~*November 07 mums and bubs*~ #2 [Archive] - Bub Hub Pregnancy & Parenting Forum

AliyahBlake

15-01-2008, 19:41

Well I have had the worst day today until about an hour ago. As of this year I will be a Uni student. I want to be a Midwife and that was my first preference but didn't get that so I got my second preferance which is Nursing. I will transfer into Midwifery after the first year. YAY!!!!! :smiliedance::smiliedance::smiliedance:

I'm so excited can't get the smile off my face right now!!!!

Congratulations, hun!! :yelclap::yelclap: If you need any help with your studies, let me know. Where will you be studying?

Well, Aliyah's first day at preschool went really well - she loved it!! The teachers said she cried a little bit in the morning and wanted me, but she settled down pretty quick and by lunchtime it was all forgotten. I was pretty busy as I did the groceries with Blake this morning, then had a friend over for a chat and cuppa for a couple of hours this afternoon. Then we all went to visit our friends who live near Aliyah's preschool. Blake was pretty tired and cranky when we got home as he got to bed much later than usual, but both the kids are now asleep (thank goodness!!)

Goose - Kaitlyn sounds like she is doing very well indeed!

perrywinkle

15-01-2008, 19:58

[COLOR="Magenta"]Congratulations, hun!! :yelclap::yelclap: If you need any help with your studies, let me know. Where will you be studying?

Oh are you a nurse??? If I need help I promise I will ask for your help. I'm going to study it externally through Charles Darwin University and then hopefully transfer to UniSA into Midwifery.

MumofLeeandLana

15-01-2008, 20:01

Congratulations to Perrywinkle! :yes:

tally

15-01-2008, 20:12

Congrats Kylie :smiliedance::smiliedance::smiliedance:

We've had a horrific day too.. I think Rylan slept for about 10mins all day.. I've just got him down about 1/2hr ago so fingers crossed he actually stays there.

Looking forward to bed time tonight... still have everything to do that I didnt get done today....

AliyahBlake

15-01-2008, 20:13

Oh are you a nurse??? If I need help I promise I will ask for your help. I'm going to study it externally through Charles Darwin University and then hopefully transfer to UniSA into Midwifery.
Yup, I'm an RN. I went to CSU in Bathurst, NSW from 1993-1995. I probably won't be much use with the middy stuff, but you can still try me if you get stuck with anything, and I'll try my best to help!

tally

15-01-2008, 20:24

that didnt last long hes awake again.. could be in for a great night not... :dizzy:

AliyahBlake

15-01-2008, 20:27

That's a bugger, Tally...good luck!!

Moops

15-01-2008, 20:38

OMG! OMG!

Luca slept for 8 hours straight last night!!! He dropped his middle feed at 2-3am and woke at 7am so I fed him and he went back down for another 21/5 hours! I woke in such a panic and rushed to his room and he looked really still and pale - my heart went in my mouth! I hate to admit it but I gave him a little nudge and he moved so I tip toed back to bed!

He still took about an hour to settle and go to sleep but I can't believe he slept for so long! I'm so proud of my little boy! I bet it was just a once off though haha.

Luca has his needles next week, I know it sounds dumb but I'm really dreading it, I'm too sensitive! How many do they have to have?

Roxy76

15-01-2008, 21:48

Mel - thinking of you sweetheart! :hugs::hugs::hugs:

Roxy76

15-01-2008, 21:50

Nan

15-01-2008, 21:52

OMG Moops, thats awesome. Must have been the night for it because Caleb slept for 7 hours straight last night for the first time!!! :yelclap: Long may it continue!!!

mel - So sorry to hear about your nanna. :hugs:

RB, Sandra & whoever else!! - I'd wake them up for sure. I read somewhere that doing things at the same time each day is very good for your babies body clock, helping babies do things for themselves etc.

perrywinkle - Congratulations!! I did half of Nursing before transferring to teaching. The first year has lots of 'yucky' nursing (I think they do it to sort the sheep from the goats!), but stick with it, coz it'll all lead where you want to end up. Good luck!

goose - So glad things are going well.

I've forgotten the other personals.....so sorry. I hate to miss people.

We had our 6 week check ups today. I'm fine. Apparently my muscles 'down there' are very toned!!! :laughing: So why do I keep peeing myself?? :confused: :laughing: Sorry if TMI!!

Caleb's stats are:
weight: birth, 3.2kg - now, 5.1kg
length: birth, 47cm - now, 56cms
head: birth, 33cms - now, 38cms
He's doing well. The doc thought she detected a very slight heart murmur, so we have to go to a pead. for a 2nd opinion, but she said its probably nothing to worry about. She wanted to be safe rather than sorry. We also have to go and see a willy specialist as when he was born some of his willy was attached to his scrotum and they aren't sure if it is going to need an op to detach it or if it will do it on its own. Apart from that he's great. He had a fantastic sleep last night as mentioned earlier!

Love & hugs to all.

sandralee

16-01-2008, 06:26

Nan - november must have been the month for willy issues, lol, Noah had an undescended testicle which has corrected itself now. The paed was going to give it 7mths to drop on it's own, before operating on it - so I am happy it sorted itself out. THe last word you want to hear when you have just given birth to a precious little bundle is 'surgery!' xx oo xx
:hugs:for everyone!
Can't remember enough to do personals, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. On a positive note Steve bought me a copy of The Baby Whisperer - hope I have the attention span to learn something from it today!
Moops - 'Holy ship' - 7hrs! - LOL, did you sedate him? If so, what with? :D xx

perrywinkle

16-01-2008, 06:55

perrywinkle - Congratulations!! I did half of Nursing before transferring to teaching. The first year has lots of 'yucky' nursing (I think they do it to sort the sheep from the goats!), but stick with it, coz it'll all lead where you want to end up. Good luck!

He's doing well. The doc thought she detected a very slight heart murmur, so we have to go to a pead. for a 2nd opinion, but she said its probably nothing to worry about. She wanted to be safe rather than sorry. We also have to go and see a willy specialist as when he was born some of his willy was attached to his scrotum and they aren't sure if it is going to need an op to detach it or if it will do it on its own. Apart from that he's great. He had a fantastic sleep last night as mentioned earlier!

Love & hugs to all.

Oh lovely!!! I did lots of that stuff in Agriculture at school so that's no dramas for me. Needles are a worry funnily enough but I'll have to get over that!!!

Keep us posted about the heart murmur. Hope everything's going to be OK!! :hugs:

Well we slept from 7.30pm - 5.30am!!!! That's 10hrs with out waking up! DH had his alarm going off at 5am and I paniked because she hadn't woken up LOL!!! Went in and she was still breathing :yelclap: And she even went down easy too!!!

Lets hope we have a better day today because yesterday wasn't a good one for me!!!

sniper wolf

16-01-2008, 08:48

yay for the good sleepers!

mine now has a new overnight routine - sleeps in 2 x 5 hours blocks eg 9-2am, then 3am - 8am.

Nan - :hugs: to you & many congrats on the 7 hours. sounds like he is thriving to me.

sandralee - what a clever little boy you have.

I really understanmd hearing about those having trouble with sleeps in the day. monday was a nightmare (2 x 30 mins) but yesterday was great with 2 decent sleeps and a few catnaps, she was well rested and not frantic or overtired and was able to have some decent playtimes. rather than looking off to the side struggling to stay awake, she had good eye contact and attention spans and actually looked like she enjoyed the rainforest bouncer and playgym. HOORAY!:flowerz:

tally

16-01-2008, 08:50

After last nights fiasco.. I think we finally got him settled around 11pm.. he slept till 4am fed and slept again till 7.30 pretty happy with that. Hope today is better.

I need to vent.. I dont normally and put up with most stuff but my dh is driving me mad atm.. Sunday when we went ice skating I had to go to the shops first so I left dh with the boys and asked him to change Rylan into some warm clothes, had them out ready and he turns up to the ice rink in his summer shortall.. :no: I then get home and the lunch dishes are still on the table.. how hard is it to do 2 small things. Then last night he put zade to bed after I'd washed everything and he didnt put his slumber mat on and the first time in weeks Zade wet so here I am at midnight outside washing the mattress.. :mad:

Then this morning I get a phone call from someone wanting me to sort out a mortgage for them.. ffs I'm meant to be on maternity leave, I still do at least a day or more a week in our business as it is without adding to it.. He seems to think I can move mountains.. grrrrrr

Argh... I'll get over it like I usually do... just a tad tired and grumpy and fell like s*&^ this morning.. :(

melbryan

16-01-2008, 09:06

AliyahBlake

16-01-2008, 09:11

Just posting this again as it was in other thread which is now closed :D

Does anyone use a pump for expressing? which one do you have and how do u find it?

i have the avent manual one but am not happy with it, so looking at getting another - maybe electric - and maybe a double option, but not sure!

Thanks girls! :flowerz:
Roxy - maybe give the Breastfeeding Association a ring or visit their website (the info is here on Bubhub somewhere) - they'd be able to give you some good advice on pumps. I use a Tommee Tippee one (manual) and it's been OK.

Moops - WOW!!!!!! :yelclap: Yay for Luca!!! I am so jealous, but good on you guys - I hope Luca continues this sleeping pattern! Oh and big claps for Caleb too, Nan! Actually, claps to all of you who are getting more than 4 hours in a row of sleep....still waiting for Blake to decide to sleep longer!

Mel - :hugs::hugs: to you and your family. Thinking of you and my prayers are with your nan.

Perrywinkle - you'll be right - yes the first year of a nursing course is designed to sort everyone out and find the "true nurses", but stick to it as it's worth it in the end...and we need more nurses!!!!

Tally - :hugs: to you too for having a bad time of it lately.

Roxy76

16-01-2008, 09:16

OMG! OMG!

Luca slept for 8 hours straight last night!!!

That is awesome!!!!!!!!! So happy for u! :yelclap: Well done Luca, for being nice and letting mama sleep! :thumbsup:

I know how great it feels, as Maddison is going great at long sleeps through the night. Last night was about 10ish to 7ish this morning, then got her up at 7:30am for nappy change etc and then fed her at about 7:45am. Was a very nice sleep for me!! :smiliedance:

Nan

16-01-2008, 14:04

MrsScatterbrain

16-01-2008, 14:15

Oooh, I'm so slack with keeping up with you guys! :D

Mel - so sorry to hear about your Nana. :hugs:

Congratulations Periwinkle! Thats incredible, studying with a baby!! I really, really, really admire those studying nursing - I could never do it myself. (Weak tummy!!)

:hugs: tally - these things always happen at once, don't they?

:smiliedance: Yay! For Luca and Caleb, champion sleepers!! Hang on ... Roxy76 - that's a 9 hour stretch for Maddison, isn't it? WOW! I think our little man's record is 6 hours. Oh, my boobs were like rocks!

Nan - sorry to hear about Calebs heart murmur and willy problems - hope everything sorts itself out. He's going fantastically, isn't he? I remember you worrying about Eden's growth around the same time in her babyhood, Caleb's steaming ahead!

We're gradually getting used to a madhouse!! By the time I've put Ben down, then fed and settled Thomas in the middle of the day, I collapse like a marathon runner! There are seriously never enough hours in the day! By nighttime, I'm nearly in a coma! :laughing:

Thomas is growing up every day - I can't wait to see more of his personality emerge. He LOVES his big brother! Ben gets more smiles than DH and I! :p

AliyahBlake

16-01-2008, 16:19

What a day!! Well, Blake has now been circumcised (I wasn't going to post it here because of the potential backlash, but stuff it!!). He coped very well with the whole procedure and didn't cry! He even smiled at me when I went into the doctor's room after the procedure was finished! He's been a bit whingy the last hour or so, but it's more from tiredness than pain as it's his usual cranky cry, not a pain cry. He won't settle with me though, only with Craig.....must be a bloke thing!!:D

About 15 mins after I got home from that, one of our friends (who we've just spent 2 weeks camping with) rang and told us he's been diagnosed with whooping cough :hair:. He was crook the whole time we were away with him, but just thought he had the flu. We have since had a virus - only Aliyah and I had coughs. Craig and I panicked a bit, and we all trudged off to our GP to get checked. Now we all have to take a course of antibiotics!!

perrywinkle

16-01-2008, 19:27

AB - What a brave little boy you have there. It's totally up to you whether you circumcise or not but you're a brave woman. I would have been a mess.

We have had such a pleasent day today. I thought she'd be a nightmare seeing as though she slept for so long last night but she was a little angel. She had a 3hr sleep then 2hr then 1hr sleep today and has gone back down at 7pm with no hassles.

:fingerscrossed: this lasts a while which I know it wont LOL!!!

sandralee

16-01-2008, 20:06

Eek I would freak out with the circumcision too - you ARE brave!! I will probably be in tears when Noah gets immunised LOL.. I am SO not looking forward to that.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family at this time MelB, your nanna must feel blessed to have a grandaughter like you. :kiss:
I have fiddled around with Noah's sleep patterns today - scarey I know lol - he has been sleeping in big chunks each day, with not a lot of awake time in between/sleeping in nice sized blocks til around 4am (which has become his 'most alive' time of the day.. his little dark eyes dance around the room & he is full of smiles and goos.) So turned his swing off after he slept for 2hrs on each occasion today, to try to wake him gently.. and also kept him up and played for an hour in between sleeps. Have now put him in the swing for one last sleep -and in an hour or so I will feed him and put him in his cot for the night. Just curious to see if I can encourage bigger sleeps during the night, by changing his patterns during the day!!!
Noah has been really funny with Steve for the last few weeks, definitely not as settled! He doesn't get to spend a lot of time with him, especially since going back to work. Steve tried to give him a bottle of EBM tonight & Noah screamed the house down for most of the time he was being held. Freaks me out!! They need to spend more time together to build up their rapport agan I think. I hate to be the only one in this house who Noah settles for, and I need Steve to work on that - or I will never feel comfortable going anywhere where I have to leave Noah at home. Grrrrr :hair: xxxxx

Moops

16-01-2008, 20:24

Roxy - I have the Avent manual one, too. I haven't used it with Caleb, he has only had boobies so far. When I used it with Eden I didn't find it all that good, but I think it was more me than the pump. I don't think my technique was very good.

Caleb slept 4.5 hours last night. Knew it was too good to be true!! :rolleyes: I shouldn't complain though, because he is settling to sleep really well now. No troubles whatsoever at night and only the odd whimper in the day.

