Genuine Question

[chicky2lala]

I'm asking all the pro circu's out there.......If you had a daughter, and there was a 10% risk of her getting an infection in her clitoral hood over the period of her life......and removing a little girls clitoral hood was as available as circumcision in boys........would you get your little girl 'done'???:confused:

[Ange&Seth]

Not at all. You need to realise that the risk of infection isn't the only reason that some of us choose this for our children.

[miloand4]

hmm good point I like it. what about would you get it done if you had it done to you as a baby or because your mother put preasurre on you to or it was your cultural belief I like my bits intact

[onemummmy]

maybe you could have included "what if there were 'studies' that it reduced the chance of STDs etc?' or 'cos it looks cleaner/better/my partner had it done?'

[chicky2lala]

Not at all. You need to realise that the risk of infection isn't the only reason that some of us choose this for our children.
That's a really good point! Im wondering, could you quickly list some other reasons for me? Im not sure i know of many more.

I guess I was just wondering, if all circumstances were the same for boys and girls, having clitoral hoods ourselves, would we remove our little girls's like people do their lil boys?

[chicky2lala]

maybe you could have included or 'cos it looks cleaner/better/my partner had it done?'
Hmmm, I really don't think they'r good enough reasons to get it done......:no:

[onemummmy]

Hmmm, I really don't think they'r good enough reasons to get it done......:no:
I was just saying those as I have read them used as reasons for boys so I thought why not as reasons for girls if you get me.

[Ange&Seth]

That's a really good point! Im wondering, could you quickly list some other reasons for me? Im not sure i know of many more.

With all due respect Chicky, I'm completely over listing the reasons and being picked to pieces. As parents, we all make choices every day about what we think is best for our children, and this is a choice DF and I made for our son - believing that it was in his best interests. So no, I won't list any other reasons for you :D

I wanted to say though that eventhough you are quite obviously anti-circ, I think you have a very diplomatic way of articulating your interest in the other side.

Also wanted to point out that I'm not anti or pro - I just believe it's a choice every parent makes. By not circing, parents are also making a choice - they're CHOOSING not to circ. So again, I say we're all just making the choice that we believe is in our child's best interests.

:flowerz:

[Ange&Seth]

Hmmm, I really don't think they'r good enough reasons to get it done......:no:

Is any reason going to be good enough though? And I meant that as a genuine question also.

I have seen members here be put down because they had their sons circ'd for a medical reason - but some anti-circ members believed that these parents hadn't gotten enough 'second opinions' or tried different treatments. So, eventhough there was a medical reason, it still doesn't seem to be reason enough for some people.

[chicky2lala]

Is any reason going to be good enough though? And I meant that as a genuine question also.

I have seen members here be put down because they had their sons circ'd for a medical reason - but some anti-circ members believed that these parents hadn't gotten enough 'second opinions' or tried different treatments. So, eventhough there was a medical reason, it still doesn't seem to be reason enough for some people.
Hmm, that's a really tough question for me. There was a lady last week who started a thread called ' I must be Crazy' who gave her reasons for circing her son.........I found it hard, and hard because I found myself understanding the reasons why she chose to get her son done. That was hard for me to handle because im very anti circ, but yeah, some reasons are good enough for me.:)

[Mamalicious]

Genuine question to the pro circers is in the discuss it area....:p

To answer the question, no, I wouldn't get my daughters done, it's not such a big deal, whereas boys get circumcised.

Yep, there are Muslims against circumcision, we don't follow that line of thought, so it doesn't apply to us. Boys get circ'd.

[WorkingClassMum]

Is any reason going to be good enough though? And I meant that as a genuine question also.

I have seen members here be put down because they had their sons circ'd for a medical reason - but some anti-circ members believed that these parents hadn't gotten enough 'second opinions' or tried different treatments. So, eventhough there was a medical reason, it still doesn't seem to be reason enough for some people.

very well put:thumbsup:

[Mamalicious]

Yep, Ange&Seth is right, we can state our reasons till we're blue in the face, but it's rare that someone will go "Ok, they had their reasons, I'll drop it now".

[Ange&Seth]

Hmm, that's a really tough question for me. There was a lady last week who started a thread called ' I must be Crazy' who gave her reasons for circing her son.........I found it hard, and hard because I found myself understanding the reasons why she chose to get her son done. That was hard for me to handle because im very anti circ, but yeah, some reasons are good enough for me.:)


Well then you know most of our reasons for circing our son also - they are virtually identical to GiftofLife's :yes:

[WorkingClassMum]

Yep, Ange&Seth is right, we can state our reasons till we're blue in the face, but it's rare that someone will go "Ok, they had their reasons, I'll drop it now".


