View Full Version : Would non vaxxers prefer a world of no vaxing?
susmamma
11-10-2008, 11:00
Just wondering if the non vaxers out there, in their ideal world would prefer all children not to be vaccinated (for this discussion feel free to ascociate with an Australian/First World audience only or to include it to third world countries also, specifically those that suffer with issues like polio etc).
We personally delayed vaccinations while we pondered our position on them. Initially we were anti vaccination but later changed our minds (risk v's guilt if something were to happen etc).
So in your perfect world, as a non vaxer, would you prefer to see all children not vaxed ie, there are no threats of disease just percieved threats, and therefore vaxing is totally unnecessary for all? Or do you see it as a herd effect where parents who do vax their children stop epidemics and therefore protect your non vaxed children?
La Que Sabe
11-10-2008, 12:14
yes, in my perfect world, no body would be vaxxed.
they would believe/trust in their bodies for making the natural antibodies and building up their immune systems to fight all the diseases. of course, for this to work, there would need to be alot less junk food and preservatives and colors etc in foods.
missie_mack
11-10-2008, 12:26
I am not entirely against vaxxing even though we aren't planning on vaxxing in the foreseeable future. I think it should be optional but not entirely stopped. Everybody should have access to the medicines that apply however I do wish that people were far better educated or informed about them...
A little off topic but as an example they are looking at giving flu shots at work next year. Staff have asked for it... and why?? Because too many people got the 'flu this year but yet despite having a massive staffing base we only had maybe 5 dcotors verified cases of influenza. Considering influenza requires bed rest for 5 days and any leave in excess of a day requires certification I would say that it's not worth it. When I questioned the processing so many people felt they had had less 'flu's (or really colds) since getting shots EVEN THOUGH the paperwork clearly states it doesn't prevent colds and simply builds immunity to a few strains of influenza :rolleyes: So while I personally don't care if people get the shot I would hope they are informed about their decision and in this case are aware it won't stop or minimise their risks of getting a cold and just minimises the effect if they actually catch the influenza strains being immunised against
La Que Sabe
11-10-2008, 12:28
PP, i know what you're saying. and after looking at figures i actually believe the vaccines didn't help with some diseases. first one that comes to mind, small pox. when the vaccination was introduced, as the vaccination rate went up the death rate of small pox also went up, if that makes sense?
but also, [and this may sound weird to some] i believe that for example if my daughter caught some disease and died from it, it was what she came down to earth from the spirit world to experience. it's like distubring nature, as much of an animal saver sort of personi am, if i saw a fly in a spiders web i wouldn't save it because it's intefeering with nature.
does that all make sense?
missie_mack
11-10-2008, 12:44
Can I add another question? Wouldn't the past with deseases proof that our bodies can't be relied on to fight of certain life threatening deseases? Ones that killed mass amounts back in the day?
I think it would depend on the virus. Each works differently. Some in our current climate with changes in the way we do things would be minimal anyhow however indeed some could raise their ugly heads again.
Even looking at the common cold. It killed many many indigenous person when it was introdcued to them on the arrival of the english despite having little effect of the english themselves. The natives hadn't come in contact with it before and hence had no natural immunity to fight against it where as the english had natural immunity. There is a chain of thought about virus' that are now considered wiped out could reoccur and we would be far worse off as we haven't had the opprortunity to build any level of immunity hence it could cause far worse effects than it the last time it was considered a plague or problem. An example would be smallpox. There is no vaccine approved for use in Australia and hasn't been for 20 years as there hasn't been a reportable case known in the world for over 30..
I agree Missie Mack....basically it is not all black and white...there are so many contributing factors.
I dont necessarily think we should have no vaccines...I think the way they are put across to the public hould definately change though:)
JimJamsMum
11-10-2008, 13:19
I am not entirely against vaxxing even though we aren't planning on vaxxing in the foreseeable future. I think it should be optional but not entirely stopped.
They are optional now. That's why people in Australia have kids that aren't vaxxed
I've worked in third world countries and seen the devastation many of the easily vaccinated diseases can cause in communities where they can't afford vaccinations.