Same here! Luca slept for 4hrs, then 3 then 2.. it wasn't too bad but not 8 hours!! I need some advice. We put Luca to bed at 7pm but he only sleeps for an hour maybe an hour and a half then he's wide awake till 10pm when we feed him again, settle him and then he starts his long stretch. Any ideas why??

Roxy I have the Avent breastpump but I don't use it, the suction doesn't work properly so I was expressing manually which took forever so now I don't bother!

AB- I just thought that all boys were circumcised, naive I know but I was fully prepared to do it but it isn't done here at all and DH was against it so we didn't. What a brave little boy!

tally

16-01-2008, 21:45

Glad it went well for you Ab. He sounds like a brave little boy..

Mel sorry about your Nana we're going thro similar here to, we expected my grandfather to pass away xmas day but hes still with us and underwent a major operation today... I havent heard anything yet so I'm assuming it went ok.

I have a Nuk electric breastpump, havent used it this round but it was a life safer with Zade, best $100 I spent where that was concerned.

Moops, 7pm might be a tad early or him, have you tried keeping him up another hour or so and see how that goes. We find Rylans better if he doesnt go down till 8 at the earliest. They will settle into a earlier time slot as they get older, well all my boys have so far.

Our day was ok. Rylan didnt sleep much again, but he went down at a reasonable time tonight.

Today was one of those days where I just wanted to run away from everything, might have just been everything with my grandfather and Rylan being a turd.

Bye for now..xx

Kizmet

16-01-2008, 22:14

Just a quick one
Thankyou for all the well wishes,

My Nanna has been sent home from hospital on a machine to give her no pain in her final days. When she goes I will be on the plane to her funeral. She had asked for all of her 13 kids to be with her to say goodbye so my dad is flying out tommorrow night.

Love to all,
Mel x

My thoughts are with you mel :hugs: :hugs: if there is anything I can do!

What a day!! Well, Blake has now been circumcised (I wasn't going to post it here because of the potential backlash, but stuff it!!). He coped very well with the whole procedure and didn't cry! He even smiled at me when I went into the doctor's room after the procedure was finished! He's been a bit whingy the last hour or so, but it's more from tiredness than pain as it's his usual cranky cry, not a pain cry. He won't settle with me though, only with Craig.....must be a bloke thing!!:D

So so so glad to hear everything went well hun! :hug:

westerner

16-01-2008, 22:21

:hugs: Nicole.. Im glad you felt you were able to post about your day here..
Although we may all have different opinions on certain parenting methods/choices i do believe that we will still support each other and none of us November mummy's would judge you negatively or provide any backlash..
We are a caring supportive bunch for sure.. :thumbsup:

Glad it went well and your little guy was such a trooper.. :hugs:

Big :yelclap: for all you babies letting your mummy's have some sleep.. :sleeping:

Im excited.. I just ordered my trial pack of greenkids.. Cant wait to get them and try them out.. And if i love them then i'll be ordering the 20 pack.. :smiliedance:
Shes starting to do good sized wees and i dont know how much longer my flats would handle it before they started leaking through..
Whoo hoo cant wait to get fluffy mail..

AliyahBlake

17-01-2008, 10:20

:hugs: Nicole.. Im glad you felt you were able to post about your day here..
Although we may all have different opinions on certain parenting methods/choices i do believe that we will still support each other and none of us November mummy's would judge you negatively or provide any backlash..
We are a caring supportive bunch for sure.. :thumbsup:

Glad it went well and your little guy was such a trooper.. :hugs:

Thanks guys! It's a bit of a sensitive issue, but I knew everyone here would be supportive regardless of their own ideas on it. I was more worried about the occassional lurkers who aren't Nov mummies that might have a go - I know some people have extreme views against it!

Blake had a surprisingly good night - was asleep by about 7:30pm, awake at 12:30am and 6am. He's been pretty happy this morning except the antibiotics have started giving him diarrhoea, so I'm changing his nappy every couple of hours. That's fine though as I would have done that anyway to keep everything nice and clean!

Roxy76

17-01-2008, 10:27

my beautiful girl slept from 10pm till 7:30am last night!! :yelclap: she is so good!

she got herself into this sleep thru the night routine and it is fantastic! her last feed is between 9:30-10:30pm lately. I have found it helps to do some cluster feeding from 6:30pm - on and off boob and little formula. Then full formula feed as last feed. It is working, so we are happy! :flowerz:

And she is so happy in the mornings when she wakes up and will often lie in the bassinette occupying herself for 30mins to an hour, then all smiles when pick her up for cuddles and nappy. Then will feed and have another little snooze for 1-2 hours. Then has awake/play time, some boob, awake time, then bottle formula. Sometimes she has a sleep in afternoon, but usually just cat naps till evening, plus play and cuddles etc, feeds, then sleep and starts again! lol she is just so gorgeous! in between all this has vomits, reflux, hiccups, some tummy/wind pain etc...but part & parcel i guess..we just feel sorry for her :( in pain! not nice at all!!

Here are few latest pics of her:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/Cupcake%20Maddison/140108_flowers2.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/Cupcake%20Maddison/080108_mrzippy2.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/Cupcake%20Maddison/080108_bouncer4.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/Cupcake%20Maddison/140108stare.jpg

Rainbowbrite

17-01-2008, 11:24

Hi ladies,

Roxy, she is adorable!!!

Just wanted to thank Moops for posting the sleep stuff :hugs: It will change tonight cause I'm talking about it, but i've been doing the cluster feeds from 4-6, bath at 6.30 & then feed & down in the rocker in the lounge till I go to bed, then a dream feed when I take him to our room......................Its been making him sleep through till 4.30am :D:D Will keep it up I think, i'm loving the sleep. But he's up again at 5.30 for another quick feed & then he grunts & groans till 6.30 & he's wide awake then. This morning though, I put him in bed with me & we slept in till 7.30 :smiliedance: MJ woke at the same time.

Now for a whinge. Have had my niece here for a few days & am now counting down the hours till my sister comes to pick her up. She is so lazy, keeps teling MJ what to do, & is just a PITA (sorry). She knows I have an inspection tomorrow but all she has done is sleep on the lounge. I woke her at 11 to have a shower!!

Ok i'll go quietly now, just needed to get that off my chest :o

kaybee

17-01-2008, 11:35

Nicole - wow what a brave boy!:yelclap:
Roxy - Maddison is absolutely adorable!! What a good sleeper she is too! I mentioned in the previous thread that I have a Tommee Tippee Closer to Nature Manual Pump and it seems fine.
RB - what a pain! I can understand you being v.frustrated with her!
Sandralee - my DH has been having some problems as well. He's feeling quite left out since he went back to work as he works quite long hours. he doesn't get to spend the time with Ava that he would like and is starting to not want to settle in his arms only with me. I try to get him to hold her/play with her when he gets home and I cook tea & clean up afterwards. Also now that I am solely BF he cna't be involved in feeding her either. I haven't expressed for a few weeks, as I found that I wasn't getting much out, too much effort for too little gain. May have to give it another go, so he can give her the last feed around 10pm.

:hugs::hugs: for those whose bubba's aren't sleeping well.

MrsScatterbrain

17-01-2008, 13:00

in between all this has vomits, reflux, hiccups, some tummy/wind pain etc...but part & parcel i guess..we just feel sorry for her :( in pain! not nice at all!!

Roxy - Thomas does this as well! Poor little mites, I suppose they just grow out of it?

Both my little men are asleep at the moment! BLISS! :yes: The quiet, the quiet! :D

sandralee

17-01-2008, 14:29

Moops - get a copy of that book "the baby whisperer".. it hs been mentioned here before. Explains SO MUCH! Steve bought me home a copy yesterday & I have been cram studying so I know what to do next lol. It has approx 360 pages and so far I have read almost 70. Started the techniques last night and Noah slept from 7pm-2.30am (I gave him a dreamfeed around 9.30pm before I wentto bed.) His 2.30am wakeup has been consistently habitual, where he only feeds for a couple of minutes, so I know we will be able to cut that out eventually. Haven't put him back in his nursery yet, as it will be too much change at once - so keeping him in our room in the portable cot for a few nights to ease him into the transition. His wind has been so bad since birth, and I am hoping by following this routine that it eases for him. Didn't see a big improvement with Infacol for the past 2wks, well not a significant change as he is still extremely windy around 4am. After reading about reflux in that book, I think he maybe suffers from it occasionally. One of the symptoms was spluttering on milk while breastfeeding - but that could just be how they cope with a big letdown too. All a bit of guesswork really, but I am giving the techniques a go (from the book) because they resonate with me. She is an advocate for the babies of the world and makes a lot of (loving) sense. Noah falls mainly into the Touchy baby category, with also a touch of Spirited baby and Grumpy baby. He gives unfamiliar faces a grumpy staredown, & hates a lot going on around him at once - according to the book they get better with shopping malls etc as they get a bit older, but too much too soon can really freak them out. Nothing fazes the placid babies, it just comes down to their personality types. She says to accept the baby you HAVE, rather than wish for the baby you WANT.. or something like that. I highly recomment the book based on what I have read so far - I also speed-read a couple of other chapters, and it really makes sense. Gotta go and read some more while Noah is sleeping, so I am prepared for anything that goes pearshaped. Still have him in the swing for day sleeps until we go to the next step and get him back in his nursery cot. One step at a time for me - just like the babies, lol, one step at a time is all I can handle too!
Haven't even hd my morning shower yet cos I am dedicated to seeing this through (reading like mad!:D) and make some positive changes. So far so good. Will figure out how to leave the house once I have this stuff a bit more flowing. The routine is easy enough to do anywhere, but the key is consistency according to this lady. Told Steve to order any of her previous books as well, where she focuses more on newborns. This book takes you right up to toddler age.
LOTS OF LOVE AND RAINBOWS TO ALL OF YOU!
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Kizmet

17-01-2008, 16:55

sandralee i love the baby whisperer! which book did you get? the secrets of the baby whisperer or the baby whisperer solves all your problems?

we use her routine here with Robbie but knew it worked as we used it with Abby and it is just brilliant! Such loving common sense but it just helps to read it from someone else eh!

Having a really bad family time here at the moment with my grandma. She finally agreed to go into a respite centre but the condition of her release to there was that she was eligible for a portable oxygen tank as the respite centre is more like a motel for old people with no medical things on site. Anyway they assessed her today for the oxygen and she isnt eligible. Her saturation levels are too low so she needs to stay in hospital or go to a nursing home :( my nana is devastated and has completely fallen apart as has my brother, my mum is holding it together in front of my nana but is falling apart to me.

Anyway I wont go into more details but thats why i havent been posting as much just havin ga hard time getting my head around everything atm.

Things with Robbie are going well. Smiling a lot more and has discovered his hands and that he controls them so that is pretty funny he looks at them with amazement :laughing:
anyway will be back later hopefully

take care all

sandralee

17-01-2008, 20:58

The problem solving book - have also asked Steve to get anything else she has written so I can study it lol!! Everything went well for the most part, came into some catnapping though in the late arvo which threw me off a bit - I hadn't read enough of the book to implement it properly, and know what to do as 'problems' came up.. so won't start it now until next week sometime. In the meantime I shall be doing the basics and make a decent start. Not putting him back in his nursery until we have moved the dogs outside, cos they are pretty noisy near his room. (being 2 big rotties) We have always let them sleep in the laundry of a night, but now I need the laundry for we humans lol, and any extra peace and quiet would be welcome! So we decided to air conditon the garage for them instead & that won't be happening until next week.
I forget who posted about using the baby whisperer techniques (Nan or Kaybee??) but have a question.. Noah is getting his immunisations next week, should I try starting him with this routine then? Or leave it for a few days after his needles so that he isn't out of sorts from that?
For anyone who is starting the techniques, be warned that it is tiring lol..but I have the bigger picture in mind so that's what helps me perservere.
Sweet dreams xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox:hugs:

Moops

17-01-2008, 21:51

RB - I'm so happy that the tips are helping you and Ani is sleeping well!

I went out yesterday afternoon to meet some gf's for coffee and it completely mucked up our routine and he didn't go to sleep till 1am, but then he slept for 5 hours, 3hrs then another 3.

Sandralee - think I will definitely get that book I don't know what to do when things go pearshaped! I think you asked before about having a toy in with him, Luca loves his comforter blanket he sleeps well when it is in his arms and touching his face. When he doesn't want it anymore he just pushes it away, it's really light and small.

DH is driving me crazy he has no patience with the night time routine and makes the whole experience even worse. If he was supportive and positive I would be really encouraged to get the routine sorted but he just gets really frustrated everytime he cries and I just end up getting really stressed out. I do both night/morning feeds and look after him all day, I hate it when DH gets frustrated with Luca after only being home for an hour! It's like his sleep is more important than mine and he wants me to do everything!

One of the girls from my antenatal class has hired a night nurse to sleep over for a week and do all the feeds so her and her DH can sleep and go out! At around $270 a night! Oh to be rich...

AliyahBlake

18-01-2008, 08:24

Hi girls,
Just a quick post for now - I think I neglected Aliyah a bit yesterday as Blake was pretty unsettled so I'm going to take her out and find something for us to do together today. She was a pain in the bum yesterday, but I know she was only wanting some attention, and I feel guilty about being cranky with her.

The Baby Whisperer books sound pretty good - I've never read them, but I might have a look next time I'm at the library to see if it's there. I might even try and score a 2nd hand copy cheap on Ebay. Blake's all over the place with his routine now since his circ, and he's going for his needles next week, so I might need some advice to get him back into a routine again once that's all over! He was awake every 4 hours last night!

Kate - I'm sorry to hear things aren't going well with your grandmother. I hope it turns out ok :hugs:

Catch you all later on! :)

Rainbowbrite

18-01-2008, 08:57

So sorry about your nan Kate :hugs: MSN wont let me login today so cant chat :mad:

So much for that....my sister & neice were here last night so it stuffed everything up & as a result, it took Anakin ages to settle, & he was awake at 10.30, 2, 4.30, 5.30. Hopefully with my niece gone :smiliedance: Things will be back to normal tonight.

