help big family problem

[bronny-jane]

my brother has had full custody of his daughter since she was born she's now 6. any way she was born 9 weeks early when all this stuff unfolded his dd's mum's mother tried to kidnap her from the nicu unit:eek:

his dd's mother also took of not long after she was born has been around a total of 2 years if that, just comes and goes when she please's.

the mother and her mother are both known to doc's as her mother has been reported many times as everychild, including her own have been molested in her care.

the occasionally try to go for custody of my niece, as they see her as money from centerlink, but each time they have organised a meeting they never turn up.

now they ring my mothers house constantly wanting to talk to her and keep asking her if she wants to live with them.

i have left out a lot of really bad stuff that has been said by her mother about sexually explicit things her couisins have said that they'd do to my neice if they saw her, this is a 6 year old girl:banghead: also other violent things.

do you think there would be any way possible they would be able to get unrestricted vistation.

[jarrahsmumma]

:shame: Thats terrible. No advice though.

[Irish Dad]

Makes me sick :mad: I know what I'd do but I can't post here and would end up in jail ...... poor baby

[bronny-jane]

Makes me sick :mad: I know what I'd do but I can't post here and would end up in jail ...... poor baby

been thinking the same thing.

[Jem]

If the child is in any risk of harm, and "has" been abused whilst in these peoples care, well then i really doubt they would get unrestricted visitation rights... might help for you to get some professional advice.. an AVO would guarantee that she is safe.. and if they still continue with the phone calls etc.. then the police would come into it :) Hope this is some help to you.. good luck :fingerscrossed:

[bronny-jane]

jem, they havent had any contact with her, her mum hasnt abused her to my knowledge. with the phone calls we think she should have contact with her mother but its not just her mum, it every relitive thats around at the time.

[Jem]

with the phone calls we think she should have contact with her mother but its not just her mum, it every relitive thats around at the time.

Its a tough one?? I guess if your brother wants her to have contact with her mum, then he will have to put up with the all the baggage thats with it :confused: Question is, Whats best for the child.

[Odessa]

If DoCs are aware of the mother and grandmother's history, and those phone calls are recorded and/or reported, there is no way the mother would get unsupervised visits. Make sure everything is documented. I would have rung the Police and reported the filth the cousins have threatened, too. That's appalling.

[bronny-jane]

im more concered with how much access they would be able to get, they wanted overnight access. personally i think given the circumstances it should be done in a docs office or with police or something as they are quiet determined to get unrestricted access, which scares me alot. just concerned for her welfare dont want to see any thing bad happen

[bronny-jane]

If DoCs are aware of the mother and grandmother's history, and those phone calls are recorded and/or reported, there is no way the mother would get unsupervised visits. Make sure everything is documented. I would have rung the Police and reported the filth the cousins have threatened, too. That's appalling.

apparently docs have told my mother that if the courts did grant the mother custody they would remove her straight away, still concerned though. these people arent exactly the nicest people you could come across, and the abuse is something that they think is normal:confused: .

the mother is on disability pension as she has some brain damage from a car accident and being hit by a van when she was a child, she cant even look after herself, has doc workers organise people to come to her house to clean up for her.

maybe im stressing for no reason, i doubt that they'll ever get her.

[Jem]

apparently docs have told my mother that if the courts did grant the mother custody they would remove her straight away

maybe im stressing for no reason, i doubt that they'll ever get her.

Is there a court case pending :confused:

[bronny-jane]

not at the moment, but they go to see lawyers about 3 times a year and organise for mediation but then they never turn up. makes me made as my mother is 62 and not well and she gets stressed out when it all gets bought up again.

[Jem]

why dont they ever turn up :confused:

[bronny-jane]

who knows, but my brothers lawyer said that it also doesnt look good for them if they keep filing and then dont follow through

[Jem]

of course it wouldnt look good...maybe you dont have anything to worry about at all.. by the sounds of things:o

[bronny-jane]

thats what im hoping jem. still stressful though.

[Jem]

thats what im hoping jem. still stressful though.

yeah mate... i know all about it... :hugs: im sure things will work out for the best.... if docs , and the court can see the situation through your eyes.. then your neice will be fine :fingerscrossed:

[mum24]

Hi bronny-jane, why do you think unrestricted visitation would be allowed, given the medical and psychological history of the girls' mother? Where is the father when these calls from the mother are taken? Are there legal documents in place that cover the rights and responsibilities of the father? Absolutely the mother has a right to see her daughter but for starters it should be under controlled circumstances and any access visits should be supervised by an authority. Your concern for your niece is very touching and it sounds like your brother is very lucky to have you around. Hope your niece isn't too traumatised by the whole deal with her mum.

[bronny-jane]

we dont tell my niece the nasty stuff, she loves her mum like most 6 year olds do.
when she comes to visit it at my mums house and they dont let her take her out at all.
the phone calls are at my mums place and they listen on the other phone just to make sure things dont get nasty.
although my niece's mum want my neice to have her own mobile so she can call her when she wants

[Jem]

avo means nothing you have to prove they where ie the police catch them there,

i have been involved in docs as you all know. any one that has harmed a child sexually ,mentally , physically, emotinally , will not be granted custody expecailly sexual cases, i know as there were some when i was involved in docs, there lucky to get contact at ALL ONLY ONE I KNOW DID AND IT WAS SUPERVISED CONTACT,
WHERE THE FATHER WAS MOLESTORING THE CHILD BUT MOTHER GOT SUPERVISED CONTACT AS SHE REFUSED TO LEAVE HIM AND DOCS SAID IF SHE LEFT HIM SHE WOULD RETAIN THE CARE SO SHE CHOOSE HIM OVER HER CHILDREN,

i would go to docs te your concern how they are making threats to you neice all sexuall stuff they will do to her ie they are threating her and docs can implerment a order that they cant talk or approcach her at all have any contact with the child until the child reachs 18 if they do they are breaking the law. also they will seal and document these at high courts! this is disgusting how screwed in the head the mother and her mother is ! they dont deserve to even know your little neice!
i hope your brother the best obviously he is doing a great job ! my aht goes off to him!

unforunately it doesnt always go that way.. i wont go into too much detail, as i really dont want everyone to know all my life history.. but ppl i know very closely have been fighting for custody of a disabled girl for years, as her father has mentally, emotionally sexually abused her,... but they still granted him full custody... they went through courts.. guardianships..etc.. these people can be so smart.. and know how to play the system... after so much heartache and trying to do the best they could for the child... at the end of the day the law.. docs.. etc dont really care at all....it sux!
For an AVO all you need is a voice recorder.. and any threat made you can take action against..