Choose for yourself

[PaperTiger]

This website documents many if not most of the SCIENTIFIC citations and artices on the internet dedicated to the truth about vaccines as is seen, researched and understood from the authors. Many of these articles and citations are written by such people as doctors, scientists and the like that have no vested interests or money to be saved or siphoned from the public at large. These aren’t rogue scientists saying it, they are from Harvard, Merck, U of C and many other esteemed places.

Have we as a community forgotten that we have immune systems and the reason that so many of us have weakened immune systems is because we keep plunging our bodies into vats of chemicals?
Thimerisol is not the only problem with vaccines; what about the documented cases of severe and life threatening side effects documented on the VAERS database? What about the other chemicals and bits and bobs in vaccines and the fact that the diseases in them don’t pass through our immune system in any way that it recognizes? The list goes on and on ending with for many they simply don’t work.

Read the citations and articles for yourself, dont take my word for it.
I'm a nobody, not a scientist or a famous professor somewhere. I'm just a concerned mum and nanna sitting in my lounge room in the suburbs of an Australian city passing on information that every single Australian parent deserves to have access too and then decide for themselves where they stand on this terribly emotive and sensitive subject.

http://www.thinktwice.com/s_mmr.htm

[2forme]

just wondering is there an Australian site like this?

[Funkychicken]

just wondering is there an Australian site like this?
Try THIS (http://www.avn.org.au/library/) one.

AND

THIS (http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/) one.

:thumbsup:

[Izy]

funky chicken- those sites include alot of US data too. Are there any aussie studies?

[Benji]

To the OP, I read my own research thanks very much. In fact, when I am "told" to read or do something, it makes me want to rebel in a big way.

Who has weakened immune systems?? Who exactly are you reffering to?

[Mahjong]

We have done our research and very happy with our decision, which is to immunise both our children.

[Izy]

If it's an informed decision- shouldn't there be both sides of the argument?
http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/index.html

[2forme]

i was mostly interested in Australian sites, as no offense to American sites, but they seem to "dramatise" things a bit...

we live in Australia , therefore id be willing to read "Australian reports and statistics"...

thanks for the links funky chicken... but yeah like izy said looking for something a bit more aussie based...

[Fuchsia!]

Thanks for the Info mumoffour, i will have a read :)

[sandy cheeks]

I read it a bit shocking and the americans do tened to over dramatise things and i still think each to there own Im vaxed my children will b vaxed i new a couple who had polio (older couple) and they contracted it as children and were in wheelchairs for the rest of there lives so thats stuck in my head about vaxing but i would never judge. I feel lucky we live in a country where we have the option to vax

[Benji]

I'm not narky, I really do think there are better ways to address issues than having a title "choose for yourself" and saying things such as:


Read the citations and articles for yourself, dont take my word for it.

I have already chosen for myself. I've done my own research and come to my own conclusion. I respect that others have come to a different conclusion and I would like to see the same in return.

[bindiloo]

American or Australian the children all recieve the same vaccinations. The bonus with reading american research is they are ahead of us and any reactions or new findings in the vaccine schedule is not dramatised but simply made available for us aussies to read b4 we decide to follow the same path as they did.

Thanks for the information mumoffour:yelclap:

[Tici]

I read it a bit shocking and the americans do tened to over dramatise things and i still think each to there own Im vaxed my children will b vaxed i new a couple who had polio (older couple) and they contracted it as children and were in wheelchairs for the rest of there lives so thats stuck in my head about vaxing but i would never judge. I feel lucky we live in a country where we have the option to vax

Do you know if the older couple we're vaxed or not ??

[Tici]

Oh yeah! Thanks for the info mamaoffour !! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Very interesting indeed.

[bindiloo]

I have already chosen for myself. I've done my own research and come to my own conclusion. I respect that others have come to a different conclusion and I would like to see the same in return

If you have made your decision and dont need to research any more on the subject then why bother getting worked up over some information mumoffour has so kindly offered for those who are still unsure and are looking for all the research they can get their hands on before also coming to the firm decision you have so obviously already made.
Its very simple, dont read it.

[Izy]

Why don't any of these sites give us links to the oposing view? Or am I just missing that?

All the pro-vaccination sites I have visited clearly link sites that are against vaccination so that people can make an informed decision (yes informed means seeing both sides of the fence before picking a favourite). Why is it that the non-vac sites don't do the same?