That is the problem isn't it?:idea:

[NewBeginnings]

Absolutely not. 10% is next to nothing in my books.....

I don't think any sort of genital modification to either sex is appropriate or needed.... until there has been REPEAT infections or problems time and time again.... THEN and only THEN would I even think of doing it to either sexed child!

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

It's a pity more people do not answer the question. I think it's because it's quite a shocking one. God no we would never ever circ our daughters?
However because it is still accepted by alot of the community to circ boys -people just think it's ok- even though many of those reasons have been proven to be untrue.
That is the reason most Dr's do not routine circ any more - because there is no good reason for it, and it is an unkind procedure to do to a baby. Years ago nearly every baby boy was circd and when the medical profession knew better (for the most part) they did better. This is what happens with most out of date medical practices- I mean labotomies used to be a far more regular occurence as well.
Circ isn't practiced much except by out of date, out of touch Drs- you know the ones- there are allways those out there who still think it's ok to give a baby a shot of whisky in the bottle to put them to sleep at night, despite evidence to the contrary. When we all know it isn't so. Same with circing.:)

[Lollie86]

No I wouldnt get it done.

Im not anti circ or pro circ. I believe its every parents right to do what they believe is in the best interests of their child. For me personally its not something I would do, but I would never question as to why another parent would do it.

[OJandMe]

I would never get a girl circed.

Because your hypothetical is just that.... hypothetical.

There is no reason, and never will be a reason for a girl to be circed.

The only thing it serves to do is reduce sexual function. Nothing more.

Male circ has many different reasons for being done, and the deliberate reduction of sexual pleasure to keep a man 'pure' and diminish sexual desire, is not one of them.

[OJandMe]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about FEMALE circumcision????

So how come it always ends back at penises...

[bubs_and_us]

I would never get a girl circed.

Because your hypothetical is just that.... hypothetical.

There is no reason, and never will be a reason for a girl to be circed.

The only thing it serves to do is reduce sexual function. Nothing more.

Male circ has many different reasons for being done, and the deliberate reduction of sexual pleasure to keep a man 'pure' and diminish sexual desire, is not one of them.

:iagree::yelclap:

[delirium]

I would never get a girl circed.

Because your hypothetical is just that.... hypothetical.

There is no reason, and never will be a reason for a girl to be circed.

The only thing it serves to do is reduce sexual function. Nothing more.

Male circ has many different reasons for being done, and the deliberate reduction of sexual pleasure to keep a man 'pure' and diminish sexual desire, is not one of them.

:iagree: :yelclap:

[xkwzit]

OJ has reminded us that this thread has strayed a bit from the OP:


I'm asking all the pro circu's out there.......If you had a daughter, and there was a 10% risk of her getting an infection in her clitoral hood over the period of her life......and removing a little girls clitoral hood was as available as circumcision in boys........would you get your little girl 'done'???

I have also had to edit some posts for language. We have guidelines for language (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=120819) used when posting in any of the circ sections. Any more posts in this thread that require editing will receive infractions.

Thanks

[grass is always greener]

To simply answer the OPs questions, no i wouldnt get my daughter circ for those reasons or any other.

[naiwen]

I would not get my daughter or my son circed unless absolutely medically neccessary.

[Shajbm]

We have 3 sons and all are circd, due to religious reasons we had it done.

Would I circ my daughter if I had one? Our religion doesn't circ females, so I guess no, however, if I was part of a religion that did, then I would.

I may not agree to it, but sometimes the rules that govern a religion are stronger than our own beliefs.


Yep, Ange&Seth is right, we can state our reasons till we're blue in the face, but it's rare that someone will go "Ok, they had their reasons, I'll drop it now".

Well said.



Circ isn't practiced much except by out of date, out of touch Drs- you know the ones- there are allways those out there who still think it's ok to give a baby a shot of whisky in the bottle to put them to sleep at night, despite evidence to the contrary. When we all know it isn't so. Same with circing.:)

Not all circs are practised by out of date, out of touch drs.

[Milliner]

I may not agree to it, but sometimes the rules that govern a religion are stronger than our own beliefs.





