that poor boy...

[MissSookyLaLa]

so our son isnt circed and now never will be...

i was in westmead hospital ER with my son on Friday as he has bad croup and asthma....

the boy in the bed next to us, probbaly only 5 days old, was there because he had excessive bleeding from a botched circumcision...

poor little boy...had to go into surgery to have it fixed up...had to wait in the ER for 5 hours or so before this happened, and couldnt eat because they were giving him anasthetic, so he was hungry and tired and distressed...

so no...i'll never circ any of my sons...

[NibbleCurlynBub]

It is really awful whenever any kind of surgery goes wrong.

Poor bub.

[cinnamonbear]

im not pro or anti circumcision

but like NibbleCurlynBun said it is horrible when any surgical procedure goes wrong

poor little guy:(

[miloand4]

this is what happened to my oldest son wich is why I am soooo against it now!! People have all these reasons tyo do it but noone evr stops and thinks what if my son is the one in however many it goes wrong for Could I lve with myself well I can tell you the guilt stays Forever he is 15 now and I still cry about it and feel bad for doing it to him

[sunnyflower]

poor little boy.

i hope he gets better soon.

[MissSookyLaLa]

It is really awful whenever any kind of surgery goes wrong.

Poor bub.

and worse when that surgery wasunnecessary

[Bunnyhugs]

and worse when that surgery wasunnecessary

Did it occur to you that perhaps the circ was medically necessary?

[MotherNurture]

Did it occur to you that perhaps the circ was medically necessary?

Circumcision of a newborn is not medically indicated unless there were a severe birth defect or something. I've actually read that the only medical indications are cancer, frostbite, and gangrene; other conditions can virtually always be treated or cured much more more ethically and less invasively.

[bronny-jane]

wow.. how guilty would you feel.. but poor baby.. what a welcome to the world:(

[FishFace]

this is what happened to my oldest son wich is why I am soooo against it now!! People have all these reasons tyo do it but noone evr stops and thinks what if my son is the one in however many it goes wrong for Could I lve with myself well I can tell you the guilt stays Forever he is 15 now and I still cry about it and feel bad for doing it to him


seems some didnt read your post hun.
Sensitivity woudl be good here.

Dont feel bad honey. At least you know. You cant take back what is done and we all learn from mistakes.

[Blueberry Crumble]

Did it occur to you that perhaps the circ was medically necessary?

I highly doubt it...

[girly]

Did it occur to you that perhaps the circ was medically necessary?

I agree, the parents chose to have him done so they obviously see it as necessary.

I'm still getting my future son/s circ.

[maisymum]

Im sure the poor parents thought they were doing the right thing at the time, it's not nice when any child is distressed in pain......:hugs::hugs:

[Bunnyhugs]

I highly doubt it...


At 5 days?

You highly doubt that at 5 days a problem could have been observed and tried to be corrected? Wow, sorry doctors. Carry on with the judgements.

[Chub Chub]

Tasma....there is a PRO circ area here on Bub Hub. Just a tip.:cool: (no pun intended).

[Phyllis Stein]

and worse when that surgery wasunnecessary

I agree. Poor boy. :( :( :(

[NibbleCurlynBub]

Circumcision of a newborn is not medically indicated unless there were a severe birth defect or something. I've actually read that the only medical indications are cancer, frostbite, and gangrene; other conditions can virtually always be treated or cured much more more ethically and less invasively.
But we don't know that.

None of us here should make the call whether it was or was not necessary. :no:

ETA: and Shiraa.. Just because the parents wanted to does not make it medically necessary. Medically necessary goes beyond 'wants'.

[Bunnyhugs]

Tasma....there is a PRO circ area here on Bub Hub. Just a tip.:cool: (no pun intended).

Thanks for the 'tip'. I know about the different areas. I also agree that they are warranted, however I can't abide judgements when facts aren't known.

[Chub Chub]

Thanks for the 'tip'. I know about the different areas. I also agree that they are warranted, however I can't abide judgements when facts aren't known.

Just noted you have made some "pro" comments in several anti-circ threads tonight. That is all.;)

[pinkgingham]

wow, thats really sad. makes me glad i didnt even think about having it done. i could never do that to my child and would feel nothing but guilt the rest of my life if that surgery went wrong as seen in the instance in the OP

[Bunnyhugs]

Just noted you have made some "pro" comments in several anti-circ threads tonight. That is all.;)

Yeah, I'm not 'pro' or 'anti' but I can't stand the nastiness and sarcasm about the whole issue.

[Milliner]

OH, Tasma. There are a LOT of so called 'facts' quoted in the 'pro' section that are clearly wrong - a quick google would tell you that. BUT, if we were to go in there and question them, all hell would break loose, infractions would be handed out. It would seem it's ok to come in here and question the Anti circ posts. I think a bit more time around here and you will understand.

[Bunnyhugs]

OH, Tasma. There are a LOT of so called 'facts' quoted in the 'pro' section that are clearly wrong - a quick google would tell you that. BUT, if we were to go in there and question them, all hell would break loose, infractions would be handed out. It would seem it's ok to come in here and question the Anti circ posts. I think a bit more time around here and you will understand.

Lol trust me Milliner, I know all about it. I've actually been a member for quite a while but have been 'stalked' online so have chosen to 'hide'.

