brief statement

[ippahp]

it's not my parents penis :| Why should I respect their decision when the only person it affects is ME?

[bubs_and_us]

:hugs:

[MummaBear03]

:) It would have been better without the **** all through it but :yelclap:

[Teley]

Igzaktly:iagree:!

[circangel]

I would like to know how it affects you as I believe mostly that most males like the fact that they have been circumcised although not discussed much.

[MummaBear03]

I would like to know how it affects you as I believe mostly that most males like the fact that they have been circumcised although not discussed much.
The ones I know don't :)

In fact it came out recently when my SIL said how my brother hates the fact he was "done" and my mum said she felt so bad about it that my little brother isn't "done" and he's happy. I know, the conversation meant I left in a hurry, not something I wanted to think about regarding my own family members :barf:

[the_queen]

I would like to know how it affects you as I believe mostly that most males like the fact that they have been circumcised although not discussed much.

I guess you don't miss what you can't remember having. If I had my clitoral hood chopped off as a newborn, I wouldn't know what I was missing out on.

[MummaBear03]

I would like to know how it affects you as I believe mostly that most males like the fact that they have been circumcised although not discussed much.
This is the "Anti-Circumsision" area of Bub Hub ;)

[seadog]

I would like to know how it affects you as I believe mostly that most males like the fact that they have been circumcised although not discussed much.


You are dead right!! I was "done" and am damn glad I was, as are my two sons. I am of an age where it was common that most male babies were circumcised and from all the guys I have ever met I have NEVER heard anyone complain. This is one of those subjects where each is entitled to their own opinion, however it is unfortunate that some (and I do say some) in the Anti camp seem to think it is their right to force their opinion on those who may not agree with them.

This one will always be contentious, basically as I see it it is the responsability of the parent to do what they think is in the best interests of their child.

[Lillynix]

however it is unfortunate that some (and I do say some) in the Anti camp seem to think it is their right to force their opinion on those who may not agree with them.

It is NEVER okay to amputate a part of someones elses body without THEIR consent.

End. Of. Story.

[Lollie86]

:iagree:

[Jakois]

It is NEVER okay to amputate a part of someones elses body without THEIR consent.

End. Of. Story.

:yelclap::iagree::yelclap:

[sam's mum]

I would like to know how it affects you as I believe mostly that most males like the fact that they have been circumcised although not discussed much.

ex DH was incredibly happy that he HADN'T been.

for those who like to be circumcised, they can do that themselves as an adult. for those that don't, how do they put it back?

[stellarella]

I found Dr Oz on Oprah interesting yesterday....after discussing the potential "benfits" which are still questionable, things like a reduced rate of STDs, HIV etc. he said there is ONE BIG negative and that is "it reduces sensitivity and pleasure for the male because a vast majority of the nerve endings in a penis are IN THE FORESKIN!!!!!!"

Enuff said ;)

Go on and on about how glad you are that you are circumcised, that's fab for you, I only care about the little boys and men who are not happy, who feel violated and ripped off (rightly so!)

Good on the OP who has the courage to admit he hates his circed penis instead of the typical male ego who will never admit that his penis may be "lacking" due to being circumcised.

[lulu 2]

So is it ok to have it done for medical reasons? And as far as males not discussing these things well you have not been to a male dominated workplace lately then ...men talk about all sorts of issues related to their health etc when women are not around its not all footy lol

[sam's mum]

So is it ok to have it done for medical reasons? And as far as males not discussing these things well you have not been to a male dominated workplace lately then ...men talk about all sorts of issues related to their health etc when women are not around its not all footy lol

of course it is ok to have it done for medical reasons.

once tonsils were taken out 'just in case' or at the first sign of an infection, now they are only taken out after repeated infection. if someone asked a dr to have their child's tonsils taken out these days the dr would ask why it needed to be done. For medical reasons, there would be no issue.

[Bewitched]

It's obvious some people are passionate about this (i personally havent done it to my sons and choose not too), but to spark up a heated debate about it will no doubt end in another anti-circ thread being closed :rolleyes:.

[xkwzit]

This thread has drifted a fair way from the OP from a man who has been personally affected by his parents decision. There might be many men who care not a whit that they were circumcised, but it would naive of us to think that there aren't a few out there who have strong negative feelings about it.

This is not a general pros and cons of circ thread, this is one person's view of the circ decision. We'll keep their thread on topic, but feel free to start new threads to start new conversations.

Cheers

[GiftofLife]

WOW, this has actually been kept quite civil. I am part of another parenting forum and when they talk about circumcision, it goes KABOOM!! lol.

I am pro-circumcision, so I know I'm in the wrong spot. All of my boys are done (I have three).

