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Milliner
10-02-2008, 14:20
Wives more likely to contract HIV from circumcised husbands.February 8th, 2008 by ICGI

In a two-year study, wives of circumcised men were 58% more likely to contract HIV than wives of intact men.

The study, presented at the Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Boston, was carried out in Uganda and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It compared the annual HIV incidence in the wives of men who had been circumcised to wives of men who remained intact.

The study’s principal investigator, Maria Wawer of Johns Hopkins University, said the results were “unexpected and somewhat disappointing”.

Both groups reported the same level of condom use. Wawer said the results posed a challenge to the mass roll-out of male circumcision in Africa.

Wawer was a researcher on a 2007 Ugandan clinical study that concluded circumcsion lowered the rate of infection in men. Researchers had predicted that this “benefit” extended to women. Yet, this does not appear to be true. The circumcision clinical study done by Wawer, Ronald Gray, and others at Johns Hopkins was severley criticized by peers.

ICGI’s opinion of male circumcision as an HIV preventative is that it will cause more infections, not less, and that it will divert money that should be going into proven efforts such as free condoms, increasing nutrition, and purifying water supplies.





Circumcision of men does not protect women from HIVFebruary 4th, 2008 by ICGI

A new study revealed last week that women are not protected from HIV if their male sexual partners are circumcised and do not use condoms. Findings of the study, which was conducted in an area of high incidence of HIV, the AIDS virus, were reported at the 15th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Boston.

Researchers of previous studies that reported circumcision reduced HIV infection in males (and which have been taken to task as poor science by their colleagues) hoped that such protection would extend to women, too. This recent study shows the opposite. This casts a new light on circumcision’s role and pushes it away from being a preventative and towards being a placebo.

This isn’t the first time the promotion of circumcision used feminine interests as a ruse. Decades ago, circumcision was thought to reduce cervical cancer. We now know that HPV and smoking habits are the culprit. As such, the ulterior motives of circumcision proponents must be questioned.







http://www.icgi.org/2008/02/wives-more-likely-to-contract-hiv-from-circumcised-husbands/

Milliner
10-02-2008, 14:22
It's horrible that it had to be proved this way but at least it will shut a few people up and maybe stop the mass circumcisions. How badly do you want to go up to the "scientists" and say "well I could've told you that without infecting loads of people and without slicing up perfectly healthy penises"?

Mamalicious
10-02-2008, 14:34
It would be helpful if people would get the message about safe sex aswell.

No glove, no love.

Eleana
10-02-2008, 15:00
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as far as I know, the debate about C's/HIV was the other way around. C'ed men have a less risk THEMSELVES of getting HIV, I've never heard of it reducing the risk in their partners.

jennababe
10-02-2008, 15:01
i dont really see the point in this story.

pls dont anyone start arguments with me but i just wanted to give my opinion

circumsized or uncircumsized if your partner doesnt have aids then your not going to catch it either way.

i believe in full tests b4 having unprotected sex with someone when the time is right.

i just dont understand why a study like this was done. they should put more effort into getting the word out about safe sex.

Mamalicious
10-02-2008, 15:02
That's right Jennababe!

Eleana
10-02-2008, 15:04
circumsized or uncircumsized if your partner doesnt have aids then your not going to catch it either way.


lol I agree with you here.

WorkingClassMum
10-02-2008, 15:08
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as far as I know, the debate about C's/HIV was the other way around. C'ed men have a less risk THEMSELVES of getting HIV, I've never heard of it reducing the risk in their partners.


the assumption was:

ergo - less men get aids - less men to pass it on

Eleana
10-02-2008, 15:08
Just wanted to add, the study says that HPV can cause cervical cancer. So did the people who did that study work out where HPV can come from?? Did they figure out that UN-C'd men have higher levels of HPV than C'd men....?

The rest seems pretty logical to me.

WorkingClassMum
10-02-2008, 15:12
i just dont understand why a study like this was done. they should put more effort into getting the word out about safe sex.


the point to the study was that if c'd men reduced the incidence of aids - then there would be the wholesale push to c. all men.

I agree that safe sex is a far more sensible idea, but seeing that so many men where being c'd is was a good idea to study if the effects of c'ng had a positive outcome

WorkingClassMum
10-02-2008, 15:14
Just wanted to add, the study says that HPV can cause cervical cancer. So did the people who did that study work out where HPV can come from?? Did they figure out that UN-C'd men have higher levels of HPV than C'd men....?

The rest seems pretty logical to me.

The study as far as I know was centred on HIV

the bottom line is to practise safe sex no matter the status of the pen!s

the HPV/cervical cancer and aid would all be reduced in one shot

han
15-04-2008, 14:55
Every study I have ever read (and there are numerous large studies on it) state that circumcised men are less likely to carry and transmit STDS.

HPV is a particular one - Jewish women have a significantly lower incidence of Cervical Cancer and this has been directly attributed to circumcision.

Mamalicious
15-04-2008, 15:00
Honestly, just USE AN EFFING CONDOM!!! :rolleyes:

It drives me nuts, this "if you're circ'd then you're more likely/less likely to get this or this or this..."

You are more likely to contract AIDS if you have unprotected sex, and to me, that's all there is to it.

Wrap the flippin thing up!!! :hair:

mumzdaword
15-04-2008, 15:07
i agree with jennababe...

whether your circ or intact, it doesnt increase or decrease the risk of getting HIV...

practicing safe sex prevents you from getting it, but then not 100%...

and if the male has HIV/Aids, being intact or not isnt going to stop her getting it if having unprotected sex... it is contracted by bodily fluids and it only takes a minimal amount...

extremly pointless study IMO...alot of time wasted that could have went to studying something worthwhile...

han
15-04-2008, 15:10
Honestly, just USE AN EFFING CONDOM!!! :rolleyes:

It drives me nuts, this "if you're circ'd then you're more likely/less likely to get this or this or this..."

You are more likely to contract AIDS if you have unprotected sex, and to me, that's all there is to it.

Wrap the flippin thing up!!! :hair:

I completely agree, but if people want to use studies like this as an excuse not to circumcise, then of course people are going to say "well circumsision can make XYZ less likely, too".

HPV for example, though, is something that can be a huge issue for long term safe couples regardless. And circumcision is proven by a number of studies to reduce the risk of carrying that.