No cry sleep solution v Save our sleep.

[Cheeky Monkies]

Hi,

I am looking at buying one of these books (could get both but don't really want to). From what I have read I am leaning towards the No cry sleep solution book. I am just wondering what people's views are about the books and which people have found most useful.

It sounds like the advice is pretty much what we did with DD1 but we arwe having so many more sleep problems with DD2 and looking for further ideas.

Thanks
Bron

[cordz2911]

Hi
I didn't read the no cry solution so i couldn't tell you if it's good or not but i used save our sleep...as a guide and my son now sleeps 11-12 hours a night...took about 4 days and he got overtired and slept less at first so at one point had to be wrapped and held for one sleep but that was at7months now over 9 months and laughs when put to bed :)

[LilMissnBoo]

Go to the library and get both. :yes: That way you can check them both out, see which one works or suits you and then go out to buy it.

fwiw I have just read No Cry Sleep for Toddlers and I was very impressed.

hth

[fludo]

I've got both but haven't finished reading save our sleep yet - just got it yesterday. Save our sleep has it all set out - specific routines for each age. Crying is involved in settling to sleep but the idea is bub learns to self-settle quickly so within a few days crying is much less - I haven't tried it yet so can't say if it works from my experience.

The No Cry Sleep Solution is basically a collection of different ideas you could try to settle bub. Then it's up to you to pick and choose from it. I liked it for ideas but felt I needed more direction - I'm someone who wants to know exactly what I'm supposed to do! The settling options are much gentler to minimise crying but will take longer to implement.

HTH

[buzzing bee]

i've got the no cry sleep solution and it was good. From what I have read the save our sleep is very routine based and I am not into that with young babies but it seems popular

[Miranda1976]

Is there anyone out there who has had success with the routines outlined in the Save Our Sleep book? I like the idea of the routines, but found my baby just too unpredictable to stick to them, plus they required sooooo much discipline from me! Has anyone out there had success with the SOS routines? I am just curious coz it seems so impossible to get a baby on a strict routine. Mine's bottle fed and still I can't get him into a strict routine!

[fludo]

Yes I have had success with SOS routine, although I've kinda combined it with Gina Ford routine which has less day sleep which seems to suit my bub better. My feed times aren't exactly by the book - when bub is hungry, I feed her - but they are within an hour every day. We made a consistent bedtime of 7-7:15pm. And if she wakes at 5am I feed her but then try to get her back to bed. Then wake her at 7am and feed again, even if she only takes a little. She has now gotten used to getting up at 7am, whereas before it was hard to resettle her.

I've found a routine is a lifesaver. In the beginning I couldn't get them to work either but for me it was a case of finding the right routine for bub. I also had to get bub on some kind of routine due to my work so it's been really great.

[stardance]

i do same as fludo...use gina ford routines....as a guide....i am not obsessive...and i use sos sleeping thing.....gina ford is too english nanny strict for me!!
i love sos it has saved me from going crazy!!

[odiliaboeso]

"The No Cry Sleep Solution is basically a collection of different ideas you could try to settle bub. "


The ideas on No Cry Sleep Solution are interesting, its up to you to choose which idea you gonna use for your sleeping baby problems.:yelclap:
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[MissSteph]

I use SOS with our DD and have since she was 4 months old (now 19 months). I only use it as a guide though, especially at the begining with routines. I love Tizzy's routines and they suit us perfectly. I did adjust bottle times etc because DD has never been a big milk drinker and has always been more keen on food but apart from that we've used the same nap times etc as the book states. The settling routine is realistic aswell which is what I love about SOS and even though at first it may seem like a battle, it really does pay off and it doesn't take long either. It only ever took DD 2 nights to get into rhythm and understand that it's time to go to sleep with little or no fuss.

Good luck!

[Merla]

SOS uses CC and is very routine based.

No cry sleep solution is a much more gentle method of helping a child set up good sleeping habbits.

Personally I wouldn't touch SOS with a 10foot pole, but were not CC or routine people.

[Phyllis Stein]

No Cry Sleep Solution all the way. I found it to be a holistic approach to sleep, based on realistic expectations.

Like the PP, I wouldn't go near SOS with a ten foot pole. The potential to cause psychological harm, undue distress and undermine breastfeeding and infant attachment was too high for me to risk.

