The story of Denis Jurgens *EXTREMELY DISTRESSING BEWARE*

[Benji]

Uh oh... I don't know if I can read it :( I really want to out of curiosity but I don't deal well with sad stories about children.

[onemummmy]

sorry but why if it made you so sick would you share it?

[studyingECS]

:(:gloomy: I am lost for words and now regret reading that.

[Benji]

Its hard to explain.
By reading it, I was really upset and I pretty much vowed to never turn a blind eye to anything that seemed suspicious regarding the wellbeing of children. Does that make sense? I used to feel like I should just butt out and mind my own business but after this story I see the importance of being concerned. Dont know if I explained it well....

Makes sense.. I feel compelled to tell my friends with young children about james bulger for some reason because I worry about children in public places.

I think I might not read it though, maybe another day.

[studyingECS]

I did warn you Kate :o
Its awful though isnt it. I can only hope he is in a far better place now.

I blame myself for reading it, I am fine reading things in the moment as I dont take it in and then once I have finished It always hits me.

[Skittles]

i read a artical about this a while ago. Was very very sad taht this woman was every allowed to adopt a child.

[sshellzp]

Poor little boy. Angels are looking after him now and he is very happy :angel:

[Fuchsia!]

can you give me rough idea? im not sure if i want to read it

[jaq]

I think your point is valid, RebekahL. As the article says, before this case, no one believed child abuse could happen in "middle class" families. Its a very good lesson in how "minding your own business" can kill children.

It also says something about how a loving parent is a loving parent regardless of age or social position. How his poor birth mother must have felt ... the guilt on top of guilt!

[bubbleyblossom]

I dont think I want to read it with the way my moods are at the moment, but I will say Rest In Peace Denis as i can gather what happened :(

[OJandMe]

It angers and saddens me to read things like this...

and to know that all over the world children are STILL going through things like this...

That poor baby... he was the same age as my twins... :crying::crying:

[V8]

That's absolutely terrible.

But that's great that the mother sought answers and justice for her poor boy. What an evil evil person that woman was. She should still be locked up though!!

[MummaBear03]

I just kissed my sleeping child and gave her a hug. It's so sad and so tragic that these things happen. It makes you really treasure what you have. We all have the power to protect children in our communities by not minding our own business.

[SweetAngels]

:banghead: :banghead: The part that outrages me the most is that she only served E I G T H YEARS!!! WTF!!!! Released early due to 'good behavior' *big angry scream!!!

I came across a story of a child abused here in NZ, ever since I read that story (3wks ago) and sadly many more, I have been on a mission to bring awareness to NZ about our child abuse record... we are the third worst developed country in the world concerning CA :gloomy:

In every story I came across, the person/s convicted were sentenced to 15 years tops :eek: but only serving maybe 5-8 years :confused:..... some that have been released have givien birth to more children WHO ARE STILL IN THEIR CARE!!!!

I could go on for days about this issues, it saddens me so much! And it scares me...

[Benji]

Thats another reason I found it worthwhile to share. There are so many threads that get heated on topics of breastfeeding vs bottle and attachment parenting, non-immunisation etc etc and its this story that made me think, "whatever, as long as that baby is happy and healthy and their life respected, I dont care whether you co-sleep, use disposables" IYKWIM.
We may all do things differently as parents but the only important thing is that we treat our children with love and kindness.

That's beautiful RebekahLeigh :)

It's so true. Some things seem so small when you put it in perspective :hugs:

[2sweetgirls]

:crying:I read a biography of a survivor of very similar things being done to him. It called "a boy called it" By James Pelzer. He has three books out that actually come all in one now.

Very horrific story :(

[Queen]

:(:(

[MyFourCubs]

I don't think anybody should be reading this article. Seriously. How is it going to help anybody???????????????:confused: That poor child was a victim of horrendous, abhorrent, unbelievable cruelty. I don't think it will do anybody on Bub hub any good to read it. (I skimmed it and that was enough!):(

[WorkingClassMum]

and to know that all over the world children are STILL going through things like this...



