Globalisation

[Yasmeena]

Has anyone considered the environmental affects of bringing a child into our world? How does a child affect my environmental footprint? All the future consumerism, pollution, burning fossil fuels etc.......
I understand wanting to breed, it's a biological imperative, but as a concerned citizen of earth, is it the right thing to do? Would the planet be better off if I recycled, supported organic industry, didn't own a car etc.... or if I just didn't have another child and consumed and wasted the earths resources for the rest of my life?
Just wondering what others think:smiliedance:

[kymmy]

all worth thinking about
but having children is only natural

[reAllytee]

Eerrr ok i dont know whether this is meant to stir people up or not but its interesting.
Who is to say our generation or one of our children wont be one of the future "breeds" that sort out all the wrong we have done to our world.
Who knows .....

[RedPanda]

I always find this topic quite interesting. I don't think population growth is the biggest environmental concern facing the world at the moment. Humans do not reproduce at a rate as rapid as other species. Most of the time, we have singletons, and it takes us ten months to do that! I am yet to see any hard evidence that the birthrate is contributing to the deterioration of the planet.
I always try to recycle what I can, and minimise the impact I have on the environment, but I highly doubt that by abstaining from the world of parenting I can help the earth! Just my thoughts... :)

[kymmy]

I always find this topic quite interesting. I don't think population growth is the biggest environmental concern facing the world at the moment. Humans do not reproduce at a rate as rapid as other species. Most of the time, we have singletons, and it takes us ten months to do that! I am yet to see any hard evidence that the birthrate is contributing to the deterioration of the planet.
I always try to recycle what I can, and minimise the impact I have on the environment, but I highly doubt that by abstaining from the world of parenting I can help the earth! Just my thoughts... :)

that is what i would like to articulate:yes:
THX

[MumsieMel]

:cool:.............

[becca74]

We have so much excess in western countries, it is sickening, I think it is more about sharing and benevolence to those who are needy in starving countries....if we have no children, who are we going to teach that it is good to feed these needy people? We choose not to have kids, and these people in these countries will still keep having children who will be hungry.....who will feed them when we are gone?

If you have a good philosophy about environmental ideals and being benevolent, and you want to share it with others, who are the most willing to be taught? Your own children.....if you start at a young age, drumming into them the importance of being peaceful and benevolent, then it will stay with them forever...

There are so many violent and fundamentalist cultures out there which are breeding masses of children who are being brainwashed into terrorism etc (http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc300.php) .....and yet our so called peaceful and democratic society has this suicidal attitude that we shouldnt breed - yet we see our pro-environment and pro-benevolence attitudes as superior.....and who are we passing these ideals onto?

Surely if you feel you have good intentions to the earth and humanity, the best way to spread those good intentions is to have children and teach them in these ways.....?

We have to think about the next generation.....if you value your values, then pass them onto the next generation by having babies :thumbsup: otherwise your values will end up with you in your grave.....what was ever the point of having them in the first place???

We need to teach our kids about committing senseless acts of kindness.....if we increase the population in favour of a people who believe in this, then certainly we will outweigh the growing population that are teaching their children to commit senseless acts of violence........

[Ana Gram]

Can't say that ever factored into my thinking before having sex and I very much doubt it ever will.

[misskittyfantastico]

sex doesn't necessarily = child does it? anyhow, I did and do worry about the kind of world my DD will grow up in but as Becca74 said, I will do my best to raise my child to have respect for her environment and fellow earth dwellers. Who knows, maybe she'll change this place for the better.

[Ana Gram]

sex doesn't necessarily = child does it? anyhow, I did and do worry about the kind of world my DD will grow up in but as Becca74 said, I will do my best to raise my child to have respect for her environment and fellow earth dwellers. Who knows, maybe she'll change this place for the better.

Not always but everytime you have sex there is a chance you may fall pregnant. I didn't pln to have a child and there are plenty of other women who fall into the same boat as me. So to me, the original posters comment would seem that it would be something to think about before conception, therefore before sex.

