View Full Version : Chistina Aguilira's son Max circumsized at 8 days old..
I have never heard of any celeb babies openly getting circumsized before have I been stuck under A rock or do lots of Celeb babies get circumsized.??
You know for everyone to know of....
What do you think of it..???
Yay for Max
Or
Poor max??
Right now I would have to say poor Max because he's probably still a little sore.
I haven't heard of celebs babies being circumcised either - I think she's leaving herself open for attack making this public (unless it was somehow leaked by someone else).
mumx3littlies
29-01-2008, 20:12
Right now I would have to say poor Max because he's probably still a little sore.
I haven't heard of celebs babies being circumcised either - I think she's leaving herself open for attack making this public (unless it was somehow leaked by someone else).
:iagree: and wud have to say POOR MAX:(
Um...who really cares what decision she's making for her son?? She is a mother, just like any of us, who has decided that she wanted her son circumcised. Just because she is a celebrity, doesn't mean she doesn't have the same choices as the rest of society....
ETA: And just because there isn't much publicity about other celebs circumcising their sons, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It's not something that one has to shout off the roof tops! And, if Christina has decided to tell the world, good on her for standing up for her beliefs. Who cares what people are going to think of her...it's not going to make her any less of a mum or anything. It was her/their decision and that should be respected, just like my decision to have my sons circumcised should be respected.
tweedledee*tweedledum
29-01-2008, 20:13
Well, from what I can gather, she had a Jewish wedding, so I am assuming the procedure was done for religious purposes.
chefalicious
29-01-2008, 20:14
Um...who really cares what decision she's making for her son?? She is a mother, just like any of us, who has decided that she wanted her son circumcised. Just because she is a celebrity, doesn't mean she doesn't have the same choices as the rest of society....
:iagree:
Fuchsia!
29-01-2008, 20:18
Well, from what I can gather, she had a Jewish wedding, so I am assuming the procedure was done for religious purposes.
Thats what i thought too. But don;t they have a bris or something like that?
SorenLorensen
29-01-2008, 20:19
i say poor max but only because for some stupid reason this was deemed worthy in the eyes of someone to publish world wide. so now the world knows too much about him and his penis.
tweedledee*tweedledum
29-01-2008, 20:19
Thats what i thought too. But don;t they have a bris or something like that?
Some do, some just have the procedure done. But it is almost always done at the 8 day mark.
SalTheGal
29-01-2008, 20:22
I would say who cares!!!!
If she has openly announced that she circ'ed her son then good for her, if this is media at is wonderful usual self interfering in peoples lives then they should leave the poor little bubby alone.
:banghead:
Right now I would have to say poor Max because he's probably still a little sore.
I haven't heard of celebs babies being circumcised either - I think she's leaving herself open for attack making this public (unless it was somehow leaked by someone else).
She had a big party for it or something..
Um...who really cares what decision she's making for her son?? She is a mother, just like any of us, who has decided that she wanted her son circumcised. Just because she is a celebrity, doesn't mean she doesn't have the same choices as the rest of society....
ETA: And just because there isn't much publicity about other celebs circumcising their sons, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It's not something that one has to shout off the roof tops! And, if Christina has decided to tell the world, good on her for standing up for her beliefs. Who cares what people are going to think of her...it's not going to make her any less of a mum or anything. It was her/their decision and that should be respected, just like my decision to have my sons circumcised should be respected.
Soapbox soapbox noone said she was a bad mum... or anything like that..
In fact it was moe about whether alot of other celebs discuss it openly...:banghead:
Thats what i thought too. But don;t they have a bris or something like that?
Yeah thats what it was called a bris...
I didnt know what that was though until they said circumsision..
tweedledee*tweedledum
29-01-2008, 20:26
:banghead:
She had a big party for it or something..
Soapbox soapbox noone said she was a bad mum... or anything like that..
In fact it was moe about whether alot of other celebs discuss it openly...:banghead:
Yeah thats what it was called a bris...
I didnt know what that was though until they said circumsision..