I would never wish that on anyone.
Imagine watching your child dying from something that you KNOW is preventable. it's devastating. [text removed by moderator]
A world without vaccinations is really truly terrifying.
Fuchsia!
11-10-2008, 16:16
I agree Missie Mack....basically it is not all black and white...there are so many contributing factors.
I dont necessarily think we should have no vaccines...I think the way they are put across to the public hould definately change though:)
Yeah i agree.
I would love the world to have no diseases at all :D But i think im in la la land for that one!!
Im not against vaccines. Im against giving it to young babies and children. I would like adults to take on the responsibilty of protecting our young ones on making sure we are all up to date with our boosters and what not (of course optional)
In 3rd world countries? Well thats a whole different issue. Its also the conditions they live in that make the risk of catching a disease higher and spread more. In Australia we are very fortunate.
Imagine watching your child dying from something that you KNOW is preventable. it's devastating.
It does sound awful, i also think it would be devastating to see my child with brain damage or die from a vaccine that i had approved to be injected. Also vaccines are not garunteed to "prevent" diseases either.
No, I wouldn't prefer a world of no vaxing.
I fully support vaccination programs being conducted in Third World countries and have made a few donations to this cause over the years. That may surprise a few people, but my non-vaxing stance is specifically against routine vaccination of healthy babies in our country, not against vaccines in general.
I would prefer that the schedule was staggered a bit and some of the shots reviewed i.e. take the rubella shot back to being given to girls when they start high school.
The only vaccination that I will categorically state I am opposed to is the newborn Hep B shot. I don't believe anybody should agree to this shot for their child. Otherwise, I think everyone should just do what they think is best.
Its a risk vs benefits equation for us, so its got stuff all to do with what is happening in Third World countries unless you live in a Third World country, and last time I looked, we don't.
stellarella
11-10-2008, 18:52
In my perfect world ebvery single human being would have access to education, quality food, clean water and medical/wholistic care. Every human would be equal.
In my perfect world vaccination would be available to every human free of charge IF THEY WANT IT. We would be truthful about vaccination, there would be no scare tactics, bribes or lies (unlike our current situation) and those wo declined it would be truly respected...not just respected on paper ;)
Also in my perfect world we would acknowledge the true risks of vaccinating and there would be adequate compensation and responsibilty taken for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines :yes:
Parents should have the right to choose and have thier decision supported.
ETA: Oh and just because I support choice does not mean I believe in herd protection. I do not believe in herd immunity (anymore) but I do want parents to have the choice if it gives them peace of mind.
neostudded
12-10-2008, 12:06
:iagree: I agree with Stellarella :yes:
Lillynix
13-10-2008, 09:40
I'm with Stellarela.
I'm not against vaccines, so therefore I don't feel the need for a vaccine free world, but I am against the lies, misinformation and lack of information surrounding vaccines.
Unfortunatey we dont live in a perfect world....so IMO we have to immunise our kids.
I agree that we are propbably going a bit mad with the vaxxing eg flu etc. In the case of a flu I think we need to allow our bodies to build its own resistance to some of the viruses. If contracting the flu is life threatening as it is for the very ill or the elderly than its warranted. Rubella should be done at the same time the cervical cancer needle is now done.
However, vaccinating for measles, polio, small pox etc is vitally important.
I think our generation are very lucky in that we havent seen how devastating these diseases can be - they can literally cripple and kill entire communities.....my grandmother can still remember when there was a polio outbreak in her hometown. The parents kept their kids home from school, nobody went out...the whole community shut down for months as the disease was so contagious. The hospitals were full of kids with polio...some made it out(usually with some sort of permanent disability) and of course there were the ones that died.
And smallpox.....:no:google smallpox if you have the stomach for it, its absolutely horrible.
The unfortunate thing is that some of these diseases are supposed to have been wiped out, however there are still cases in the 3rd world popping up. All it takes is for someone who isnt vaxxed and has been in contact with the disease to enter our country and then have contact with another not vaxxed person.....and the more people who are not vaccinated the easier the disease will take hold and mutate.