It is my experience that people who choose not to, are far more passionate about it than people who choose to do it. But I guess as a parent, we make the decisions that we feel are right. I know I have.

Bottom line is that other peoples opinions only matter if you let them. I don't have anything against people being passionate though, it makes the world an interesting place. I for one am always on about the benefits of prolonged breastfeeding, and I get crazy at people who bottle feed. So I guess that's my passion.

Anyhoo, I guess what I was trying to say is that we all have something we are not willing to compromise our beliefs on.

To the OP. I'm sorry that you feel that way about being circumcised. Have you thought about speaking to a counselor? Just a thought?

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

WOW, this has actually been kept quite civil. I am part of another parenting forum and when they talk about circumcision, it goes KABOOM!! lol.

I am pro-circumcision, so I know I'm in the wrong spot. All of my boys are done (I have three).

It is my experience that people who choose not to, are far more passionate about it than people who choose to do it. But I guess as a parent, we make the decisions that we feel are right. I know I have.

Bottom line is that other peoples opinions only matter if you let them. I don't have anything against people being passionate though, it makes the world an interesting place. I for one am always on about the benefits of prolonged breastfeeding, and I get crazy at people who bottle feed. So I guess that's my passion.

Anyhoo, I guess what I was trying to say is that we all have something we are not willing to compromise our beliefs on.

To the OP. I'm sorry that you feel that way about being circumcised. Have you thought about speaking to a counselor? Just a thought?
I have not seen many babies killed by a bottle feed lately, however to circ a baby can end in death and or severe deformaty and also lack of sexual function in some cases.
I get annoyed when people compare bottle feeding to modifying a penis, there is no comparison. My husband is done and has suffered no ill effects that I or he can tell- however he will never know as he has no memory of being uncirc'd. He still wanted our son intact, because we don't have the right to chop off bits of his body!
We do have the right to bottle feed, co sleep, cc, have a c sect, or homebirth etc...however I believe the laws will change and it will be illegal to genitaly modify our sons, because it is wrong and their is no comparison to other parenting choices.

[Mummaholic]

I have not seen many babies killed by a bottle feed lately, however to circ a baby can end in death and or severe deformaty and also lack of sexual function in some cases.
I get annoyed when people compare bottle feeding to modifying a penis, there is no comparison. My husband is done and has suffered no ill effects that I or he can tell- however he will never know as he has no memory of being uncirc'd. He still wanted our son intact, because we don't have the right to chop off bits of his body!
We do have the right to bottle feed, co sleep, cc, have a c sect, or homebirth etc...however I believe the laws will change and it will be illegal to genitaly modify our sons, because it is wrong and their is no comparison to other parenting choices.

:iagree: except in my case my husband is NOT circed and very happy about it indeed.

And I am sorry to hear of your pain, OP. Not something I would inflict on my sons.

I think the comment that most anti circers are more passionate is sad. If you wanted to perform an operation to remove a part of your child, I would hope you WERE passionate about it. If not, why on earth do it, as it is easier just to leave it.

I'm passionate about not circing because I see it as totally unneccessary. If an adult wants to do it - fine. But babies and young children don't have the chance to say no thanks mum.

[GiftofLife]

I have not seen many babies killed by a bottle feed lately, however to circ a baby can end in death and or severe deformaty and also lack of sexual function in some cases.
I get annoyed when people compare bottle feeding to modifying a penis, there is no comparison. My husband is done and has suffered no ill effects that I or he can tell- however he will never know as he has no memory of being uncirc'd. He still wanted our son intact, because we don't have the right to chop off bits of his body!
We do have the right to bottle feed, co sleep, cc, have a c sect, or homebirth etc...however I believe the laws will change and it will be illegal to genitaly modify our sons, because it is wrong and their is no comparison to other parenting choices.

Perhaps you need to learn to read properly??

At no point did I compare bottle feeding and circumcision. I just said that breastfeeding was MY passion. If you would care to go back over my post, you will clearly see that's all I was saying.

Also, there is no 'chopping' as you put it involved in circumcision. There are no cutting instruments used at all. So perhaps you could also brush up on your circumcision knowledge before you go off on a tangent about it.

I would also like to ask why people get so offended at the fact that I chose to circumcise 'my' son?? If I circumcised 'your' son, I could understand your anger. But I haven't forced my circumcision beliefs on you. So please refrain from being so narky with me.

[xkwzit]

I want to remind ppl of the guidelines for language (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=120819) used when posting in any of the circ sections. Some earlier posts have been edited, any more in this thread that require editing will receive infractions.

Cheers

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

Perhaps you need to learn to read properly??