Well in that case it was most definitely a religious reasoning behind the procedure and it doesn't surprise me that the media are questioning it. Look at how they question other celebs religious beliefs.....
kristyNluke
29-01-2008, 20:27
i dont think it is my place to judge at all either way not my child.
Well in that case it was most definitely a religious reasoning behind the procedure and it doesn't surprise me that the media are questioning it. Look at how they question other celebs religious beliefs.....
Oh yeah I hear you....
Doesn't bother me at all he is not MY son so i couldn't care less what his penis looks like :)
iamLilysmummy
29-01-2008, 20:31
OMG im so confused,, DID SHE HAV A BOY OR GIRL
tweedledee*tweedledum
29-01-2008, 20:32
OMG im so confused,, DID SHE HAV A BOY OR GIRL
Boy
i say poor max but only because for some stupid reason this was deemed worthy in the eyes of someone to publish world wide. so now the world knows too much about him and his penis.
:iagree:
Where's the privacy?
OMG im so confused,, DID SHE HAV A BOY OR GIRL
Well, I'd say she had a boy! :yes:
misskittyfantastico
29-01-2008, 20:33
OMG im so confused,, DID SHE HAV A BOY OR GIRL
A boy.:yes:
A circumcision in a Jewish family is seen as a celebration (As far as I'm aware) Similar to a Catholic Baptism etc....I can't imagine that the family would see it as something to hide...
OMG im so confused,, DID SHE HAV A BOY OR GIRL
Ouch closing legs tight...
I hope she had a boy..
Milliner
29-01-2008, 20:37
All I can say is poor max, another boy that wasn't protected.
prideNJoy
29-01-2008, 20:38
Ouch closing legs tight...
I hope she had a boy..
I close my legs tight even when thinking about a boy being done!
He did have a brisk, bit of reading for you :)
Christina Aguilera's son Max was circumcised in a ritual Hebrew ceremony at their Beverly Hills home yesterday. Christina and her husband Jordan Bratman, who are both practicing Jews, invited a small group of friends and family to their eight-day-old son's Bris, the traditional Jewish baby naming and circumcision ceremony.
The Bris is traditionally held on the eighth day of a baby's life and Max Liron Bratman was born on January 12, returning home with his mother from Los Angeles' Cedars-Sinai Medical Center a few days later.
The ceremony formalized his middle name Liron, which means "my song" or "my joy" in Hebrew. A source close to the singer said: "Christina wanted to give Max a partly Jewish name. When she came across Liron she couldn't believe her luck because as well as liking the sound of it, it was a direct reference to her own career."
Christina was said to be feeling "sore" after giving birth via Cesarean section, but the 27-year-old singer is already using her musical talents to bond with Max.
A source said: "Her voice is fine. She is already singing to Max."
Her baby.. her choice.
It has nothing to do with you, me or the media.
misskittyfantastico
29-01-2008, 21:01
Her baby.. her choice.
It has nothing to do with you, me or the media.
The thing is though, I think it was a media release from her publicity people, as I said in a PP - it's a time of celebration for Jewish people.
To me it doesn't seem odd that she has publicised the fact - celebs publicise weddings, christenings etc.
As for the whole circ debate - well that's another thread!
tweedledee*tweedledum
29-01-2008, 21:03
The thing is though, I think it was a media release from her publicity people, as I said in a PP - it's a time of celebration for Jewish people.
To me it doesn't seem odd that she has publicised the fact - celebs publicise weddings, christenings etc.
As for the whole circ debate - well that's another thread!
Agreed. It is something that is a big celebration and there are notices in the paper just like other celebrations.
studyingECS
29-01-2008, 21:14
Her child, her choice.
HelenHasTwins
29-01-2008, 21:29
Her child, her choice.
:iagree:
A boy.:yes:
A circumcision in a Jewish family is seen as a celebration (As far as I'm aware) Similar to a Catholic Baptism etc....I can't imagine that the family would see it as something to hide...
:iagree: In Judaism it's all considered to be very much the done thing and normal. America has lots more Jewish people living there so I guess they're a little more used to hearing about such things. ..