Its just soo easy to prevent......
I've worked in third world countries and seen the devastation many of the easily vaccinated diseases can cause in communities where they can't afford vaccinations.
I would never wish that on anyone.
Imagine watching your child dying from something that you KNOW is preventable. it's devastating. [text removed by moderator]
A world without vaccinations is really truly terrifying.
:iagree:I couldn't have said better myself, I am aboriginal and my husband is Malay, and both of us have seen here and overseas the consequences of not vaccinating, my daughter being one of them, we are both very pro vax as a result of nearly losing our beloved DD.
missie_mack
17-10-2008, 18:17
However, vaccinating for measles, polio, small pox etc is vitally important.
I think our generation are very lucky in that we havent seen how devastating these diseases can be - they can literally cripple and kill entire communities.....my grandmother can still remember when there was a polio outbreak in her hometown. The parents kept their kids home from school, nobody went out...the whole community shut down for months as the disease was so contagious. The hospitals were full of kids with polio...some made it out(usually with some sort of permanent disability) and of course there were the ones that died.
Polio was so contagious :confused: How so. It's not like you can catch it from someone sneezing near you like with measles :no: Don't get me wrong I know the implications of polio I had a Uncle who was crippled from it for life its just that this theory has been passed around that it is really easy to catch and it just isn't true.
Good hygiene and clean water prevents the likeliness of ever catching it as the virus lives in the bowel and the main method of catching it is orally. So you have to ingest contaminated poo. I dunno about anyone else but I would think ingesting poo (or as was the case often water contaminated with poo) wouldn't happen that frequently (lets hope :eek:) so it really isn't super contagious it is just a story started because the normal person had no idea of the virus passed around. This is why there were so many public campaigns about washing hands particularly in childrens environments like school.
Polio was so contagious :confused: How so. It's not like you can catch it from someone sneezing near you like with measles :no: Don't get me wrong I know the implications of polio I had a Uncle who was crippled from it for life its just that this theory has been passed around that it is really easy to catch and it just isn't true.
Good hygiene and clean water prevents the likeliness of ever catching it as the virus lives in the bowel and the main method of catching it is orally. So you have to ingest contaminated poo. I dunno about anyone else but I would think ingesting poo (or as was the case often water contaminated with poo) wouldn't happen that frequently (lets hope :eek:) so it really isn't super contagious it is just a story started because the normal person had no idea of the virus passed around. This is why there were so many public campaigns about washing hands particularly in childrens environments like school.
But not everyone has great personal hygiene, especially school aged children. Therefore in a school environment, it would have been highly contagious..
In a perfect ideal world there would be no need for vaxing as there would be no diseases, there would be no need for premie sive ventalators as there would be no premie or sick neos, there would be no need for feeding tubes, IV pumps cpap antibiotics hospitals etc, But in fact the world aint perfect so there needs to be some degree of medical intervention
I would think that in a world with NO vaxing at all that some of the diseases that we vax against would be rampent as they where before the vaxig came about, But in saying that Im by no means saying that people that dont vax are bad or wrong as i think that there needs to be a good mix
NibbleCurlynBub
17-10-2008, 18:36
I don't think non-vaxxers really care what the rest of the world is doing. :p
Anyway, it is an individual choice.
But not everyone has great personal hygiene, especially school aged children. Therefore in a school environment, it would have been highly contagious..
Anyone with school aged kids would know how true this is, last yr in my daughter's class 28 out of 30 kids got chicken pox, some of the things that kids get up to at school, personal hygiene goes out the window.
Anyone with school aged kids would know how true this is, last yr in my daughter's class 28 out of 30 kids got chicken pox, some of the things that kids get up to at school, personal hygiene goes out the window.
Oh, I hear you;).
i think that there needs to be a good mix
:iagree:
individualised schedule for each child based on their risk.
Jakois: I see your point, and that's fine. But why vaccinate babies? they don't go to school and even toddlers are in a much more controlled environment at daycare, IF they go to daycare.
