Please tell me why circing isn't necessary?

[Hannahsmumma]

I know these threads have a tendancy to turn ugly but I just want honest, knowledgable, factual points on what may go worng or why it is not neccesary to have a boy circumcised.

I do not have a son, my DH is circumcised. I would have no idea what decision I would make if I have a son. My DH would give the generally standard response of " yes of course because I am"! I just want to be informed. I have read all the horror stories on here and yes it does make me feel sick.

Thanks

ETA - Sorry I should have started a new thread.

[Benji]

Oh bum! I missed Desperate Housewives again!!!

I was lucky.. XDP was circ'd and when I was pregnant, knowing we were expecting a boy he thought that he wanted DS to be circ'd. His mum hit the roof when we told her we were thinking it through - she thought we were weird or something because we weren't booking him in asap.

I discussed it with XDP and we decided that we would leave DS and let him make up his own mind as an adult (unless something extreme happened like chronic infections down there or something - thankfully none so far).

[xkwzit]

Hi HM
I've moved your post to a new thread, I think you'll have better luck getting answers.

Cheers

[MummaBear03]

The only reason I've heard for it really is religious. People say for hygeine but no doctor has confirmed it's necessary for hygeine reasons. It's surgically removing a part of the body that a baby is born with. Would you decide that an ear lobe should be removed to avoid having to clean it?

[RedPanda]

I have two sons, and I just didn't even consider circumcising them. There was no medical reason to, therefore I didn't want to expose them to the procedure. It would take an actual medical condition to make me consider circumcision.

[MilkOnTap]

Like Hazellew, neither my family nor my husbands have any penile health issues. At first my husband wanted to get our son done (because he is circ'd) but when I asked him to give me a good reason why that wasn't cosmetic - he couldn't give me one.

If there was any medical reason to get it done post-infection we would certainly consider it more strongly. But right now we are happy to leave him just the way he is supposed to be :)

[julietv8]

My choice not to circ was based on a number of things. The way I see it, its not my foreskin to cut off, if my son chooses to later in life, thats ok, but its his foreskin and therefore his decision. The foreskin plays an important role in sexual function and also in protecting the penis (both hygienically and sensitivity-wise). Its become unpopular, so circumcised boys are going to be in the minority at school. Also, its not necessary to cut it off, why put your baby through trauma for the sake of a procedure that is essentially just cosmetic (not including those who have it done for legitimate medical reasons). One of my friends no longer speaks to his parents because they circumcised him and wont say sorry, and he has been desperately trying to "grow" new foreskin by stretching and taping his penile skin for months. He says he feels incomplete without it. I couldn't do the same to my son.

Whew long post. In saying all of that though, I still support a parents right to make choices that they think are right. If you look at all the research and make an educated decision for or against, then its not my place to judge you. I dont think that boys should be circed "just cause his daddy is"

[bAaM]

A boy can be tought how to clean and look after the penis with the skin there, I am one that doesnt believe in doing it unless there is something medicaly wrong, and even then i will be trying everything to prevent it.

But there are some boys that need it done, but its ur child ur choice.

[Fuchsia!]

i chose not to do cause

1. theres no medical reason to do it. I wouldn't remove his appendix "in case" it was to burst.

2. Because the child will be in the minority. Hardly anyone circs anymore.

3. Because it is not my skin to cut off. His body, his penis, his choice.

4. Because i could never in my life inflict and un-necessary pain on a child for no good reason. IMO its unkind.

5. Did i mention that its his skin? Ahhh yes but i will say it again :) His penis, his choice

[Milliner]

Well for starters it's not up to me, it's not my penis.

Circumcision is painful

It can lead to all sorts of problems. Infections and sometimes death

Loss of sensitivity or impotence

reduced volume of the penis

May shorten the penis

Painful erections

Breach of owners rights

Because the foreskin evolved over tens of millions of years and every male mammal has one. / Because God knew what S/He was doing when S/He put it there. / Because Nature knows best.


Because it aint broke: don't fix it

Because he will almost always be glad you didn't

Breach of bodily integrity

It’s unnecessary,unless for medial reasons, even then I would see as many specialist as I could)

It’s outdated and not to mention unkind

It’s not just a piece of skin. Read here (http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/lostlist/)

Does it matter what daddy looks like? Really, they are never going to look the same. I doubt they are going to whip out their doodles and start comparing now are they?