SassyMummy
30-01-2008, 00:49
It's not what I'd call newsworthy, and I don't really care... but if you're making me choose, I say Poor Max.
I don't agree with RIC.
If she wants to chose that for her son so what? i guess it's prt of their religion something which people should respect weather one agrees or not is something else.
GummyBear
30-01-2008, 07:33
i say poor max but only because for some stupid reason this was deemed worthy in the eyes of someone to publish world wide. so now the world knows too much about him and his penis.
:iagree: Poor kid! He's Jewish, so it's safe to assume that would be the case anyway, but who needs it published!
i say poor max but only because for some stupid reason this was deemed worthy in the eyes of someone to publish world wide. so now the world knows too much about him and his penis.
:iagree:
missie_mack
30-01-2008, 07:42
Considering the boy is jewish one would assume that about his penis so that really doesnt offend or anything.
Either way I guess (like someone else said) it is the same as a baptism and it is their way of welcoming their little man to the world :) Im sure plenty of people would be interested in checking out the first photos of the baby considering she has probably only been out of hospital 3 or 4 days. They are probably interested in his formal name too which isnt announced until the bris either
It's nobodies business!
Its between Christina and her Partner.
Lets just leave them alone to make choices about there son, without all this speculation.
I say Poor Max with all the publicity, these things should be private!
Ashleigh<3
30-01-2008, 07:54
Her family are Jewish.
***unnecessary text removed***
As for her son being circumcised, I wouldn't want to harshly criticize her methods just as I wouldn't feel right about judging someone on bubhub's methods.
Ashleigh<3
30-01-2008, 07:57
I say Poor Max with all the publicity, these things should be private!
I understand people feeling sorry for little baby Max, but you see, his parents made the decision to go public about his circumcision, they even threw a big party for the purpose of circumcising him.
It's become a tradition within many Jewish families.
Christina wants a big party where she's going to be flashing information regarding her sons private parts, you're going to get the media plastering it all over the tabloids.
I highly doubt Christina Aguilera is offended that we're discussing it. She chose to make it public. :)
pookiesossige
30-01-2008, 08:23
Poor Max.
Many, many Jewish couples are opting NOT to circ their sons these days.... it's not a religious requirement.
forbetoel
30-01-2008, 08:26
I would never circ my sons unless for a medical condition, but I am hardly going to make the judgement that she is somehow a cruel unloving mother because she has chosen to get her son done. A lot of loving beautiful parents get it done, for whatever reason, and while I do see it as very unnessesary, I am under no illusion that it is not a sign of a neglectful parent.
Ashleigh<3
30-01-2008, 08:31
Poor Max.
Many, many Jewish couples are opting NOT to circ their sons these days.... it's not a religious requirement.
Exactly! :thumbsup:
IMO-No such thing as a religious requirement.
prideNJoy
30-01-2008, 08:34
Exactly! :thumbsup:
IMO-No such thing as a religious requirement.
:laughing:Ash this is the 'discuss it' area !!! You shouldn't need to whisper! <-- Is that what this is btw??? whispering? :laughing:
hayleysmummy
30-01-2008, 08:35
wud have to say POOR MAX:(
Me too poor bubba :(
Ashleigh<3
30-01-2008, 08:38
:laughing:Ash this is the 'discuss it' area !!! You shouldn't need to whisper! <-- Is that what this is btw??? whispering? :laughing:
:laughing:Shhh, of course it is whispering!
THIS WOULD BE SHOUTING! (While whispering). :p
I know I shouldn't be whispering, but sometimes things I say offend people so if I write small, there is the off chance my writing will go unseen.
Does it really have to make the news? Seriously? Does it matter what choices that another parent does?
I know DH and I are not for it, but we dont judge when another set of parents decide it's best for their child.
Me too poor bubba :(
That's what I think too. I don't see why everyone is so quick to say it's no one's business.
I would say poor bubba to any baby who has gone through any procedure whether it be a circumcision or a needle.
prideNJoy
30-01-2008, 08:49
:laughing:Shhh, of course it is whispering!
