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this is a new topic started from the current affairs child care one.
dealing with children infected with hiv etc at child care centres.
The infected fluids enter the body in two ways:
If the person has an open cut in the skin, even a small one, like a hang nail, a paper cut, dry and cracked skin or an open pimple.
If it lands on “naturally wet” skin, like
the mouth,
inside the nose,
the eyeball
The infected fluid seeps through this naturally wet skin very quickly and enters the blood directly
After cleaning a cut, cover sores and cuts with a bandage for 24 hours, or until a scab has formed. If splashes of blood get on anybody's skin, eyes or mouth, wash the blood off as soon as possible. Soak any bloodstained clothes in cold water first, and then use ordinary laundry soap or detergent in the normal way. Clean up any spilled blood with disposable paper towels or tissues and throw it away in a plastic bag. Use hot soapy water to clean the area, or some diluted bleach (one part bleach to nine parts water) and dispose of the dirty paper or tissues as you normally would.
so therefore if a child who is infected has a fall and grazes his/her leg and the child care providers dont see it then the child is running around with it open and ready to infect whoever comes in contact with the open wound. most children in centres go up to other kids and poke hit whatever to them, so another child would easily catch it. what if a not infected child bit the infected child and drew blood??? they are at risk of catching it because they have come in contact with the infected childs blood.
Yes i would definately take my children out of the centre as it then takes them away from a very serious risk.
but hey each to their own
misskittyfantastico
14-03-2006, 12:18
Personally I believe that a childs HIV (or other virus) status should not be disclosed at all.
In my opinion the chance of my daughter contracting HIV from another child are romote at best so even if I were made aware of someones HIV status (child or adult) I wouldn't purposely keep her away from them.
People (esp children) with this virus need to be supported not shunned (JMO):)
the_queen
14-03-2006, 12:24
Personally I believe that a childs HIV (or other virus) status should not be disclosed at all.
In my opinion the chance of my daughter contracting HIV from another child are romote at best so even if I were made aware of someones HIV status (child or adult) I wouldn't purposely keep her away from them.
People (esp children) with this virus need to be supported not shunned (JMO):)
:thumbsup: I totally agree!!
It would be completely unfair to force HIV+ children into a totally separate child care, or to keep them at home all the time. We need to teach all our children about tolerance and respect.
Chickadee
14-03-2006, 12:36
There are many countries in which AIDs and HIV in children is a much more common issue than in Australia, such as South Africa. I'm sure if anybody researched it they would find lots of info on how to let kids play safely with HIV. I wouldn't pull my child out of the daycare, but I think I would want to be reassured that the centre was handling potential blood-to-blood contacts appropriately.
Hi Pumpkin :)
I dont think you would ever have to worry about anything like that, and Im actually a bit suprised to discover that it is still believed that HIV can be transmitted so easily. In order for your child to catch HIV via a bite from another child for example, it would take an amount of saliva equivalent to a swimming pool full of water in order for your child to be at risk, ditto for kissing etc. As for a child having an open wound, again there would have to be ALOT of blood first off, and secondly, your child would have to have an open wound that just happened to have contact with this huge amount of blood. To me, its not something I would even think about, as I trust that a family that is coping with such a disease is already more than aware of what to be careful of, and would instruct the daycare accordingly, there is no need for me to know if a child at my childrens school is suffering from this disease, and if i did happen to find out, there is no way i would disrespect and embaress the family by pulling my children out, but we all have to do what we feel is right for our kids:thumbsup:
Chickadee
14-03-2006, 13:32
This link provides all the info anyone would need to know about HIV transmission: SF AIDS Fdn: AIDS 101 (http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html).
As Coopsntilly said, the risk of HIV transmission between children when they are playing is so small that it really isn't a risk.
I am quite supprised that in this day and age there are still people with the opinion that HIV is easly transmitted. As the others have pointed out its not that easy for HIV to be transmited and if I knew that a child at my kids daycare had HIV I would not pull my child out. What sort of message would you be sending to your children if you stopped them playing with a child because they have HIV?
bronny-jane
14-03-2006, 14:08
what ifs?
what if it was your child who had hiv? would you want the rest of us to ostrisize your child and not let our children play with them.
it would be a horrible situation for any parent to be in, think about how these parents & children feel.
nice link martha m i learnt alot more than i thought i would:thumbsup:
caitsmum
14-03-2006, 14:52
Pumkin
Where did you get your information from? Are you able to refrence it with quantative research? Some of it seems a little outdated for the current thoughts on HIV transmission. "Naturally wet skin" come on try mucous membrane for starters.