[misskittyfantastico]

But even after conception, a baby doesn't have to be the necessary outcome does it? I mean you still have a choice as to whether or not you bring a child into the world.

[Elfin]

Even though I am quite environmentally minded, the impact on the environment and the future of planet Earth did not factor into our decision to conceive. I prefer to look at the positives, I try to do my little bit to make the planet a better place, the grass roots are the best place to start. I am actually quite positive about the future.

[kate_perth_10]

ummmmm ok:rolleyes:

[Funkychicken]

For anyone interested in a great site that deals with some everyday environmental issues, check this out.:thumbsup:

http://www.withawareness.com.au/p1.htm (http://www.withawareness.com.au/p1.htm)

:D :) :D

[Ana Gram]

But even after conception, a baby doesn't have to be the necessary outcome does it? I mean you still have a choice as to whether or not you bring a child into the world.

Well that is a whole new arguement.

[kymmy]

But even after conception, a baby doesn't have to be the necessary outcome does it? I mean you still have a choice as to whether or not you bring a child into the world.

do we really want to go there?


Not always but everytime you have sex there is a chance you may fall pregnant. I didn't pln to have a child and there are plenty of other women who fall into the same boat as me. So to me, the original posters comment would seem that it would be something to think about before conception, therefore before sex.

that is ture
not everybody thinks about TRYING to conceive before they actually do
I am a product of my mum and dad not 'thinking'

[xkwzit]

Hi All

I had a very sim conversation with my cousin one day. She wondered whether it was the right thing to bring a child into the world the way it is. My response to her was:

If a wise, sensitive, thinking woman like yourself doesn't raise sensible responsible children, what hope has the world anyway? There are always plenty of people who do not think at all about bringing children into the world or try to make them useful contributors to society.

Who will raise the next generation of sensitive, thinking, problem-solving people IF NOT us?

JMO :rolleyes:

[misskittyfantastico]

do we really want to go there?



that is ture
not everybody thinks about TRYING to conceive before they actually do
I am a product of my mum and dad not 'thinking'


Why not go there? the OP asked whether the environmental impact of a new human factored in a persons decision to have a child. Just because you don't "think" before conceiving doesn't mean people don't weigh up the options before continuing the pregnancy. Maybe for some one of the factors may involve the environmental impact of said child.

[Ana Gram]

I can honestly say that environmental factors never came into my decsion to continue with the pregnancy. And it would never be on my list of reasons to have an abortion.

[provencein3]

If all people thought like that then ultimately the human race would die out. Not sure whether it would be in time to save the environment but if so then there would be no humans left to use the planet etc. So is your aim to leave it for the animals etc?

[Yasmeena]

I'm not suggesting anyone 'lays back and thinks of the ozone layer' whilst copulating. But in planning to have another child, does anyone think of the environmental impact that another human brings?
Humans are over-populating the earth, over 6 billion people, more than double the population of 1959. How many humans can the earth support? Ovbiously, at this level of growth no one need be worried about humans dying out just yet.
It's great if we can raise a generation of environmentally aware children - who are after all to inherit our planet in all it's beauty and with all the environmental problems which arguably are primarily caused by our species.
I know there is a some political pressure to 'have one for the country', I just wonder if anyone thinks of not having one for the environment. Or if the environmental impacts play any part in the decision.
Our privileged western lifestyle, carries with it a burdon of environmental impact.
Here's a link to calculate your ecological footprint if anyone is interested
http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/Eco-footprint/Households/Calculator.asp

My partner and I are considering having a third child, and this is of concern to us.

[RedPanda]

I think it's always good to consider a wide range of things before making the decision to try for a baby, but I have to admit, I don't think the environment is in my top 10 reasons for not TTC. I do my bit in other ways, and if I thought about the environment in every decision I made in my life, I reckon it would do my head in! I think the "overpopulation" argument is designed to make parents feel guilty for what is basically a very natural desire. There are plenty of things that do more damage to the environment than having children.

[MumsieMel]

:cool: WHY don't we have a pot stirring icon????