THIS WOULD BE SHOUTING! (While whispering). :p
I know I shouldn't be whispering, but sometimes things I say offend people so if I write small, there is the off chance my writing will go unseen.
PMSL !! Sorry if i've ousted you. :p
Ashleigh<3
30-01-2008, 08:54
PMSL !!Sorry if i've ousted you. :p
You is a spy!
:p
That's what I think too. I don't see why everyone is so quick to say it's no one's business.
I would say poor bubba to any baby who has gone through any procedure whether it be a circumcision or a needle.I see what you mean. :)
Like if a baby had a cold, we might say, "Poor baby".
Or if a baby fell over, "poor baby".
Surely if someone has had their child circumcised they aren't expecting someone to say, "WAHOO Good baby!".
forbetoel
30-01-2008, 08:58
Does it really have to make the news? Seriously? Does it matter what choices that another parent does?
I know DH and I are not for it, but we dont judge when another set of parents decide it's best for their child.
I agree. I will start judging harshly when I hear that she leaves her child alone to go clubbing or leaves the kid to starve or something. Right or wrong, she done it with good intentions.
MotherNurture
30-01-2008, 09:57
Definitely, "Poor Max!"
...because regardless of whether she did it out of misguided notions of hygiene, to match dad, perceived religious obligation, or because she thinks it will protect him from alien abduction he was still subjected to a painful, unnecessary, sexually damaging procedure and I think that's unfortunate. The result is the same regardless of her bub's celebrity status.
:(
Jen
MotherNurture
30-01-2008, 09:59
Her baby.. her choice.
Her child, her choice.
Usually that saying is a pro-choice slogan. It goes something like, "Her body, her choice." In the case of circumcision, a part of his body---a sensitive and functional part of his primary sex organ---was permanently removed without his consent.
Jen
tweedledee*tweedledum
30-01-2008, 12:07
Poor Max.
Many, many Jewish couples are opting NOT to circ their sons these days.... it's not a religious requirement.
This is true, many Jewish parents are choosing not to go ahead with the procedure. However in terms of if a boy is wanting to do his Bar Mitzvah when he is 13, then circumcision is a religious requirement. A Bar Mitzvah being one of the most important rights of passage into adulthood in the Jewish religion. The Jewish couples who choose not to circ their sons are more than likely not that religious or else they would not think twice about it. Mind you, the Rabbi's are not exactly going to check! :D
A baby went through a great deal of unnecessary pain. Of course it's "poor Max".
pinkishbunny
30-01-2008, 12:35
A baby went through a great deal of unnecessary pain. Of course it's "poor Max".
Exactly....
I just wanted to step in to say that I think that the rights and wrongs of circumcision for religious reasons warrants a thread of it's very own. If you would like to discuss that (rather than this specific example of Christina's son, which was the OP of the thread), please feel free to start a new thread.
Cheers
KarniF00l
30-01-2008, 14:12
Poor bubby.
I don't agree with it BUT I am very pro choice... to the individual getting the procedure done. Somehow I don't think Max was asked :p
Shanaynay
30-01-2008, 14:21
Poor little dude :(
Ashleigh<3
30-01-2008, 16:12
Somehow I don't think Max was asked :p
You crack me up! :laughing:
I didn't read all the replies, but yeah i thought straight away that her hubby was jewish so therefore customary to circumsize her son, i really couldn't care less as long as she loves her bubs to bits which i'm sure she does. :D
That's what I think too. I don't see why everyone is so quick to say it's no one's business.
I would say poor bubba to any baby who has gone through any procedure whether it be a circumcision or a needle.
I agree.
Poor Max.:(
Her baby her choice? What about his penis,his choice?:confused:
Noah_and_Elijah
23-02-2008, 16:54
this is media at is wonderful usual self interfering in peoples lives then they should leave the poor little bubby alone.
Perhaps his Mother should have left that poor little boy alone and left his foreskin in tact like it was intended to be.
Poor little darling.
Now let's celebrate the fact that we are unnecessarily modifying our child by throwing a party with all of our buddies and put up penis balloons around the house!! :barf:
tyler's mum
23-02-2008, 17:07
If i had a boy i would get him done
the_queen
23-02-2008, 17:19
Perhaps his Mother should have left that poor little boy alone and left his foreskin in tact like it was intended to be.
