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draught
07-05-2005, 20:03
We have just had a horrible day and I thought I would see if anyone else has had similar experiences, and whether this is normal 2 year old behaviour or whether we should be looking for larger problems. I have a 2 year old who screams when she is upset. She cries, her face goes red, her nose runs and she screams as if she is being tortured - ear piercing, loud and long. It happens as part of a tantrum, but also happens in social settings where it is hard to work out whether it is part of a tantrum, or because she is afraid of something.

Today's example was at the Qld Orchestra Kiddies Cushion concert (which is a great outing if all goes to plan). She baulked at going in, as she does in many situations when there are people in a room she has to enter, and once the music started, she starting crying, which quickly escalated to screaming. It only stopped when I took her out of the room. Various efforts to reintroduce her to the room didn't work - the screaming/crying started again. Other examples include swimming lessons, which we stopped because it happened every week. She was happy in the pool until the lesson started when she started to scream and cling to me, as if she was terrified, when she had been quite happy playing in the water seconds before. The most tortuous example was on a flight to NZ (tortuous because there was no escape for anyone) when she began screaming before we had left the terminal and screamed for one and a half hours.

When it happens at home I can normally see the causes (me saying no to something is the usual cause) and some time out in her room is the solution. In these social settings though, I can't work out if it is a tantrum, or if she is frightened, or both, and have no idea what to do. She normally upsets every other child in a large radius, so their parents are not impressed, and I feel like a complete failure, with everyone looking at me. Part of me wants to comfort her and part of me wants her to snap out of it - and neither approach is very successful. Normally the only thing I can do is get her to laugh at something, and that breaks the mood, but on days like today when she won't laugh, nothing seems to work. Any suggestions on how to manage this, and to help her, are gratefully received!

One thought we had was that she could be over sensitive to loud noise - does any one else have this experience?

vonnie100
07-05-2005, 22:17
Hi,
My dd is just getting into this stage as well and it is so discouraging when you get evil stares from other people who seem to have lovely well behaved angelic children beside them and there looks seem to say ' Have you no controll over your child.....'
I find the busy shopping centers or supermarkets are the best place to expect an earpeircing scream and flood of tears and snot from my dd. I have read alot of books that tell me I should avoid these sort of situations and if I do need to go there to be prepared to make a dash for the nearest exit, but if i live by these rules I would be confined to the walls of my home. I have found distraction in public places to work such as a healthy snack to hand to her as soon as I can see her face getting red, or a promise to have lunch and a play in the playground if she can let mummy have a quick look around without tears.
Maybe your child is feeling overwelmed by the amount of people in one area and needs to have a moment to think out the situation first like if its a regular thing that she is going to that you just sit to the side for the first few meetings and then when she starts to feel upset go outside for some fresh air and a quick walk and then go back in, I dont know if that would work or not but its a suggestion. As for tantrums at home I am not sure either, I feel like I am always saying no to my daughter and she drops her lip and falls in a heap on the floor but after a few to many of these we make a retreat for the back yard to dig in the sandpit or its snack time or time for a nap.
Anyway your not alone I can totally understand how exhausting it is, but when they are good they are very very good.....when they are bad they are.........'
My daughters has also started biting, I get a good set of teeth marks if I take her hand to cross the road and she wants to go the other way.....any suggestions of bitting would be great
vonnie100

Baby Girl
07-05-2005, 22:47
Hi draught,

My mum had a similar problem with me when I was little. I would become a horror child whenever we went somewhere noisy. Turns out I had a perforated eardrum and constant infection would have me in pain a lot of the time. It wasn't so bad if things were quiet around me but if my eardrum was expected to function "busily" (lots of sound vibrations) it would cause pain. Unfortunately for her the dr's didn't diagnose it as anything more than irritation and after a course of antibiotics (on more than one occassion) Mum would assume it was okay but it was a constant problem. Once it was diagnosed and I had an operation on my ear it was fine. And apparently my behaviour improved tenfold as noise no longer meant pain to me!!

This may not be your daughters problem but I thought it worth a mention as my mum didn't think it was mine either. I hope it isn't hearing problems as I have suffered ear-aches most of my life and it is really annoying!!

Good Luck.

Rell
08-05-2005, 07:43
Hi There
It seams like you realy have your hands full at the moment. The screaming at home as aresult of saying no is very normal behaviour for a 2yr old and I also use time out in these situations. When you are out and there is no aparent reason try calming her down and asking her what is upseting her. This might give you an insite into weather it is simply just to be defient (normal at this age ) or if she has a problem with noise and crowds. If you are still concerned get her checked by your GP. It can't hurt. Also QLD gov run a free parenting corse called triple P. My husband and I have done it and found it to be realy good when we were having problems with our 2 yr old. Your child health clinic should have details if you are interested.

Good Luck

draught
09-05-2005, 14:34
Thank you all for your advice. I am going to take her to the GP to rule out any problem with her ears, and in the meantime try and avoid things like concerts for a few weeks at least! I have read some of the Triple P handouts so will look into the courses as well, as any good information about parenting cannot hurt!

And in the meantime I am focussing on the beautiful things that she does (like finding toys to give her baby sister and coming up to me to ask for a cuddle, just because) and moving past the screaming fit of Saturday!

mamafelix
11-05-2005, 20:26
Yep screaming seems normal in this house too!
Can I also recommend a really excelllent book 'Raising your spirited child' by Mary Kurchinka (sp?) it goes through loads of strategies for dealing with 'spirited' traits like sensitivity (perceptiveness), persistance etc etc.
She describes scenes almost identical to yours in there, so I'm sure it would be of some help!
should be available from major bookshops.

hth

moggs
30-05-2005, 07:43
Hi Theresa,

Sounds like you are feeling very frustrated about your daughter'sbehaviour. You must be completely exhausted after trying all the techniques we all frequently read about which are supposed to work. My favourite is the time out but this doesn't work out doors I've realised and i've tried the reins but my little just claimed she was 'stuck' with the tantrum associated.

I'm also a big fan of the supernanny but her outdoors techniques still haven't worked for me! I wish you all the best and I think all we can do is do whatever is necessary to make our lives easier and stessfree.

love Moggs ;)