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sarahstarfish
14-04-2006, 11:12 AM
Thank God we live here...Cindy


http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32661

YALE DAILY NEWS

Published Thursday, April 13, 2006
Sperm bank attracts anonymous Eli fathers
Several students get paid at School of Medicine laboratory to help infertile couples have babies

BY CULLEN MACBETH
Contributing Reporter

When Alex Munns '07 signed up to donate sperm to the Yale School of Medicine's Sperm Physiology Laboratory for the fall term of 2004, he did not anticipate the grueling process that would eventually follow.

"I went two times a week for an entire semester," he said. "It was like taking another class for me. I would take a cab to the building from Old Campus and back. It took an hour out of my day every Tuesday and Thursday."

Munns is among a handful of Yalies who volunteer each year to donate sperm to the fertility and research clinic. Between five and 10 Yale students enroll in the program annually, said Dr. Gabor Huszar, the lab director and a senior research scientist in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the School of Medicine. Huszar said he also tries to attract student donors from other local schools, including Quinnipiac University and the University of New Haven, and donors can currently earn about $4,500 in a semester.

"We are only using students who are in college," he said. "We don't use just anybody who wants to be a sperm donor. … Because of that fact, I would assume that it's a lower-risk population and that the people who do it don't just want to give for money."

But Munns said the financial payoff was his primary motivation for signing up.

"It was just the money," he said. "The money was my motivation. I was paid $100 every time I went, and you have to go between 30 and 40 times to get enough so they can do the process."

John Peretti '07, who donated sperm from the spring of 2004 through December 2005, said the money was also a factor in his decision to enroll. But he said his desire to assist infertile couples in conceiving children also influenced his decision.

"Obviously the money is great," Peretti said. "But you also sort of think about it and, at least in this case, because it's a Yale facility and the cost is prohibitively high, you know that the people who are going there are in good situations and it's a well-thought-out decision. You're helping people who can't otherwise have kids."

Though sperm recipients are given information about each donor's age, physical appearance, and major, Huszar said, they are not told which college or university donors attend. Munns said a friend of his was rejected by the program because donors with red hair were not needed at the time.

Peretti said he is comfortable giving sperm because he thinks the clientele at the Yale clinic are generally responsible people. He said he would not consider himself the father of children produced from insemination with his sperm.

"I feel like they're going to be people who really want kids and really care about their children," he said. "I don't think there's ever going to be a lack of parental influence in these kids' lives. They're not going to go looking for their genetic fathers. To me there's a difference between donating genetic material and being a father."

While Munns said he also would not consider himself the father of children conceived with his donated sperm, he said the thought that children with half of his DNA might be living out in the world somewhere is slightly discomfiting.

"To tell you the truth, I don't think about it," he said. "The only way you can deal with it is if you don't think about it. … It certainly would be strange if I walked down the street one day and saw someone like me. But my view is that whoever raises a child is that child's parents."

The School of Medicine clinic ensures that donors do not have to share their contact information with sperm recipients by maintaining strict confidentiality rules, Huszar said. Students seeking open donations -- in which donors allow any offspring conceived with their semen to eventually contact them -- must go to a commercial sperm bank, he said.

"It's important that it is understood that these donors will never know who the people are who are being given the sperm, nor will the sperm recipients ever find out who the donors are," he said. "It's a completely confidential program."

Huszar said he subjects potential donors to a rigorous screening process that includes a detailed questionnaire about their medical history. After donors have produced a sample, Huszar tests the sperm for HIV, freezes it for six months, then thaws it and runs the tests again, he said.

"We freeze the sperm and thaw the sperm, since not every man's sperm survives the freeze," he said. "We are looking for people who should have good sperm concentration. Not every man has the same concentration, so we freeze and thaw to make sure they recreate at a good rate."

Peretti said his screening process entailed donating several sperm samples, an interview with a doctor in the lab about his family's medical history, and several blood tests.

Dennis Tristani '07 said he contacted the School of Medicine clinic in order to earn some extra money for the semester but was screened out because his sperm production was not high enough.