[~Bec~]

The problem I find with the OP that it infers that the information provided in the website is "the truth". I'm not pretending or suggesting that I know what "the truth" is but on such an emotive topic posting a link to such a website and claiming it is where readers can find "the truth" is, well, not sure of the right word, shortsighted, inflamatory?



However I post this for those that are prepared to fully and deeply research and discover for THEMSELVES what the truth is.

[Fuchsia!]

The problem I find with the OP that it infers that the information provided in the website is "the truth". I'm not pretending or suggesting that I know what "the truth" is but on such an emotive topic posting a link to such a website and claiming it is where readers can find "the truth" is, well, not sure of the right word, shortsighted, inflamatory?
But that is what the OP believes to be the truth, its the same as all the other people on here that belive what they do. Im sure that people who circ have links to what they believe to be the truth, same as BF'ers and Homebirthers.

[veve]

PLEASE hubbers - I've just deleted MULTIPLE ... (WAY toooooo many) posts in this thread - ALL off topic .. and argumentative!

I'm reluctant to close the thread - I like educated discussions- but if you cant contribute constructively - then please dont post.

If there is a post that occurs in a thread - please report it .. (DO NOT POST in the thread ... ) and remember to give the moderating team up to 24 hours to respond .. we do have families.. we do not get paid .. and we need to organise moderating time AROUND work, children, partners and lives.

PLEASE - this is the immunisation issues area - its free for both sides to state their beliefs - but only in polite - tactful manner .. ALL other posts WILL be removed ...

thanks
Jenny

[Moorish]

I'd also just like to add:

Messages should be polite and friendly. Others are free to express their opinions and beliefs and any difference of opinion should not be taken personally

[SPC]

How about mentioning that when immunisation rates dipped in the soviet union in the 1990s there was an outbreak of diphtheria that killed 4000 people?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no4/vitek.htm

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

How about mentioning that when immunisation rates dipped in the soviet union in the 1990s there was an outbreak of diphtheria that killed 4000 people?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no4/vitek.htm
Very good point.
I think in weighing up the risk factors I will be continuing to vaccinate my children.
I can't seem to find any non Biased studies on non vaccination IMO, anyway.

[Benji]

I can't seem to find any non Biased studies on non vaccination IMO, anyway.

Same here. I tend to trust the World Health Organization, myself, when it comes to vaccination. I find a lot of anti-vax "studies" to be inconclusive.

[sam's mum]

Do you know if the older couple we're vaxed or not ??

there wasn't any vaccine for Polio until the late 1950s.

[Verdi]

A dear friend of mine said this.
If no one decided to vaccinate then we would all be stuffed , but those who choose to vaccinate are giving those the option to not vaccinate. it makes sense to me.
So if you really really want everyone to not vaccinate you have to be prepared of the consequences that it may bring.

My father who was a little boy in the 1950's was hospitalised for 3 months with TB and he said the amount of kids who had polio at the Austin hospital in melbourne was amazing, so many children were left cripple from that disease.

It is because of the people who vaccinate, which allows you the choice to not vax, cause if no one vaxed then these diseases will start up again why does anyone ever want to risk that happening again.

[Verdi]

sams mum - your post just backed up my fathers experience :)

[sam's mum]

sams mum - your post just backed up my fathers experience :)

:laughing: snap. hmm, do you follow me at night time, when I SHOULD be asleep in my bed....

[Verdi]

I m your Bubhub stalker but a lovely one:hugs::p

[sam's mum]

:sunshine: well don't I feel special. If I am going to have a stalker, then it is good to have a lovely one. :laughing:

[Verdi]

I feel ike a hippy tonight baby and i am spreading the love baby.:laughing: purely in platonic way baby!!

[Refresh]

Same here. I tend to trust the World Health Organization, myself, when it comes to vaccination. I find a lot of anti-vax "studies" to be inconclusive.

Me too...I have done countless hours researching vaxxes after the birth of each baby and also just a couple of months ago when researching travel vaccinations.....my main source of info was infact the World Health Organisation pages and their statistics...we still choose not to vax.

[delirium]

I also would of liked to see both sides. I read some of the articles which I found interesting, but I'm not so sure I share their opinions.

We choose to vax and that suits us, for some they don't want to vax. Horses for courses. I don't think either side needs to be converted or convinced.