Just waiting for the real estate to show up for an inspection......they were due an hour ago!!

sandralee

18-01-2008, 10:31

RB - woohoo! Your niece is gone YAY!! xx
Moops - WOuldn't it be unreal if there was an apartment block where we could all get together, and get our babies into routines for a month!?! An all-girl house or something, where we could support each other while going through so much with our bodies and our babies. <drools at the thought>
I feel all over the shop at the moment - I think I will feel better after Noah and I are following some sort of routine & I know what is happening next lol. My mum came down again last night and is staying until monday, when Noah is booked in for his injections. She is a nurse and was telling me to rub/massage his thighs before the injections to get the circulation going, and also to try and get him to keep his leg relaxed during the whole thing. His last feed before I put him to bed was 7.30, gave him a dreamfeed at 9.30 when I went to bed, and he didn't actually wake until close to 1am..then his usual 2.30am.. and 5am for his regular f@rt marathon. Found it hard to maintain the sleep-feed-play routine today, cos my mum was playing with him when he woke (rather than me feeding him first).. so we are a little backwards this morning!!! <tearing hair out> Then cos he was getting tired (which happens in a split second lol) he didn't have a long feed.. then wanting another one an hour later. Man! I am tempted to say no to house guests for a month, and decline any kind of social gathering, so that I can see if things get better for us once in a great routine. I get distracted with different people here, and it doesn't take much for Noah to get distracted by anything either!! (Especially a doting grandma who tells me he never looks tired and then keeps him up for longer!) Feel like keeping everything simple, and giving it my best shot. So easy to get out of whack,. which is why a month sounds good, to have a routine which feels like second nature after that time.
Time to do yet another load of washing for me.. and then write a list of everything I have to get done.. in the one book... rather than 200 post-its stuck all over the house lol.
Big fuzzy wuzzy hugs to you all!!!!!!!!!!! xxxxx

sniper wolf

18-01-2008, 12:34

8 week immunisation today! all went well, only cried when needles went in. she's been given some panadol and now hopefully she can get some sleep because she's sooo tired from broken routine.

hi to everyone! Hope your weekends are looking good!

Vespera

18-01-2008, 12:38

hey girls

Well Connor had his needles yesterday. He was a brave little man but had a fever yesterday afternoon which was not good - especially as it was hot here as well. He just napped on me all afternoon but then still slept for 5 hours plus 3 hours from about 3am this morn so cant be unhappy about that!

My sis is here at the moment for a couple of days - its kinda sad that I am looking forward to getting stuff done around the house while she entertains him during the day.

Seems like everyones sleep issues are slowly working themselves out - think I will definatley buy the baby whisperer book.... Most sleep makes me a much happier mummy!

shymmer

18-01-2008, 14:19

I hear you Sandralee - my SIL has been looking after Xav so I can sleep soundly, but it puts any sort of routine completely out of whack as she(and my sis) let Xav sleep on their chests the WHOLE time, she plays with Xav first before bringing her to me to feed and often will stimulate Xav rather than recognise the tired signs etc . and anytime Xav stirs she talk to her and it wakes her up! So the help is great but has it's down side.

I think I will have to limit anymore help marathons to try and establish a routine. It makes me sound so ungrateful (and sometimes I really need the break), but it's not going to happen with well-meaning, over-cuddley,extra doting, completely smitten women hanging around 24hrs a day!! You know how addictive cuddling a baby is!!

Xav had her needles yeaterday . . three of them! And an oral liquid. Poor bub, she screamed the whole time and the oral meds gave her diarreah. So she was more unsettled last night, I gave her panadol and a long shower to help. Seems good today, though maybe some wind or continuing tummy upset from the meds? For those with upcoming immunisations, you could start a routine now - but so be prepared that bub might need more cuddles and feel a bit off after needles.

Now contraversial topic ahead . . . I am giving Xav really runny Farex to help with her wind. So far so good. Not a total cure but she is moving the wind out so much easier. I mix about 1/2 a teasp with formula. It's basically liquid and I syringe it into her mouth when she is content and happy. I give it 2 - 3 times a day. I have heard of a few women who've done this - as early as 2weeks old. Pureed pears is also an option. Just thought some of you might want to consider it if your bub's are having real wind problems.

Melbryan and Kiz - sorry your families are going through such difficult times right now.
Moops - I have officially entered the 'resentful of Dh's free time and adequate sleep' phase too. If he says he's tired one more time . . . .

High recommendations of 'Secrets of The Baby Whisperer' from here girls (scored my copy from an ebay store - cheaper than bookshop).

To help in getting a routine set up, I'm working on only one or two things at a time.
So this next week I'm focusing on not givng boob inbetween feeds - min 2hr break. And putting Xav down to go to sleep by herself.
My long term goal is to have Xav accepting the bottle/formula by 3mths old. (she is currently refusing the bottle - when she used to take it. :mad: . .any tips?)

Have a good weekend ladies.

kaybee

18-01-2008, 14:54

SandraLee - Ava seems to have a windy time every morning at 4am too! DH gets really annoyed becoz she wont settle in 30 sec, if he gets up. P*sses me off! He does the oh I'm so tired routine too!!:mad:

Kiz - sorry to hear about your Grandma.:hugs:

I have to get this Baby Whisperer book too, it sounds good. Can you only get it by ordering on-line??

Ava's needles are next week, I didn't realise it could have such an effect on them. I will have to get some Baby Panadol just in case. She also has to have a bood test next week for her thyroid. Not v.good timing! Poor thing.

Thankfully Ava doesn't mind going to the shops and is a v.good girl. Went this morning and she slept for most of the 3 hours we were there!

Have a 3rd b'day party tomorrow. Hopefully she'll be okay there. I used to think my friends were being slack when they didn't want to go out becoz it upset their babies routine. Now I know what they mean. Not looking forward to this party. All the screaming kids and maybe not getting her to sleep at the right time. oh well.

Hope everyone has a good weekend.

AliyahBlake

18-01-2008, 15:21

OMG I didn't think it was possible!!! I just managed to vacuum the whole house (except Blake's room) while he is asleep, and he didn't wake up!!! :smiliedance: Before this I've been waiting til Craig's home so he can keep Blake away from the areas I've been vacuuming, but the house was desperate for attention so I thought I'd try it. The vacuum never used to bother Aliyah, but with the way Blake has been the last couple of days I thought it'd probably disturb him...glad I was wrong!

Glad to hear all the recent immunisations have gone well. I'm leaving Blake's till next week to give him a chance to get over his circ. Aliyah coped very well with hers when she was a baby so I'm pretty sure Blake will go ok with his.

Shana - not sure I'd give the Farex a go this early (even if it is only a little bit) as it's bad for a young baby's digestive and immune system - http://www.ninemonths.com.au/introducing-solid-foods.html. Did you get advice on it from a nurse or GP? Anyway, I guess in the end it's your bub and your decision.....as long as you are aware of the consequences.:)

Here's some good advice from the Better Health website (which I often refer people to when I'm working for Nurse on Call) on wind and colic in babies - http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Colic?OpenDocument= It advises that before implementing any type of treatment for a baby's symptoms, to seek medical advice first for a proper diagnosis..............OK I'll take off my nurse hat now!!

OK, Blake's now awake and cranky :rolleyes: so will be back later.

Kizmet

18-01-2008, 19:47

I forget who posted about using the baby whisperer techniques (Nan or Kaybee??) but have a question.. Noah is getting his immunisations next week, should I try starting him with this routine then? Or leave it for a few days after his needles so that he isn't out of sorts from that?

:wave: tis me! We used the techniques with Abby and got the book off the shelf again for use with the Robster. I would actually suggest trying to get him used to the routine before the injections. If he finds comfort in stability and predictability which most babies do then he will be somewhat eased by things going 'back to normal' . Robbie had his immunisations and he was fine after. He did cry when the needles went in and spat the oral liquid out (wasnt prepared for that one :laughing: it wasnt on the immunisation schedule when Abby had hers) but after that he was fine. A bit more cuddly than usual but we expected that. We pretty much expected him to be out of sorts, clingy, whingey, possibly spewey and just cranky for the first 24-48 hours after the immunisations but we were happily surprised he wasnt that bad!

That is my new method...go in thinking the worst and then everything from there is a pleasant surprise :laughing:

MumofLeeandLana

18-01-2008, 20:26

Hi everyone!! My little miss had her injections today and I can already see what sort of a personality she is going to have... drama queen! Talk about whingeing! My DS got over his startle straight away, but she has been terrible. Of course, no one likes needles but yeh lol I would probably be worse if i had 3 at the one time. (I know where she gets her whingeing from...definitely me).

I think I might buy this baby whisperer book... I done the controlled crying method for DS but would b good to get a head start on this one.

Oh and one more thing, after reading all your posts im so glad I'm not the only one ready to take her hubbys head off! Mine seems to think its all about him and that DD shouldnt b waking him up and that HE is tired and HE is sleepy. Pffffffffffffffft!! Ok thats off my chest :) Dont know any of u ladies very well but its good to just get it off my chest!!

Bye Bye!!!

Nan

18-01-2008, 20:33

Howdy ladies! YAY! The weekend is here. I'm not looking forward to next week though coz Shane goes back to work!! Aaaaarrrrggghhh!

my beautiful girl slept from 10pm till 7:30am last night!! she is so good!
Woohoo! That's great! What gorgeous pics, too. She looks so much more grown up.

RB - Has your niece gone now? What a drama. I don't like house guests who don't help out. Such a pain. Goodluck with the new routine. I'm sure he'll do great.

sandralee & kaybee - Its hard when they don't settle as well with the blokes isn't it? Then they feel bad like they are inadequate or something and get angry and frustrated easily. Shane went through this with Eden. This time he hasn't because he's been too busy helping me with her while I've been with Caleb. I have noticed he settles better for me, but Shane doesn't seem as phased this time........probably because he can practice his 'daddy skills' on Eden.

Anyway I wont go into more details but thats why i havent been posting as much just havin ga hard time getting my head around everything atm.

Things with Robbie are going well. Smiling a lot more and has discovered his hands and that he controls them so that is pretty funny he looks at them with amazement
Oh hun. :hugs: I hope things become less stressful soon. I'm so glad Robbie is doing well. Caleb discovered his hands just today. He looked at them as if to say 'what the heck is this'?!!!! :laughing: Priceless facials. Wish I had the camera handy for them.

I forget who posted about using the baby whisperer techniques (Nan or Kaybee??) but have a question.. Noah is getting his immunisations next week, should I try starting him with this routine then? Or leave it for a few days after his needles so that he isn't out of sorts from that?
For anyone who is starting the techniques, be warned that it is tiring lol..but I have the bigger picture in mind so that's what helps me perservere.
Hey hun. I think it was kaybee as I don't have that book, but I'd just say if you choose to start, be aware that he may have a bit of a set back.....some babies don't react at all to imms you might be lucky......but keep going with it. Consistency is the key to any good routine/behaviour management style. Listen to the teacher coming out in me!!! LOL! The bigger picture is always helpful btw.

I hate it when DH gets frustrated with Luca after only being home for an hour! It's like his sleep is more important than mine and he wants me to do everything!

One of the girls from my antenatal class has hired a night nurse to sleep over for a week and do all the feeds so her and her DH can sleep and go out! At around $270 a night! Oh to be rich...
Geez.....half her luck!! Try not to worry about your DH too much. I found that one of the things that is hard to get used to is how much the guys dont get how hard our day actually is. :rolleyes: I think the truth is that we don't know how hard their days are either and it isn't a competition. We just have to accept that we both have hard days for different reasons. Don't forget that we're with the kids for longer so our tolerance for them is often so much longer than the guys. It is frustrating though. Whoever said women are the weaker sex was so obviously male!

AB - That is nice that you spent time with Aliyah. I took Eden to the shops today for the same reason. I think she enjoys doing things with me without Caleb......also for attention reasons. I have actually been missing our time together, too. :( I feel like we used to do so much together and I can't do it right now. Its awful. I guess it will get better though, as Caleb gets more independent. I just don't want her to be in Kindy by then!

We put Luca to bed at 7pm but he only sleeps for an hour maybe an hour and a half then he's wide awake till 10pm when we feed him again, settle him and then he starts his long stretch. Any ideas why??
Sorry Moops. Forgot to answer this. Luca just needs some more awake time thats all. Very young babies quite often won't go for their long stretch/stretches (if your lucky!!) until after the late night feed. They usually need some more wake time after the evening feed. As he sleeps longer & longer and drops his middle of the night feed, the late night feed will be the next one to go. You get rid of this one by gradually bringing it forward until he can sleep from his evening feed (7ish) through until morning.

Today was one of those days where I just wanted to run away from everything, might have just been everything with my grandfather and Rylan being a turd.
Lots of :hugs: for you tally. Hope you are feeling better about things now.

Although we may all have different opinions on certain parenting methods/choices i do believe that we will still support each other and none of us November mummy's would judge you negatively or provide any backlash..
We are a caring supportive bunch for sure..
Here, here!! Well said. Let us know how the nappies go won't you. I've been thinking about it, but I haven't made it past the thinking stage yet. :o

mel - I'm not sure if I said, but my prayers are with you.

mumofL & L - Feel free to vent away!! We all have moments like that.

Eden has been sick the last couple of days. Her temp was 39 this morning. Sheesh! So, with Shane getting ANOTHER golf injury (omg its getting old) I'm up for 2 kids atm. Not good.

Night, night girlies. Sorry for the longest post in the world!

perrywinkle

18-01-2008, 20:44

Hi Everyone,

Well we have been plodding along here nicely. Have got a nice rountine during the day. Alice will have 3 sleeps AM, Lunch and PM and most of the time she took forever to go down but lately she has decided to be nice to her mummy! We went out to the shops yesterday for three hrs and she was great. I spent way too much money. Target is having a huge sale on already marked down outfits. Like 60% of the marked down price. I bought so many little girls outfits and I had a ball!!:yes: And I bought some stuff for DS but I'm set for the next couple of years with Alice LOL!! Would recommend everyone to go to target this week!! :thumbsup:

Now that I know that I'm in Uni this year I have been giving her a bottle of formula every second day or so just to get use to the bottle. I have tried expressing but nothing comes out so formula it is. She's taking the bottle too but only from DH but that's a start!! I have to re-do my first aid coarse so at least I know she will have a bottle if need be. But her poos have been interesting. She blew out of her nappy today all over DH LOL!!!

RB - That was a tough night hope evrything will get back to normal tonight!!

AB - I so have to vacuum the house too. I normally vacuum with DH here but might try what you did. They have to get use to it sometime don't they.

My DH hasn't been too bad. Maybe it's because he's getting a week off next week. He's working away up at the mines so it's two kids all to myself!!