"The fact that I am above six foot was an extreme plus and the fact that I went to Yale, too," Tristani said. "But I was screened out because I had an average count and they needed an above-average count. … They're the experts. They want people who have a count high enough that there will be a higher percentage so that [the sperm] will work for whoever needs it. I'm sure that was fair."

Despite the charged nature of donating sperm, Peretti said the Yale program designed the process so that he did not feel uncomfortable.

"I guess they've been through this for a while, so they have a good system down," he said. "When you go to donate, it's in a very back corner room on the second floor. You don't really walk by anyone. And everyone that I talk to has been cool about it. My parents thought it was hilarious. No one's given me any sort of horrified reactions or looks of disgust."

Huszar said his lab uses leftover sperm not used for insemination for research on new methods of artificial fertilization.

sarahstarfish
14-04-2006, 11:24 AM
It's so interesting to compare the different systems operating in Australia and the US.

In Australian clinics, SD is altruistic, identifying details are now kept for any people conceived to contact their donor in the future if desired. Many donors in Australia are family men who understand the importance of their gift. The downside is the scarcity of donors.

In the US, SD is paid, completely and absolutely anonymous. The downside is any people conceived will, probably 99% chance, never get to know who their donor is, or find anything out about them beyond their physical characteristics, IQ and interests.

So in the US it's all about money for most involved, in Australia it is getting more about what future lives might need.

Love

Cindy

provencein3
14-04-2006, 01:08 PM
but blood donors are also paid in the US are they not.

sarahstarfish
14-04-2006, 02:21 PM
Yes, hard to equate the two though don't you think. It's a bit of a stretch to accept money for donating blood, and then accept thousands of dollars for sharing your genes, and children's genes and be (ideally) answerable to a new life. And blood donation in the US isn't market driven like gametes donation is.........while a 20 year old, Elle-look alike with a genuis IQ will get huge dollars for donating eggs, her blood is still blood and gets the same as the 40 year old waitress next in line.

Cindy

provencein3
14-04-2006, 05:25 PM
But unfortunately thats the world in which we live. Its been proven in studies that people will rate a "goodlooking person's" work higher even if it is exactly the same work. I'm sure you'd rarely find that the geeks in the class are the attractive ones, though they might be the ones with high IQ's.

It all depends on what your ideals are. Perhaps by paying that money, and ultimately only those that can afford will pay it, they are hoping to achieve the best for their child. I can't imagine there would be a high percentage of people paying fortunes for good looking kids for an ego trip. Parents spend a fortune on college educations to ensure their children have a great start in life. so they may see it as simply an extension of that.

In relation to men getting paid for donating sperm, their are a lot of men out there at university age who are willing to spread their sperm around without regard for the possible outcome - ie the production of a child. There are a lot of women in Australia and perhaps elsewhere who will pop a baby out for the social security payment with little or perhaps a high regard for the child's life. There are children everywhere that are abused by people who have had them naturally. there was an article reported on the weekend of a man in Fiji who as a child, had been kept in the chicken coup by his parents. When they died his grandparents continued to do the same. When he was released he would scratch around in the dirt looking for food and walked around with his arms folded like wings. it was thought no matter how they tried to rehabilitate him emotionally that his mental capacity would never recover.

As for the college women getting paid to donate their eggs, many women at university in Australia turn to prostitution to pay for their university education. If you had the choice what would you prefer. If there's a demand for it than there are those that will always provide the supply. For every one that does perhaps there are three that won't for the reasons you are talking about. We don't know.

People are free to make their own choice. The information can be supplied so that they are fully educated on the options. A lot of women turning to donor eggs are extremely desperate to have children and for some of them the fact that eggs or sperm are readily available because people are more prepared to donate if they are paid or because it is anonymous may be a blessing for them. Perhaps they may regret it further down the track but I don't believe that those people should be put down because that is the particular choice they have made at what is a very emotional and stressful time in their lives.