[Phyllis Stein]

The thing is, very few studies even are conclusive in a watertight way. Every single study needs to be looked at in respect to what it includes/ doesn't include. Some studies that have conclusions that support vaccination, also have weaknesses, just as some that find risks in vax do. The best way I can work out my 'truth' is just to read as much as possible and build up a bigger picture.

DS is completely unvaxed to date, but that may change in the future. The link in the OP is very helpful - thank you!

[delirium]

The thing is, very few studies even are conclusive in a watertight way. Every single study needs to be looked at in respect to what it includes/ doesn't include. Some studies that have conclusions that support vaccination, also have weaknesses, just as some that find risks in vax do. The best way I can work out my 'truth' is just to read as much as possible and build up a bigger picture.


:iagree:

[Josh]

These internet sites/and info are way too shonky for me they are a little scary to even open up.
happybirthdayto my chicken pox survivor DD.

[JabberJaw]

When doing all your research in to vaccinations, do any of you consider the implications to people like myself. I have been vaccinated but for some reason while pregnant my body shows a non immune response to the disease therefore i am able to pick up all the nasties that i should be immunised against. Due to this, i contracted Rubella from an un immunised child while i was pregnant, we lost him at 23wks on the 19/10/06.
Maybe you should all consider this when making your desisions and weigh up the pros and cons of your desision, the risks of immunisation are low but the risks to not immunise are great when you think about the ill health the child could get if it contracts something that it can be immunised against and they are devastating for people like myself who show a non immune respose, and i am not the only person who has this condition.
Please make your choices wisely

[Josh]

When doing all your research in to vaccinations, do any of you consider the implications to people like myself. I have been vaccinated but for some reason while pregnant my body shows a non immune response to the disease therefore i am able to pick up all the nasties that i should be immunised against. Due to this, i contracted Rubella from an un immunised child while i was pregnant, we lost him at 23wks on the 19/10/06.
Maybe you should all consider this when making your desisions and weigh up the pros and cons of your desision, the risks of immunisation are low but the risks to not immunise are great when you think about the ill health the child could get if it contracts something that it can be immunised against and they are devastating for people like myself who show a non immune respose, and i am not the only person who has this condition.
Please make your choices wisely
How very sad for you:crying: I think that I experience something similar, each time I am pregnant my immunity to rubella is dangerously low even though I have booster shots every time I have a child, my doc has said that my body absorbs this vaccine. I was always worried every time I was pregnant that someone would give me rubella, My thoughts are with you and your family.:hugs:

[JabberJaw]

Thanks so much, we have since had a beautiful baby girl to add to our family but i spent my 9 months locked away in fear!
I only mentioned it as i have never known it to happen to anyone and i believe that people should really consider this when making there decision.

[jayisa02]

misskelz77 - i am very sorry to hear about your little bub :hugs:

but there are other parents who have lost their babies to reactions to vaccines. Our DS has had a bad reaction to the MMR and i know of many others whos children have reacted badly.

I think that as parents we should be given unbiased info for both sides of the immunisation debate. Before my son reacted i had no idea that people could chose not to vax and that there were serious adverse reactions that could occur. If i had known what i know now DS would never have had the MMR shot.

[JabberJaw]

Yeah i agree with your opinion as that is your personal choice but what happens if your un immunized child happens to get measles mumps or rubella? the implications could be much worse that the reaction of the one the vaccine gave him, just a thought.

My opinion is only so strong on this matter because i have lost a baby due to someone Else's choice not to immunize, and you may say well he was only 23 KS but he was still a my baby, i gave birth to him, held him and had his tiny footprints done.

I am just trying to get others to think of immunization from other peoples point of view, just as you are.

I am not sure if anti immunizes wouldn't think about their child coming in contact with a pregnant woman who has a condition such as mine and also jodie9

[Fuchsia!]

When doing all your research in to vaccinations, do any of you consider the implications to people like myself. I have been vaccinated but for some reason while pregnant my body shows a non immune response to the disease therefore i am able to pick up all the nasties that i should be immunised against. Due to this, i contracted Rubella from an un immunised child while i was pregnant, we lost him at 23wks on the 19/10/06.
Maybe you should all consider this when making your desisions and weigh up the pros and cons of your desision, the risks of immunisation are low but the risks to not immunise are great when you think about the ill health the child could get if it contracts something that it can be immunised against and they are devastating for people like myself who show a non immune respose, and i am not the only person who has this condition.
Please make your choices wisely

:hugs: Im so sorry that you lost your angel.