Anyway hope you all have a nice night and catch up on the weekend!! :wave::wave::wave:

tally

19-01-2008, 19:57

Wow bit quiet here this weekend. Havent been posting much but am feeling better today. My Grandfather is now out of intensive care and in critical care.... and holding his own.. Thank you to those who wished us well... Hugs to the others whose grandies arent well...:hugs:

Rylans doing well, sleep during the day is still non existant but I dont this school holidays are helping that much.

Glad everyones needles went ok.. only another 2mths before we have to do it again :(

Off again.. Have a great rest of the weekend... My mums turning 60.. how scary is that...... So a big Happy Birthday to her :flowerz: happybirthday:flowerz:

shymmer

20-01-2008, 13:16

tally

20-01-2008, 14:43

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if anyone's bubs developed some mucus in thier throat from the injestions? Xav sounds very congested in her throat now and keeps swallowing and her saliva is very stringy. I'm thinking the oral meds they gave her have left some sort of residue in her throat, or she's since developed a cold or something? It's not in her nose though.

Any ideas?

Rylans got something like this.. more mucousy tho... We actually had a terrifying experience last night where he was sort of choking and he couldnt breathe.. once I got him under control he started spewing all this gunk out.. I was so bloody scared it wasnt funny.. I really felt out of control. :(

I hope its not from the rotavirus immunisation because I didnt want him to have it and my gp guilted me into it..:hair: I dont believe they need to be vaccinated against it as in most cases if they get it, its manageable with proper care...

So it would be interesting to hear whats happened with other bubbas.

perrywinkle

20-01-2008, 16:50

We've been OK here. The only time she's vomitted was when she was in the car. She was crying so much she spewed.

We've had a pretty funny day!! She would only have 10mins this morning and we had to go out to a friends house at lunch time and she was grizzly there too. She slept 1/2 hr in my arms and she's back down now for a little cat nap. But she only woke once last night went down at 8pm woke at 3am and slept till 8am so was a good night.

shymmer

20-01-2008, 16:58

Tally I'm thinking it is from the rotavirus immunisation. Too coincidental that she gets mucousy right after having it imo. Thankfully Xav hasn't choked or stopped breathing but it does sound very rattley in her throat and makes her cough. My mum said Xav also brought a bit of it up.
Makes me mad too, that they give them so many immunisations at once. Xav has been a bit more unsettled last two days since having them. She had more diarreah last night. I can only imagine how awful they made her feel.

I'm not looking forward to the next lot.

tally

20-01-2008, 19:02

I cant remember, is the rotavirus a once off or do they get more... I wont be finishing the course if it is.. I really thought he was gonna die last night.. I'm going to look into it further, but not really sure where to go with it considerig my gp was the one who convinced me to give it to him.

Even Zades allergic reactions where nothing on what went on last night, I never want to have to try and get my baby breathing again ever... :no:

Hes still not the best today and am pretty scared about what the nights going to bring, but if it happens again we'll be straight up the hospital and we wont be leaving without answers.

westerner

20-01-2008, 20:41

Sorry to hear of those issues shana and tally..

Kaitlyn didn't have any side effects what so ever from her needles or the oral vaccine.. And no mucous or gagging at all.. :no:

But it sounds awful and i would get it checked out... :hugs:
But i wouldn't necessarily blame the vaccine.. Maybe there is a link or maybe it was just a coincidence and they have a bit of a phlegmy throat etc..

Either way i hope they are much better soon.. How scary.. :hugs:

Kizmet

20-01-2008, 20:57

hi everyone

sorry i havent been posting much. Just coming to let you all know we got a call today to say my Grandma is on her very last legs. They said to prepare ourselves, come in and say goodbye she wont last more than a few days but more than likely will go tonight. So we have been at the hospital all day(kids with MIL) and it is just heartwrenching. I am on edge waiting for her to die. Every noise i jump at thinking it is that phone call telling me she is gone.

I told her today that it is ok for her to go, she doesnt need to be strong. I will take care of nana and everyone that it is ok to just close her eyes and rest. She thanked me. It is just so odd knowing that it is coming soon. Reality has sunk in but hasnt at the same time.

Anyway sorry for my depressing post but thought I should let my november sisters know what is happening :hugs:

thank you all for your support

Nan

20-01-2008, 21:28

Aaawwwww, :hugs: Kiz. That's lovely what you said to your Grandma. Its nice that you've had this time with her.

I so have to vacuum the house too. I normally vacuum with DH here but might try what you did. They have to get use to it sometime don't they.
Someone told me that lots of babies actually LIKE the vacuum sound because it sounds a bit like the swooshing of the fluids through the umbilical cord.

Hes still not the best today and am pretty scared about what the nights going to bring, but if it happens again we'll be straight up the hospital and we wont be leaving without answers.
Wow....that would have been so scary. I don't blame you for feeling this way at all. I hope tonight is heaps better. :fingerscrossed:

Just a quick one from me. Will try to get on tomorrow for some news. Don't like my chances as Shane goes back to work tomorrow. :crying:

Moops

20-01-2008, 21:34

Oh Kate :hugs: I know how u feel I went through this with my Mum it is heartwrenching, my thoughts and prayers are with u and ur family.

Tally - Omg that is my worst nightmare what did you have to do to get him breathing? There is a place near me that teaches baby resucitation I think i'll do it, I think I would just panic if something happened to him. I am really worrying about these needles! What are they for anyway?

On a good note Luca slept 7 hours on Sat night and 6 hrs last night so that is pretty good.

Hope everyone is well, I'll be back later

mother2

20-01-2008, 21:53

just found this thread, it's great.
My little 7kg chubby is doing well, sleeping straight through the night now. Have to keep him in the playpen when he's up though,( big sis is just a little to rough with him.) At his health chech, it showed he was 61.5 c.m in lenght, think he'll be a big boy like his daddy. Loves his tucker, could only bf for couple weeks, by then I had nothing left.

mother2-26yo
dh- 27yo
dd- 16mnths
ds- 2mnths

4tiggers

21-01-2008, 04:51

Kizmet, :hugs:.

Tally, my little one had no reactions to the needles. Hopefully Rylan improves quickly and you get some answers.

Well my little-big baby has weighed in at 6.5 kg at 11 weeks. He is now in size 0 clothes, somthing I was not expecting until he was at least 6 months old. Health nurse said that he is gaining 200 gr a week. I think my milk must be cookies and cream flavoured with chocolate on the side. No wonder I am starving all the time.:laughing:

shymmer

21-01-2008, 12:46

Hi all,

Kiz - :hugs: for you.

Well, Xav had a terrible time with wind/dinarreah last night. Kept her up and screaming for hours until she finally did a couple of big poo's and passed some wind at about midnight. I could hear the wind and gurgling in her tummy/bowels. I was crying with her when she would jerk in pain and then let out a screach. My poor baby. I can't say if it's still from the oral vaccine or something else. I assume the diarreah is from that as it is a side effect. But the wind? Could be something I ate - can't think what though.

I've been letting her sleep in our bed the last few nights, in between us. She seems to sleep on her back much longer there. So we went to bed at 1am and she stirred at 4.30am - gave her a dreamfeed, then another dreamfeed at 9am and she woke at 10.30am! So about 9 hrs in bed!! After her pain last night I'm not surprised she was tired though. She also slept 5hrs straight the other night in our bed. Here's hoping this is the start of longer sleep blocks!

AliyahBlake

21-01-2008, 15:25

Hi all!
Just a quick one as I've been a bit busy today.

Blake and Aliyah are doing fine, so not much to report there. Will take Blake for his needles sometime this week.

:hugs: to you, Kiz...I hope your nan's suffering will be over soon.

Tally and Shana - that sounds a bit frightening with the mucousy stuff in your bubs' throats. Are you sure it's from the vaccines or is it possible it could be viral? What you are describing doesn't sound like a standard side effect of any of the vaccines (even the rotavirus one) - I had a quick look at the Australian Immunisation site (here's the link if anyone's interested in checking on side effects of the vaccines - http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/qa )

Anyway, I might be back later but otherwise will catch up tomorrow! :)

perrywinkle

21-01-2008, 15:56

Kiz :hugs: to you and your family. It's such a hard time. I went through a similar situation with my nana who passed away 3 yrs ago from a bad stroke. :hugs:

We've had a very plesant day today. Alice has been great. Gone to sleep by herself for her usual three sleeps and has been very happy when she's awake.

DH leaves tomorrow for the mines for a week so it's me and the kids for a week. Mum will come over and help me some nights. It's the nights I'm going to have trouble with putting 2 kids to bed and they roughly go to bed the same time. Oh well I'll work it out!!!!

Hope Xav has a better night tonight for you!!!

tally

21-01-2008, 16:59

I did heaps of research on this vaccine last night and you had to go to the actual consumer leaflet to obtain accurate information. Pretty poor effort on the governments behalf..

Rylan is showing classic allergic reaction to it. I also read that it can happen up to 46days after the initial adiministration.

http://www.gsk.com.au/resources.ashx/vaccineproductschilddatadownloads/110/File/1986BA4EE03CCA10A577EC27AECE11AA/CMI_Rotarix.pdf

:no::rolleyes:

Hes still not well and has only had 1 decent breastfeed in the last 24hrs...

AliyahBlake

21-01-2008, 19:37

Viva

21-01-2008, 20:02

perrywinkle

21-01-2008, 20:20

Hi guys just popping in from the due in December threads (but I had Cy 28th Nov) to ask about smiling,
Cy is 8 weeks old on Wednesday and he still isn't really smiling - just one every few days for the past couple of weeks - its not very convincing and I am starting to stress. Is this normal to go one smile every few days? (he was born at 37.4 weeks)

Hello and Welcome!!

I don't think you have anything to worry about. Some babies smile lots and some babies don't really smile at all. He has smiled so that's great he can use those muscles in his face to do it but he may not smile all the time. Once he gets a bit older what's the bet he can't stop smile.

But hey if your really stressed go and see your doctor.

tally

21-01-2008, 20:50

Hmmm, it's strange the immunisation site doesn't have that actual info about the vaccine - you'd think they'd provide links to that sort of specific info. In saying that, the rotavirus vaccine is only a recent addition in the last 12 months to the schedule and they're probably still gathering data on side effects (it's exactly like the cervical cancer vaccine - they are still finding new side effects to it as well). The unfortunate thing is that some kids are more sensitive to certain vaccines than others, and it's really hard to establish sometimes which vaccine is the culprit when they're given all at the one time. I think though if it's something like breathing problems that Rylan is having, it should be checked out asap, and then chat to your doc about whether it is worth him having the next dose of vaccine. Good luck, Tally and I hope the little fella will be ok! Same with Xav, Shana.

I was a bit suprised by what I found or didnt find. If it was the vax that did it, I do realise its one of those things and it wont stop me from vaxxing him in the future, well just the Rotavirus one as I dont actually think its needed, with proper care you can generally get a little one thro it, and the vaccine wont actually stop them getting it, just lessen the affects so for me the vax isnt necessary. The others most definately, I would hate to see some of those health issues back in our country.

Viva, hello :doh: My little man was born at 37.6wks and hes taken slightly longer to burst out in the huge grins etc. Plus all bubs are different and he may just not be a big smiler... so if going by my little man Cy shouldnt be too far behind.

sandralee

21-01-2008, 21:54

Have read posts but not much time so can't do any personals - Noah had his needles today & I felt physically ill watching his reaction! It was terrible holding him still:no:! Hard to carry him around without it hurting his legs, & he is so active with is legs all the time that even kicking on the change table made him scream.. same whenever he so much as stretched, poor little thing. Have kept up with the panadol so guess there is not much more I can do except give lots of cuddles. I let him sleep on my chest for 2 hours tonight, and it was wonderful to cuddle him while was so still for a change. His arms and legs are always moving and on the go, so I treasure the moments when he is quiet and cuddly LOL - even if it is a panadol induced slumber!
In regards to the bubs who sounded mucousy - I have noticed that Noah sounds and acts like that sometimes after I have given him medicine with a dropper, whether it be wind drops or panadol. Sounds like they are slightly drowning (best way I can describe it sorry) and very rattley. Do you think it could be just from any kind of liquid administered by dropper (cos they can't really swallow too well yet without having a choke sometimes), rather than side effects from the vaccine. Just a thought. :confused:
Noah weighs 5.6kg so has put on almost 400g in the last 12 days. I forget how much she said he has grown, but it is witten down in his book- cos all I was thinking about was his needles, and how much I didn't want to be there!
Lots of love and angel vibes to everybody's nannas n grandmas :valentine:
Sweet dreams peeps, and I will write more tomorrow if Noah isn't grizzly and wanting cuddles all day. His legs will probably hurt more tomorrow & be really stiff.. hmmm. hopefully not though!!!! Did anyone find their babies were worse the following day? (pain at the injection site)
Love Sands xox xox xox xox xox xox xox xox

AliyahBlake

22-01-2008, 09:30

In regards to the bubs who sounded mucousy - I have noticed that Noah sounds and acts like that sometimes after I have given him medicine with a dropper, whether it be wind drops or panadol. Sounds like they are slightly drowning (best way I can describe it sorry) and very rattley. Do you think it could be just from any kind of liquid administered by dropper (cos they can't really swallow too well yet without having a choke sometimes), rather than side effects from the vaccine. Just a thought. :confused:

Sweet dreams peeps, and I will write more tomorrow if Noah isn't grizzly and wanting cuddles all day. His legs will probably hurt more tomorrow & be really stiff.. hmmm. hopefully not though!!!! Did anyone find their babies were worse the following day? (pain at the injection site)

That's a point I definitely didn't think of, Sandra, but it's feasable and probably more likely. To make sure Blake swallows medicine properly, I find that stroking him on the cheek or the jawline helps to trigger the swallowing reflex so he's less likely to hold it in his mouth or spit it out (a trick I learned when working with littlies in the hospital).

I found when Aliyah had her needles as a baby she was always much more grizzly and sore on the second and third days afterwards. She's due for her 4 year old needles in July, so I'm definitely not looking forward to that!

kaybee

22-01-2008, 10:24

AB - if only I had come on here before trying to give Ava Baby Panadol! She just spat it right out. She had her needles this morning, screamed the place down for a few minutes. They made me wait in the waiting room for 10 min, in case she had a reaction, felt so bad disturbing everyone with my crying baby, but she calmed down and fell asleep after a few minutes. They gave me a free bottle of Baby Panadol ( is that normal?) which was good as I was going to buy some after the needles. Got home (she slept all the way) and feed her. Waited 30 minutes, then tried to give the Panadol. I'll try again b4 next feed, as she will be hungry and more likely to swallow. She had no problems swallowing down the rotovirus stuff and it smelt awful!