[RedPanda]

Hee hee! Completely agree with you MelsieMum:D

[xkwzit]

I thought it was this one :chef:

But on a serious note: I think that it is a genuine concern for some.

[MumsieMel]

hahaha hadnt thought of that one! :laughing:

[reAllytee]

Geeeeeee Mel :rolleyes:
Get with the program girlie :p ;)

[SassyMummy]

I have to say that I SORT OF think about the environmental impact of people having babies...but it's only a brief thought. I didn't actually take it into consideration when having sex, or after falling pregnant (by accident).

In all honesty, if I DID care about the environment enough to not have a baby, would it really make much of a difference? Generally, most people will not give two stuffs about it when making the choice to have a child or not...so me making that decision will most probably not make too much difference. Therefore, I feel 100% guilt-free about having my daughter.

Hell, I may even have another 1...or even another 2! Who knows?

[mykidzrokk]

I have never "had one" for the country, altho i have "taken" a few for the team...kinda gal i am...lol...as for thinking about the impact my breeding will have on the environment....ummm, no...never entered my mind!!!

[Oscar's mum]

I have never "had one" for the country, altho i have "taken" a few for the team


Isn't it funny how ppl think so differently!

Does anyone else remember around Anzac Day how we were all getting told to go out increase the population.

Check out the site about it Link to site (http://www.play2upnow.com.au/)

[Yasmeena]

SassyMummy - that sort of logic is faulted. If one person makes a small difference, in their personal life or philosophy, that small change can extend to affect others and can even after time affect dramatic change. All social movements and revolutions have begun with a small change. Perhaps if you had of lived during times of slavery you might have thought "why should I set my slaves free, there will still be thousands of other slaves, so why should I miss out? It probably won't make too much of a difference"
The fact that you haven't considered the environment in your decision to have a child does not make the consideration or implementation of such a plan pointless or ineffective.
Obviously i have had children, and while I educate them about environmental issues and our familly and house is environmentally friendly (our lifestyle only requires one planet http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/Eco-footprint/Households/Calculator.asp) I am concerned about the environmental impact of increasing the population of an over-populated planet.
The Australian government is encouraging population growth, but why?
Surely there are enough people on the planet to satisfy any increase in population Australia requires through immigration, rather than encouraging people to breed?
I consider myself as a global citizen, not just an Australian.
I am concerned about the planet, and it's capacity to support an already abundant population of humans, and I am concerned enough to at least question my actions.

[Beany]

A few extra children for a couple who can financially and emotionally provide for the children, in an environment and society that can sustain the added load isn't really detrimental to international environmental factors.

If such a thing is of concern to anyone, rather than suppressing the urges and desires of people who can fund another child, it would be better to channel that energy into requiring that the government provide greater measures to conserve and protect the environment. More money can be funnelled into implementation of alternative energy sources, recycling and so forth.

Lobbying for contraceptive measures, procedures and education to be more readily available to third world countries, where the population increases at higher rates than in Western nations, would also address the issue of the amount of strain put on limited natural resources.

[reAllytee]

Beany :yelclap:

[SassyMummy]

I understand what you're getting to Yasmeena...but I think what I was trying to say was that, since I wanted a kid anyway...and my decision NOT to have one would have only made a tiny dent in the environment...I'd definately do what I wanted to do.

I do agree though, that the Aussie government expecting women to have 3 kids is really kind of stupid...considering QLD (not sure about other states) is having terrible water problems (like there needs to be more kids in a near-waterless society...), mothers are going to be expected to find work if they want benefits, and childcare isn't readily available to the amount of kids that are already around...!

[Yasmeena]

But Beany the problem is more with the western lifestyle and the consequent environmental impact, the third world is not creating nearly as much carbon waste or having such an impact on the environment as industrialised countries. Our typical Australian lifestlye cannot "sustain the added load" :banghead: and that is why I think the government is environmentally irresponsible to encourage a new 'baby boom' to strengthen the economy without implementing sustainable environmental solutions. The drought in QLD is just one example of how this issue is ignored by those who have the opportunity to affect change.
The environment just doesn't seem to be as important as the economy to our present government. No one can live in an economy, yet it seems that it takes precedence in almost all decisions made regarding our lifes . We will achieve sustainability when everyone can lead a satisfying life within the Earth’s biological capacity, and that is a long way off from the present rates of human consumption and waste production.