[miloand4]

I have four children two boys I had my oldest boy done due to family preassure and lack of information and education and they botched the procedure taking to much skin and yes it was done with a bell. So a good reason not to do this is could you live with the guilt if on the off chance something did go wrong. I cry every time I think about what I did to my beautifull boy simply because I was uneducated on the subject and thought I had to do this to him because my mum had her boy done and everyone she new had there sons done {these boys where born in the 70s I like to think we have access to more information and can therefore educate ourselves better no}I choose not to have my second son done. If he gets any infections they can be treated just as easily as any childhood infection and he can then make the choice as an adult what he would like to do with HIS body part. I will forever feel guilty for putting my baby through this and can only hope what I did to him will not affect future relationships for him Please educate yourself fully before you make this choice for him

[Milliner]

:hugs: miloand4

[Lillynix]

It was a non-issue in this house. We were having a son, he has a penis complete with foreskin, because that's the way he was born.

DH is circumcised but even he had absolutely NO intention of doing it to his son. There is simply NO medical reason to circumcise a healthy baby boy.

To cause unnecessary pain to a small baby boy for the sheer sake of "just in case" something goes wrong later is utterly ridiculous. Why cause pain when there's no need.

If men weren't meant to have foreskins, they wouldn't be born with them. Besides, it is my sonds body, not mine. If he decides later than he wants to be circumcised then he can make that choice, he can't, however, chose to be un-circumcised.

To remove the foreskin from a defenseless, non-consenting child, is to effectively amputate a part of another persons body without their consent. That is entirely wrong and not even the kind of decision a parent can make on behalf of their child when it is completely unnecessary to do so.

[xkwzit]

I want to remind ppl of the guidelines for language (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=120819) used when posting in any of the circ sections. Some earlier posts have been edited, any more in this thread that require editing will receive infractions.

Thanks

[forbetoel]

I have two sons, and I just didn't even consider circumcising them. There was no medical reason to, therefore I didn't want to expose them to the procedure. It would take an actual medical condition to make me consider circumcision.

e goes for me...but double the ammount of sons.:p

[84zsazsa]

:wave: Hi,

Im simply a "why fix what ain't broke person".

Danni

[Mummaholic]

I guess in answer to your question, I can only give my personal reasons why my sons will not be circed.

(1) There's nothing wrong with it - why 'fix' it?
(2) They can go wrong and do great damage - google reasons not to circumcise and you may find some of these. I know someone this happened to.
(3) I think it's pointless to remove something 'in case' it gets infected. Someone else recently posted the analogy = would you remove your child's tonsils in case they get tonsilitis.
(4) Not my decision to make
(5) Can decrease sexual sensitivity
(6) Just like daddy excuse ridiculous - my brother and I only just found out our dad is circumcised now, in our 20s lol; brother is not. Obv never bothered us!
(7) Not one of the uncirced mn in my immediate circle has ever had an infection - I have asked them.

Hope that helps. I would encourage you to read widely and discuss with dp - don't just do it 'because'.

[GiftofLife]

Obviously I am pro circ, so I have no reasons for anyone not to, lol. I have read this thread and most people have given factual and personal responses, without resorting to 'shock tactics'.

I am all for everyone having an opinion and I actually think it is great that there is an area where people who are against the procedure can discuss why, I just don't get the need for such hatred. And I think we all know that's what it is.

I am happy with my decision to circ and I honestly thought I had a lot to add to this area of the forum, but the hostility I have received from a few members has made me think twice.

Anyhoo, to the OP. The best reason not to circumcise is that you and you alone have researched it independently and decided it's not for you.

Cheers :goodvibes:

[sam's mum]

I have never found a reason to circumcise.

the thing that would have had a chance of convincing me to do it was the reduction of the risk of infection. But everything that I read showed that you are more likely to have something go wrong from the circumcision than you are to get an infection, so I wasn't willing to take the risk.

the whole looking like Daddy has never made sense to me. DH has tattoos, glasses, and his dark hair is thinning. DS has unblemished skin, perfect eyesight and blonde hair, while I am sure that things will change over time, I am not going to be the one to do it.

[xkwzit]

But let's get back to the topic. The OP has asked for reason's NOT to circ, as she is trying to prepare for discussions with her DP about their son. She doesn't need to wade through any more off topic posts.