At no point did I compare bottle feeding and circumcision. I just said that breastfeeding was MY passion. If you would care to go back over my post, you will clearly see that's all I was saying.

Also, there is no 'chopping' as you put it involved in circumcision. There are no cutting instruments used at all. So perhaps you could also brush up on your circumcision knowledge before you go off on a tangent about it.

I would also like to ask why people get so offended at the fact that I chose to circumcise 'my' son?? If I circumcised 'your' son, I could understand your anger. But I haven't forced my circumcision beliefs on you. So please refrain from being so narky with me.

Narky who's getting narky - NOT me.
You did compare the two by bringing it up as an example of what you are pasionate about.
I get offended when any one is modified for no good reason, esp when they havn't had a voice in it.
Would we force grown men to be circ'd -NO- why because it would be crazy, and it is just as crazy to do it to children IMO.

I realise that there are no scapels or sharp impliments in alot (not all) of circs however that doesnt make it any better. It is an expression- if I for one decided to chop off my sons finger- would it be kinder to wrap a string around it and wait for it to fall off or should I chop it off with a scapel.

[GiftofLife]

Narky who's getting narky - NOT me.
You did compare the two by bringing it up as an example of what you are pasionate about.
I get offended when any one is modified for no good reason, esp when they havn't had a voice in it.
Would we force grown men to be circ'd -NO- why because it would be crazy, and it is just as crazy to do it to children IMO.

I realise that ther is no scapels or sharp impliments in alot (not all) of circs however that doesnt make it any better. It is an expression- if I for one decided to chop off my sons finger- would it be kinder to wra a string around it and wait for it to fall off or should I chop it off with a scapel.

Sorry, let me rephrase that, you may not consider that you are being narky, but by your own admission, you are 'annoyed' by what I believe in.

Again, I did NOT at any point compare bottle feeding and circumcision. I compared the feelings that I have in regards to bottle feeding to the feelings that you have in regards to circumcision. Thus implying that I can understand why people get heat up about it.

I think you have missed the whole point of what I was trying to say. I see no point in trying to explain it, as you are obviously not open to allowing others to think for themselves. I have no problem with people who choose not to circ, I just ask that they allow me the same courtesy.

Also, your stance that circumcision should be made illegal is silly. If that were to be the case, then abortion should also be made illegal (I am in no way saying that this is what I think), if as a mother, I do not have the right to circumcise my baby, I certainly have no right end its life completely. Just something to think about.

On that note. I am not going to get into a debate about the whole thing. You have your opinion, and you are entitled to it, as I am mine. It makes neither of us bad, just different. I'm sure neither one of us is going to suddenly change our minds, lol.

Also, for the record. I did not base my decision to circ on my feelings of passion. That would imply that I put no serious thought into it. I based it on a lot of the same info you have no doubt read. There is a lot of reasons for, if you have done your research properly. I also based it on personal experiences that I have had with the issue, not to mention long discussions with my DF, he is the one with a penis after all, lol.

Back on topic, I hope the OP can get some kind of closure with his feelings and move forward.

Cheers :)

[serendipity22]

GiftofLife said

there is no 'chopping' as you put it involved in circumcision. There are no cutting instruments used at all.

I'm sorry but the above statement is incorrect.

I presume you are talking the plastibell method, which involves cutting before the device is placed and days later after the device as fallen off.

The below is from a HubBub post 2 years ago from someone who as attended many Plastibell circumcisions (and has since firmly rejected circumcision).


The belief that Plastibell doesn't require cutting and is virtually painless is a myth; it requires just as much cutting as other methods. The Plastibell requires crushing and cutting a dorsal slit to place the bell, and trimming the skin around the ring after the ligature is tied.

Drawing, explaining the procedure from Hollister the manufacturer of the Plastibell device:
http://www.kelleycom.com/images/articles/circum.jpg

Another drawing, showing how a Plastibell circumcision is done:
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/plastibeldrawhow.jpg

The truth is, the other methods (gomco, mogen) clamp the skin before it's cut. The plastibell method just crushes the skin and cuts off the blood flow with a string instead. It's really not that different.

Jen

[GiftofLife]

GiftofLife said


I'm sorry but the above statement is incorrect.

I presume you are talking the plastibell method, which involves cutting before the device is placed and days later after the device as fallen off.

The below is from a HubBub post 2 years ago from someone who as attended many Plastibell circumcisions (and has since firmly rejected circumcision).

You will have to excuse my ignorance :o as I was honestly under the impression that something had been changed in the way plastibells are used and that cutting was no longer necessary.

I knew that my boys were cut after the tissue was crushed with a clamp and to also remove excess skin, but it has been 4 and half years sine I have looked into the methods used and I have heard lots about 'no cutting', so I just assumed something had changed.

