore sparing many of the pain we know.

Unfortunately, a well established brand in a market flooded with fantastic causes all vying for our charity dollars is very unlikely to be changed. I liken it to wanting Mothers Day to be cancelled when my Mum died ... I just had to grin and bear it :gloomy:

Wendy ... thankyou for loving and caring for your Mum so much that you have organised this petition. I cannot sign, as a change would probably push Sids and Kids into a place of obscurity which it has fought so hard to rise above. I admire them for their prevention work, research and counselling services - they are such a needed organisation, sadly.

Sending your Mum lots of hugs and wishes for gentle days from one grieving Mum to another ... :hugs:

[mumma2harry]

I am sorry i was upset when i posted my reply. I just find a petition is an awful way to go about it. SIDS and Kids are a very reponsive support network and i am wondering if they have actually called SIDS and Kids and asked them before petitioning it??

There is actually a range of singlets that say "this way up while sleeping" and a few other items that can be purchased to support the charity that have no reflection of a red nose.

I'm sorry but i do find the wording of the petition as harsh. Also it is possible to donate funds (as i do when i have spare money) in your child's name, which is published in the magazine but it seem people have to get something for their money.

Ky i am very sorry for your loss and i join you in the grieving process. :hugs:

[RedPanda]

Deepest sympathies to your mother OP. The pain of losing a child never really goes away :hugs:

Coming at it from a different angle, a red nose represents childlike innocence and is a simple symbol that is recognisable and very well known as a brand. My niece was stillborn (a few years ago), and Sids was invaluable to my sister. She's now heavily involved in Sids, and she quite likes the Hero bears, and the noses, and the other simple, childlike things. I too have difficulty signing the petition, as so many volunteers (including my sister) pour their hearts and souls into Sids, and when dealing with grief, I think it's near on impossible to say and do the right thing ALL the time.

I can see how the perkiness of a red nose may be offensive to some, but I think when you've lost a child, reminders are everywhere. Images of pregnant women, commercials featuring babies, stupid television shows with insensitive and flippant miscarriage storylines, our culture's inadequacy with dealing with death, particularly the death of children.... these things are all reminders that, to me, seem far more poignant and potentially offensive to grieving mothers.

:hugs: Good luck with your petition. I love that you are doing something to help grieving parents. Their pain is so permanent, and I think people often forget that it doesn't end a few months after the child is gone, or even a few years.

ETA: Mumma2Harry: I am so sorry for your loss. Like you, my sister collects the toys and badges for her son. He has them on a shelf as a reminder of his sister, who he will never know. It's so sad, but lovely that he can have something to look at and touch, as he'll never have her :(

[our little treasures]

Yes this is true and I was thinking about it as I forwarded the email around. Someone else suggested a teddy bear, perhaps with a red shirt? Maybe it could be renamed 'Red Shirt Day' or something?


All,
Thank you all who have support and understand the reason's behind this petition thank yuo to all who have signed it.
I was think last night in regards to this issue and was thinking what about using a Red heart instead..



What do you ladies think???
Well there already is the Heart foundation and also Big W Big Heart as well. Represented by a red heart.


I have to agree with Hazelw. There was a Teddy Bear but it did have a red nose. What would they call the charity.

Red Nose Day is well known and I always buy the red noses. I buy them for the children every year and hopefully would continue to do so.

For some reason Red Nose Day and Daffodil day have been my main charities.

I would hate to think of the cost associated with changing the name and marketing the charity to get the SAME recognition the red noses gave. I just think that they do such a wonderful job and I don't think they would have the resources to change it now.

Good luck though

[jaydensmum]

I can see how the perkiness of a red nose may be offensive to some, but I think when you've lost a child, reminders are everywhere. Images of pregnant women, commercials featuring babies, stupid television shows with insensitive and flippant miscarriage storylines, our culture's inadequacy with dealing with death, particularly the death of children.... these things are all reminders that, to me, seem far more poignant and potentially offensive to grieving mothers.


I tend to agree with this statement. When you lose a baby its constantly thrown at you everywhere you go. :yes:Its definetly hard to face but unfortunately theres not much that can be done about it.
I think its great that you are so understanding and caring towards your mothers grief and sadness. :yes:I cant sign it either as i feel that changing its icon would put a backward step towards the charity that needs so much help. Every year i support SIDS esp since losing Oceana. I prefer buying the hero bears than the red nose but they do have a lot of little merchandise other than the nose.
Sorry to hear of your mothers loss, its such a terrible loss to endure! :hugs:You are a great daughter to her for being so caring.