[Beany]

I don't disagree. You'll hear no arguments from me about the government's irresponsibility on the issues of baby production.

I do, however, doubt that many people take much of what Howard says into consideration when contemplating whether or not to have a/another child.

[becca74]

howard's thoughts on family numbers are totally irrelevant to me - I have always wanted a large brood - if he wants to pay me money to do what I want to do naturally, who am i to argue - this time I can afford a homebirth, so i really cannot complain :D

[Yasmeena]

The government is environmentally irresponsible but only because we allow them to be.
Most people are environmentally irresponsible, they don't consider the impact their lifestyle has on the planet because it would be too difficult, and anyway everyone else is doing it :ecomcity:
I worry for my children's future on this planet and for all the other species currently living on this earth with us.
i wonder whether anyone considers the impact of their lifestyle and the impact of their children's lifestyle and how it affects our planet, our only home, now and in the future.
I guess there aren't too many environmentalists on this site :confused:

[becca74]

There are, but this a site dedicated to women having babies, so naturally there is going to be a whole spectrum of women here who want babies for different reasons (generally because as we are like any other animal on earth, deep down we have a drive to procreate), so there are environmentally aware women around here (myself included) who see having babies as an opportunity to create more of a population that is environmentally aware (among other crucial awareness that need to be spread more).

I said it previously on this thread. The people out there having humongous families in alot of countries are not raising their children environmentally friendly, they are, in some scary cases actually raising terrorists and fundamentalists with agendas that totally disregard the environment and working towards a peaceful global community.

Sure, we here in the west could do our bit, and not have kids - and what result will that have? Our ideologys will die with us, and the environment will suffer because the majority of the population that will exist in the next few generations will have no interest in these subjects. A few westerners deciding to not have kids is not going to make even a slight dent on the issues that exist.

I actually think having more children could be considered more beneficial to the environment - ie, how do we get more people to become environmental activists and to spread the ideology further? birth them :D

[Oscar's mum]

I actually think having more children could be considered more beneficial to the environment - ie, how do we get more people to become environmental activists and to spread the ideology further? birth them :D


I couldn't agree more with you their, very well said!
:yes:

[kymmy]

I guess there aren't too many environmentalists on this site :confused:

I think there are a few....

I just want to say that it is nature to have children.
I think it is more important to be careful with consumerism.
It would be silly to me to not have children
but i understand that we need to look after the future of the planet

What is the importance of a garden of eden without any population?

[Oscar's mum]

I guess there aren't too many environmentalists on this site :confused:


I care deeply about the environment and my impact as well as my children's impact on the earth;)

[mykidzrokk]

Isn't it funny how ppl think so differently!

Does anyone else remember around Anzac Day how we were all getting told to go out increase the population.

Check out the site about it Link to site (http://www.play2upnow.com.au/)


...nope...:confused: ....can't say do!

[Yasmeena]

The people out there having humongous families in alot of countries are not raising their children environmentally friendly, they are, in some scary cases actually raising terrorists and fundamentalists with agendas that totally disregard the environment and working towards a peaceful global community.


I know!:thumbsup: I too am concerned about America and it's impact on the environment, it's culture of war, and fundamentalism. It's quite scary:eek:

About 20 percent of the world’s population consumes 70 percent of the world’s material resources and possesses 80 percent of its wealth.

The majority of this 20 percent is located in wealthy nations, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and Japan. For this reason, every person who has a child in a wealthy nation has the equivalent environmental impact as a person having numerous children in an undeveloped country. :yes:

Unless your family requires one or less planets to support your lifestyle then you are NOT raising little environmental warriors that will help heal the planet.