Cheers

[circangel]

I guess it is not necessary if you are prepared to get it done for him at a later age.

[sam's mum]

I guess it is not necessary if you are prepared to get it done for him at a later age.

IF he is one of a small percentage that actually ends up needing it to be done for medical reasons, after all, what mother isn't prepared to have necessary medical treatment for their child once it is shown to be necessary. :confused:

[BreakfastatTiffanys]

I guess it is not necessary if you are prepared to get it done for him at a later age.

What do you mean "at a later age". My dh is 43 so would say he fits at a later age too. He is not circed and has never had an infection. My ds is 8 has been taught how to care for his foreskin and has never had an infection. I guess your comment left me like this:confused:

Could you please explain?

[circangel]

Hello kiahskeeper,

Obviously your dh will not have the decision made for him well most likely, if he will ever need circumcision and he might never need it. It is common though for older males to develop problems relating to the following. "Uncircumcised males are more likely to develop a wide variety of skin disorders including psoriasis, lichen planus, and seborrheic eczema." Some of these topics are also mentioned in "It's Wise to Circumcise: Time to Change Policy"

Hello sam's mum

It can be a bigger isse for parents when a child is older and the parents might not be prepared to get it done dispite the fact it might be necessary.

[Sarahmum24]

Uncircumcised Run Higher Risk of AIDS
A number of recent studies into the transmission of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) suggest that men who are uncircumcised have a greater chance of being infected with the AIDS virus during sexual intercourse. In fact, the data from two studies found the risk of AIDS infection to be five to eight times greater for uncircumcised men than for those circumcised.


And it is not common for older males to develop problems, there is no evidence.
It's Wise to Circumcise: Time to Change Policy", was done in 2003-2005 now there is studies that go against what is written in these studies.

Weather you are circed or uncirced there is always a chance of infection.

[sam's mum]

Hello kiahskeeper,

Obviously your dh will not have the decision made for him well most likely, if he will ever need circumcision and he might never need it. It is common though for older males to develop problems relating to the following. "Uncircumcised males are more likely to develop a wide variety of skin disorders including psoriasis, lichen planus, and seborrheic eczema." Some of these topics are also mentioned in "It's Wise to Circumcise: Time to Change Policy"

Hello sam's mum

It can be a bigger isse for parents when a child is older and the parents might not be prepared to get it done dispite the fact it might be necessary.

so maybe, one day, he might need to be circed, and because I might be hesitant about getting it done, I should get it done now, just in case?

[Lila]

reasons to NOT circ in our family (we have 2 ds's and 1 dd) :


-no one in our family is circ, so there was no Q if or if not

- we do not believe in circ being 'better" for little (and big) boys

- i couldn't bare the pain my sons would have to go through


- overall it was never discussed

[BreakfastatTiffanys]

Hello kiahskeeper,

Obviously your dh will not have the decision made for him well most likely, if he will ever need circumcision and he might never need it. It is common though for older males to develop problems relating to the following. "Uncircumcised males are more likely to develop a wide variety of skin disorders including psoriasis, lichen planus, and seborrheic eczema." Some of these topics are also mentioned in "It's Wise to Circumcise: Time to Change Policy

:wave: circangel

Just to let you know that my dh has no skin conditions as such. Never has. But thanks for the info.

I have also worked in nursing homes for many years and never seen half of the problems in older men that so many claim as a reason to circ. It is part of a nurses duty of care to help clean and maintain all body parts, including foreskins. (yes yuck I know) Just like it is a mums job to do her son and also teach how to care for it himself. It really isnt difficult at all.

[84zsazsa]

:wave: circangel

Just to let you know that my dh has no skin conditions as such. Never has. But thanks for the info.

I have also worked in nursing homes for many years and never seen half of the problems in older men that so many claim as a reason to circ. It is part of a nurses duty of care to help clean and maintain all body parts, including foreskins. (yes yuck I know) Just like it is a mums job to do her son and also teach how to care for it himself. It really isnt difficult at all.


I am the same as above......worked in aged care for yrs and would have to totally agree.....If a penis is looked after properly hygeine wise its very rare to see any problems, infections or conditions due to the foreskin and the rashes etc I have seen over the yrs have occured in both circ and uncirc.

I think it really is all about personal choice.......stats (which can be found to support both sides) are just what is used to back up ones decision.