Vaccinate the school kids against polio, not the babies.
missie_mack
17-10-2008, 20:30
But not everyone has great personal hygiene, especially school aged children. Therefore in a school environment, it would have been highly contagious..
Anyone with school aged kids would know how true this is, last yr in my daughter's class 28 out of 30 kids got chicken pox, some of the things that kids get up to at school, personal hygiene goes out the window.
Um ok... I don't think my son is at huge risk of eating other childrens poo but if you believe your kids are... well you know them best.... but then I think based on your beliefs in vaccination you should be investigating other virus' that can be transmitted through bodily fluids particularly waste products that can be vaccinated for but don't appear on the free schedule..
Um ok... I don't think my son is at huge risk of eating other childrens poo but if you believe your kids are... well you know them best.... but then I think based on your beliefs in vaccination you should be investigating other virus' that can be transmitted through bodily fluids particularly waste products that can be vaccinated for but don't appear on the free schedule..
bwahh thanks for that, I just neally spat my coffee on my keyboard whilst reading your post, Thanks for the laugh Re the eating peoples poo
mum_I'm_hungry
17-10-2008, 20:45
I dunno about anyone else but I would think ingesting poo (or as was the case often water contaminated with poo) wouldn't happen that frequently (lets hope :eek:) so it really isn't super contagious it is just a story started because the normal person had no idea of the virus passed around.
It seems unlikely, but didn't Sydney have a big giardiasis outbreak a few years ago?
JabberJaw
17-10-2008, 20:47
Um ok... I don't think my son is at huge risk of eating other childrens poo but if you believe your kids are... well you know them best.... but then I think based on your beliefs in vaccination you should be investigating other virus' that can be transmitted through bodily fluids particularly waste products that can be vaccinated for but don't appear on the free schedule..
No but yr kids mate could get poo on his hands when he goes to the toilet them wipe his poo covered hand on yr son when he touches him.....My son got hand, foot and mouth which is passed through poo and he certainly wasnt intentionally playing with his friends poo eitther.
missie_mack
17-10-2008, 21:19
It seems unlikely, but didn't Sydney have a big giardiasis outbreak a few years ago?
I would hope that giardia wasn't put in the water directly from humans :eek: I don't believe polio is a zoonotic (transmits between humans and animals naturally an example would be mad cows disease) virus' unlike giardia which is commonly carried in deer, horses, dog and cats all of which would frequent the water reservoirs affected in Sydney during this time...
My son got hand, foot and mouth which is passed through poo and he certainly wasnt intentionally playing with his friends poo eitther.
This isn't exclusively transmitted via faecal oral contact. You can catch this one from sneezing or coughing too (which then shouldn't suprise anyone that so many little ones pass it around childcare centres considering the amount of mucus that leaks from kids noses at certain times of year)
NibbleCurlynBub
17-10-2008, 21:24
I'll just add in.. That I would rather a world of free-thinkers. Where everybody makes the CHOICE to or not to vax and the information about vaxx's (not the biased stuff) was readily available!
An example would be smallpox. There is no vaccine approved for use in Australia and hasn't been for 20 years as there hasn't been a reportable case known in the world for over 30..
I don't know about now but people there was an approved vaccine for small pox in Australia. I was given it in 1977. (We were going overseas.) I'm guessing that people are no longer routinely immunised for smallpox as WHO declared it officially eradicated in 1979.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/smallpox/en/
mum_I'm_hungry
17-10-2008, 21:38
I would hope that giardia wasn't put in the water directly from humans :eek:
I didn't really think so, but just had a look around and it looks like no-one really knows. From what I read, they suspected run-off from dams, but a couple places also mentioned Sydney's pipeline system hadn't been ruled out as a source.
Eeewww :barf:
Working at a school, you'd be surprised at what children ingest.
Poo can be ingested with ease.
Susie goes to the toilet and does a number two, doesn't wash her hands properly. Goes back to class and borrow's Timmy's pencil. Timmy chews his pencil and now Timmy has eaten poo.