So, you would do something you don't agree with because a religion says so? Where would you draw the line? :confused:

I guess I just can't understand why anyone would do something that they felt was wrong or they didn't agree with because of a religion, but hey I'm far from religious so that may be something that I will never understand.

[reAllytee]

I have seen members here be put down because they had their sons circ'd for a medical reason - but some anti-circ members believed that these parents hadn't gotten enough 'second opinions' or tried different treatments. So, eventhough there was a medical reason, it still doesn't seem to be reason enough for some people.

Been there !

I am not pro-circ but yes my boys have been done due to medical issues.

Would I get my daughter done ? No because like I dont get my boys done on some whim neither would I get my daughter because there is no reason for it to happen.

If my daughter had repeated issues &/or problems relating to her genitals just like my boys I would investigate further & consult medical professionals on the matter. Then only if absolutely & completely necessary would I do it.

Does this make me unkind? Maybe to some like with my boys have questioned my reasonings etc but as its me in the situation of having a child in pain, screaming, crying etc then I will be the one to make the decision ( obviously dad too ! ) & I will be the one to wear the consequences of such actions.

[Shajbm]

So, you would do something you don't agree with because a religion says so? Where would you draw the line? :confused:

I guess I just can't understand why anyone would do something that they felt was wrong or they didn't agree with because of a religion, but hey I'm far from religious so that may be something that I will never understand.

I did!! I guess, it's hard to understand unless you're in that situation. A bit like having a preemie baby. Unless you've been there it's hard to understand.

Nevertheless, this issue will always be a controversial one, I just wish that those of us who chose to circumcise, whether it be due to a religion, medical or simply personal are not ridiculed because of that. It makes it uncomfortable to answer questions on these types of threads, making it a lot more 1 sided.

[Lillynix]

I may not agree to it, but sometimes the rules that govern a religion are stronger than our own beliefs.

I'm sorry? You're saying that your religion takes preference over your personal beliefs!?

So if your religion called for mass exodus, even though you personally don't agree with it, you would do it simply because your religion says so!?

How you personally feel about something, especially when reffering to your children should always come first. Don't let outside fources make the decision for you! These are your precious babies and you had them circumcised all because your religion says so...

[chicky2lala]

I did!! I guess, it's hard to understand unless you're in that situation. A bit like having a preemie baby. Unless you've been there it's hard to understand.

Nevertheless, this issue will always be a controversial one, I just wish that those of us who chose to circumcise, whether it be due to a religion, medical or simply personal are not ridiculed because of that. It makes it uncomfortable to answer questions on these types of threads, making it a lot more 1 sided.
Did you actually WANT your children circumcised or where you doing it JUST because your religion says you should??? Surely you must have not been against the idea to begin with???

I believe in God, went to church most of my life, but if he came down and told me Himself to cut my sons foreskin off i'd tell him where to go! My children are the most precious things to me in the world, and come hell or high water I will not let any one, or any religion tell me to cut parts of their body off!!!

[Shajbm]

I'm sorry? You're saying that your religion takes preference over your personal beliefs!?

So if your religion called for mass exodus, even though you personally don't agree with it, you would do it simply because your religion says so!?

How you personally feel about something, especially when reffering to your children should always come first. Don't let outside fources make the decision for you! These are your precious babies and you had them circumcised all because your religion says so...

It's not quite the same thing. If your religion said no sex before marriage, would you have sex? If your religion says to eat certain foods, would you?

Yes I did have them circumcised all because my religion says so and I will do so again if I ever have any other boys and if my boys have sons they will be doing the same thing to their sons.

I guess this is the reason why there are many people out there who don't post on these forums. I don't feel that I need to justify my reasons to you as to why we circumcised, just like I don't ask you to justify your reasons for not.

I don't criticise others for their choices or beliefs, and I believe that others should do the same.


Did you actually WANT your children circumcised or where you doing it JUST because your religion says you should??? Surely you must have not been against the idea to begin with???

I believe in God, went to church most of my life, but if he came down and told me Himself to cut my sons foreskin off i'd tell him where to go! My children are the most precious things to me in the world, and come hell or high water I will not let any one, or any religion tell me to cut parts of their body off!!!

What if it's all you know? And your grandfather, father, brother, uncles etc were all done?

G-d tells us to fast for 26hours once on a particular day during the year. It is during this day that He decides who lives, who dies, who miscarries, who gets married, etc etc. It's how you interpret what you're taught. Do I fast? yes. Do I believe He does this? yes.