Like I said earlier for me its just a "why fix what aint broke" decision. I dont judge either way but..........your kid your choice.

Danni

[BreakfastatTiffanys]

I am the same as above......worked in aged care for yrs and would have to totally agree.....If a penis is looked after properly hygeine wise its very rare to see any problems, infections or conditions due to the foreskin and the rashes etc I have seen over the yrs have occured in both circ and uncirc.

I think it really is all about personal choice.......stats (which can be found to support both sides) are just what is used to back up ones decision.

Like I said earlier for me its just a "why fix what aint broke" decision. I dont judge either way but..........your kid your choice.

Danni

:thumbsup:

[circangel]

Hello all,

Thanks for being so good about this topic. I have read so much about children and teenagers having infection after infection. A not so nice a situation for a teenagers confidence I would imagine. When a male is older and needs care they might well have sought treatment and have had circumcision at an earlier stage. I guess what I am suggesting is it is not known really when it was done and in what situation. It just does not make a lot of sense for anyone to claim it might be necessary for reasons that it might be for good reason. I guess if the circumcision stats remain low and not many males have a problem or significant enough then these issues of why it might be necessary and any other possible issues might disappear indefinately.

[sam's mum]

Hello all,

Thanks for being so good about this topic. I have read so much about children and teenagers having infection after infection. A not so nice a situation for a teenagers confidence I would imagine. When a male is older and needs care they might well have sought treatment and have had circumcision at an earlier stage. I guess what I am suggesting is it is not known really when it was done and in what situation. It just does not make a lot of sense for anyone to claim it might be necessary for reasons that it might be for good reason. I guess if the circumcision stats remain low and not many males have a problem or significant enough then these issues of why it might be necessary and any other possible issues might disappear indefinately.

sorry, :o I keep re reading this sentence, and I don't quite get it. is it me, or is there a word missing?

I totally agree with the first part - It just does not make a lot of sense for anyone to claim it might be necessary - but the rest of it sort of loses me. for reasons that it might be for a good reason?

I know that in my family my ex DH is 35 and still no problems. My nephew is 17 and no problems. DS is nearly 3 and no problems. My cousin is 35 and no problems. everyone else is girls :D, we don't have many boys in our family.

[PaperTiger]

It is common though for older males to develop problems relating to the following. "Uncircumcised males are more likely to develop a wide variety of skin disorders including psoriasis, lichen planus, and seborrheic eczema."
....
It can be a bigger isse for parents when a child is older and the parents might not be prepared to get it done dispite the fact it might be necessary.

Mainstream medical evidence would absolutely disagree with your statements.

I am interested to know your reasons why you would try to promote circumcision when current medical evidence gives entirely the opposite view. :confused:




The claims of “potential benefits”, allegedly provided by medically unnecessary, non-therapeutic circumcision, lack any real support from medical science. United States medical literature, as compared with the medical literature of other nations, is highly biased in favor of male circumcision.65 (http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/statement03.html#n65) The word “potential” means to exist in possibility but not in actuality. The scientific literature that supports such “potential” benefits is written mostly by doctors who were reared in circumcising cultures.66,67 (http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/statement03.html#n66)

From: Doctors opposing circumcision.
http://tinyurl.com/5mah9b

[BreakfastatTiffanys]

Hello all,

Thanks for being so good about this topic. I have read so much about children and teenagers having infection after infection. A not so nice a situation for a teenagers confidence I would imagine. When a male is older and needs care they might well have sought treatment and have had circumcision at an earlier stage. I guess what I am suggesting is it is not known really when it was done and in what situation. It just does not make a lot of sense for anyone to claim it might be necessary for reasons that it might be for good reason. I guess if the circumcision stats remain low and not many males have a problem or significant enough then these issues of why it might be necessary and any other possible issues might disappear indefinately.


sorry, :o I keep re reading this sentence, and I don't quite get it. is it me, or is there a word missing?

I totally agree with the first part - It just does not make a lot of sense for anyone to claim it might be necessary - but the rest of it sort of loses me. for reasons that it might be for a good reason?

I know that in my family my ex DH is 35 and still no problems. My nephew is 17 and no problems. DS is nearly 3 and no problems. My cousin is 35 and no problems. everyone else is girls :D, we don't have many boys in our family.

I am also left a bit confused by your post circangel......

