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the_queen
24-04-2006, 10:27
The actual growth charts haven't been published as yet but I will be following the story and will post a link to the charts when they are published.

:D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2147863,00.html


Mothers got wrong advice for 40 years
Sarah-Kate Templeton, Medical Correspondent

BREAST-FEEDING mothers have been given potentially harmful advice on infant nutrition for the past 40 years, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has admitted.

Charts used in Britain for decades to advise mothers on a baby’s optimum size have been based on the growth rates of infants fed on formula milk.

The organisation now says the advice given to millions of breast-feeding mothers was distorted because babies fed on formula milk put on weight far faster.

These breast-feeding mothers were wrongly told that their babies were underweight and were advised, or felt pressured, to fatten them up by giving them formula milk or extra solids.

Health experts believe the growth charts may have contributed to childhood obesity and associated problems such as diabetes and heart disease in later life. A government study has found that more than a quarter of children in English secondary schools are clinically obese, almost double the proportion a decade ago.

This week, the WHO will publish new growth standards based on a study of more than 8,000 breast-fed babies from six countries around the world. They will say the optimum size is that of a breast-fed baby.

The move will put pressure on British doctors to replace charts which, for the last four decades, have taken into account the growth patterns of bottle-fed babies.

Professor Tim Cole, of the Institute of Child Health at University College London, said: “We should change to a growth chart based on breast-fed babies. During their first year they do not put on as much weight as those fed on formula milk. Breast-fed babies are less likely to be fat later in life and to develop complications such as diabetes and heart disease.”

Six years ago, Cole developed an alternative chart based on breast-fed babies but it has never been endorsed by the British medical establishment. The Child Growth Foundation, a UK charity, campaigns for the adoption of Cole’s chart.

The foundation claims breast-fed babies are, on average, at 22lb at 12 months, about 1lb lighter than those fed solely on formula milk. It is thought that breast-fed babies grow more slowly in the first year because they control the rate at which they feed, rather than being tied to their parents’ notion of meal times.

Mercedes de Onis, who co-ordinates WHO child growth standards, said: “Breast-fed babies appear to self-regulate their energy intake to lower
levels. Breast-fed babies have different metabolic rates and different sleeping patterns. Formula-fed babies seem to have higher intakes of energy and, as a result, are heavier.”

The American Academy of Pediatrics has warned that being overweight as a baby is a key early risk factor for heart disease and diabetes.

The babies who were the models for the new WHO standards were selected for good health. They were all breast-fed, their mothers did not smoke and they received good health care.

The WHO says babies should be fed solely on breast milk for up to six months. In Britain, fewer than 10% of babies are getting only breast milk by this age.

The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health is to meet this summer to discuss the new WHO standards.

The Department of Health said: “Once WHO publishes the new growth charts we will assess the need for revisions to the UK growth charts.”

elissas
24-04-2006, 10:43
Awesome!! Bout time. I'm emailing this to all my friends and family!

That has happened to so many of my friends. Most were ff their bubs by 3mths because they hadn't gained "enough" weight, so obviously their milk wasn't good enough :rolleyes: (according to the nurses).

BTW - where does that leave my DS? He's fully bf, will be 4mths on Wednesday and is nearly 8kg!!:eek: Should I be scared? ;)

tanni_83
24-04-2006, 10:45
wow this is great information, thank you!!!
i heard somewhere that the little books you get when ur baby is born to record all their details in etc are having the breast feeding growth charts inserted into them soon. not sure if it was true, just heard it on the grapefine so to speak.
im so glad that this information is now 'out there' as i have had a few comments on my dd weight as she is fully breast fed and not propperly on solids yet (11mths old) and she is on the lower lines on the charts. while im the ones telling them that ive seeked professional medical advice and everything is FINE!! (my mother being on the the main ones)

the_queen
24-04-2006, 10:46
LOL as my husband would say, "he's a boob man, nothing wrong with that" ;)

tanni_83
24-04-2006, 10:47
go the booby babies :smiliedance: lol

the_queen
24-04-2006, 10:49
Good for you Tanni!!! Look at that gorgeous pic of your little girl, she is obviously so healthy and happy!!