Im a non vaxxer, my child will not be getting the MMR until a later age. I will be honest with you, my child comes 1st before a pregnant lady. My child is my priority and i would assume that you would feel the same way.

I have done a lot of research, and i have weighed up the pros and cons. the risks and the benifiets and for me, the risks of the Vaxxes are too high, the outweigh the benifiets.

I admit that the measles do scare me, i hope to god that my child doesn't contract it but until they seperate the MMR i can't risk giving it to him. German measles has minor risks for my son, it doesn't scare me and mumps not so much either.

I also don't absorb the rubella needle. If i ever plan to fall pregnant again i will be planning on having the rubella vax just before TTC to make sure that i will have some cover.

Its not an easy decision, we don't go into it blindsighted, i have considered that the possibilty of him exposing rubella to a pregnant lady is there, but as i said above i have to consider the best for my children above anything else.

I have read some horrible stories of babies dying or having horrible complications from having the MMR

[naiwen]

Mumps can cause infertility in boys

[shed]

I feel the same way as jaxcoop.

Please don't think non-vaxers take their decision lightly. They don't. Not at all. its a huge decision and DH and I are constantly re-evaluating our decision not to expose our son to the vaccines yet.

I am constantly looking for reasons to vaccinate. I would love to be able to, its such a hassle being a non-vaxer, you have to present the CO form and explain it to everyone as well as put up with comments from people who think your child is festy and disease ridden.

I just can't bring myself to vaccinate my baby yet. When he is older I will definitely get him to join the herd to provide herd immunity to protect our most vulnerable, but at the moment he is among the most vulnerable as all little children are in my opinion. Its our job to protect them, not the other way around.

That said, I feel very sorry for your loss misskelz7 and would be very angry if I was in your shoes. I understand your feelings and think it was a terrible tragedy that you were exposed to this disease whilst being pregnant and having no immunity. That is very sad and very very unlucky. Is it just the vaccine that you absorb or the actual disease as well i.e. now that you have had the actual disease do you have natural immunity now or will you never have it?

Once again, I am very sorry to hear your story and want you to know that we don't take our decision lightly at all. We are just doing what we think is best for our precious little boy just the same as other parents do for their children.

[JabberJaw]

To everyone that has replied to my posts, i totally respect your decision not to give your babies the mmr needle but i just wanted to give others a different perspective.

shed : My body "forgets" that it has been immunized and therefore gives no protection to rubella etc. I showed no symptoms of rubella when i was pregnant i just had a really bad flu like illness and spent a few days in bed, i went to doc who said it was just the flu and that my symptoms are severe due to being pregnant.....fast forward about 6 weeks and i had a scan (routine) and that is when i found out we had lost our little man, he had stopped growing (IUGR) at approx 18 wks (when i had flu like symptoms) and soldiered on fighting for 6 more wks before we found out we lost him. We choose to have an autopsy on him to be sure that it was not a congenital abnormality in case we had future children, all they could find was rubella, everything else was perfect. They believe he died the day before i had the scan. I also had millions of blood test which showed the rubella was in my system. I have since had other blood test and my immune levels are where they are suppose to be no booster needed. There is a name for the condition but i am unsure what it is. The same thing happened with my recent addition and i had non immunity showing in all my blood tests, and due to paranoia i stayed home for most of my pregnancy to avoid de-ja-vu.

Good luck to everyone whatever your choice...

[delirium]

shed : My body "forgets" that it has been immunized and therefore gives no protection to rubella etc. I showed no symptoms of rubella when i was pregnant i just had a really bad flu like illness and spent a few days in bed, i went to doc who said it was just the flu and that my symptoms are severe due to being pregnant.....fast forward about 6 weeks and i had a scan (routine) and that is when i found out we had lost our little man, he had stopped growing (IUGR) at approx 18 wks (when i had flu like symptoms) and soldiered on fighting for 6 more wks before we found out we lost him. We choose to have an autopsy on him to be sure that it was not a congenital abnormality in case we had future children, all they could find was rubella, everything else was perfect. They believe he died the day before i had the scan. I also had millions of blood test which showed the rubella was in my system. I have since had other blood test and my immune levels are where they are suppose to be no booster needed. There is a name for the condition but i am unsure what it is. The same thing happened with my recent addition and i had non immunity showing in all my blood tests, and due to paranoia i stayed home for most of my pregnancy to avoid de-ja-vu.