I am sad more than angry that some of these falacies on HIV transmission are still around.
Of course you have the right to remove your child if you feel the risk is too great but if you are going to educate others on the topic - make sure you have your facts straight.
MrsMiggins
14-03-2006, 15:33
As stated previously, I do have a great deal to say on this topic, once a new thread had been started, although it looks like pretty much everything I had to say has been said already!
Just to reiterate; No, I would categorically not even consider removing my child from a day care centre, school etc. if I discovered an HIV positive child were there. In fact, I would take it as a great opportunity to teach my child about such things and to allow them to demonstrate being able to treat people with disabilities as equals.
I absolutely do not think that the HIV status of every child should be disclosed to all parents thinking of having their children at a child care facility. I think the privacy of the parents & child/ren concerned should be protected at all costs. Unfortunately (as we have seen) there is a stigma attached to HIV & AIDS sufferers due to poor information & scare mongering (much of the damage was done in the 80's and appears to still be quite wide-spread). Would a child with cancer be subject to such teasing & ridicule?! Any children with HIV/AIDS should be loved, protected & cared for just the same as any other child. Why make an already traumatic & difficult life even harder to bear?
HIV is a viral infection spread in the same way as many other viral infections. Proper basic hygiene and an awareness of how to avoid passing the infection on is all that is needed to safeguard children in day care centres.
As a PP pointed out, there are other countries in the world where the HIV/AIDS epidemic is far more prevalent than in Australia at present & in the case of children infected with HIV living normal lives among other children, there would be many, many precendents set overseas.
Pumkin
Where did you get your information from? Are you able to refrence it with quantative research? Some of it seems a little outdated for the current thoughts on HIV transmission. "Naturally wet skin" come on try mucous membrane for starters.
I am sad more than angry that some of these falacies on HIV transmission are still around.
Of course you have the right to remove your child if you feel the risk is too great but if you are going to educate others on the topic - make sure you have your facts straight.
search google its not hard to do it is all on there but if you still need help then i will find the link again
so what are the thoughts on people in third world countries being given the pill etc to stop having kids so that there would be no need for world vision?any thoughts on the topic
Could we keep it to one inflammatory topic per thread? Please? Are you honestly interested in people's opinions on the topic or are you just stirring out of boredom?
Im with DS, Im not sure if you are implying what i think you are implying but you should at least try to keep your own thread on the right track.
Could we keep it to one inflammatory topic per thread? Please? Are you honestly interested in people's opinions on the topic or are you just stirring out of boredom?
i am curious as to everyones opinions as most of the people i have noticed on other threads shouldnt even be replying to some threads due to just pushing their own ideas onto others and belting them down if they disagree in any way.
as for boredom no sorry i am far from bored, i would love to be bored.:laughing:
Would a child with cancer be subject to such teasing & ridicule
no they wouldnt due to the fact that you cant catch cancer you can catch hiv.
HIV is a viral infection spread in the same way as many other viral infections
if that is what you think then a hiv infected person had better not breathe in your direction as that is how viral infections are most commonly caught
Yet a child with chicken pox is excluded from school until they are no longer infectious, so why should a child with a very contagious disease such as Hiv be allowed to stay at school
Pumpkin, it's obvious you're not very well educated on how HIV is contracted and spread. I suggest doing some serious research, instead of firing off half-cocked assumptions (which are all fairly far off the mark, incidentally)
Pumpkin, it's obvious you're not very well educated on how HIV is contracted and spread. I suggest doing some serious research, instead of firing off half-cocked assumptions (which are all fairly far off the mark, incidentally)
and your information is
A) you have it and know all about it
B) you are a health care provider and deal with it on a daily basis
C) you have looked up google and seen the first page and assumed you have read everything.
Yet a child with chicken pox is excluded from school until they are no longer infectious, so why should a child with a very contagious disease such as Hiv be allowed to stay at school
Chickenpox has a two-week incubation period and is highly contagious by air transmission two days before symptoms appear.
HIV, on the other hand, is spread by either sexual transmission, which occurs when there is contact between sexual secretions of one partner with the rectal, genital or oral mucous membranes of another; Blood or blood product route, by intravenous drug users (sharing needles), hemophiliacs and recipients of blood transfusions and blood products; and Mother-to-child route, The transmission of the virus from the mother to the child can occur in utero during the last weeks of pregnancy and at childbirth.