I hope she's not worse tomorrow, as I have a friend and her little girl coming over for a cuppa & chat.

:hugs::hugs: for anyone's bubba's who aren't going well after their needles.

MrsScatterbrain

22-01-2008, 11:09

Will try to get on tomorrow for some news. Don't like my chances as Shane goes back to work tomorrow. :crying:

Nan - I am at the beginning of my second week 'home alone'!! I know how you feel! I've been really lucky as DH had paid paternity leave. Things have been going really well - Ben has been a champ.

I just had a look on the 'net, and its really hard to find stuff written from an unbiased view on the Rotavirus vaccine ... it sounds like they are just trying to reduce demand on the Emergency dept in the hospitals ... The scary thing is that it sounds like the vaccine recipient is actually contagious for a while - so Thomas could in theory give it to Ben - therefore creating a case of the illness instead of preventing it! :thumbsdown:I was going to take Thomas for his vax tomorrow, but I need more time to consider the pros and cons.

Sooooo tired today! Thomas has been feeding twice a night again, and I'm feeling it! :sleeping: I didn't know how good I had it!

AliyahBlake

22-01-2008, 13:11

I just had a look on the 'net, and its really hard to find stuff written from an unbiased view on the Rotavirus vaccine ... it sounds like they are just trying to reduce demand on the Emergency dept in the hospitals ... The scary thing is that it sounds like the vaccine recipient is actually contagious for a while - so Thomas could in theory give it to Ben - therefore creating a case of the illness instead of preventing it! :thumbsdown:I was going to take Thomas for his vax tomorrow, but I need more time to consider the pros and cons.

You may have been reading this info from Sydney Uni? - http://www.ncirs.usyd.edu.au/facts/rotavirus_vaccine_for_children_june_2007.pdf

I can understand them trying to reduce the amount of children attending ED with severe gastro - there was an extreme epidemic in Australia for the most part of last year flooding the EDs, so I don't see it as a bad thing if this vaccine reduces that!

From what the info says here, it is a live virus vaccine, so yes potentially it can be passed on, but they say the risk is minimal and mainly if there is close contact with someone who is immunosuppressed (and only if this person comes into contact with the faeces of the infant who has just had the vaccine).

The "to give or not to give" debate about vaccines is something that has been around for ages, and there are valid points for and against. My opinion is that the benefits far outweigh the risks of these vaccines, and if it prevents me having to go to ED with a severely sick baby or child, and risk passing diseases on to other people, then I'm all for it. The other thing that needs to be considered, is that many playgroups, day care centres and schools have a policy that they may not accept a child for enrolment if they are not fully vaccinated. Some people think this is discriminatory and unfair, but I can understand the motives behind it, as it does help prevent outbreaks of disease in unvaccinated children (and also vaccinated ones - as the vaccines don't prevent a disease 100%).

In the end, it's entirely up to the individual whether or not they vaccinate their child, but it's good to do as much research on the subject before you decide not to all together :thumbsup:

OK, hopping off my soapbox now!! :ecomcity: :D

tally

22-01-2008, 14:23

I'm all for vaxxing, I just cant understand the Rotavirus one to a certain extent... My eldest had Rotavirus when he was baby, I stayed home with him and nursed him through it, I did not go out until he was totally over it, under my doctors instruction.. imo we live in an era where its too easy to run to the hospital.. sorry if that offends but its the way I see it. :cool:

I dont see it as a bad thing if the vaccine reduces the demand on the ED.. but I think if the indivudual is fully informed about Rotavirus and understands how to manage it if they do come across it, then the shouldnt be ostracised for choosing not to have it. I think I said b4, the vaccine wont stop you from getting it, it just lessens the severity.. so proper management is still essential. Its not as if you can manage Polio or take away the risk of measles, rubella etc iykwim.. they are def vaccines that need to be administered

That was also something that made me cross is that I have issues with my immune system, I have not once been advised that I could be comprised... especially considering I change his butt how many times in a day :D

I hope I'm not coming across anti immunisation because I am the total opposite... its just I think Rotavirus should be a choice if you fully understand the consequences.

Rylan wont be having the next dose, and I would hope that he is not ostracised because of his reaction to the drug.

I also apologise, I havent meant to scare anyone with what happened to Rylan as it probably isnt the norm.. and please dont let it stop your child having the vaccination, in the end even tho I didnt totally agree with it I still went ahead and got it done..

:D

shymmer

22-01-2008, 16:11

I'm not sure if Xav is still having reactions to the immunisations. She has had so many grizzly evenings it's all blurring into 'normal' now. Her days are so good but come 10pm - the show is on. She is having a lot of awake time after about 4pm (2 x 1/2hr cat naps) so you'd think she'd be had it by 10pm, but she will fall asleep and wake up as soon as I put her down, again and again, crying inbetween each b/c she is so tired. It took about 3.5hrs last night before she finally conked out and I could put her down at 2am. It's so hard to keep your cool when you are on your feet rocking/patting/feeding to get them to calm down for so long. My feet have pins and needles every morning!

Any ideas for stopping this pattern? It seems even if I hold her for 1/2hr or longer when she falls asleep -she still will wake up!

Tally- I'm sorry Rylan had such a severe reaction. I wouldn't give the next dose either. Thankfully Xav hasn't been that bad, but she did bring up all her milk for a few feeds yesterday and had more diarreah (more greenish than usual stools).

MrsScatterbrain

22-01-2008, 16:27

They are some really good points AliyahBlake and Tally. I've decided to take Thomas for his vax tomorrow after all, and give him the Rotavirus Vaccine, but I'm going to have a good chat to his doctor beforehand - he's very experienced in paediatrics, so I trust what he'll have to say. I think I might ditch the MCN on Thomas for a week, so there is no cross-infection.

Shana - have you tried a bath/massage routine at night before putting Xav down? This might chill her out a bit?

shymmer

22-01-2008, 16:44

Thanks MrsScatterbrain, I am trying to take her in the shower every evening as a wind down - she loves it. So did this last ngiht at about 10.30pm, but that's when the fun started. So maybe my timing is off and I should do that earlier. She was very tired at that point, so maybe I waited too long? I thought she would just drop off afterward. Silly me.

My mum/sisters, keep telling me to feed her to put her to sleep but it simply doesn't always work. She'll feed and then be wide awake and frustrated/crying or only drop off momentarily. Plus she really needs to burp after feeding - even dreamfeeds as she will only stir or wake shortly afterward with wind if I don't burp her. Thnkfully she is so groggy I've gotten away with burping her without waking her last two nights.

How soon before 'bedtime' do you ladies bath/massage bub? Do you feed them after or is bath the last thing you do right before putting them down?

MrsScatterbrain

22-01-2008, 16:53

Shana - I'd probably aim to have her in bed for the night (fingers crossed!!!) by 8pm, so perhaps start her night routine at around 6.30pm/7pm (if that fits in with your dinner, etc!) She might be overtired by 10pm, perhaps that's why she is struggling to settle. All babies are different, though - 2 of my friends bubs still go to bed at 9pm!!

Have you had a look at a baby routine at all? We roughly follow one by the Baby Whisperer Sheyne Rowley, and Pinky McKay (spelling check here!) is also good. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links, but if you Google their names, you should find their sites.

sniper wolf

22-01-2008, 17:14

How soon before 'bedtime' do you ladies bath/massage bub? Do you feed them after or is bath the last thing you do right before putting them down?

i hear ya!

often she's almost asleep, then we bath her at half 8 (approx), then [sometimes] she's magically wide awake, give her a feed and then [sometimes] she goes down well a half hour later, [other times] it is an hour before she goes to sleep.

so yeah routine of bath - feed- sleep - usually around an hour that one. still, i think it works to give them further calm and better night sleep.:flowerz:

AliyahBlake

22-01-2008, 19:48

we live in an era where its too easy to run to the hospital..

I completely agree there, Tally - that's one of the reasons why the poor emergency depts are in such a mess! That's why I'm happy with my job working as a telephone triage nurse as hopefully that helps take the pressure off and parents can ring us and be advised of how to look after non-urgent symptoms at home. The unfortunate thing is that not all parents are like you and clued in on their child's illness. Many leave it too late and end up in ED as their child is severely dehydrated due to gastro. In young babies it can happen so quickly...in a matter of hours. That's where I think the vaccine for Rotavirus has its benefit, as it helps to prevent it getting to the severe stage.

If Blake had a severe reaction to any of his needles there's no way I'd continue with the programme, so I understand where you're coming from in that regard. I don't think there would be a reason for Rylan to be ostracised if he can't be vaccinated for Rotavirus due to a severe reaction...at least you tried to have him vaccinated in the first place! :thumbsup:

Ooh, and I just realised how many times I've said "severe" in this post......I really should think about getting a thesaurus! LOL!!!

perrywinkle

22-01-2008, 20:51

Any ideas for stopping this pattern? It seems even if I hold her for 1/2hr or longer when she falls asleep -she still will wake up!

Ok I'll summarize our afternoon/night routine.

We basically have 3 sleeps during the day now. In between those sleeps she'll be awake for approx 2hrs and I'll put her down again pretty much on the 2hr mark. With her last afternoon sleep I wont let her sleep past 5.30pm. That means her bedtime will be 7.30pm roughly!!! We tend to eat early here so we'll eat dinner some where between 5.30-6pm. So we'll have tea with her watching us LOL and then feed her both sides straight away after tea. Then it's play time for a while. I tend to bath her about 1/2hr before bedtime because once she's had her bath she's quite feral after that. She now know's that after bath it's bed time and she's well and truely ready for it. So I feed her one side again on the couch watching TV and the other side in her dark room with the music on (no music is played during the day to make sure she knows night and day). Sometimes she'll wake up after 1/2 hr and I'll feed her agin to top her up and usually she'll go straight back to sleep but sometimes not. If not I just have to rock her in my arms until she's nearly asleep and then she's in her cot.

Anyway I hope this might help not sure if it will but just experement with different things. It's frustrating I know but it will get better!!! :hugs:

sandralee

22-01-2008, 21:03

I would love to bath Noah at night but he seems to want to shut his eyes when the sun goes down LOL, & not truly wake up til morning. He feeds with his eyes closed and I can't really remember rocking him off to sleep. His downside is making groaning noises by around 4am (still with eyes closed), that seem to go on forever.. and his bottom seems to come alive with air bubbles! He still cries when it's feed time though. So basically I find it hard to have a night time routine at the moment.
The only thing I have time to do with him, is to say goodnight to ANdy and Steve (and they give him a kiss).. then I say goddnight to a few things on the way to his cot. e.g. Goodnight door, goodnight light, goodnight teddy etc.
He didn't seem to have as hard a time today (after immunisations yest), only felt a bit hot. Slight lump at inection site too, but I think that's normal??? At least I could nurse him without a crying session!
His tummy sounded really windy before bed so I think he is in for 'gale force winds & heavy turbulence tonight!'
Also got a capsule fitted at the ambos today - we have a SafeNSound Meridian, but Noah's legs looked uncomfy at this stage. They are too short to hang over the edge, and they look squished if they don't hang. Even if we only use it for a month or so for this transition phase, it will be worth the $65.
Bedtime for me.. sweet dreams jellbeans xxxxx

Nan

22-01-2008, 21:28

Hi girls.....just a quick one from me. Last week my mum suggested giving Caleb Papaya Enzymes for wind and I just wanted to tell you guys because they have been a God send!! Mum apparently used to give them to me when I was a baby as I was really colicky. You can get them at the Chemist. I get the Nature's Own brand ones. I just crush a tablet finely....mortar and pestle style and add some cooled boiled water (a couple of teaspoons) and syringe (3ml) it into Caleb's mouth while he is BF, so the flavour doesn't get noticed. I tell you....its great stuff and completely natural. I noticed that it helped within 24 hours and he has not had wind that bad since. I give him some every day.
I'm not a big fan of drugs. I always go the natural option if I can and because its just enzymes, they aren't going to harm him. Its just a bit extra of what he already has in his system to help him digest his food better. Babies get wind when their food is not digested properly.
Just wanted to let you girls with windy babies know. I give it to Caleb mid morning and mid afternoon when he is really bad and once a day when he is fine. Hope this is helpful.

Going well so far with Shane at work. Bit more hectic, but not too bad......but it has only been 2 days!!

Moops

23-01-2008, 06:24

Shana - We used to have this problem with Luca as well, because we were always holding him, rocking him to sleep and either co-sleeping or holding him while he slept. When you rock her to sleep in your arms, whether she is fast asleep or not, as soon as you put her down she is going to notice the pressure has gone from her chest and the temperature change so she will wake up. What the sleep consultant suggested to us to do and it seems to have helped is to not rock them to sleep, you should just be rocking and holding them to stop them crying/screaming and then putting them down again. Once down try putting your hand on her chest to replicate being held and softly breathe on her and stroke her face (easier if she is in a moses basket!) when she is asleep slowly remove your hand. I know it is tempting to hold them till their asleep (or the whole time like your Sister!) but it really is better if they learn to self settle, because she will learn to put herself to sleep in the middle of the night if she wakes up.

I'm a bit concerned, Luca hasn't pooped in two days! Are they supposed to everyday? He has been really grumpy and in pain today, is there anything I can give him??

Rainbowbrite

23-01-2008, 07:08

Moops is Luca breastfed? I cant remember :o If he is its totally normal & not necessary to go everyday. Just be prepared for a BIG one when it happens. We're at day 4 without pooing & I am really not looking forward to it :no: MJ used to go every 10 days & we made sure we'd be home when it was coming :laughing:

Anakin is going for his needles today :( Not looking forward to it at all, but it has to be done. Much rather this than him getting one of the illnesses.

Hope your all well :hugs: Have been reading but just dont have much time to post anymore.

MrsScatterbrain

23-01-2008, 08:43

I know it is tempting to hold them till their asleep (or the whole time like your Sister!) but it really is better if they learn to self settle, because she will learn to put herself to sleep in the middle of the night if she wakes up.

I agree Moops, this is so important - we could have avoided so many problems with DS1 if we'd done this. Although sometimes you don't have an option - DS1 would scream blue murder, and rocking was the only way he'd settle. We got there in the end! :cool:

Rainbowbrite - we're going for our vaxes today as well. :fingerscrossed: for our little men!

Shana - I had another thought this morning - Thomas responds really well to white noise when he's unsettled. You can either put the radio on between stations, or you can actually buy a white noise machine at the Shaver Shop. We bought that 'Sounds for Silence' CD, and although Thomas doesn't like all the other tracks, track 6 is just white noise and I play it on loop!