Good luck to everyone whatever your choice...

:hugs: How terrible for you. :hugs:

[delirium]

Please don't think non-vaxers take their decision lightly. They don't. Not at all. its a huge decision and DH and I are constantly re-evaluating our decision not to expose our son to the vaccines yet.



ITA. Those I have known who haven't vaxed have put a good deal of time into research and discussion with their families. I don't know of anyone that doesn't vax just because they are lazy and couldn't care. Of late I think parents on the whole have become more informed on the issue of vaxing. I suppose dfferent people just come away with different conclusions.

[Josh]

:hugs: Im so sorry that you lost your angel.

Im a non vaxxer, my child will not be getting the MMR until a later age. I will be honest with you, my child comes 1st before a pregnant lady. My child is my priority and i would assume that you would feel the same way.

I have done a lot of research, and i have weighed up the pros and cons. the risks and the benifiets and for me, the risks of the Vaxxes are too high, the outweigh the benifiets.

I admit that the measles do scare me, i hope to god that my child doesn't contract it but until they seperate the MMR i can't risk giving it to him. German measles has minor risks for my son, it doesn't scare me and mumps not so much either.

I also don't absorb the rubella needle. If i ever plan to fall pregnant again i will be planning on having the rubella vax just before TTC to make sure that i will have some cover.

Its not an easy decision, we don't go into it blindsighted, i have considered that the possibilty of him exposing rubella to a pregnant lady is there, but as i said above i have to consider the best for my children above anything else.

I have read some horrible stories of babies dying or having horrible complications from having the MMR

Well jaxcoop, I cant speak for all mums but for me personally I will always consider pregnant women as well as my own kids health, especially when it comes to something so sinister as rubella, how would you like it if you were in that situation where you had no immunity and you contracted rubella from an un vaxed person whilst you were pregnant, I can only assume that you would be wanting some answers Hmmm.

[Fuchsia!]

Well jaxcoop, I cant speak for all mums but for me personally I will always consider pregnant women as well as my own kids health, especially when it comes to something so sinister as rubella, how would you like it if you were in that situation where you had no immunity and you contracted rubella from an un vaxed person whilst you were pregnant, I can only assume that you would be wanting some answers Hmmm.

Of course i take pregnant women into consideration, but as i said my child health comes 1st above anyone elses and vaxxing my child is not something i wish to do.

If i were to contract rubella while pregnant i would NOT be blaming a young child. It is not their responibilty to make sure i am safe. It is MY responsibility. If i could not asborb the MMR vaccine then that is my fault and my own problem, not an innocent child.

Can i just add to though that non vaxxed children are not always the only carriers of this diesese but also vaxxed child, Adults, the elderly. People who are not aware that the vax has worn off. Its is up to each individual to keep their vaxxes up to date.

And my belief is that Rubella is not sinister to the child, it is a very mild diesese and doesn't usually have any complications.

[Josh]

Of course i take pregnant women into consideration, but as i said my child health comes 1st above anyone elses and vaxxing my child is not something i wish to do.

If i were to contract rubella while pregnant i would NOT be blaming a young child. It is not their responibilty to make sure i am safe. It is MY responsibility. If i could not asborb the MMR vaccine then that is my fault and my own problem, not an innocent child.

Can i just add to though that non vaxxed children are not always the only carriers of this diesese but also vaxxed child, Adults, the elderly. People who are not aware that the vax has worn off. Its is up to each individual to keep their vaxxes up to date.

And my belief is that Rubella is not sinister to the child, it is a very mild diesese and doesn't usually have any complications.

In most cases rubella is fatal to an unborn child, so thats why we like to see the broader community vaxed for it.

happybirthdayto my chicken pox survivor DD:flowerz:

[Fuchsia!]

In most cases rubella is fatal to an unborn child, so thats why we like to see the broader community vaxed for it.

happybirthdayto my chicken pox survivor DD:flowerz:

Im not talking about unborn children. The unborn child is still the pregnant ladies responsibilty, not my childs

[JabberJaw]

If i were to contract rubella while pregnant i would NOT be blaming a young child. It is not their responibilty to make sure i am safe. It is MY responsibility. If i could not asborb the MMR vaccine then that is my fault and my own problem, not an innocent child.