:iagree: It's amazing how many people stubbornly hold onto outdated information and continue to have MGM performed on their newborn sons.
Poor little Max :( 8 days old? When their age is measured in days, they shouldn't be put through any unnecessary pain and suffering, let alone cutting off a piece of penis!
delirium
23-02-2008, 17:35
I really don't see the issue. There are much more pressing and concerning issues in the world than Christina's bris plans :rolleyes:
I would never circ my sons unless for a medical condition, but I am hardly going to make the judgement that she is somehow a cruel unloving mother because she has chosen to get her son done. A lot of loving beautiful parents get it done, for whatever reason, and while I do see it as very unnessesary, I am under no illusion that it is not a sign of a neglectful parent.
:kiss: It seems you are one of the few people here that doesn't agree with circ and can make that distinction. it was nice to read that not all think we are child abusing monsters :) :hugs:
the_queen
23-02-2008, 17:44
Oh I've got opinions about heaps of pressing and concerning issues - wanna hear 'em? :p
But this thread is about little Max and his penis, so that's what we're discussing.
:)
Im glad its in the publicity! good on her!
I hope she put it out there in the public eye.
Maybe shes read baby forums and seen how nasty people can be on other peoples rights to circ their sons.
Noah_and_Elijah
24-02-2008, 15:32
No parent has the 'right' to circ their child, male or female. Such an intensely personal and private decision should be left up to the owner of the penis.
Ashleigh<3
24-02-2008, 15:35
No parent has the 'right' to circ their child, male or female. Such an intensely personal and private decision should be left up to the owner of the penis.
:goodvibes::thumbsup:
the_queen
24-02-2008, 15:39
No parent has the 'right' to circ their child, male or female. Such an intensely personal and private decision should be left up to the owner of the penis.
:iagree: :iagree: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
It is the parents right to make that decision about their son....
They are the ones who look out for their best interests until they are adults to make them themselves so if they think this is in their best interest then so be it!
tweedledee*tweedledum
24-02-2008, 16:39
Perhaps his Mother should have left that poor little boy alone and left his foreskin in tact like it was intended to be.
Poor little darling.
Now let's celebrate the fact that we are unnecessarily modifying our child by throwing a party with all of our buddies and put up penis balloons around the house!! :barf:
I find that is a pretty insulting thing to say. Regardless of whether you think the procedure is 'right' or not, belittling the fact that it someone's religious belief is pretty rude. Penis balloons??? Seriously......
Noah_and_Elijah
24-02-2008, 18:52
The footage of Christina discussing her son's bris you would have seen that she had told Ellen that they celebrated the day by putting up penis balloons around their home.
I do think it's wrong and I won't apologise for that.
Shanaynay
24-02-2008, 19:53
No parent has the 'right' to circ their child, male or female. Such an intensely personal and private decision should be left up to the owner of the penis.:iagree::yes:
westerner
24-02-2008, 21:03
The footage of Christina discussing her son's bris you would have seen that she had told Ellen that they celebrated the day by putting up penis balloons around their home.
:chillpill:
Considering that is an entire different thread with the footage in it there is no need to be so rude.. So she didn't see the interview.. No big deal.. ;)
You can very easily explain in a nice manner that you were not joking and there were in fact penis balloons at the party.. :thumbsup:
I cant see what the problem is with the balloons.
We had pink and purple balloons for a "princess party"
Thomas and no1 balloons for the 1st birthday party.
For the baptism we had blue and silver balloons to match everything else on the day.
On christmas day we hung "merry Christmas" balloons on the gazebo.
People do hang balloons for all sorts of celebrations.
so why not penis balloons for the day celebrating the little ones Bris.
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wonder where she got penis balloons, did she say?