:laughing: I just had a funny memory of trying the radio thing with DS1 - we could hear this really loud Arabic music, and could not work out where it was coming from!
It turned out the radio in Ds's room had somehow gone from in between stations to picking up an Arabic station somewhere along the way!! He happily slept through it though!!! There's a thought ...

4tiggers

23-01-2008, 09:11

shana, I will bath or shower bubs any time between 4pm and 6 at the latest. He will be massaged and then fed and burped and fed and sometimes cat nap, 10mins or so in my arms, he will feed for about 4 to 6 times before finally settling at 8 or 9pm. He then sleeps about 8 hours before waking for another quick feed. His evening is a little like yours, just earlier so I am awake and not so tired and just rock and feed while watching tv. When he is asleep I am asleep about 30mins later. I hope you get some more sleep, it is hard on your patience otherwise. You sound like you are coping very well considering.

tally

23-01-2008, 10:07

I cant bath Rylan before bedtime as he loves his baths so much and chucks the ****s when I get him out.. so it has the opposite affect to what I'm after lol..

I just go with the flow with Rylan and go with what seems to suit him the best, he is pretty much sleeping right through now so its working for us. Some bubbas thrive on strict routine others don't and its a matter of finding out where on the scale your bubba is...

Back on the immunisations - yep this is all playing big time on my mind lol.. I found this..
Initially, rotavirus immunisation will not be linked to eligibility for Maternity Immunisation Allowance and Child Care Benefit. Linkage may be reviewed after the program is established which I gather means that a child can't be excluded from not having it, and wouldnt be until its linked.. as they recommend it not be given over 6mths it wont be an issue for us - makes me feel a bit better even tho I'm sure I'd get an excemption given whats happened..

All the best for the immunisations today Mrsscatterbrain.. will be thinking of you both..

xx

AliyahBlake

23-01-2008, 14:12

I cant bath Rylan before bedtime as he loves his baths so much and chucks the ****s when I get him out.. so it has the opposite affect to what I'm after lol..

Yeah, Blake's the same..so relaxed in the bath then screams blue murder when I get him out! I still bath him before bed anyway, as the screaming seems to tire him out!

Blake's evening routine is : feed one boob at around 5:30-6pm out in the loungeroom (regardless of when he last fed), then bath and PJs, then feed him the other boob in his room with the lights dimmed, then wrap and bed. Sometimes he goes to sleep straight away, and other times he cries a bit for 30 mins. If he cries we just do the controlled crying stuff till he eventually settles himself to sleep (he usually cries and is cranky at bedtime if he hasn't had enough sleep during the day). He stays asleep then til about 12:30-1am. I start his bedtime routine at 5:30-6 as if I try to start it any later, he gets overtired and it's a real battle to get him to sleep, and then he wakes frequently through the night.

shymmer

23-01-2008, 16:01

Thanks for all your suggestions ladies.

Moops - thats exactly what I do during the day - calm her only, then put her down on her tummy to go to sleep by herself. It works well most times but it's putting her on her back at night that she hates. To get some rest I ended up just giving her boob for ages after 10pm last night and again when we went to bed (she still wasn't sound asleep at 2am). I know I'm just creating another problem by giving bb too much .. . but I can't handle too many nights of 3+ hrs of screaming.

I don't see Xav going to bed at 7pm. She sleeps most of the day and is awake from 6pm onwards. I probably have to keep her awake more in the morning? I just thought - if they want to sleep, let them.

To settle Xav what works best is holding her upright on my shoulder and doing squatts or walking/rocking back and forwards (not side to side) and saying SHhhhh (white noise) in her ear. As you can imagine my legs are killing me.

When do babies roll over? I won't have to worry about putting her on her back then :D

It sounds like you all have it so together now. Most of your babies are having 8hrs straight sleep. You've got routines in place. I'm not sure why I seem unable to do this. Or atleast - the routine we do have isn't a very good one!

perrywinkle

23-01-2008, 16:12

I don't see Xav going to bed at 7pm. She sleeps most of the day and is awake from 6pm onwards. I probably have to keep her awake more in the morning? I just thought - if they want to sleep, let them.

Have you tried keeping her up more during the day? Ali tends to have 4-5hrs during the day. Maybe she's getting too much during the day so that's why she's wide awake at night.

sandralee

23-01-2008, 16:37

Shana - I am FAR from having it together LOL!!!! Until I start the baby whisperer routine properly I have no set patterns really. And that's okay with me too in some ways. Maybe we have babies who have other plans for us lol. I reckon you do what ever feels right, and if an aspect becomes a problem for you then you change something. Since friday my routine has been @ss about, hehe, feed-play-feed-sleep.. will possibly be a problem down the track, if I don't change something soon, but then again it may not. So many 'what ifs' lol. I feel the same as you though - so many babies are doing things like clockwork with their sleeping. Noah seems to chop and change. FOr the last week I put him to bed around 7-7.30 (not planned, it just seems to happen at that time) then give him a dream feed between 9.30 - 10.30, the he wakes anywhere from 12.30-1.30. But that is likely to change as well. I could be up every hour after that, depending on his wind situation. Sometimes 2 hours. Other times I may have a 3hr reprieve between feeds. You aren't alone sister! xx:hugs:

kaybee

23-01-2008, 16:55

Well Ava hasn't seemed to have too much reaction to her needles. She's bit a little more sooky yesterday and today and that's about it.

We don't have any routine at all, Ava has been sleeping through the night since Week 2! It doesn't seem to matter what happens during the day, except that if she's been awake alot during the day, she is difficult to wake for her last feed between 10-11pm. She's very sleepy from around 7pm onwards.

Last night for the first time since we first came home from hopsy, she woke crying at 2am. Nothing I did would settle her, so I ended up bringing her into bed with us for the first time. Eventually she sort of settled and woke at 5.30am hungry as usual. I'm guessing this was becoz of the needles, and we wont have a repeat tonight, :fingerscrossed: I'm buggered today. I don't know how you girls who have to get up several times do it!

She sems to have been more hungry the last few days, even b4 the needles. Could it be a growth spurt? Wanting to feed more frequently and for longer. Making it difficult to get much done during the day.

I'm trying to finish our thankyou cards, I'm so slack, it's been 2 months. Oh well.

sandralee

23-01-2008, 20:30

Kaybee - Noah has been the same (born a day after your little one) and I think it is a growth spurt as well. In 12 days he grew 4cm & put on just under 400g!!! He was weighed 2 days ago, before his immunisations. Babies amaze me at the rate they grow!
Tonight I started feeding him just before 7pm, & he is normally a quick feeder - but he didn't finish til 8pm. Popped him in his cot - which was no fuss cos he was sound asleep.(have been putting him in our room for the past 2wks - to observe his patterns & try to find out what things woke him through the night SO I COULD START ELIMINATING lol) Next will do a dreamfeed around 10pm, which should hold him off till after 1am. Going by his behaviour over the past week, anyway. I have had a lot of success over the past week (with him sleeping a bit longer) by introducing dreamfeeds... oh well, who knows what tomorrow will bring. All babies remind me of little chameleons, they change so bloody often.
I have a bit to do before getting some sleep so going to call it a night, sweet dreams if you have any at all, Love Sands xox xox xox xox

Nan

23-01-2008, 21:03

Hi gals!
Still not much to report from me, but have been reading everything.
Moops - The enzymes work well for 'no poos' too! 2 days is pretty normal though.

Shana - To stop Caleb from sleeping the day away and being awake all night, I woke him during the day at feeding time. Now he eats his fill during the day and doesn't need as much all night. His long sleep is currently 6 hours. Then he eats and sleeps another 4, then I start his 3 hour day time feeding routine.

Sandra - Its ok for bubs to feed play sleep play. As they get older this happens naturally anyway. The whole idea is so that they don't become dependent on food to go to sleep.

xoxoxoxo

tally

23-01-2008, 22:04

I think Rylans had a big growth spurt too all of a sudden he seems huge and not a teeny baby anymore, the older boys have taken to calling him chubby bubby, its so cute.. :yes: least I know my milks good lol. Not to mention his interaction has come ahead in leaps and bounds the last fortnight - hes just adorable lol.. :laughing:

I have to eat my words, he was being a bum tonight so we had a bath together and he went out like a light straight away..

I'm sitting here extremely tired, aching, my balance is shot and am dropping everything... not sure if its from the flu, excertion or what.. but I feel awful.. I really should be in bed..

Hope everyones bubbas sleep well tonight..

Rainbowbrite

24-01-2008, 08:27

Hi ladies,

well we had Anakins needles yesterday & it scared the poor thing so much. He held his breath for what seemed ages :( Was fine in the end though. We had everything as i've seen how sick a bub can get with Gastro. My nephew had it at a few weeks & had to be hospitalised. Anakin was very unsettled last night & wont leave me today, but other than that he's fine. No temp, no sore legs or anything. Fed him at 9pm last night & he slept till 4.45 :smiliedance: I didn't sleep though, kept waking & checking him (he's in the cot next to me in bed).

Not looking forward to his nappy though, its now been 5 days since he poo'd :eek: I really hope i'm home and the nappy is able to catch it!!!!

On the bath/bed ritual, i'm finding if i cluster feed between 4-6 & bath at 6.30 he is so tired & screams the whole bath which he normally loves :( Might try bathing earlier tonight & see how we go.

Having a nice relaxing day at home today, MJ is watching Wizard of Oz so is nice & quiet atm :)

Hope everyone has a great day!

shymmer

24-01-2008, 09:38

hi

I'm like a broken record. I am so tired.

I made the mistake of giving Xav the boob lying down in bed whenever she woke the other day to get her back to sleep. It worked like a charm . . . exept she wanted it then every single time she sitrred, which became more and more frequent. So last night thought I had better not do that again as it was creating a monster. But it meant of course a restless night of getting up with her whenever she woke if it wasn't feed time.

It just gets me down that I am so grouchy from lack of sleep most of the time I can't enjoy her like I should. She is such a good baby, it's me that is teaching her all the wrong things and while I know in theory all the things to do, I can't seem to focus enough to do them consistantly.

gotta go. maybe back later. have a good day girls.

tally

24-01-2008, 09:47

hi
It just gets me down that I am so grouchy from lack of sleep most of the time I can't enjoy her like I should. She is such a good baby, it's me that is teaching her all the wrong things and while I know in theory all the things to do, I can't seem to focus enough to do them consistantly.

gotta go. maybe back later. have a good day girls.

Hey.. Don't beat yourself up... this baby business isnt easy :hugs: not sure if you have done it or thought of it, but maybe a week in a sleep clinic might do you both wonders, even tho you know in theory what you need to do, the extra support from the clinic staff may be what you need to put it into practice and keep up the consistency., and help you get a decent nights sleep so when you get home you're more refreshed to tackle it all on your own. I know I'm a sucker with my babies and being tough on them.. they are just too damn cute lol..

:hugs::hugs:

Rainbowbrite

24-01-2008, 09:52

Shana :hugs: I'm the same too. I do what works to make life easier at the time :hugs: Thats why most days I sit with Anakin asleep on me cause I know he sleeps longer. MJ slept on me for months too, she slept better that way. Of a day she still wont sleep unless its in my bed & I'm in there with her.

AliyahBlake

24-01-2008, 10:07

Tally's right, Shana, it might be worth giving Tresillian or Karitane a ring to see if you can book in a couple of nights in one of their units. I have a couple of friends who have used their services in the past and they just rave about how great they are.

Blake had another checkup with his paediatrician yesterday. The doc is really happy with his progress, and there are just a couple of little things we need to watch. We have noticed Blake has a lopsided smile sometimes (apparently this can be quite common, but because of his birth complications we need to monitor it) and also a jerky left leg occassionally. The jerkiness happens mostly when he's cranky, but we thought it was weird that both his legs didn't jerk at the same time. His muscle tone and strength are equal in both legs so this is something we need to monitor over time. Otherwise he's a healthy growing bub! He's now 6.45 kg, 61cms long and head circumference 41cms at 10 weeks. He's definitely in a size 00 now!

I wanted to take him for his needles today but our GP is away so we will go tomorrow instead.

Anyway, hope it's a good day for you all - see you all later!

Rainbowbrite

24-01-2008, 11:28

Everyones bubs are growing so much!! Forgot to add, Anakin is now 5.5kg & head is 42cm. Seems so much bigger than MJ was but he's just normal I think :laughing:

Shana do you have MSN messenger? PM me & i'll give you an address for tressilian :) I took MJ to a sleep clinic when she was younger (18ish months), it was just a day stay but it did help alot.

sandralee

24-01-2008, 12:22

Shana - if you are in brisbane, there is a place called the Ellen 'something' sleep clinic - I think it is at the Prince Charles hospital on the northside. I refuse to take Noah unless I am ready to have a breakdown LOL as (for me) it seems cruel to let your baby scream it out for 3 days. I have been going to bed a little earlier to squeeze some more sleep in, and sticking with a dreamfeed, which seems to keep him going until approx 1am. (I think last night it was 2am, I know it had a '2' in it lol - all time is blending for me since having him) Do what feels right for you. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

perrywinkle

24-01-2008, 12:39

he's a healthy growing bub! He's now 6.45 kg, 61cms long and head circumference 41cms at 10 weeks. He's definitely in a size 00 now!

WOW that's one big boy you have there Nicole. Ali is only 4.9kg. She's still quite little and pettite!!! Still in 0000 and some 000 stuff but the 0000 stuff seems to be bigger than when DS was born.

Shana - it's such hard work raising bubs. Just do what you feel is right and what you feel comfortable doing. It will and does get better. It would be so hard for bubs to adjust to the outside world and some bubs take a little longer. Even us it takes a toll adjusting having a bub too. :hugs:

We have been a little clingy today so lucky we are having a day at home. It's 1.13pm and DS is still in his PJ's. LOL!!! Oh well!!!

sandralee

24-01-2008, 12:46

Noah has been clingy too - I keep thinking it is from the injections. Still in PJ's here LOL, have my hairdresser turning up any minute to work some magic on my hair as it hasn't been done in 3mths now.. EW! :laughing:

shymmer

24-01-2008, 13:03

Thank you all for your support.