Which of these is more likely at a child care centre or school?
and your information is
A) you have it and know all about it
B) you are a health care provider and deal with it on a daily basis
C) you have looked up google and seen the first page and assumed you have read everything.
I have Senior First Aid training, and my parents were in the Police and Corrective Services, with first hand experience and training about HIV and it's prevention. My qualifications are hardly relevant, you're the one quoting googled info.
Yet a child with chicken pox is excluded from school until they are no longer infectious, so why should a child with a very contagious disease such as Hiv be allowed to stay at school
HIV is not easily contagious, please read some of the information that has been provided.
I think there is a difference between keeping your child at home for a few days because of the chicken pox, and subjecting a child who has HIV to a lifetime of ridicule and seclusion because of something that they have no control over.
Chickenpox has a two-week incubation period and is highly contagious by air transmission two days before symptoms appear.
HIV, on the other hand, is spread by either sexual transmission, which occurs when there is contact between sexual secretions of one partner with the rectal, genital or oral mucous membranes of another; Blood or blood product route, by intravenous drug users (sharing needles), hemophiliacs and recipients of blood transfusions and blood products; and Mother-to-child route, The transmission of the virus from the mother to the child can occur in utero during the last weeks of pregnancy and at childbirth.
i think you had better rego and look up google as it is spread way more ways than the sexual i didnt even bring the sexual transmission side into it just well known documented evidence on others ways which it is spread
HIV is not easily contagious, please read some of the information that has been provided.
I think there is a difference between keeping your child at home for a few days because of the chicken pox, and subjecting a child who has HIV to a lifetime of ridicule and seclusion because of something that they have no control over.
what i am saying is would you like to know if a child at school etc has school sores, chicken pox, measles rubella etc???
i know i sure as hell would so why not something way more serious like hiv/aids?
i think you had better rego and look up google as it is spread way more ways than the sexual i didnt even bring the sexual transmission side into it just well known documented evidence on others ways which it is spread
Google is no substitute for actual education and training. Which "well documented evidence" do you speak of? Do you think you can pick up HIV by hugging someone? Or off a toilet seat? By the way, I clearly stated THREE separate methods of contagion: sexual, blood to blood, and mother to child. Did you read my whole post?
what i am saying is would you like to know if a child at school etc has school sores, chicken pox, measles rubella etc???
i know i sure as hell would so why not something way more serious like hiv/aids?
School sores, chickenpox, measles and rubella are all highly contagious diseases that can be easily picked up at school. HIV is not so easily to contract. Please stop googling and pick up a medical text book, or at least go to a decent website to educate yourself about HIV.
Google is no substitute for actual education and training. Which "well documented evidence" do you speak of? Do you think you can pick up HIV by hugging someone? Or off a toilet seat?
in any of this did i say the toilet seat or hugging????:laughing:
it is transmissable from blood contact if the child has cut or scratched itself then another child may come over and touch the blood most children put their hands near their mouths without washing (they dont think to wash their hands all the time) therefore it would get into a wet contact area and could then infect that child, child care workers have to wear gloves whenever the infected child is bleeding as if they have the slightest skin cut, s****e, paper cut etc it can be transferred to them as well.
if an infected child spits into an uninfected childs eye they can be infected. there are so many more but i have kids to look after so i will post the info i found tonight once they are asleep
School sores, chickenpox, measles and rubella are all highly contagious diseases that can be easily picked up at school. HIV is not so easily to contract. Please stop googling and pick up a medical text book, or at least go to a decent website to educate yourself about HIV.
so what al the australian and international medical websites are not proper websites? with correct information? you must be a medical professor seeing as though you think you know it all.:banghead:
if an infected child spits into an uninfected childs eye they can be infected. there are so many more but i have kids to look after so i will post the info i found tonight once they are asleep
You would need to ingest bucketfuls of saliva from an HIV infected person to be at risk of contracting HIV. Where on earth did you hear this nonsense? Or did you draw your own conclusions?
Pumpkin, I have to say your information is dangerously incorrect, and I dont think you should be writing such things on a public forum, please go back and read some of the other posts, you cannot get HIV from been spat at in the eye, or from a tiny paper cut, I cannot believe that in this day and age this sort of thing is still believed :confused:
Once again a thread where Pumpkin is unlikely to change her opinion on the topic despite the lovely links to well researched info so in the interests of forum harmony it will be closed. Thanks to all who posted.
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