(I often use this example when I ask the kids not to pick their nose)
OR Timmy doesn't chew his pencil, but later goes on to eat his sandwich...
Susie has a few chippies from her lunch then Ellie puts her hand in and get some out too...
Mmm the poo talk.
You could eat poo simply from touching a stair rail and then eating your lunch. Ew. I think i'm coming close to losing my lunch now.
mum_I'm_hungry
17-10-2008, 21:43
individualised schedule for each child based on their risk.
This is exactly why we vaccinate to the hilt. The diseases my husband comes into contact with at work make my head spin. Not to mention he's had one needle-stick injury this year, been cut with a scalpel and a child cut him today with an IV bag. My kids have got to be at a much higher risk :(
Working at a school, you'd be surprised at what children ingest.
Poo can be ingested with ease.
Susie goes to the toilet and does a number two, doesn't wash her hands properly. Goes back to class and borrow's Timmy's pencil. Timmy chews his pencil and now Timmy has eaten poo.
(I often use this example when I ask the kids not to pick their nose)
OR Timmy doesn't chew his pencil, but later goes on to eat his sandwich...
Susie has a few chippies from her lunch then Ellie puts her hand in and get some out too...
Mmm the poo talk.
You could eat poo simply from touching a stair rail and then eating your lunch. Ew. I think i'm coming close to losing my lunch now.
Spoken just like a school teacher, good example guess we dont think of it that way, Everyone in your house that goes to the toilet washes there hands and then alchol jels them berore touching anything, Come to think of iot everyone that eneters our house alchol jels there hands, maybe they need that at the teachers desk for after kids use the toilet
:laughing: I'd support that! :eek:
missie_mack
17-10-2008, 22:03
Oh yes DH has that in his classrooms :yes: (probably because he makes his own :p) luckily to date he hasn't had any decliners.
We also have to wash our hands when we drop kids off at childcare/preschool and pick them up (with the kid of course).
And I get one everyone is saying but that goes back to the good hygiene practices I mentioned at first. If you practice good hygiene it isn't such a issue... and its not like I am saying don't vax for it if you want to I am saying its not as super easily contracted as people use to believe and there wasn't really a need for people to stay at home to avoid it. Infact they probably caught it in their homes considering the toilet systems and the use of cloth nappies without treated town mains water at the time when it was heavily prevalent. For the most if you have good hygiene practices and eat in establishments with the same and use sewage system toilets your chances of catching polio is minimal.
But hey don't stop vaxxing for it if you feel it is the right thing for you and yours just educate yourself!
nugglyboysmum
17-10-2008, 22:06
but if everyone always alcohol gels their hands, wouldn't that mean we would never be ablet o build up immunity to virus' and diseases? Though i completely understand why you guys do it for Miki's sake.
Thankyou to all who have contributed to the thread, i have learnt a few things. I am a vaxer, went with the schedule, however i have always wondering whether i am doing the right thing. After a lot of research, i came to the decision that vaxxing was best for my DS, but i do regret giving him the Hep B at birth, i think its ridiculous, but when my DS was 2 days old and i was still in shock at the whole birth and newborn thing, i didn't think, i just went with it.
susmamma
18-10-2008, 07:42
This is exactly why we vaccinate to the hilt. The diseases my husband comes into contact with at work make my head spin. Not to mention he's had one needle-stick injury this year, been cut with a scalpel and a child cut him today with an IV bag. My kids have got to be at a much higher risk :(
Ah found you!
So this is the thread of which you speak! :p:o:D
Um ok... I don't think my son is at huge risk of eating other childrens poo but if you believe your kids are... well you know them best.... but then I think based on your beliefs in vaccination you should be investigating other virus' that can be transmitted through bodily fluids particularly waste products that can be vaccinated for but don't appear on the free schedule..
lol, oh dear. True though.
Don't forget, it has to be diseased sh!t as well, not just any old everyday kinda poop.
eww.