Australian consumption, viewed from a global perspective, leaves a large 'ecological footprint'. In 2004 Australia's ecological footprint was calculated at 7.7 hectares per person (among the world's top four resource-consuming nations) compared to the average global footprint of 2.2 hectares. In other words each of us require about 7.7 soccer fields of resources to support our lifestyle. If the world's population enjoyed our standard of living, we would need about four Earths to support us. Clearly, the consumption of resources at current levels is not sustainable.

Some of the smallest steps can help make a big difference to the environment.The more humans there are, and the more each one consumes, the harder it becomes to solve our environmental problems. That is why human population growth is an environmental issue.

It may be convient for us to think otherwise, but obviously the negative environmental impact of having more children far outways the positive of possibly raising 'enviromentally aware' children.

[Ana Gram]

I can't remember if you said you had children or not....

[xkwzit]

It may be convient for us to think otherwise, but obviously the negative environmental impact of having more children far outways the positive of possibly raising 'enviromentally aware' children.

I have to then wonder about your motives for hanging out on a parenting and pregnancy forum where most of us are building our families. What do you hope to achieve here when you appear to be so disparaging about whether we should be having our children?

My children are my greatest passion. I find it offensive that anyone should question my decision to have them.

[Oscar's mum]

...nope...:confused: ....can't say do!


Check out the link then!;) They were fully page adverts in every paper around Anzac Day this year!

[kymmy]

I have to then wonder about your motives for hanging out on a parenting and pregnancy forum where most of us are building our families. What do you hope to achieve here when you appear to be so disparaging about whether we should be having our children?

My children are my greatest passion. I find it offensive that anyone should question my decision to have them.

I am totally with you there, Xkwzit.
I love my kids and can't understand why I am forever being questioned about why I want them.:rolleyes:
I don't ppl if they choose not have them.
Each to their own...

[becca74]

I know!:thumbsup: I too am concerned about America and it's impact on the environment, it's culture of war, and fundamentalism. It's quite scary:eek:

About 20 percent of the world’s population consumes 70 percent of the world’s material resources and possesses 80 percent of its wealth.

The majority of this 20 percent is located in wealthy nations, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and Japan. For this reason, every person who has a child in a wealthy nation has the equivalent environmental impact as a person having numerous children in an undeveloped country. :yes:

Unless your family requires one or less planets to support your lifestyle then you are NOT raising little environmental warriors that will help heal the planet.

Australian consumption, viewed from a global perspective, leaves a large 'ecological footprint'. In 2004 Australia's ecological footprint was calculated at 7.7 hectares per person (among the world's top four resource-consuming nations) compared to the average global footprint of 2.2 hectares. In other words each of us require about 7.7 soccer fields of resources to support our lifestyle. If the world's population enjoyed our standard of living, we would need about four Earths to support us. Clearly, the consumption of resources at current levels is not sustainable.

Some of the smallest steps can help make a big difference to the environment.The more humans there are, and the more each one consumes, the harder it becomes to solve our environmental problems. That is why human population growth is an environmental issue.

It may be convient for us to think otherwise, but obviously the negative environmental impact of having more children far outways the positive of possibly raising 'enviromentally aware' children.]

If everyone in the western world decided to follow this way of thinking, hypothetically, and we ended up committing generational suicide by not creating another generation, then who is going to carry your high and mighty environmentally friendly flame then? Whoever is left in the world (who does not hold any ecological ideals whatsoever) will just come along and continue wreaking the earthly havoc you describe. Your solution is not a solution. It is just plain suicide.

Not having kids is not the answer to modern environmental issues. Changing the ways in which we live and consume is the only solution. bringing children into the world who are being trained to be more selfless, less materialistic, less greedy, and more in tune to the environment, who will forge a new way of thinking in the world, and lead the way to changing the worlds material consumption habits - this is the only way I can see change. Not killing ourselves off! That is like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

We'll just have to agree to disagree i think....

[Yasmeena]

I have to then wonder about your motives for hanging out on a parenting and pregnancy forum where most of us are building our families. What do you hope to achieve here when you appear to be so disparaging about whether we should be having our children?