[PaperTiger]

I know these threads have a tendancy to turn ugly but I just want honest, knowledgable, factual points on what may go worng or why it is not neccesary to have a boy circumcised.

I do not have a son, my DH is circumcised. I would have no idea what decision I would make if I have a son. My DH would give the generally standard response of " yes of course because I am"! I just want to be informed. I have read all the horror stories on here and yes it does make me feel sick.

Thanks


Hi Hannasmumma, :)
Here are very honest, knowledgable and factual policy statements from a large group of concerned doctors, refuting all the alleged and so called 'benefits' from circumcision.

http://tinyurl.com/4pdb69

Hope that helps with your enquiry. :thumbsup:

[GraceUnhearing]

Hello kiahskeeper,

Obviously your dh will not have the decision made for him well most likely, if he will ever need circumcision and he might never need it. It is common though for older males to develop problems relating to the following. "Uncircumcised males are more likely to develop a wide variety of skin disorders including psoriasis, lichen planus, and seborrheic eczema." Some of these topics are also mentioned in "It's Wise to Circumcise: Time to Change Policy"


and one day i might get breast cancer should i get my boobs removed?

XDP i circed and my boys wont be. He thinks its even crazy to think just because he i cut of a bit of his penis? wheres the sense in it?

[circangel]

It is important to realise that circumcision is on the increase since the 80s.

Circumcision: back on the table

[sam's mum]

The circumcision rate has declined sharply in Australia since the 1970s, leading to an age-graded fall in prevalence, with a 2000-01 survey finding 32% of those aged 16-19 years circumcised, 50% for 20-29 years and 64% for those aged 30-39 years.
^ "In Australia and New Zealand, the circumcision rate has fallen considerably in recent years and it is estimated that currently only 10%-20% of male infants are routinely circumcised." (RACP: 2004)
^ Richters, J; et al. (2006). "Circumcision in Australia: prevalence and effects on sexual health". Int J STD AIDS 17: 547–554. doi:10.1258/095646206778145730. PMID 16925903. “Neonatal circumcision was routine in Australia until the 1970s … In the last generation, Australia has changed from a country where most newborn boys are circumcised to one where circumcision is the minority experience.”

on the increase where?

[Ashleigh<3]

Just a few reasons why I believe circumcising is COMPLETELY unnecessary:


Benefits of an intact foreskin:

to cover and bond with the synechia so as to permit the development of the mucosal surface of the glans and inner foreskin.
to protect the infant's glans from feces and ammonia in diapers.
to protect the glans penis from friction and abrasion throughout life.
to keep the glans moisturized and soft with emollient oils.
to lubricate the glans.
to coat the glans with a waxy protective substance.
to provide sufficient skin to cover an erection by unfolding.
to provide an aid to masturbation and foreplay.
to serve as an aid to penetration.
to reduce friction and chafing during intercourse.
to serve as erogenous tissue because of its rich supply of erogenous receptors.

The above list was compiled from various sources by George Hill.


That's not even the half of it though.
Just google what circumcision entails and a bunch of sites will appear, including a very long list of everything that a circumcised infant will lose forever, trust me, it's a significant, detailed list as to what is removed including all of the important benefits those bits would aid for the circumcised person. Quite sad knowing it will be lost forever. :(

[Ashleigh<3]

I have read so much about children and teenagers having infection after infection. A not so nice a situation for a teenagers confidence I would imagine.Yes, and 'teenage girls' are susceptible to contracting Thrush and urinary tract 'infections' but we do not remove their vital organs.

Why would a child/teenager feel embarrassed over a penal infection? Better yet, why would we give a person reason to feel embarrassed over something that is so natural?
Their penis is covered up with clothing, it is their private part, it's not like anyone other then a medical professional/parental figure, would know.....

If preventing embarrassment is the prime reason for removing a child/teenagers foreskin, we may as well remove everything else in their body that is prone to contracting an infection, because the penis infection rate is much, much, much more rare then developing bronchitis or pneumonia-we don't just 'remove' the immune system or lungs when ill, do we?

A foreskin is just as vital as an organ. :thumbsup:

[PaperTiger]

It is important to realise that circumcision is on the increase since the 80s.
Circumcision: back on the table

Really?
Perhaps you could point me in the general direction of medical evidence to back up your theory.
Thanks.