My son is the product of an anonymous sperm donor. At the time I had a friend offer to donate. It was an incredibly emotional time for me because I wanted my child to know who his 'father' was but as it turned out this fellow had simply 'put the idea ou there' to see what he thought about it. I of course was getting my hopes up. After no action on the offer, I eventually decided to go to a clinic and was given a list of about 4 possible donors and now I have my son. As it turns out the fellow now regrets not donating and I am incredibly happy because I realise now that it would simply have resulted in a situation similar to any bad breakup in a marriage where we would be fighting and the child would be caught in the middle. Sebastian loves this fellow and we can be friends and live our own lives without affecting my son. This fellow has offered to stand in as S's father at school functions if required to minimise any nastiness from other children. S may in the future want to find who his biological father is but only time will tell. i've been told that men are less inclined to do that so perhaps I will be lucky.

sarahstarfish
14-04-2006, 07:24 PM
Oh well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one Kim. I personally think that payment for donating genes is appalling, am glad it is illegal here.

Cindy

provencein3
14-04-2006, 07:38 PM
Cindy

I don't have a problem with that. We're all individuals and our circumstances more than likely are different and that's my point.

jason lovett
14-06-2006, 12:09 PM
It's so interesting to compare the different systems operating in Australia and the US.

In Australian clinics, SD is altruistic, identifying details are now kept for any people conceived to contact their donor in the future if desired. Many donors in Australia are family men who understand the importance of their gift. The downside is the scarcity of donors.

In the US, SD is paid, completely and absolutely anonymous. The downside is any people conceived will, probably 99% chance, never get to know who their donor is, or find anything out about them beyond their physical characteristics, IQ and interests.

So in the US it's all about money for most involved, in Australia it is getting more about what future lives might need.

Love

Cindy
i think when a woman needs an egg or sperm donor in australia its seems not too sure but that you have to apply am i right?
or is it illegal to leave a message as a donor..also in queensland their is a shortage of sperm donors ive been told no more than 7 or 8 because of all the trouble binding with this...some women who feel they are living on borrowed time to conceive also feel that if it takes money to buy an egg or sperm to give them their last hope then they would sell their own house as to them having a last chance to be a natural mother means more to them than all their possesions i also dissagree with paying money but in desparation women sometimes feel they have no choice.
why do the australian government make it so hard for donors?
either they are trying to discorouge egg and sperm donors..what next will they make it illegal for australian women to go overseas to get their eggs and sperm.

Cindy do you know what sort of waiting list their is in america compared to australia for egg donors for each state as ive heard their is over 200 women on a waiting list in queensland alone and as it is the longer it takes the harder and more dangerous it is to woman and baby......i have actually heard of women going over to america in search of a donor and the price of donor insemination over their worked out cheaper than waiting and using an ivf clinic here...i just feel for all the women who know with such a wait because of the laws their dreams are fading...just doesnt seem fair to them...

MelbourneDan
13-02-2008, 07:13 PM
I have to say the treatment of Australian donors is generally appalling. There are so many double standards that we donors get the short end of the stick on.

Recipients get to choose who they want as a sperm donor, but when legislation is passed allowing donors to place restrictions on who receives our sperm we're accused of being discriminatory.

We agree to be contacted by our genetic children, are limited to 5 or 10 births and are not paid for our efforts BUT Its okay for clinics to import sperm from the USA and use anonymous donors (who can make up to $50,000 per year) who may have fathered literally hundreds of children.

When you read an ad for egg donors, they usually start with the words 'angel needed'. Most ads for sperm donors are like shopping lists with a set of requirements (do you really need to know what the pH of my sperm is? Its slightly alkaline. Just like every other man's is).

And on the issue of payment for donors (both blood and sperm/eggs), there's this mysterious 'ethical' rationale that donation of tissue should be free. Fine. Of course the company that has the exclusive right to process blood products here makes over $100 Million per year from the contract. A doctor working in either of those areas makes more in an hour than most people make in a day.
The doctors get paid
The nurses get paid
The managers get paid
The shareholders get paid
But the people who the entire process is based on, without whose generosity the system would not exist are lucky if their parking and transport costs are covered. I donate free of charge. In fact I'm spending my own money i.e. on petrol, to help other people out. Why can't Doctors do the same thing? (They make alot more than I do)

There is constant complaint that there aren't enough donors. Is it really that difficult to see why?