[Slapmyelbow]

Just to be clear, SOS is not pro controlled crying. Tizzie Hall is of the belief that we as parents, need to recognize the different cries of our children and never let them get to the emotional stage. And to be picky she says on pg 85 near the bottom ..

"you should comfort an emotional toddler straightaway. I feel very strongly that ignoring an emotional cry could cause psychological damage and stress, which is why I disagree with controlled crying"

I have used some of the routines from it very loosely and moulded to suit DD, I have found it very helpful and would recommend it.

[Slapmyelbow]

There is info at the beginning of SOS about help with breastfeeding and boosting supply in those first few weeks which she incorporates into routine. I found that to be invaluable and I bf for 12 months. I really think you should take any parenting books you read with a grain of salt and be confident in your own abilities and choices.<br />
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[Phyllis Stein]

That's strange; when I read SOS I found it remarkably in favour of allowing a child to cry alone. No, she doesn't call it CC but it's identical in intent and function - to cause the extinction of a certain behaviour that is undesirable to the parent. And just because it's not a so called 'distressed' cry doesn't make it meaningless - in all cases, it's a form of communication and sensitive responsiveness to babies communication is essential to their healthy psychological development.

And there are multitudes of parents out there (particularly on some other forums) who can attest to the damage SOS and the like have done to their BF success.

[Slapmyelbow]

Well I never let my baby cry it out, and she is healthy and developing psychologically well. She also self settles and I breastfed her Successfully for twelve months using some advice from SOS so it worked for us. So in this instance, SOS was a valuable tool which the OP in 2008!!!! was asking opinions on.

But IMO, with bubhub being an Internet forum, SOS is not a book about controlled crying. Pages are dedicated in explaining the difference.

[Merla]

Well I never let my baby cry it out, and she is healthy and developing psychologically well. She also self settles and I breastfed her Successfully for twelve months using some advice from SOS so it worked for us. So in this instance, SOS was a valuable tool which the OP in 2008!!!! was asking opinions on.

But IMO, with bubhub being an Internet forum, SOS is not a book about controlled crying. Pages are dedicated in explaining the difference.


Does the book encourage the parent to allow a baby to cry? Yes? Then it is encouraging "controlled crying", unless your saying it encourages uncontrolled crying?

[Slapmyelbow]

Wow .. here we go .. another thread arguing over parenting styles, how about we just love our children and let other mums get on with it:confused:?

In your opinion, you think SOS is about controlled crying. I dont. And thats ok because its my opinion.

I never let my DD cry it out, but she does fuss.. and whinge.. and 99% of the time she will settle herself to sleep mere minutes after we put her down. Its not 'uncontrolled crying', its self settling. It may not work for our next baby and it may not work for your babies, but the information I read was invaluable for our first baby and hope it helps with our next one.

As i said in a PP, 'parenting' books can only offer so much and I would read them lightly. As in take what works, disregard what doesnt.

[Boobycino]

SOS would never have worked with Jaspers temperament and when I read it when he was 6 weeks old I cried :laughing:

I loved No Cry Sleep Solution.

:yes:

Its very much like a menu of ideas, which you pick and choose what may work with you, your family and your baby.

BUT as an OP said, I'd get them both from the library and give them a read.

I went to the library once and I got, I think about 4-5 books and read them. A couple of threw across the room in frustration when they said "babies over 6 months do not need to be fed through the night" and immediately jumped into unrealistic expectations (for my family and my son) and wasn't in line with my own values, so I just tossed them back in the pile. ;)

But thats the great thing about getting books from the library. :yes: You can immediately hate them and it cost you nothing. And if you find a book thats an absolutely god send (like NCSS was for me) then you can go and buy it for future reference ;)

[fludo]

But IMO, with bubhub being an Internet forum, SOS is not a book about controlled crying. Pages are dedicated in explaining the difference.

Mum2BubbyGirl is correct. This book does not promote CC. Leaving a child alone for a few minutes to grizzle, is not CC. Every cry from a baby is NOT saying "mummy help me"! sometimes it's "I'm tired, but give me a moment to grizzle and I'll get comfy and go off to sleep by myself."

Too many people in these forums bag out books such as SOS when they haven't even read them properly let alone tried the techniques.