There are different levels of religion and the question in this thread wasn't about religion. It was whether you would circ your daughter. I simply answered this question. If you'd like to discuss the differences in religions then I'm happy to discuss this off line.

[GiftofLife]

It's not quite the same thing. If your religion said no sex before marriage, would you have sex? If your religion says to eat certain foods, would you?

Yes I did have them circumcised all because my religion says so and I will do so again if I ever have any other boys and if my boys have sons they will be doing the same thing to their sons.

I guess this is the reason why there are many people out there who don't post on these forums. I don't feel that I need to justify my reasons to you as to why we circumcised, just like I don't ask you to justify your reasons for not.

I don't criticise others for their choices or beliefs, and I believe that others should do the same.



What if it's all you know? And your grandfather, father, brother, uncles etc were all done?

G-d tells us to fast for 26hours once on a particular day during the year. It is during this day that He decides who lives, who dies, who miscarries, who gets married, etc etc. It's how you interpret what you're taught. Do I fast? yes. Do I believe He does this? yes.

There are different levels of religion and the question in this thread wasn't about religion. It was whether you would circ your daughter. I simply answered this question. If you'd like to discuss the differences in religions then I'm happy to discuss this off line.

:yelclap: Good on your for having enough faith in your religion to believe in it completely. I am not personally religious and I dare say most of these women aren't either (Not much cheek turning or acceptance going on in here :laughing:), and I guess that's why they don't get it.

The most important thing is that you do. You have faith in something, and imo that can only be a good thing.

I honestly wouldn't bother trying to justify yourself anymore, it's akin to banging your head against a brick wall :laughing: From now on, when someone asks why I circed my sons, I'm just gonna say that I was bored that day and it seemed like a good way to kill a few hours. At least then they will have a reason to get their knickers in a knot!!

[neostudded]

I wouldnt unless it was life or death or affecting my daugthers life and there was nothing else I could do, same as my son.

[Sarahmum24]

My belief on this subject is it is not my choice, it is my son's choice, the reason why I wouldn't even do it for religious reasons is because it is also there choice to be religious and what religion they choose if any.

[angcaltam]

I wouldn't do it unless it was medically necessary, just like my boys. We have one son that is done and one son that isn't done.

But I believe that it is totally up to the parents to make the desision, and nobody has the right to tell them it is right or wrong.

[mizmiz]

i am pro-circ due to religion reasons.

The 2 questions that came to my mind when i read you post was



Is 10% a huge factor - i mean that means that there is a huge 90% chance of not having an infection
Is the infection life threatening

If this was happening to me and i wouldnt do it for the 1. but if it is life threatening then i would definitely have the circ done.

i didnt read all the post so if someone has already mention this....opps.

[Mum2Bella]

i wouldnt get my daughters done

[Blueberry Crumble]

Am I the only one who finds themselves crossing their legs very tightly at the the concept of clitoral hood removal? *shudders*

[Ange&Seth]

I wouldn't do it unless it was medically necessary, just like my boys. We have one son that is done and one son that isn't done.

But I believe that it is totally up to the parents to make the desision, and nobody has the right to tell them it is right or wrong.


Good to see you back here Kath and I totally agree with you :iagree:

[bunintheoven12]

I may not agree to it, but sometimes the rules that govern a religion are stronger than our own beliefs.




thank God I don't follow a religion that to belong to it means I have to hurt my child. It's funny (I'm Catholic and my husband is Jew) that many of the jews I know do the usual thing to their eight day old son yet don't follow many of the other things that Jewish people are supposed to follow. I find it so hypocritical.

[bunintheoven12]

I'm sorry? You're saying that your religion takes preference over your personal beliefs!?

So if your religion called for mass exodus, even though you personally don't agree with it, you would do it simply because your religion says so!?

How you personally feel about something, especially when reffering to your children should always come first. Don't let outside fources make the decision for you! These are your precious babies and you had them circumcised all because your religion says so...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[mizmiz]

Oh Please.....thank God I don't follow a religion that to belong to it means I have to hurt my child. It's funny (I'm Catholic and my husband is Jew) that many of the jews I know do the usual thing to their eight day old son yet don't follow many of the other things that Jewish people are supposed to follow. I find it so hypocritical.

The reason maybe that some religious laws hold higher grounds than others. Therefore, the main religious laws are and must be followed.

[Fuchsia!]

No way, no how would i ever circ either sex. Not my skin to do so.

If there were ever a medical reason i would be finding lots of opinions 1st before chopping it.