Of course I'll wait and see what my new bubba is like as an individual, but I've read a lot recently about delaying solids until 12 months, if baby is agreeable of course. The longer I only have that sweet-smelling breastfed-poo to deal with, the better, I say!! Vallerie used to only poo once a week when she was breastfeeding. Of course, now that I've said that out loud, this one will probably be one of those poo's-5-times-a-day BF bubba's!!!!:p

elissas
24-04-2006, 10:56
Once a week - I wish! I love it now that Will is ONLY pooing 2-3 times a day. The first couple of months it was 3-5 times :banghead:. And misdirected. I was forever changing his clothes. Good thing it was Summer, I left him in a singlet and nappy half the time I was so sick of washing.

Maybe my next one will be a once-a-weeker. NB Dreamy face on now...

elissas
24-04-2006, 10:57
LOL as my husband would say, "he's a boob man, nothing wrong with that" ;)

Yep, that's the joke here too ;) And he still won't take a bottle of ebm (and I tried a dummy a couple of times when he was sick and that got spat clear across the room).

DH reckons he has a finely tuned silicone detector that will hold him in good stead later on in life... :detective:

the_queen
24-04-2006, 11:01
:laughing: :laughing: silicon detector :laughing: :laughing:

tanni_83
24-04-2006, 11:08
im not alone yay. elise wouldnt and still wont take a dummy, she just chews on the outside hard plastic section lol and as for a bottle, only yesterday she discovered you can actually suck out of it not just use the teat as a teathing ring. i wont be encouraging it though as she likes to drink from a cup and thats just 1 less weaning problem i dont want/need

as for poos elise is mainly a once a dayer... :D so its not so bad. and the fact i have no sense of smell makes it even better :laughing:

elissas
24-04-2006, 11:14
How old is Elise? And what age did she start on a sippy cup?

The reason I ask is that I need Will to take ebm for the occasional feed (I'll be running an after school singing programme and will need my mum to look after him for a couple of hours a week), and I'd really like DH to do a feed here and there so I can get some solid sleep occasionally. The longest stretch I've had in 4 mths is 3.5hrs, and I still feel fine, but would feel fantastic if I could catch up on sleep some nights.

I don't care how he has it - if he wants a cup that's fine. But 4mths seems a bit young to go the cup. I'm thinking of getting a giant syringe so that they know they can feed him if worst comes to worse.

misskittyfantastico
24-04-2006, 11:26
Awesome!! Bout time. I'm emailing this to all my friends and family!

That has happened to so many of my friends. Most were ff their bubs by 3mths because they hadn't gained "enough" weight, so obviously their milk wasn't good enough :rolleyes: (according to the nurses).

BTW - where does that leave my DS? He's fully bf, will be 4mths on Wednesday and is nearly 8kg!!:eek: Should I be scared? ;)


My DD's a booby girl too and was dead on 8kgs at her 6 month checkup! People were astounded that she wasn't on solids (I started her at 6 months and we're taking it slow). It's good to know that there's another bonny booby babe around:D

tanni_83
24-04-2006, 11:28
sorry not a sippy cup just a normal cup. she sips from a normal cup. she likes to chew on the spout of sippy cups too. and i only give her water or (diluted) juice out of it. as fas as shes concerned milk comes from mummy, no where else :rolleyes:

Sherrie
24-04-2006, 14:44
My BF baby was 13kg at 11 months. Up to that point shed barely had solids, lucky to get a few baby spoonfuls in a day. I have bad news in that once you try solids and they start to smell that doesn't change no matter if they have more solids or not, must be a bacteria thing, or atleast that was how it was for her.

I don't feed her rubbish either, no biscuits, teethings rusks, juice etc... *shrug*

I also think of her as tall, I have seen her next to babies the same age a couple of times now and there is a big difference so I don't think I wanna see the new charts as shes probably already off the FF ones :rolleyes:

Mind you shes very clever and strong so I don't think of it as a bad thing. The only thing she is noticably behind others in is her eating of solids but then maybe thats how its meant to be I don't know...