My children are my greatest passion. I find it offensive that anyone should question my decision to have them.

xkwyzit, I find your response puzzling :confused: How do you believe I have been disrespectful about anyones decision to have children? And where have I questioned your personal decision to have children? I think you'll find my motives for 'hanging out' on this forum are not entirely dissimilar to your own or anyone else on this forum :o . I am simply raising a discussion regarding the environmental impact of having children. My partner and I have discussed this issue in regards to our family size and environmental issues. As I have said our family only requires one planet to provide us with all we need, so obviously we have an environmentally sustainable household and we consider the environmental impact of our lifestyle.
Not everyone is as concerned about the environment as our family are, however I am certainly curious as to whether anyone else considers the impact of their bundle of joy upon the Earth.

I certainly apologise if I have offended you in anyway as it was not my intention to offend anyone.
I believe I offered a rational explanation of my concerns, and as I have children myself it would absurd for me to be disparaging about anyone building a family.

[kymmy]

Yasmeena, you should be more worried about consumerism
ppl with 1 or 2 kids may be more careless with the environment than those with more than average
just a thought...

[Yasmeena]

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If everyone in the western world decided to follow this way of thinking, hypothetically, and we ended up committing generational suicide by not creating another generation, then who is going to carry your high and mighty environmentally friendly flame then? Whoever is left in the world (who does not hold any ecological ideals whatsoever) will just come along and continue wreaking the earthly havoc you describe. Your solution is not a solution. It is just plain suicide.

Not having kids is not the answer to modern environmental issues. Changing the ways in which we live and consume is the only solution. bringing children into the world who are being trained to be more selfless, less materialistic, less greedy, and more in tune to the environment, who will forge a new way of thinking in the world, and lead the way to changing the worlds material consumption habits - this is the only way I can see change. Not killing ourselves off! That is like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

We'll just have to agree to disagree i think....

Becca - as I have pointed out, the human population has doubled in the last fifty years to over 6 billion. There is no danger of humans "committing generational suicide" and in fact this position is slightly absurd. Seeing as it is the western world who is "wreaking the earthly havoc" I am not sure exactly what your point is:confused: What exactly do the think are the environmental issues that are facing the planet? It's countries like ours and America that are "wreaking earthly havoc".

I am not saying that no one should ever have children, 'cos that would be a bit silly eh?:D I just don't see many people bringing selfless, less materialistic, less greedy, and environmentally concerned children into the world, unless they are themselves less materialistic, less greedy, and environmentally concerned. As I have shown the typical Australian is not of this ilk (see post above where I explain the ecological footprint of Australia)

Changing consumption habits is just one issue, and obviously not having a child or not having another child would have a positive environmental impact by not draining already over-consumed and finite resources.

I realise that I have an unpopular opinion but I think it is well founded.

Your concerns regarding the survival of humans upon this planet may seem logical, however if you look at the greater picture you will find some flaws in this line of thinking.

Thomas Malthus in 1798 warned that populations were liable to grow until their environment could no longer support them. People living in the affluence of the twentieth century sometimes pronounce Malthus wrong. In doing so they overlook not only history but the cause of their own affluence - today 20% of the world population uses huge amounts of fossil fuels to consume 80% of the planet's resources. Most humans do not live well - every day 40,000 children die through malnutrition, dirty water or other environmental stress. The wealthy today live as no humans before them have ever lived and the bonanza for one in five of the earth's people will be short lived if growth continues.

Civilisations have collapsed because the environment on which they depended could no longer support them. In the Middle East ancient civilisations were very "advanced", irrigating fields and supporting a sophisticated society. Unfortunately over some centuries the fields became saline, crops failed, the civilisations collapsed and much of the area is wasteland to this day. Easter Island and Central America have also seen the disappearance of sophisticated societies that destroyed the natural systems that supported them.

Malthus has always been right. All species, including humans, tend to out-breed their means of subsistence. Wealthy humans now have technology which can limit fertility and exploit the resources of the entire planet and thus give the illusion that Malthus was wrong. In the long term the planet can support only few humans at a high standard of living.