MotherNurture
25-02-2008, 14:34
We're talking about injuring the genitals of a minor child. There are some cultures that practice "breast ironing" of little girls. Would we be upset to hear that not only was the act celebrated, but that adults celebrated with bachelorette-party style boobie straws? What about female genital modification? What if the adults threw a big party and invited a clown to twist balloons into vulvas? Appropriate or inappropriate? If you're going to hurt a child and permanently alter their normal, healthy bodies and take away future sexual pleasure I'd hope the event would be at the very least be respectful and somber. :(
Jen
westerner
25-02-2008, 14:41
The main word that grabbed me in your post mothernurture was RESPECTFUL..
Maybe a few people who post regarding such emotive and personal topics should start being respectful of another human beings choices whether they be through information/or lack of, religion, or simply personal choice..
;)
Im sure the actual procedure was very respectful for little max.. But they are also welcome to celebrate the event after it has occured (or leading up to it) with a celebrational party..
And whats a party without themed balloons.. :p
(save your fingers the previous line is a joke ladies.. :rolleyes:)
FYI- My son isn't circ'd because i didn't feel the need to 'do it'.. BUT that doesn't mean i don't respect other peoples choices if they choose to preform a procedure on there child..
Poor Max.
Originally Posted by noahsmama http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?p=2395112#post2395112)
No parent has the 'right' to circ their child, male or female. Such an intensely personal and private decision should be left up to the owner of the penis.
:iagree:
mother nature-
If you're going to hurt a child and permanently alter their normal, healthy bodies and take away future sexual pleasure I'd hope the event would be at the very least be respectful and somber.
This is your view on circumcision, clearly its not theirs. They have no reason to be somber. Its the start of many celebrations they will have with their son.
They were respectful of their religion and then celebrated. Just as millions of Christians do when they baptise their baby, and in their childhood follow that with confirmation, communion ect.
That would not right in your eyes either then would it? Its another example of A child born to religious parents who wish to follow their religion and pass it on to their children.
From head scarf to multiple wives there will always be something that people on the outside of a religion that will never understand and judge harshly.
Noah_and_Elijah
25-02-2008, 16:25
Head scarves, multiple wives, baptisms, communions, confirmations etc are all celebrations, yes, but they do not involve the permanent and painful 'modifying' of another human being. A human being who in most cases is undergoing such a procedure uneccesarily and has absolutely no say in the matter.
Do you really think boys who are circd for religion, raised in that religion, then one day tell their parents they didnt want to be circd?
Noah_and_Elijah
25-02-2008, 17:14
Do you really think boys who are circd for religion, raised in that religion, then one day tell their parents they didnt want to be circd?
I can't speak for every child but I do know of one man (now in his late 20's) who was routinely circ'd for religious reasons and he now wishes that he'd been given the chance to make that decision for himself.
We're talking about removing a baby's foreskin here. You can 'discuss' it until you are blue in the face but the reality of the situation is that it's (in most cases) unecessary and painful. Medical issues aside, there is absolutely no justification for such an act. :no:
the_queen
25-02-2008, 17:17
Do you really think boys who are circd for religion, raised in that religion, then one day tell their parents they didnt want to be circd?
It's psychologically difficult for most men to say "hey, perhaps my penis is not as good as it could be". And the biggest problem is that they don't know what they're missing. If your clitoral hood (which is the physiological equivalent) was removed when you were 8 days old, you wouldn't know you were missing anything. But you would have missed out on a lot of sexual pleasure.
moonblossom
25-02-2008, 17:21
When we chop off this most precious piece of a boys genitals, we are saying God made a mistake making it in the first place, DID HE???
Are we smarter than the ALL BEING that made us PERFECT in the first place?
Think about that one pro circs.
Do you really think boys who are circd for religion, raised in that religion, then one day tell their parents they didnt want to be circd?
There are thousands of men that do exactly that, that then have to go through the long and expensive process of foreskin restoration.
When we chop off this most precious piece of a boys genitals, we are saying God made a mistake making it in the first place, DID HE???
Are we smarter than the ALL BEING that made us PERFECT in the first place?
Think about that one pro circs.
I dont think it was a mistake but dont see it as any more important than the apendix or gall bladder that people have removed and live very well without...hhhmm so why is it there in the first place? yes they all serve a purpose but one can live and function without them.