:laughing:............:eek:...............:barf:
Um ok... I don't think my son is at huge risk of eating other childrens poo but if you believe your kids are... well you know them best.... but then I think based on your beliefs in vaccination you should be investigating other virus' that can be transmitted through bodily fluids particularly waste products that can be vaccinated for but don't appear on the free schedule..
missie_mack, could I just ask you.. Do you have any children currently at a primary/secondary school, if not ,then when the time comes for your child/children to go to school then you will be able to experience some of the joys/disasters that us mums who do have kids at school currently endure, you cannot be at school with them, so therefore what happens to them is somewhat out of our control iykwim.. and especially if you have a son, they get up to some rather tricky situations, for eg.. my 12 yr son has had glass injuries,fallen off bikes/cliffs, had stiches in just about every part of his body.. oh yeah and as gross as this may be boys play in the toilets at school and sometimes things get out of control and substances get touched in the process;), so subsequently they need to be protected from some germs.
missie_mack
18-10-2008, 11:55
No Jodie my son is not at primary school. However I am not unaware of what happens with little boys as a few years ago I had care of 2 primary school aged boys. I am not that old that I forget what it was like to be at school either. Schools (well at least the schools where we are considering sending our son) are far more pedantic about hand washing when coming in and out of the classroom. However most doctors will tell you the biggest risk of faecal ingestion is at the toddler age in childcare which my son does attend and they place handwashing as a priority. However if you feel that there is real risk of faecal ingestestion I would highly recommend vaccinating your children for all strains of Hepatitis as well as a few others which are considered to be vaccine preventable diseases.
But like Shed said. Its not just poo in general it has to be poo infected with polio for it to be a risk.
Why does everyone keep mentioning handwashing(of course it is a good habit and we all do it), but handwashing alone wont save us if we are all taken over by a polio/menigococcal/whooping cough etc.. epidemic, come on be realistic.:doh:
Why does everyone keep mentioning handwashing(of course it is a good habit and we all do it), but handwashing alone wont save us if we are all taken over by a polio/menigococcal/whooping cough etc.. epidemic, come on be realistic. :doh:
Well, since we are being realistic, if there was an epidemic when I thought my child was at risk of polio I would go and get him vaccinated :doh:
Until then, the risks outweigh the benefits, since the benefits are basically ZERO.
missie_mack
18-10-2008, 15:12
Why does everyone keep mentioning handwashing(of course it is a good habit and we all do it), but handwashing alone wont save us if we are all taken over by a polio/menigococcal/whooping cough etc.. epidemic, come on be realistic.:doh:
What has meningoccal/whopping cough got to do with a virus like polio :confused: :confused: Polio is caught from ingesting poo and meningoccal and whopping cough are caught from droplets like saliva mucus. Completely different ways of contracting the disease.
An important thing with polio is that there hasn't been a naturally contracted (or wild type) case of the virus in Australia since 1972 .
Anyone with school aged kids would know how true this is, last yr in my daughter's class 28 out of 30 kids got chicken pox, some of the things that kids get up to at school, personal hygiene goes out the window.
Just shows how effective that vax is then :eek:
the vax hasn't been on the schedule for that long. :)
Um ok... I don't think my son is at huge risk of eating other childrens poo but if you believe your kids are... well you know them best.... but then I think based on your beliefs in vaccination you should be investigating other virus' that can be transmitted through bodily fluids particularly waste products that can be vaccinated for but don't appear on the free schedule..
Umm OK. Wait till your DS IS AT School. Oh my, you sound like me BEFORE my children started school!!!
Working at a school, you'd be surprised at what children ingest.
Poo can be ingested with ease.
Susie goes to the toilet and does a number two, doesn't wash her hands properly. Goes back to class and borrow's Timmy's pencil. Timmy chews his pencil and now Timmy has eaten poo.
(I often use this example when I ask the kids not to pick their nose)
OR Timmy doesn't chew his pencil, but later goes on to eat his sandwich...
Susie has a few chippies from her lunch then Ellie puts her hand in and get some out too...
Mmm the poo talk.