I appreciate the sleep clinic suggestions. My mum keeps mentioning them too. For some reason I'm hesitant to do that. What are thier methods? Do they make them cry it out as Sandralee said? I'm far too much of a softy to handle that. I guess it would depend on the clinic?
I'm being tougher on giving boob. Really trying to have 3hr break between feeds if possible. So lot of rocking/soothing going on. And trying to put her down awake so she goes to sleep by herself.
I've given up going back to bed today - it's far too hot in the bedroom.
I know having a new bub isn't easy. I did think I'd have it more together though (well, hoped).
Dh is bringing home "The Baby Whisperer Solves all your Problems".

Let's hope she does.:D

Sandralee you make me laugh! It has been a week since Xav had her injections . . . and I can hardly remember ANY of it.

tally

24-01-2008, 14:00

Shana not sure what they do now, things have probably changed in the 12yrs since I frequented one.. whatever they do they staff are there to support you and help you through it, you wont know unless you try, it may be a waste of time and you hate every second of it or it could be a real blessing..

Rylans 5.6kg, still in all his 000's, I put a 00 Bonds suit on him the other day and its still massive but the 000's are a getting tight around his cloth bum...but fit great everywhere else.

Sandralee I havent had my hair done since about 6wks b4 Rylan was born.. maybe I need someone to visit me too... :hair:

Nan

24-01-2008, 15:47

Haha! You girls crack me up! I haven't had my hair done since May last year!!!!! :o

I bet you all look like hotties................:yes: :D

sandralee

24-01-2008, 17:22

LOL Nan!! So glad I had it done today, I get blonde highlights so you can imagine the regrowth! Noah slept for the first hour so I was quite lucky. Even though he has had sleeps today & I have only let him stay up for around 60-90 mins (max) in between, he has been in a grizzly/wanting cuddles mood. Does anybody else out there have a hyper baby? I get so worried about Noah sometimes! He goes nuts moving everything about ALL the time he is awake. Has been difficult to feed him today as he is more 'switched on' than usual.. has 2 sucks then bobs his head, looking erratically around the room, then 2 more sucks and looks up at me gooing and smiling.. he was slurping away so will probably give him even more wind. Whaddya-do huh?
He looks like he is getting a tooth & I feel a point there too (the point has only surfaced in the lastday or so) - I think with babies they can come up and go back down for months?
Gotta go, Noah is not falling asleep in the swing as planned hehe - he is seriously crankypants! xx

AliyahBlake

24-01-2008, 19:09

My hair is in need of a cut as well! I tried to get it done just before Christmas and had an appointment booked, but Aliyah and Blake were both playing up that day, so I cancelled it. I put a semi permanent colour through it to brighten it up at Christmas time, but I really need it cut as it's very curly and gets dry and knotty at the ends. Maybe next week!

Blake started to have a really hoarse, husky cry this afternoon - I hope he's not coming down with something as I really want to get his needles done tomorrow (he's already a week overdue for them!) :fingerscrossed:

Yes, Blake is a big boy! He's in the 75th percentile of all his growth charts! We are still getting the odd gift from friends and he's been receiving alot of size 0 tshirts and summery things - I said to Craig that I didn't think he'd wear these as summer would be over before he's out of size 00, but at the rate he's growing I think I'll just start putting some of the 0's on him anyway to get wear out of them. I've started putting away his 000's as he's just too long for them now - there's a couple of bigger 000's he still fits but it won't be for much longer. Craig and I are laughing about the fact that in a few years time we are going to have to take out a second mortgage to feed this kid :laughing: I still can't believe this big boy came out of little me!!

Moops

24-01-2008, 19:25

HI everyone

Well we are on day 4 with no poo! RB, I breastfeed him during the day and give him formula at night does this mean he should be pooping?

I took him to the Dr yesterday and they were hopeless basically said there was nothing they could do, he just looks like he's in so much pain and is so grizzly. I gave him some calpol (like baby panadol) last night cos he had a bit of a fever last night too. We gave him a bath a bit after this and he was fine at first, splashing around etc then he just conked out! I've never seen anything like it! He was splashing around one minute then the next he closed his eyes and he was out of it!

Luca has his needles on monday, I am still really dreading it I'm such a wuss. They said if he hasn't pooped by then they will refer us to a Paediatrician.

I'm dying to get my hair done! But there is no way Luca would be quiet for that amount of time!

Oh and I've put my neck out carrying him and giving him his bottle! It feels like I've pinched a nerve or something, he is such a chubba bubba!

Shana - Give the sleep clinic a call and ask what methods they employ cos the sleep consultant that we got around doesnt believe in cc and observes the babies behaviour and personality to settle them which is better I think.

sniper wolf

24-01-2008, 19:53

Yes, Blake is a big boy! He's in the 75th percentile of all his growth charts! We are still getting the odd gift from friends and he's been receiving alot of size 0 tshirts and summery things - I said to Craig that I didn't think he'd wear these as summer would be over before he's out of size 00, but at the rate he's growing I think I'll just start putting some of the 0's on him anyway to get wear out of them. I've started putting away his 000's as he's just too long for them now - there's a couple of bigger 000's he still fits but it won't be for much longer. Craig and I are laughing about the fact that in a few years time we are going to have to take out a second mortgage to feed this kid :laughing: I still can't believe this big boy came out of little me!!

yeah. my girl is in the 97th percentile and weighed 6.2 kilos at the 8 week mark. fortunately her length is in proportion as well at 61.5 with head circumference of 41. recently she hasnt been eating quite as much, but she's still heavy, i wonder whether she will continue to grow as quickly or whether they have phases. anyone?

here is a very recent pic:
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/banana_in_the_clutch/?action=view&current=pinkcardyjan23.jpg

sniper wolf

24-01-2008, 19:54

sorry double post

although i could add with respect to the clothes thing - is that some of the clothes she has are allegedly for 3-6 months and, well she was in them a few weeks ago. weirdly she is stil in some 000s as well, so sizing varies quite a bit it seems.

Moops

24-01-2008, 20:07

Oh Snake Eater she is so adorable!

sandralee

25-01-2008, 05:44

Gorgeous pic snake eater,you must be very proud!
Moops - My SIL had the same situation with her baby. She put a small ammount of brown sugar in some boiled water.. then BOOM.. her baby pooped. Go easy on the brown sugar though, it is pretty potent in that department. xx

Rainbowbrite

25-01-2008, 06:49

Snake Eater she is gorgeous :)

I'm another that very rarely has her hair done :( I wish I had it done more but its so expensive!!

Moops, Ani finally poo'd last night & it wasn't that bad :D If he seems distressed then see a dr & they will tell if somethings not right, but he may just not go all the time. I really wouldn't be giving him anything though, but thats just me. MJ is almost 3 & she still only goes every 2nd or 3rd day. Its just her body, we've looked into it.

Had the BEST night here. Gave bub a dream feed at 9.30 & he didn't wake till 5AM :smiliedance:

sniper wolf

25-01-2008, 08:22

thanks for the nice comments people!:D

RB - yay for your night.... i had a 6 hour followed by a 3 hour - not tooo bad. at l;east she's heading in the right direction with that 1st sleep...

moops- i heard that it is normal for some babies to poo once a week - weird but true apparently - heard that from midwives. sore neck here as well, at 6.2 kilos no wonder!

had my hair done last in september - no colour though as i didnt want the maintenance. all these years i've had colour and then when i decide to go natural - i've got greys - MAN! still, i oculd do with a cut fo' sho'.

hi to everyone - hope your weekends are lookng good!:flowerz:

tally

25-01-2008, 08:26

Had the BEST night here. Gave bub a dream feed at 9.30 & he didn't wake till 5AM :smiliedance:

Thats awesome fingers crossed he keeps it up..

Your little lady is gorgeous snake eater..

We had a pretty good night, Rylans still in bed now :eek:

I just wanted to with Perrywinkle a huge
HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY
happybirthday

I hope you get spoilt absolutely rotten and gets lots of hugs and cuddles from the kids.. You're getting old like the rest of us.. :yes::laughing: I wish I could be there but not with this flu :crying:

kaybee

25-01-2008, 08:52

Snakeeater - she is gorgeous! I agree about the size thing, Bub is in 0000 and 000. Some of the 0000 are a bit too short, but others are only fitting her now!

Moops - I've got a friend whose little boy has only been going once a week since he was 8 wks old. He is bf. My bub usually goes every day, but she skips a day sometimes. We pay for it the next day though with a lot of poo!!

I got my hair cut last in October when I went on maternity leave. Luckily I don't colour it. I hate going to the haridressers, I only go a few times a year!

My little girl has to have a blood test today to check how her thyroid is going. Not looking forward to it.:no:

Perrywinkle happybirthday You've joined the old lady club!! (30+!)

Well gotta go, someone is crying for her boob!

Rainbowbrite

25-01-2008, 09:00

Happy Birthday Perrywinkle :hugs: :smiliedance:

sniper wolf

25-01-2008, 09:15

thanks kaybee (good luck with blood test) and tally!

happy birthday perrywinkle - hope you have a great day!:D

sandralee

25-01-2008, 11:22

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PERRYWINKLE!!! FOr your birthday I hope you get an 8hr stretch of sleep tonight...rrrrrrrr...what a luxury that would be huh!?!
Had a sh*tty arvo & evening with an unsettled baby - the 5-6hr sleep went out the window for whatever reason - but am hoping he just had an off night.
I am actually nervous about doing a 30min drive with him to a nail appt this arvo - wondering if he will scream in the car, or be sooky at my appt. Hmmmmm. People always want to 'hold the baby' and that makes things even worse at times. Oh well, I am forcing myself to do pamper stuff, as this baby raising can be time consuming. Have kept my monthly eyebrow appt at the skin clinic & nail appt every 2-3wks for sanity!
Steve is taking a week off work to get some stuff done around the house so I hope he spends some time with Noah to give me a break when I need one. :smiliedance:xx

krixly

25-01-2008, 11:26

Hi to all of the mums out there with November bubs. I have recently found this site/forum so just wanted to introduce myself. We live in Brisbane if there are any other mums around this area.

My bub, Nehemiah was born on 2/11/07 by emergency c-section. He was born at 38.5 weeks and was 4kg and 52 cm. He is 12 weeks today and weighs 7.5kg and is 67cm. He is in the 97th percentile!!!! Big boy! Dr and Child health nurse tell me that his height matches his weight so nothing to worry about.

He was breastfed up until 4 weeks when he started having terrible trouble with silent reflux and was unable to feed without screaming. I started bottlefeeding with expressed milk up until he was 8 weeks. He is now exclusively bottle fed on the reflux formula and is doing really well. He is also on meds for his reflux but once he is sitting etc, i will stop those coz it is supposed to get better then.

Anyway, wanted to fill you in a little on the last 12 weeks. Looking forward to chatting more with all of you ladies!:)

MrsScatterbrain

25-01-2008, 12:20

Hi everyone,

Happy Birthday Perriwinkle! :p

Welcome krixly! :D

Sandralee - good luck with your appt and the car journey!

kaybee - good luck with the blood test.

Snake eater - what a cutie. Must take some more photos of Thmas ...

Moops, I'm not sure if someone else has mentioned it, but you could try massaging Luca's stomach? I think they call it the 'I love you' - up on the left side, across the top and then down the right side. Its handy when they've got a tummy ache/problems.

Shana - I found when I took DS1 to sleep school, some do controlled crying and some don't, its worth asking to see. If they can book you in, at the very least you can get some rest. :hugs: You sound exhausted (to say the very least!)

I have a hair appt once yearly!!!:laughing: My hair is very straight and boring, so I can get away with it!

Thomas had his vax on Wednesday, it went alright, I didn't cry this time! :D (Last time they gave me a jelly bean out of the kid's jar!!!!:o) He screamed from about 9pm until midnight despite the Panadol, then I let him sleep with us so I could jiggle him when he got distressed. Yesterday he was feeding and sleeping well, so fingers crossed he'll be okay now.

Take care everyone xx

MrsScatterbrain

25-01-2008, 12:21

PS: Krixly - how do you pronounce you bub's name? (Not that I'm at risk of mispronouncing it on the web!! :laughing:)

perrywinkle

25-01-2008, 12:26

here is a very recent pic:
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/banana_in_the_clutch/?action=view&current=pinkcardyjan23.jpg

What a cutie!!!!

THANKYOU ladies for your kind words!!! Not much happening today. Just had a couple of good friends come over and they bought me some beautiful flowers. Am having a family lunch on Sunday (easier going to lunch than dinner with a bub) which will be good. Mum is popping over tonight to see me and with DH away it's a quite day for me!!! I've decided I'll have a big 40th :smiliedance:

Ali was good for me last night. She went down at 7pm woke at 1.30am and woke for the day at 7am so that's pretty good. She's been a bit unsettled this morning but she hasn't slept much so she's down now hopefully for a couple of hours!! :fingerscrossed:

Anyway have a lovely day everyone!!!

Vespera

25-01-2008, 13:00

shymmer

25-01-2008, 13:30

Hi ladies,

Ahhh, just woke up from an hour's sleep. How good do I feel???

So I took your advice ladies and started bedtime routine much earlier. Namely the shower at 6.30pm. And feed every 2 hrs after 6pm. She slept from 9pm -12am, back to sleep at 2am then a dream feed at 4.30 and up at 7.30. I thougth that wasn't too bad.
My dilema now (yes . . there is always a dilema with me . . ) is that having her sleep in our bed is not good. I don't sleep! I'm so paranoid she's going to get smothered or dh is going to accidently hit her with his arm. So I think I have to bite the bullet and put her in her own bed.
I've figured the 2am sleep is when she really gets into a deep sleep quickly and I can put her down on her back. So I just need to bring that sleep to a more reasonable hour if I can.

She is sleeping atm - entering third hour, and the Baby Whisperer says not to let them sleep more than 2hrs each daytime nap. So I have to be brave and wake her . . I don't want to , but I'm sure she slept well last ngiht b/c she didn't sleep that much during the day. Though she did have a 3hr nap in the arvo. What to do??

So I am feeling a bit more in control today. Hopefully will catch up more on my sleep next few nights :fingerscrossed:.

As to my hair . . I have had a colour sitting here waiting to go in for the last two weeks. I cut and colour my own, but to find those 2 hrs?
Maybe this weekend. I really need it. The greys are getting obvious!

Yay for those good sleepers! You women are genius for teaching your bubs that!! Send some brainwaves my way, yeah?

Snake eater - What a little doll!

Welcome Krixly!