:iagree: and it happens in Australia




As the article says, before this case, no one believed child abuse could happen in "middle class" families. Its a very good lesson in how "minding your own business" can kill children.



:iagree:


I don't think anybody should be reading this article.

How is it going to help anybody?

I don't think it will do anybody on Bub hub any good to read it.

I think that everyone needs to have their awareness of child abuse raised. It is a particular hobby horse of mine.

It has taken years and 100's of cases like this before mandatory reporting came into being.

These days the burns to his genetalia would be investigated.

Prospective parents are vetted thoroughly and a few still slip through the system.

His early questionable death would mean that there would be a lot of questions before any future adoptions would be considered.

The mother's mental state would forbid her from adopting today.

And if just one person now questions a child's treatment by having their awarness raised, then this article is very very relevant to todays society - even if only as an abject lesson.

Everybody though that my step-mother was a saint, taking on my fathers three motherless children. Nobody ever knew what happened behind closed doors. My step-mother was lauded by all, my father was commended for taking on and supporting 100% (NO CS here) a single mother and her two children abandoned by their father.

What I suffered was nothing as compared to any of these children, but my siblings and I still have problems to this day.

If this topic is distressing, then I agree - don't read it. But please be aware, that this story with it's many different variables still continues today, both in Australia and world-wide. As parents, as people, as women and men, as basic human beings - we need to be aware, we need to speak up, we need to stop this.

[kateyb9]

I'm so upset right now... :-(

But, I am glad I read about Dennis.

RebekahLeigh, I think you raise a great point, about the amount of threads on here that are basically dedicated to unnecessary debate... The real issue should be whether or not a baby is happy, healthy & loved- definitely not the petty arguments that arise in regards to different methods of parenting & what-not

[kateyb9]

I'm also in agreeance with all of the above in KayteO's post

[MyFourCubs]

If this topic is distressing, then I agree - don't read it. But please be aware, that this story with it's many different variables still continues today, both in Australia and world-wide. As parents, as people, as women and men, as basic human beings - we need to be aware, we need to speak up, we need to stop this.

I get what you are saying:) I'm sorry, I think my response was jsut a knee jerk to reading the horrible article. Just wanted to save someone else from reading it. I am usually the last person to advocate sweeping things under the table- I really am. Good on you for making the point.:thumbsup:

[munchkins]

OMG the poor little angel... RIP Denis

[Little Chookie]

And if just one person now questions a child's treatment by having their awarness raised, then this article is very very relevant to todays society - even if only as an abject lesson.



:iagree: This abuser thought that it was her choice how she raised her child, through her haze of devote catholisism and psychosis. She openly defended her right to treat her child as she saw fit accordiing to her beliefs to people in her community.

It just goes to show how cultural and ingrained belief structures have nothing to do with developmentally appropriate parenting eg a child wetting the bed or not sleeping in their bed was viewed by her as defiance against her.


I think a story like this shows the importance of Questioning WHY we parent the way we do.

[chicky2lala]

I also read that! I also read the sequel where he tried to save his other siblings. It is so unbelievable that he survived, and went on to tell his story.
Iv read the series too, and i think i know what this story is about,,,iv seen in on facebook.....so sad.:(

[LivinOnAPrayer]

I couldnt read all that... :no::gloomy::crying::banghead:

[CorbinSethLincoln]

How terrible.
It really makes you wonder if the neighbours new what was going on? Nobody really wants to get involved these days. There is a really good book called The Gift Of Fear by Gavin De Becker, I seen a show about it on Oprah. Its not about child abuse. its about how your fear lets your body know that something isnt right

[WorkingClassMum]

:crying:I read a biography of a survivor of very similar things being done to him. It called "a boy called it" By James Pelzer. He has three books out that actually come all in one now.

Very horrific story :(


Try reading "Please Daddy No" - be warned it is heart wrenching but has a resolution in the end

Then try reading "Damaged" - be very warned - it has no happy resolution what so ever.

There are a lot of books written now by people who've been to hell and back on this earth - and they where all kids at the time...

[JesLiz]

OMG..that poor child...i couldnt read it all...its just sick