I have no idea what cutting you are referring to days after the procedure though, as my boys didn't even go back to the Dr until after the plastibell had fallen off.

In any case, I'm not above admitting I've been misinformed or that I've misinterpreted something I've heard and in this case after some research I can see that the method used is still the same.

[Milliner]

I knew that my boys were cut after the tissue was crushed with a clamp and to also remove excess skin,



God that makes me cringe. Thank goodness my little boy was protected from that procedure.



Now, this is the ANTI- circ section not the ‘discuss it’ section, just incase you missed that. SO, if I was to pop into the pro section and start debating that would be a big no, no :shame: but for some reason it seems to be ok for the pro circers to come in here. :rolleyes:
These sections were opened up for a reason, so that if there was something that either side wanted to discuss they could do so without having to debate it. It should work both ways but it would seem that it doesn’t.

[sockstealingpoltergeist]

Also, your stance that circumcision should be made illegal is silly. If that were to be the case, then abortion should also be made illegal (I am in no way saying that this is what I think), if as a mother, I do not have the right to circumcise my baby, I certainly have no right end its life completely. Just something to think about.


Cheers :)

No comparison to circumcision at all- lets leave those debates for another thread.
If we were doing other dangerous procedures to babies just in case there would be an outcry.

I really do think some people get their sons done because they feel it is for the best. Then afterwards they cannot admit they may have made the wrong decision and will defend it to the end. I can understand this, I mean who wants to willingly hurt their child for no good reason? No one, Its just sad that any boy has to endure this procedure at all.

[chicky2lala]

I knew that my boys were cut after the tissue was crushed with a clamp and to also remove excess skin
.
That just make me want to cry for your sons.............:( :( That's so unbelievably sad.Don't you feel the gravity of the words you have just written?? You allowed someone, a stranger to do this to your little boys??? By choice!

I do understand that we all have our own reasons for parenting the way we do, but reading something like that just really upsets me.

[Milliner]

*shrugs*

If you feel that you are being condemed as a person then by all means hit the report button, but as I said this is a section where we can discuss the issues we have with the procedure.

I think you missed my point. If anyone was to go into the pro section and start questioning people then warnings or infractions may be issued but it's ok for it to happen the other way?

I stay out of the pro section I find it too upsetting, maybe you should do the same?

[Ange&Seth]

*shrugs*
this is a section where we can discuss the issues we have with the procedure.



I don't find it upsetting at all :no: I was just pointing out that the reason posts get deleted or edited in the pro-circ section is because they are reported. Maybe the same thing should happen here too? Reporting I mean, because as you said in another post, this IS the anti-circ section so maybe the pro-circ posts should be reported? Unless something is reported, then the mods aren't really going to know that anyone has a problem with it IYKWIM?

[Ange&Seth]

Meh, im not a fan of reporting stuff, i just think people should stick to their own sections.

Don't worry - newbies figure that out for themselves pretty quickly I've found :laughing:

[Milliner]

Yep, one-sided discussions in separate areas. That is exactly what I am talking about. I think when people start a thread in the Anti section they do so not wanting a debate just a discussion and I assume the same goes for the pro section. Now if someone wants to see something get heated then put it in the discuss it section, right.

[chicky2lala]

Don't worry - newbies figure that out for themselves pretty quickly I've found :laughing:
LMAO oh that made me giggle!!! I HAVE found that out pretty quickly! Iv also found out if I dare enter a section Im passionate about either way, i end up getting infracted!:laughing:

[Ange&Seth]

Yep, one-sided discussions in separate areas. That is exactly what I am talking about. I think when people start a thread in the Anti section they do so not wanting a debate just a discussion and I assume the same goes for the pro section. Now if someone wants to see something get heated then put it in the discuss it section, right.


Ok - you don't seem to understand that I'm AGREEING with you :yes: however unless things are reported and newbies in particular made aware of how things work, then threads are just going to get heated and that's not really conducive to a one sided discussion at all :no:

[Ange&Seth]

LMAO oh that made me giggle!!! I HAVE found that out pretty quickly! Iv also found out if I dare enter a section Im passionate about either way, i end up getting infracted!:laughing:

Yeah I learnt that one the hard way too :laughing:

[Milliner]

Oh, I know. That was my whole point of posting in this thread in the first place. :laughing:

Couldn't find the ;) smiley for my last post.

[xkwzit]

Again we have drafted WAY off the OP, this thread will now be closed. Thanks to all who contributed in a positive manner.

Feel free to start new threads to discuss new topics, but we have taken this thread far enough off track.

Cheers