My husband is anti circ and hes so sure he gets more out of life having that little bit of skin than the blokes living without it. I think thats quite amusing. How the hell would he know!
BTW im pro choice.. your choice not to, for many people its their choice to circ. I dont have a problem with circing at all, only people who think they are above those who do circ and judge another parent for their parenting choice.
the_queen
25-02-2008, 17:52
hhhmm so why is it there in the first place?
http://www.forplu.com/community/guys-like-us/foreskin.htm
The foreskin - What it is?
First what the foreskin is not: The foreskin is not a flap of skin on the end of the penis. This kind of terminology has been used to imply that the foreskin is something redundant with no real function, that can easily be removed with no consequence. This is not the case.
The foreskin is special in that it is not directly attached as most skin is. It is free to slide up and down the shaft of the penis with almost no friction. The foreskin can be thought of as a continuation of the tube of skin that covers the shaft of the penis, but much longer. This tube of skin is firmly attached only at the base of the penis and at the head of the penis. In between the points of attachment this tube of skin has the special property that easily slides on the shaft of the penis rather than being firmly connected as most skin is. The foreskin's length and the fact that it is unattached in the middle allows it to slide up and down the shaft of the penis and roll in on itself over the head of the penis (see diagram below).
The foreskin is long enough so that it continues down the shaft of the penis and rolls in on itself over the head of the penis. For those of you who are only familiar with circumcised penises, that means that an intact penis has two to three times as much skin that a circumcised penis.
A foreskin is long. An intact penis has two to three times the length of skin that a circumcised penis has. When flaccid, most of this length is taken up in the double fold of skin covering the head of the penis. When erect the foreskin can roll back to allow the penis to lengthen while still allowing the skin on the shaft of the penis to remain loose. The foreskin is often long enough to cover the head of the penis while erect.
The foreskin is extremely sensitive. It is filled with nerve endings called stretch receptors that fire when they are stretched, rolled, or massaged.
One can live and function without earlobes too, that doesn't make removing them at birth a good thing to do.
Shanaynay
25-02-2008, 18:15
BTW im pro choice.. your choice not to, for many people its their choice to circ. I dont have a problem with circing at all, only people who think they are above those who do circ and judge another parent for their parenting choice.
We are all pro-choice really, but most of us thankfully see it as the choice of the owner of the penis!
and i see it as the PARENTS choice.
I want to remind ppl of the guidelines for language (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=120819) used when posting in any of the circ sections. Some earlier posts have been edited, any more in this thread that require editing will receive infractions.
Cheers
Blueberry Crumble
26-02-2008, 16:26
I say poor Max for having a piece of his penis cut off without his consent. No matter what "reasons" they might have.
MotherNurture
27-02-2008, 08:30
I dont think it was a mistake but dont see it as any more important than the apendix or gall bladder that people have removed and live very well without...hhhmm so why is it there in the first place? yes they all serve a purpose but one can live and function without them.
You can live without your legs. You can live without eyes. You can live without your reproductive organs. That doesn't make removing those healthy parts from another person ethical.
My husband is anti circ and hes so sure he gets more out of life having that little bit of skin than the blokes living without it. I think thats quite amusing. How the hell would he know!
I think I get more enjoyment out of sex than women who've had their clitoris removed. How the heck would I know? A basic understanding of the anatomy and physiology involved and a good dose of common sense. You remove nerves, you remove protection from sensitive, erogenous mucousal skin and you lose pleasure. It's not rocket science, IMO.
BTW im pro choice.. your choice not to, for many people its their choice to circ. I dont have a problem with circing at all, only people who think they are above those who do circ and judge another parent for their parenting choice.
Me too. Her body, her choice with regard to abortion and his body, his choice with regard to circumcision. It's a body autonomy/human rights issue. I don't regard removing healthy, functional genital tissue from a non-consenting minor as a parental right or reasonable choice...regardless of the child's gender.
Jen
I didn't read all the replies, but yeah i thought straight away that her hubby was jewish so therefore customary to circumsize her son, i really couldn't care less as long as she loves her bubs to bits which i'm sure she does.