[Tea Lady]

I think looking after the environment (what's left of it anyway) is really important, and I can see that the more children you have the more effect your family will have on the environment. I would hate to think though that enviromental impact is the main way I would weigh up the value of a person's life, which I worry is where the idea of basing a decision about the number of children you have is headed.

I mean, I accept that the fact that my daughter lives will have a negative impact on the environment, but there's alot more to the picture - I hope she will grow up to have a very positive impact on many people by being someone who is generous and kind and sharing of the wealth she will have by virtue of living in Australia. I think that if I had to weigh up the potential impact of my child on the environment against her impact on society in general I would say the hope of having a child who makes the world a better place experientially for other people (although maybe not environmentally) would win out easily. The thought of the environmental impact wouldn't stop me having 6 kids because I think that human relationships are more important than the environment. I guess it's a question of values.

Just as an aside- I think it's a bit scary that if you carry the idea of not having children because of their environmental impact further (admittedly alot further!) you have to start asking questions about "which" children use more environmental resources eg kids with some health problems or disablities would have a greater impact on the environment than "normal" kids. Old people would take environmental resources without contributing anything positive, so maybe they should be encouraged not to hang around too long............:chef: (pot stirring icon).

Anyway, just my 2c. ;)

[bronny-jane]

I understand wanting to breed, it's a biological imperative, but as a concerned citizen of earth, is it the right thing to do?

hmm well how do you know that this child you decide not to concieve wont be an environmental genius who invents something that ends up saving the whole planet:D

[becca74]

hmm well how do you know that this child you decide not to concieve wont be an environmental genius who invents something that ends up saving the whole planet:D

bronny-jane, I agree totally!

here is something to consider.....

If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?

If you said yes, you just killed Beethoven!

Human beings have so much positive potential....

Thinking that all humans do is negative is taking the view that the cup is half empty.....

I prefer to think the cup is half full - and I stand by my original posts in my belief that things can get better if we soldier on and make our best efforts at creating a new generation of wonderful human beings :D

[kymmy]

I would never say yes to abortion.
Every life is precious.
I was advised to abort my first child...
Of course i didn't, and now I have one wonderful daughter with no problems
and even if she did, I would still love her.

[reAllytee]

hmm well how do you know that this child you decide not to concieve wont be an environmental genius who invents something that ends up saving the whole planet:D

Pretty much what i said back on page one must be a great minds thing :p

[bronny-jane]

Pretty much what i said back on page one must be a great minds thing :p

well know you know i dont read every post:o

[reAllytee]

Lol neither do i hehehe just making fun of myself really its not often people agree with me !!!!

[bronny-jane]

Lol neither do i hehehe just making fun of myself really its not often people agree with me !!!!

scary isnt it:eek: :eek: :D

[poormum]

Yasmeena

The only responsible answer to you is this.

1. You have the right to make the decision about whether to bring your own children into the world or not, based on whatever arguable evidence you see fit.

2. You do not have the right to make the decision for anyone else, nor pass judgement on anyone else's decision based on the arguable evidence you have used to make your own decision.

Good luck with raising your own kids, I am sure you are doing as good a job as the rest of us.

[Yasmeena]

poormum - this is a section to discuss having another child.
This discussion has been about whether it is environmentally sustainable for australians to have many children, as is encouraged by the government.
This has been discussed in general terms rather than personal ones, you might want to consider doing this yourself as in your own comment you have passed judgement upon my opinion without actually giving any opinion of your own. *wry smile*
If you believe my evidence is arguable I challenge you to argue it *smiles politely*

[xkwzit]

LOL@Aijent:D
Thanks for the laugh

[reAllytee]

ummm...do we actually get a choice to have/not have babies ?? I thought God just gave them to me cause I was very, very naughty:rolleyes:


Oh so what didnt the stork bring mine :eek: :confused:


Nice comment :laughing:

[WeThree]

ummm...do we actually get a choice to have/not have babies ?? I thought God just gave them to me cause I was very, very naughty:rolleyes:

LOL! I must of been reallllllllllll bad then :eek: :D

[Yasmeena]

yes sex is naughty *titter titter snort giggle*



*sigh*