Tizzie explains in detail the difference between CC and her methods. And as for breastfeeding, you can't blame one book on your "failure" (sorry can't think of a better word) at breastfeeding.

[KatiesMum]

SOS - negatives


On Crying - Tizzie Hall genuinely does not promote controlled crying ... she does actually say 'if the child is genuinely distressed' you should go in and react.


The problem is that many new Mums dont really know the difference between an 'emotionally distressed cry' and an 'Im hungry cry' or an 'I need attention' cry or a 'I just need a few minutes to settle' type cry, so bubs ends up being left to cry ...

It may not be her intention - but sometimes that IS what people take away from it.



The breastfeeding advice - while it might work for some who have no supply problems, it can (and has often) hindered women who need to feed much more often to establish better supply. Some babies simply do not feed as much, and therefore need to feed more often ... both for the baby and to establish breastfeeding.

SOS - Posatives


Many babies DO respond to routines, and this book gives you a great idea of how to set up a routine to suit yourself and your baby.


Its worth a read.


I havent read the No Cry Solutions ... but honestly, any book that gives you suggestions on how to settle your bub is worth a read.

Take what you want from it, and leave the rest. Ideas are great.

To be totally honest, what I found most helpful was a list I wrote myself. It was bullet points of different things to try ..

Wrapping
unwrapping
nursing
in cot
in rocker/swing
in pram
in car
singing
reading
talking
walking around
laying on bed with bubs
..... (you get the idea)

At the end of the day, when bubs was unsettled, I used to do the things I knew she liked and responded to first, and then when they didnt work, tried the rest (again) until something finally worked.

[earthfairy]

I read & used SOS routines with our now 18mo DD & it worked wonders for us & her. I express BF her until she was 13 weeks old & then she went onto formula.....
She thrived being on a routine & was a content, happy little baby & now toddler.

I agree with what katiesmum said, "Take what you want from it, and leave the rest"
I think this is very important when given any advice when it comes to parenting.

:)
EF

[Sparklydreamer]

But thats the great thing about getting books from the library. :yes: You can immediately hate them and it cost you nothing.

:laughing: I love that line. So true.

I also much preferred the no cry solution. SOS just made me feel like a failure because there was no way my refluxing, likes to be held all day and demand feed baby was going to fit into a routine. And I can't stand to let babies cry at all (I'm a soft touch for even persistent grizzles). It was one book I certainly hated and was glad not to buy.

But that was because of my baby and situation. Everone's different and I can see how it would be great for some people.

Best to look at both and see what appeals to you.

[Boobycino]

Katies mum, that's so true you saying new mums not knowing one cry from another - I personally reacted/responded to every cry for fear I would misinterpret genuine distress for grumbles...

Though I don't know what I'd do different with another baby the same....

Phew I just went through a 'is jaspers sleep issues my fault???' but no, he's always been a HIGH demand baby.

But he grew into such a (generally) well natured toddler so I gotta give myself some pats on the back...

.... Shame he still doesn't grasp the concept of sleeping through....

[Boobycino]

Also next baby I'll have them with all the zillions of books, heaps of advice, everything I've discovered with Jasper I think well be less likely to set up bad habits...

(oh I'm so talking crap- who knows how I'll survive if I have another Jasper !!!!)

[mummato2boys]

I used SOS for DS1. It worked like magic with him. Mind you he never really cried when going to bed just occassionally had a bit of a grizzle so I never had to do whole timing before you go into settle them. Basically, I read it and used it because I need to get into a routine with bub. I adjusted it a little bit to suit us as he would only ever sleep for 40mins during the day and but he loved the routine. By 4 months, he was sleeping 7-5 every night, woke for a quick feed and then went back to sleep until 7am.
DS2 is another kettle of fish. Tried SOS from 1month or so but my little one was like Sparklydreamer's bub and he wasnt having anything to do with it. I tried and tried but it didnt work for him. I tried again a few months later but still didnt work. I use her routines eg. sleep times, etc. but despite Tizzy stating that it would only take 1-2days (i am sure that what she says in the book) it just didnt happen for my little man.