.


Oh my..... I would never blame an innocent child, i blame the Parents of the child who decided not to immunise it

I wonder if your feelings would change if it was you who lost there child????

I am now choosing to no longer to participate in this post as its starting to infuriate me. I only posted to give people a different perspective but it appears you non immunisers believe your way is the right way so i will not continue to argue any longer.

[Jakois]

Oh my..... I would never blame an innocent child, i blame the Parents of the child who decided not to immunise it

I wonder if your feelings would change if it was you who lost there child????

I am now choosing to no longer to participate in this post as its starting to infuriate me. I only posted to give people a different perspective but it appears you non immunisers believe your way is the right way so i will not continue to argue any longer.
:hugs::hugs:.

[Josh]

Im not talking about unborn children. The unborn child is still the pregnant ladies responsibilty, not my childs

''The unborn child is still the pregnant ladies responsibility''. Are you aware of how a pregnant woman would catch rubella, it would be from someone who is has the disease obviously, and that could be anyone including your own child so therefore it would turn the focus back on making sure our community is safe from these types of vaccine preventable diseases, also the pregnant lady would be relying on all of us to help her out to keep her safe.:flowerz:

[naiwen]

Misskelz77,

I do understand where you are coming from, I have never lost a little angel but my boy was 10 weeks early and his immune system was suppressed for almost 9 months after birth. This meant that even though we have him immunised they dont take very well and he was still at very high risk from the diseases, also his lungs were in a bad way which put him at risk.

If he had been exposed to a disease like german measles at 5 months old he would have had a 50/50 survival chance as he had white blood cell issues.

Some people vax for their kids and also to try and protect the vunerable in our community.

And am very gratefull to them all!

[prideNJoy]

Let's not forgot that it's not just un-immunised children that pass on VPD. ;)



For up to 90 days children given polio, measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox live virus vaccines can transmit the infection to others and can develop the disease themselves.



Taken from here (http://ecobites.com/eco-news-articles/natural-health/68-vaccinations-what-is-going-on).

[Phyllis Stein]

I think the point Jax is making is valid. It sounds callous on the surface, but it's not at all like that. I, like all parents, see my primary responsibility as being to the health of my baby. If I truly believe that vaxing him will expose him to health risks that outweigh any benefit to him, I could not, in all conscience, vax him for the reason that it might lessen the risk to another child.

It's an emotive topic, but I do believe most parents act in what they believe are the best interests of their own child/ren. If I asked a staunch vaxer not to vax their child, due to the risks it might pose to my own, I'd expect them to say no. It's essentially the same thing.

[Mummaholic]

Interesting but I agree the studies are biased. Let's have both sides presented people, otherwise it looks suspicious to me.

I am a well informed vaxer that does read studies that offer alternate view points, am yet to be convinced that the vaccines are more risky than not vaxing. The outbreaks that have happened when large scale vaxing is stopped is a warning.

My grandfather was another that had polio in childhood, he has permanent issues, a limp from one leg in effect now being shorter than the other. He had a mild case.

[Fuchsia!]

Oh my..... I would never blame an innocent child, i blame the Parents of the child who decided not to immunise it

I wonder if your feelings would change if it was you who lost there child????

I am now choosing to no longer to participate in this post as its starting to infuriate me. I only posted to give people a different perspective but it appears you non immunisers believe your way is the right way so i will not continue to argue any longer.

Thank you for your perspective, i think that its great that you can talk about it.

Honestly i wouldn't know how i would feel if it would happen to me. I wouldn't know until i am in that situation.

My way isn't the only way. Its my way that is right for my family. With the information i have and my instincts that i have it is telling me that vaxxing isn't right for my family.

I have nothing against people who vax, it is what is right for their family.

As someone else said above, it isn't just non vaxxed kids that are spreading the dieseses. It can be anyone.

Im sorry its making you furious, it isn't my intention at all :hugs:

[melbdad]

:iagree::yelclap::)
If immunisation is both totally effective and without detrimental side effect, I would incline to think that all non-vax should get their children vaccinated.

But alas, immunisation still has so many grey areas. Even medical experts doesnt agree on many fundamental issues, I think its pointless and heartbreaking for us parents (who are not trained in this area) to fight over it. The bad guys are the germs, bacteria, viruses out there which should be the ones we should watch out for.