You could eat poo simply from touching a stair rail and then eating your lunch. Ew. I think i'm coming close to losing my lunch now.
Ph Goodness, How you Speak the Truth!!
No Jodie my son is not at primary school. However I am not unaware of what happens with little boys as a few years ago I had care of 2 primary school aged boys. I am not that old that I forget what it was like to be at school either. Schools (well at least the schools where we are considering sending our son) are far more pedantic about hand washing when coming in and out of the classroom. However most doctors will tell you the biggest risk of faecal ingestion is at the toddler age in childcare which my son does attend and they place handwashing as a priority. However if you feel that there is real risk of faecal ingestestion I would highly recommend vaccinating your children for all strains of Hepatitis as well as a few others which are considered to be vaccine preventable diseases.
But like Shed said. Its not just poo in general it has to be poo infected with polio for it to be a risk.
:laughing::laughing::laughing:
JabberJaw
18-10-2008, 21:09
Just shows how effective that vax is then :eek:
Vaxx has just come on the schedule not too long ago, it is given at 18 months and again in high school, so therefore the children at primary school are somewhere in between and have not yet been vaxxed unless of course the parents have requested and paid for it....
JabberJaw
18-10-2008, 21:12
No Jodie my son is not at primary school. However I am not unaware of what happens with little boys as a few years ago I had care of 2 primary school aged boys. I am not that old that I forget what it was like to be at school either. Schools (well at least the schools where we are considering sending our son) are far more pedantic about hand washing when coming in and out of the classroom. However most doctors will tell you the biggest risk of faecal ingestion is at the toddler age in childcare which my son does attend and they place handwashing as a priority. However if you feel that there is real risk of faecal ingestestion I would highly recommend vaccinating your children for all strains of Hepatitis as well as a few others which are considered to be vaccine preventable diseases.
But like Shed said. Its not just poo in general it has to be poo infected with polio for it to be a risk.
Good luck with that, :laughing::laughing::laughing:
My sons childcare is to pedantic about hand washing yet he still got hand foot and mouth,,which is transmitted via poo.
missie_mack
18-10-2008, 21:16
My sons childcare is to pedantic about hand washing yet he still got hand foot and mouth,,which is transmitted via poo.
Sorry I thought I explained this before. Hand Foot and Mouth Disease can be spread by poo but its not the only way you catch it. You can also catch it if an infected person coughs or sneezes on you
HFMD is transmitted by direct contact with fluid from the vesicular lesions, direct contact with nose and throat discharges and faeces of an infected person, and aerosol droplet spread.
Link (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/ideas/bluebook/hand_foot)
Hand foot and mouth disease is caused by a virus (usually coxsackie virus A16).
It causes blisters on the hands and feet, in the mouth and often in the 'nappy' area.
It is generally only a mild disease that lasts seven to ten days.
It is more common during warmer weather and tends to spread easily between children.
This infection is spread by direct contact with fluid from the skin blisters, nose and throat discharges, droplets (sneezing, coughing) and faeces (stools). Good personal hygiene is important to prevent spread of the infection to others.
Link (http://www.health.vic.gov.au/ideas/bluebook/hand_foot_info)
I don't know what lead you to believe that ingesting poo is the way your child caught it. There isn't even a way you can test to find out via what method they caught it
The other thing that is taken into consideration when the decision is made is the likelihood of long term damage or death if the disease is actually passed on.
So things like hand foot and mouth aren't really of a big concern to me anyway. Or whooping cough at this stage, we are past the time of being scared of that. It would definitely be a nuisance if he got sick with chickenpox or something, we would have time out of daycare and time off work, but I am not going to vax my child just for my own convenience.
Just shows how effective that vax is then :eek:
Actually rainman, my DD was the only child vaxed, the 28 were not, and the remaining child had already had chicken pox.
This thread has again drifted from the topic of the OP which was a question for non-vaxxers about whether they would prefer to see all children not vaxxed or whether there was some benefit in herd immunity. We will close this thread for now, but feel free to start a new thread to explore other topics.
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