:iagree::iagree:
It seems weird that we are even discussing it.....
delirium
27-02-2008, 12:14
Me too. Her body, her choice with regard to abortion and his body, his choice with regard to circumcision
See i don't get this :confused: I've noticed this before that some say it's not up to the parent to remove the foreskin, that should be the boy or man's choice; but the same members then say it's the woman's body and it's their decision to terminate. Not trying to stir things up, but I would think removing a piece of skin without a child's permission, is no where near as bad as aborting without the child's permission??? Why do you get to 'choose' to abort, but not to 'choose' to circumcise???
I get what your saying that it's the boys penis so he should choose, and the woman's body so she should too, but we aren't talking about skin we are talking much more than that. JMO
Originally Posted by MotherNurture
Me too. Her body, her choice with regard to abortion and his body, his choice with regard to circumcision
That doesn't make senseto me either:no:
It makes sense to me but I won't take the thread off-track :)
MotherNurture
27-02-2008, 14:21
If someone wants to start a new thread to discuss the pro-choice issue more thoroughly I'm game. All I'm going to say here is that not everyone equates a first trimester (when most terminations occur) embryo with a "baby".
Jen
MountainGirl
18-03-2008, 15:20
Just wondering if anyone knows why it became a religious act to perform a circumcision in the first place? Seems like such a strange thing to have a religious connotation:confused:
bootiful
19-03-2008, 23:16
Firsty big congrats to Christina, Max is such a beautiful bubba.
Secondly, there are a few reasons why Jewish people circumcise the boys @ day 8
This website has some answers...its too long to post it all
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160989/jewish/Why-do-we-have-a-Circumcision.htm
I think it is up to the parents to do what they see fit for their child. It is not deemed child abuse but an important part of their religion and culture.
Even though Christina may have put this news out into the media i really think poeple need to understand it is her and her husbands decision and it should not reflect what kind of parents they are.
thats my 2 cents worth :thumbsup:
chicky2lala
20-03-2008, 06:27
Im passionately against circ so ofcourse I think poor max.:( Poor little baby.:(
I can't believe how self righteous some women are about circumcision. It's a personal decision, and it's nobody's place but the parent's to decide. And the fact that interfering is actively encouraged disgusts me, personally. You don't see many pro-circ women encouraging guilting friends to actively encourage circumcision on here.
Her husband is Jewish and from what I can gather Aguilera has decided to do the rather American thing of taking up Jewish rituals despite the fact that her son would not be Jewish under Jewish law.
A bris is held on the eighth day.
It's her choice, and the media's choice to announce it should not be met with disgust from any group.
:iagree::iagree:
It seems weird that we are even discussing it.....
I agree. It seems some people have too little to think about than judging other women.
tweedledee*tweedledum
16-04-2008, 09:37
When i was a kid i always used to dance around the house to her song "genie in a bottle".
It came on the TV today and i just felt sick and changed the channel.
I am wondering whether you are sickened by Michael Jackson songs when they come on also...........:rolleyes:
SorenLorensen
16-04-2008, 09:43
I am wondering whether you are sickened by Michael Jackson songs when they come on also...........:rolleyes:
if i could not watch anything with a singer/actor/entertainer in it that has done something i am dead against i might as well chuck my TV out the window:laughing:
the_queen
16-04-2008, 09:44
I am wondering whether you are sickened by Michael Jackson songs when they come on also...........:rolleyes:
I can't speak for jjj.. but I can't listen to michael jackson anymore.
Han - I think it's great that we live in a country where you can passionately defend the practices of your faith, and those opposed to such procedures on newborns can passionately denounce it. You may call "anti-circ" advocates "self-righteous" but regardless of faith/culture/tradition, circumcision is what it is and many many MANY people are sickened by it.
tweedledee*tweedledum
16-04-2008, 09:49
if i could not watch anything with a singer/actor/entertainer in it that has done something i am dead against i might as well chuck my TV out the window:laughing:
Precisely!:thumbsup:
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