[lavenderpegasus]

I mean this in the nicest way possible, so please take it that way...


My question is, why is circumcision necessary? I feel that circumcision should be an exception for a medical reasons only!!!

When I first fell pregnant, my son would be circumcised, until i thought i would read up on it, and of course you can find lots of information both pros and cons but I decided that I couldn't put my son through any unnecessary pain. ANY at all.

[MamaLlama]

Well for starters it's not up to me, it's not my penis.

Circumcision is painful

It can lead to all sorts of problems. Infections and sometimes death

Loss of sensitivity or impotence

reduced volume of the penis

May shorten the penis

Painful erections

Breach of owners rights

Because the foreskin evolved over tens of millions of years and every male mammal has one. / Because God knew what S/He was doing when S/He put it there. / Because Nature knows best.


Because it aint broke: don't fix it

Because he will almost always be glad you didn't

Breach of bodily integrity

It’s unnecessary,unless for medial reasons, even then I would see as many specialist as I could)

It’s outdated and not to mention unkind

It’s not just a piece of skin. Read here (http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/lostlist/)

Does it matter what daddy looks like? Really, they are never going to look the same. I doubt they are going to whip out their doodles and start comparing now are they?

:iagree::smiliedance::yelclap::wave::kiss:

Cannot put it better than that.

The question should never be phrased as "why would you not" but always as "why would you". The default position is what he was born with, you need a reason to change it.

[neostudded]

Why would I circumcise my son is a better question indeed :thumbsup:. There is no medical reason for RIC.

He was born perfect I love him everything about him, I think his foreskin is a wonderful part of his anotomy.

The male foreskin performs several important functions.
(I dont know all of them but these are the ones I know from the top of my head.)

-Protection Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive.

-Makes sex feel better the foreskin is very sensitive (the most sensitive part of the penis)

-Lubricates during intercourse/masturbation the foreskin enables the man's penis to slip in and out of his partner nonabrasively gliding freely over the shaft and glans.(So his partner is stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.)

-Reduces the drop insensitivity through age

-Allows the erection to grow From the reading I have done, the foreskin helps the erection to grow. Some circumcised men find that the skin is tight when they have an erection. Some also find that there penis bends/bows due to lack of skin.

On some circumcised males the hair-bearing skin from the groin and scrotum is pulled onto the shaft, where hair is not normally found.

-Increases sensitivity slowing intercourse

-protects the penile glands Cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infection. The foreskin keeps the glands at the right PH balance, like how our eye lids protect our eyes. When the glands are constantly exposed they can become dry and cracked thus loosing more sensitivity.

I believe I dont have the right to change his body.

[SomewhereOverTheRainbow]

The only reason I've heard for it really is religious. People say for hygeine but no doctor has confirmed it's necessary for hygeine reasons. It's surgically removing a part of the body that a baby is born with. Would you decide that an ear lobe should be removed to avoid having to clean it? Very well said!!


It is important to realise that circumcision is on the increase since the 80s.

Circumcision: back on the table

I think it may have been a trend DURING the 80's but I have known many many people to have baby boys in the last 10 years and can only think of 2 who had circumcisions.. 1 because they were very catholic, and the 2nd to 'look like dad'. I too work as a nurse and don't see infections in the foreskins! Really it's just like saying that if we removed our labia we wouldn't get thrush there.

[Mummaholic]

Very well said!!



I think it may have been a trend DURING the 80's but I have known many many people to have baby boys in the last 10 years and can only think of 2 who had circumcisions.. 1 because they were very catholic, and the 2nd to 'look like dad'.

Wow really? My family are Catholic and we do not circ for religious reasons, I have never heard of this being a Catholic tradition nor heard of any Catholics (I know quite a few) doing this claiming it's religious reasons.

[forbetoel]

It is important to realise that circumcision is on the increase since the 80s.

Circumcision: back on the table

Ahh, no, the levels have dramatically dropped.
It is even almost impossible to find a doctor willing to perform the surgery.
It is an out dated procedure.

[forbetoel]

Wow really? My family are Catholic and we do not circ for religious reasons, I have never heard of this being a Catholic tradition nor heard of any Catholics (I know quite a few) doing this claiming it's religious reasons.


:laughing:..yep, I agree with you there. I have NEVER heard of a Cathoilic circumsising for religious reasons.....and I know a lot of Catholics.