[JetGirl]

I used SOS at 8.5 weeks as I was going nuts. It worked great pretty much straight away and now DD goes to bed smiling at 7, wakes once for a feed between 1 & 4 and then we start the day at 7. She is just so happy, people can't believe how easily she goes down. We have on & off trouble with day sleeps but for the most part she is fine. Strangely, the part that helped me most was getting confirmation that I was actually thinking she was hungry when she was tired so I was feeding her foremilk most of the time and not ensuring she got enough sleep. So she's was a lot happier and healthier once the book helped me figure this out.

[nicole1902]

I have used SOS for 2 weeks now and have a much happier baby for it. We stared at 10 weeks.
Before using it we couldn't put our baby to bed at night without sitting with him to settle him to sleep and he wouldn't sleep in his bed during the day. Now he has 2 sleeps and 1 nap in his bed daily, settles himself to sleep and goes to bed at 7 pm, has a dreamfeed at 10pm which my husband does, wakes once around 4 and then I wake him to start the day at 7am.
I don't follow the routine exactly to the minute but I'm not far off.
I would definitely recommend using it.

[EandMe]

I have been trying the No cry solutions for the last 6-7 weeks with our perpetual catnapping DS and have have very little success. I started the SOS routine a week ago and our lil boy LOVES it. It was hard to get him to stay awake for the time frames at first because he was so use to having short awake times and short sleep times. He is dummy dependent and we are about to start self settling. I initially thought that NO cry solutions would have been the only way for me but now think that this is not realistic for him. I am anxious about the crying but think I can handle it (fingers crossed).

So my opinion is that the NO cry solutions are not for every baby (even if that was my initial intent). SOS has a lot more information about other areas as well. I found the room temperature and bedding guide very helpful as we were really under doing the blankets needed. There is also more info on health issues etc that BabyBliss, which is the other book I have.

Hope that helps

[cashahn]

Tizzie Hall does not advocate CC and thinks its cruel technique in teaching a baby to sleep. She teaches in her book that its ok to let a baby protest which is a dry cry that has no tears, if a baby has tears when they are crying then its an emotional cry and she certainly doesnt recommend leaving a baby to cry like that.
I wish people would get their facts straight before they give opinions especially those who havent even read the book and take the word of others who have obviously not understood the book.

[trishalishous]

I have read both and wouldnt try SOSs dangerous methods!
This is just inhumane:
Page 71 paragraph entitled; "Settling your new baby to sleep"
pg 72 & 73:

There are 2 ways I recommend you teach a new baby up to 2 weeks old to self settle...be prepared for a bit of initial crying! Put your baby in bed, go into the kitchen, make a cup of tea and drink it. If your child is still protesting, go and check. The longer you stay out, the better. If after 22 minutes, your baby is not asleep, get him up for a 10 minute break, this is for your benefit, not your baby's but if you feel you can go past 22 minutes without a break, then do so.
So yeah shes says "I dont do CC" then gives THAT^^ advice :barf:

[Me&MrMagoo]

^^ ditto

Crying is crying ... If they are crying and you walked out - that's controlled crying ...

[Cerberus]

Tizzie Hall does not advocate CC and thinks its cruel technique in teaching a baby to sleep. .

Someone who doesn't believe in CC posted a while back that she too thought it was cruel. She then went on to complain how she had to pick her DD up 18 times the previous night...!! :laughing: And that's not cruel!? My oh my.

[babybabycakes]

Someone who doesn't believe in CC posted a while back that she too thought it was cruel. She then went on to complain how she had to pick her DD up 18 times the previous night...!! :laughing: And that's not cruel!? My oh my.

:confused: Her baby woke distressed and she comforted. How on earth is responding to her babies distress cruel???

This is a no cry sleep area of the forum. If you want.to debate CC v's no cry solutions please do so in the sleep and settling thread area. This area is for those that believe there is a gentler way and discussions about gentler solutions- not an area to attack a parenting style that differs from your own. You post is offensive and unwarranted and the mum that responds to her baby in the manner you have attacked should not have to read your aggressive antagonistic post.
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[trishalishous]

:confused: Her baby woke distressed and she comforted. How on earth is responding to her babies distress cruel???

This is a no cry sleep area of the forum. If you want.to debate CC v's no cry solutions please do so in the sleep and settling thread area. This area is for those that believe there is a gentler way and discussions about gentler solutions- not an area to attack a parenting style that differs from your own. You post is offensive and unwarranted and the mum that responds to her baby in the manner you have attacked should not have to read your aggressive antagonistic post.
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