The thing is, very few studies even are conclusive in a watertight way. Every single study needs to be looked at in respect to what it includes/ doesn't include. Some studies that have conclusions that support vaccination, also have weaknesses, just as some that find risks in vax do. The best way I can work out my 'truth' is just to read as much as possible and build up a bigger picture.

DS is completely unvaxed to date, but that may change in the future. The link in the OP is very helpful - thank you!

[Sarahmum24]

I thought you all might like to read someone's experience who has a weakened immune system, I have a severe case of Thrombocytopenia, a rare blood disorder that attacks bone marrow and kills your immune system, I have the immune system of someone with leukemia esp whilst pregnant.

While I was pregnant I unknowingly came into contact with a child who wasn't vaccinated, it was a friends child and at the time I thought every1 vaccinated there children, she soon let me know that wasn't true. So I contracted chicken pox, I got it more severe then a normal vaccinated person would and that was with me getting booster shots, I was hospitalised for a few weeks whilst they pumped my blood with steroids to boost my immune system so it could help fight off the infection, it's not afe to stay on these steroids for too long as it causes Osteoporosis, anyway I got better and with the help of me being vaccinated and the steroids by body fought it off. So when my son was born I was told he would get Chicken pox, 1 month later and yep he did, luckily he didn't get a severe case of it because I got a booster shot whilst I was pregnant.

I have to get booster shots every 2 years because of course i'm more susceptable to these diseases. I for 1 am very grateful scientists created vaccinations because in a time when there was none I would have died.

I don't have contact with my friend and her non vaxed child, simply because it puts my life at risk, nothing against her and others but I have to protect myself. I'm also very cautious when I take my children to school, i'm in and out. I also have to be aware that all children could be carrying one of these diseases, there are lots of carryers out there that have no signs or symptoms, they are simply that a carryer, but in a vaxed child they are more likely not to be carrying, but that's not saying every non vaxed child is, I can't say that because it's not true.

As all my specialists have told me, all vaccinations do is supress the disease not destroy it all together.

[Josh]

Thanks for sharing your story Sarahmum24, my DD also got chicken pox as a baby and it was life threatening as well, we have no control over who is carrying a disease, it's something that we as a community have to put up with I'm afraid,

[jayisa02]

Just because a child is unvacinated does not mean they are a walking carrier of infectious illnesses. The amount of people who think this absolutley astounds me! :confused::confused::confused:

Vaccinated kids can get chicken pox or any other disease. Vaccination is no guarantee that a person cannot get the illness. :no:

[shed]

Lots of people who get all the other vaxes don't get the chicken pox one either. Its a relatively new vaccine so there are alot of unvaccinated people out there, not just kids.

[Fuchsia!]

Just because a child is unvacinated does not mean they are a walking carrier of infectious illnesses. The amount of people who think this absolutley astounds me! :confused::confused::confused:

Vaccinated kids can get chicken pox or any other disease. Vaccination is no guarantee that a person cannot get the illness. :no:

I could name at least 4 children who have been vaxxed and still contracted CP. And i don't know any non vaxxed kids who have had CP.

I also know ALOT of adults who have also never had CP and haven't had the CP vax. SO really it could be anyone.

The person you bump into in the street, your next door neighbour, the kid at the park, the elderly man at the bus stop. Its could be anyone!

[jayisa02]

I could name at least 4 children who have been vaxxed and still contracted CP. And i don't know any non vaxxed kids who have had CP.

I also know ALOT of adults who have also never had CP and haven't had the CP vax. SO really it could be anyone.

The person you bump into in the street, your next door neighbour, the kid at the park, the elderly man at the bus stop. Its could be anyone!

:iagree: my DS caught CP before he was old enough for the vax. We didnt know anyone who had CP nor had he been with any kids. We concluded he got it from the supermarket??? I also know someone who has had cp twice.

[Sarahmum24]

Everyone is at risk of contracting Chicken Pox weather your vaccinated or not, but depending on your immunity will determine how severe a person will contract it, this goes with all diseases.

[shed]

Everyone is at risk of contracting Chicken Pox weather your vaccinated or not, but depending on your immunity will determine how severe a person will contract it, this goes with all diseases.

so even someone who had been vaccinated and didn't have a disease severely could pass it on.

So its not just the unvaxed after all?

[Sarahmum24]

Yes of course they can, and no it's not!