HoopDeeDoo
24-04-2006, 15:08
My son was fully breastfed, and started out at 5 lb 4, and quickly jumped to the 90th percentile on the FF charts, I would have hated to see what he was on a BF chart :laughing:

lukaelmo
24-04-2006, 15:17
Thank goodness, the dude can perhaps now finally get himself onto a percentile chart :yelclap: .

I am perhaps a tad disappointed that I wasn't surveyed for these new stats though, the dude and I could have lowered the weight guidelines even more :laughing: .

Tam-I-Am
25-04-2006, 23:11
:smiliedance: yay for breastfed bubs! That's great news!:smiliedance:

But my DD will be off the charts now - she was exclusively breastfed for the first 6 months - but has always been on the 75th - 90th percentile of the growth charts :eek: I can only imagine what her weight gains would have been like if she was formula-fed!

Elfin
25-04-2006, 23:14
I just wish this new chart was around when I had my babies. The MCHN chart was the bain of my existence. My babies were always in the bottom 10 percentile, so lots of pressure to gain weight hence the introduction of formula and gradual decline in breastfeeding. I think this will be a really positive step forward.

tanni_83
29-04-2006, 18:32
Just seen an update on the news. apparently its up to the government to update the books and since this was just done (using US stats) it doesnt look like its going to happen again any time soon :thumbsdown: :( correct me if im wrong, but that was my understanding of it :confused:

hmm wonder if we can get a chart off the net somewhere and just print it out and do it ourselves :idea:

Elfin
29-04-2006, 18:34
This is sad. But at least if women know that breast fed babies put on weight at different rates and the charts used by mchns are based on formula fed babies, it might at least help a bit. We can only hope.

tanni_83
29-04-2006, 18:38
yes it is very sad.

whats even more sad is the fact that i was the one who told my h/n that the chart was formula based. i dont think she really believed me, as she pushed some weaning to solids pamphlets into my booklet case :rolleyes:

JE's Mum
30-04-2006, 14:14
Not sure if anyone has already given the link to this yet but they have breastfed only charts on the Kellymom breastfeeding website. Worth a look. My DS followed these charts to the letter! I wish I had known about them when he was younger - it would have saved a lot of worrying.

http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/growth/growthcharts.html

jessgray
30-04-2006, 16:02
the charts look just like the ones in my child health book?:confused:

Goosie22
30-04-2006, 20:56
Here are the WHO charts for those interested.

girls (http://www.who.int/nutrition/media_page/cht_wfa_girls_z_0_5.pdf) boys (http://www.who.int/nutrition/media_page/cht_wfa_boys_z_0_5.pdf)

tanni_83
30-04-2006, 21:03
hmmm that chart seems to be a tad confusing :confused: hopefully ill get the hang of it :o

is there only one on weight, where can i look to see if there are any others on length and head circumferences ?

Goosie22
30-04-2006, 21:12
It is on the same principal as the old ones, which are weight down one side and age down another. The lines are called percentiles, 50 being the middle or most babies.


height

girls (http://www.who.int/nutrition/media_page/cht_lhfa_girls_z_0_5.pdf) Boys (http://www.who.int/nutrition/media_page/cht_lhfa_boys_z_0_5.pdf)

mysonroger
30-04-2006, 21:37
are these the new charts. hasn't made any real difference to where my DD or DS sit in relation to the percentiles on the chart.............hmmmm . is it meant too though, because at the age of 12 mths the difference was only 1lb. ( i think that's what i read).
my Health nurse was great; she said it was ok if bub was on the lowest percentile as long as they stayed consistent with that. there was only concern about dropping weight, not where you were in relation to a percentile. but i know some mothers worried if they compared their children to others who were bigger.

Goosie22
30-04-2006, 21:47
I dont know how these charts compare, all I know is that I would take more notice of how my child was in general not just focus on his/weight.

Because everyone is different.