The facts I'm talking about in this instance is that we don't know why this boy was circ'ed and I think it's unjust to automatically assume that it was unnecessary.

[Issey]

Did it occur to you that perhaps the circ was medically necessary?

at five days old obviously it wouldn't be.

that poor baby

[OJandMe]

Poor little guy. :crying:

[Bunnyhugs]

at five days old obviously it wouldn't be.

that poor baby

Babies have had heart surgery at the same age because it was warranted. All I'm saying is that in this instance we don't know the facts as it wasn't our child.

[NibbleCurlynBub]

Babies have had heart surgery at the same age because it was warranted. All I'm saying is that in this instance we don't know the facts as it wasn't our child.
Exactly what I tried to say just before, but it has been totally ignored. :rolleyes:

STOP before you decide you know why that baby was there.

[Chub Chub]

Babies have had heart surgery at the same age because it was warranted. All I'm saying is that in this instance we don't know the facts as it wasn't our child.

Ok the baby had a circ, whether routine or not. For what reason we don't know. But was in hospital from bleeding. Not good regardless of whether it was routine or serious medical.

Still poor baby boy.:hugs:

[sunnyflower]

Yeah lets all stop judging a mother and baby we have never even met....

[Bunnyhugs]

Ok the baby had a circ, whether routine or not. For what reason we don't know. But was in hospital from bleeding. Not good regardless of whether it was routine or serious medical.

Still poor baby boy.:hugs:

Totally agreed, that poor boy no matter the reasons - so why the judgements?

[fox_girl]

A few have said at 5 days old it would be unnecessary to circ a baby boy. My cousin had to be circ when first born as he had a lot of extra skin there and he ended up with a bad infection and had to get it done.

But doesnt mean this was the case in this situation? Who would've done it to have botched it for this poor baby??

[Chub Chub]

totally agreed, that poor boy no matter the reasons - so why the judgements?

me??!!!???

[Bunnyhugs]

me??!!!???

Huh?? No Hun, not you specifically, I was talking about the thread in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding :)

[Mathermy]

Yeah lets all stop judging a mother and baby we have never even met....
Goodness no! If we did that we might have to shut down the whole hub, what would we have to talk about?:p (just jokes;))

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

It is highly likely that it was RIC. If people saw one gone wrong they may change their minds about ever having it done. Awful stuff- poor little boy!

[NibbleCurlynBub]

It is very likely, though we can't be certain.

Though if it is truly the result of a choice the parents have made, they are probably guilt-tripping themselves enough without everybody else looking down their noses at them too.

They are both probably remorseful and miserable enough already.

[Phyllis Stein]

I don't get this - no one is making a hard and fast judgement at all. :confused: Most are basing their presumptions on statistical likelihoods, but all anti-circers allow that there are rare cases of medical necessity. But circ is more often than not performed as a preventative measure, which anti-circers argue is unnecessary, ineffective and carries real medical risks.

If this was unnecessary surgery, it's an absolute travesty that this child has been put through it for nothing.

[sunnyflower]

I just think it's a bit stupid to pontificate about whether the procedure was routine or necessary when we don't even know these people.

Anyway................

[NibbleCurlynBub]

I don't get this - no one is making a hard and fast judgement at all. :confused: Most are basing their presumptions on statistical likelihoods, but all anti-circers allow that there are rare cases of medical necessity. But circ is more often than not performed as a preventative measure, which anti-circers argue is unnecessary, ineffective and carries real medical risks.

If this was unnecessary surgery, it's an absolute travesty that this child has been put through it for nothing.
Yeah, IF.

and IF they just so happen to be in the minority of people who needed to have that done to their little boy for some reason then all this discussion is for nothing.

I don't care whether they had to or wanted to.

They will be suffering amazingly either way and to speculate is just pointless.

Anybody care to find the poor woman and ask her, so we can argue properly about it?

[sunnyflower]

:iagree:

[Phyllis Stein]

That's ridiculous. We all comment on anecdotes we have incomplete knowledge of, which is why we qualify our statements with 'if'. In this case, it's just an anecdote, with little accompanying detail that might influence my views either way, so I rely on the statistical likelihood until I hear info to the contrary.

The baby in question represents to me all the babies who have suffered at the expense of an overperformed, mostly unnecessary medical procedure. I'm commenting more on the general issue, not on the specific case (while feeling sympathy for the baby either way).

[NibbleCurlynBub]

Um okay.

The baby doesn't represent anything to me. It is a baby, who is suffering regardless of cause.

I doubt its supposed to influence anybodies decision, since we know so little.

[bronny-jane]

You highly doubt that at 5 days a problem could have been observed and tried to be corrected? Wow, sorry doctors. Carry on with the judgements.

i sure will keep judging :yes:

[Fuchsia!]

If this was unnecessary surgery, it's an absolute travesty that this child has been put through it for nothing.
:yes: Poor poor little baby. Reconfirms why i would never do it.

I hope the babies penis can be reconstructed and heal and there are no repurcussions for the little guy.

How very very sad:crying:

[serendipity22]

:yes: Poor poor little baby. Reconfirms why i would never do it.

I hope the babies penis can be reconstructed and heal and there are no repurcussions for the little guy.

How very very sad:crying:

There are repurcussions for every circ.

The 5 most sensitive parts of the penis are gone forever.