Heres a pic of Xavia
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/Shana075/Xavia85wks3.jpg"

krixly

25-01-2008, 17:37

PS: Krixly - how do you pronounce you bub's name? (Not that I'm at risk of mispronouncing it on the web!! :laughing:)

it is pronounced knee-a-myer it is a biblical name and special to me and his dad. I know it is different, and we have to kinda explain it to most people, oh and spell it!! Hmmmm, maybe "john" or something would have been better.;)

sandralee

25-01-2008, 17:37

I think I have momentarily lost my sense of humour the past couple of days, how scarey LOL! For once I cannot find anything to laugh about..
Noah screamed for 95% of my trip (to AND from) to get my nails done. Then was overtired, so when we got home he was hard to settle, even in his swing which he loves. He started a sleep at 4.30, and keeps waking up crying every ten mins to the dot. ( I think it is bCOS he is overtired to start with - and that is from only one trip into the outside world. How do you ladies manage shopping trips etc... my mind boggles LOL!)
Does anyone else get anxious or on edge hearing their baby scream in the car? Makes me feel so helpless! Plus I talk constantly to try and calm him, so that is also exhausting.
All it has taken to 'break me' away from my humurous side has been two days of a harder-than-normal-to-settle baby, who hasn't had his usual ammount of sleep.
Have just poured a glass of wine to unwind a bit from my loooooooong day... feel guilty cos I have contemplated sleep school....
DOn't mind me I just needed to get that out.. and this too, shall pass! :ecomcity:
XX

Moops

25-01-2008, 19:25

Hi Everyone

Sands - Oh you poor thing, I know how u feel. Luca is so unpredictable when we go out, sometimes he is an angel sometimes he just screams the place down and I just have to turn around and come home. I think Luca plays up sometimes in the car because his car seat is turned around and he can't see me, have you tried getting a mirror for him to look at?

RB - We have lift off! Luca pooped yesterday after 4 days and it was horrendous. I was in the bath at the time so DH had to clean it up, but he kindly left it for me to look at! Glad to hear that the dream feeding is still working for you!

Luca has been a little angel lately, when we put him to bed at 8ish he is staying in bed and sleeping for anywhere between 5-8 hours then we feed him and he goes for another 4-5 hours and after another feed he'll probably go for another 2. The main thing I'm happy about is that it takes about half an hour to settle him instead of 5 hours!

Saying that we are staying at a friends house tomorrow night so he'll probably play up!

Happy Birthday Perrywinkle!

sniper wolf

25-01-2008, 20:13

firstly :hugs: to all with sleeping issues... it's not easy this, largely my nigths are not too bad , it's the days i can't work out

shana - xavia is very sweet - what amazing eyelashes she has!

sandralee - we all get that way - it's tiring being so patient all the time.

moops - that's a great sleeping pattern you have there, ours is similar, although we dont always get that last 2 hour sleep in. and then in the day - nuttin - or hardly any.

welcome krixly, look forward to hearing about nehemiah

ok that's me for the day. really looking forward to this long weekend...:yes: be good to have DF around sharing the load.:flowerz:

night night people!:goodvibes:

Moops

25-01-2008, 20:28

Has anyone heard from Em lately??

Nan

25-01-2008, 21:51

Nope! I was wondering the same thing, Moops.

.. has 2 sucks then bobs his head, looking erratically around the room, then 2 more sucks and looks up at me gooing and smiling.. he was slurping away so will probably give him even more wind.
Sandra - Caleb does this all the time. Drives me nuts. The smiles are so gorgeous, but you just know you're going to pay for them later. lol

weirdly she is stil in some 000s as well, so sizing varies quite a bit it seems.
Absolutely! She's a cutie btw.

My little girl has to have a blood test today to check how her thyroid is going. Not looking forward to it.
Hope it went well, kaybee.

Welcome krixly - Sounds like you had a tough first few weeks!!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PERRYWINKLE!! Welcome to the dirty 30s!!!! :laughing:

I have a hair appt once yearly!!!My hair is very straight and boring, so I can get away with it!
Mine is straight and boring, too!! But I go twice a year!! :laughing:

Hey girls

well we have a great sleep pattern going on here now and I couldnt be happier. Connor sleeps for 7 hours from midnight and then wakes for a quick feed and back to sleep for another 3 or 4 hours. So as long as I don't make any appointments in the morning we are a happy little family!
Really happy things are settling well, Vespera.

So I have to be brave and wake her . . I don't want to , but I'm sure she slept well last ngiht b/c she didn't sleep that much during the day. Though she did have a 3hr nap in the arvo. What to do??
I'd wake her up, Shana, but that's just me. Both my kids have responded well by sleeping better at night when I haven't let them sleep the day away.

Sandra - Sorry to hear about your appointment from hell. :hugs: Don't feel guilty for thinking about sleep school. Its ok to get help if you need it.

Righto......a hungry little boy needs me...ta ta!!

shymmer

26-01-2008, 00:49

Sandralee I am scared silly of going out anywhere public with Xav. Two reasons: the drive, incase she screams all the way -which she has done. And a melt down at the shops - which she has also done. And we both know when they get going they really CRY.
I think our two bubs are kindred spirited babies! They do a lot of the same stuff.
So I haven't been anywhere without backup. I am lucky to go out once a week. Too scared to leave the house! lol Talk about Groundhog Day here! I have to summon the courage to venture out on my own at some point . . when she's six months maybe??

Has anyone heard from Sasa?

Off to bed - put Xav down on her back in the snuggle bed (in the portacot) tonight. :fingerscrossed: she sleeps well.

krixly

26-01-2008, 06:25

Thanks to all for your kind welcome....

Sandralee, i can really empathise with you and the abnormally harder-to-settle-baby. The past 2 weeks Nehemiah has just not been sleeping in the afternoons for some reaason and is becoming so overtired. I have been trying to get him into a daytime pattern

ie: 7ish - feed, 9 - sleep, 11 - feed, 12.30 - sleep, 3 - feed, 4 - sleep, 6.30 - bath, 7 - feed, 7.30 - bedtime

This is only a new thing in the last few days as prior to this it was 'baby led' all the way and he really had no pattern. Anyway, He has been going really well up until lunch time and may fall asleep for 15 minutes then wakes up and won't go back to sleep. I am putting him down when he is tired but the little thing just won't sleep. Yesterday he wen't from 12.30 - 6.30pm without a sleep and ended up screaming himself to sleep as he was so overtired. He missed his 7pm feed and didn't wake until hubby woke him at 10.15pm to feed him. He went straight back to sleep until 2.30pm. It is just really hard to know what to do with him in the afternoon. I have tried letting him fall asleep on his own (sometimes works), jiggling, rocking, dummy, bottle etc. Feels like i tried everything yesterday. I even tried just bringing him out for some awake time but he was really sooky and would only be held by me, but kept whinging the whole time.

here's to say that hubby came home from work to find both of us in tears!!! :crying:I hate it when it gets like that....

do any of you ladies experience this sort of thing?? any ideas of daytime routines that you have got your bubs into??? they are all around the same age so i just wonder...

sandralee

26-01-2008, 07:30

Hey Shana I just read something in that baby whisperer book that reminded me of you. Page 205 I think it was - lol, I just walked about 5metres to my laptop and can't remember already! :D For babies who settle better on their tummies, she suggests a wrap rolled firmly around their tummy area will do the same job, whilst laying on thier back. You can swaddle with another wrap after doing that. Apparently it puts similar pressure on their tummies and helps ease any pain. xx
Well I am going to be brave today and take Noah in the car again - but for a shorter drive this time - so he gets used to it for when I have to do bigger drives...to a smaller (and quieter) shopping centre, so he also gets used to that environment.
Also going to put him down in his cot for some day sleeps while Steve has taken time off work - so he can take turns settling him, if we have to. The swing has been awesome during the day, but it is not a sustainable option if we are away from home.. or if it runs out of batteries, or breaks, or he grows out of it, lol. We have had him in a portable cot in our room for the past couple of weeks, so would like to get him back in his nursery too - so I don't hear every little noise.
Still not 100% sure if he has reflux or not, as he doesn't cry every time I put him down - and if he does cry sometimes, he stops shortly after.
I need to go and make a coffee STAT - I got up to Noah at 11.30, 12.30, 4am, 5am, 6am. Put him to bed at 7.30, and scored a sleep on the lounge from 8.30-11.30 until Steve woke me. He told me I was snoring and had my mouth open! :D Would love to fit in a dreamfeed for Noah after midnight sometime but I just don't wake up - the sleep I DO have, in between feeds, resembles a coma state.. NOTHING wakes me except for Noah's crying. :sleeping: xx

sandralee

26-01-2008, 08:11

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PERRYWINKLE!! Welcome to the dirty 30s!!!! :laughing:

Nan, the dirty 30's are what got me into this mess in the first place LOL!!! :Dxx

Shana thank goodness it doesn't just happen to me! We can sort them out and do the journey together cos they really do sound like the same personality. Hehe, Noah is also in a snugglebed in a portacot LOL. I like to give the snugglebed a shake between sleeps so that it all 'foofs up' and feels snuggly for the little mafia boss. I haven't taken Noah to a shopping centre by myself yet either, couldn't think of anything worse than a meltdown happening! Especially if I had him in the pram and he decides that he wants to be cuddled and carried - I'd be screwed! Especially due to the fact that he still requires two hands until he supports his head a bit better.
I find the screaming in the car quite traumatising lol! Shopping centre trips are best done with my mum, as Noah feels comfortable with her. If I go out with Steve and Noah decides to get cranky, he just wants me or my boobs - so I feel stuck and then I am not able to do anything anyway, or look at stuff. The thing that makes it worse is the unknown - these are the thoughts that go through my mind:
How long is he going to be like this for?
Is this as good as it gets, and it is just in his personality to feel more comfortable at home? (if so, I am gonna eventually end up in an institution with cabin fever!:()
Is it going to pass after the 3mth stage, when everything isn't so freaky and new to him?
Do I have to resort to becoming a hermit and doing all my shopping online LOL?
SHould I just take him out anyway and get him used to it quicker, or will it backfire?!
Hmmm.. these do a constant loop in my head..
Moops - the baby whisperer suggests diluted prune juice for constipation (page 206) - and to make sure he gets an extra 125ml of water a day if formula fed, or water mixed with prune juice (25ml prune juice to 85ml water) - and to give 25ml at a time, one hour after each feed. xx

sandralee

26-01-2008, 08:17

p.s. Welcome Krixley!!!:)xx
p.p.s. I think about Sasa heaps too! She probably has her hands full like the rest of us - plus she always sounds so organised, making meals and bikky doughs etc in advance (sounds like a cancer/taurus or capricorn mummy)- so I think her 2 girls plus all that stuff keep her too busy at the moment. We miss you Sasa! xx

MrsScatterbrain

26-01-2008, 08:59

Hi everyone,

Krixly - I love that name - its very gentle. Our routine during the day starts at 6am and I feed every three hours, so if Thomas is asleep, I wake him (that's not often any more!!) At night time, I just do whatever Thomas wants! I don't wake him for a routine in case he decides to sleep longer. :fingerscrossed:

Sandralee - :hugs: I hate the crying in the car, too. Thomas screamed the whole way to the local home-maker centre the other day, and when we got there we could not find a park and I demanded DH stop in the middle of the car park so I could get Thomas out! :o Every minute seems like an hour doesn't it? I hope Noah gets used to being outside. :fingerscrossed: Thomas has been like this, too. When we're out for a park trip with DS1, he cries as soon as the pram stops moving, but is getting better (I keep jiggling the pram constantly! With our Phil and Teds, most people don't realise there's a baby in the bottom bit, and it looks like I'm jiggling an empty pram!!! :laughing:).

Not much to report from us ... getting more and more smiles from Thomas - he's definitely got DH's side of the family's 'smiley eyes!'. He's also thinning on top now! I can see a fine sheen of white hair under his brown/red hair that he was born with, so I wonder if he'll be fair like his big brother! :D

AliyahBlake

26-01-2008, 09:02

Hi girls! Just a quick post as my sister and nephew are here for the weekend from Canberra.

Blake had his needles yesterday - screamed the medical centre down when the doc gave them but it only lasted a minute then he was fine. He had a good day yesterday after that, and slept really well last night (up at 2:30 and 6 am), but has been grizzly and unsettled since then. Cuddles and panadol are helping a little though!

Welcome to Krixly :wave:

Happy Birthday for yesterday, Perrywinkle (hope you enjoyed your Facebook cupcake :D ) Hmmm, dirty 30's? I think my 20's were dirtier :laughing: ;)

Anyway, have a great Australia Day everyone and I'll catch you later.

perrywinkle

26-01-2008, 09:08

Hey girls

well we have a great sleep pattern going on here now and I couldnt be happier. Connor sleeps for 7 hours from midnight and then wakes for a quick feed and back to sleep for another 3 or 4 hours. So as long as I don't make any appointments in the morning we are a happy little family!

That's great what a good boy Connor is!!! :yelclap::yelclap:

RB - We have lift off! Luca pooped yesterday after 4 days and it was horrendous. I was in the bath at the time so DH had to clean it up, but he kindly left it for me to look at! Glad to hear that the dream feeding is still working for you!

Oh that is something my DH would do LOL!!! He gets so nervous changing big poos like that.

Welcome Krixly!! That was very rude of me not saying welcome in my other post!! What a beautiful name you have choosen too!!!

Well we had an unusal night. We went down at 7.30pm woke at 11.30pm for a feed and then again at 1am because the little bugger had gotten her arms out and that's what woke her up. She has recently found her hands and ears and constantly plays with them all the time so she was wide awake when I went in. Tried for 1/2hr to put her back to sleep without feeding her because she only fed at 11.30pm so as soon as it hit 1.30am (2hrs) I ended up feeding her and she took 1/2hr to feed!!!

So we are definately not ready to be unwrapped for sleep time yet!! Once she starts rolling is when I'll stop the wrapping. She'll probably sleep for 3hrs now!!!!

I'm going to go and do some gardening I think! Have a good day everyone!:wave::wave:

kaybee

26-01-2008, 10:31

Welcome Krixly!!

I have a quick question girls, in the last 24 hours, Ava has been continually bringing up her milk. It varies sometimes a little bit, others alot. Sometimes straight after she's been feed or an hour later, or continually for an hour, a little bit at a time. Is this normal?? Could she have a tummy bug or something. I checked her temp this morning and it's normal and she doesn't seem to out of sorts. For the last few days she's been crying a bit more and feeding more often. It's really annoying as we have to go out a bit today, house hunting and I'm forever changing her outfit. Although it's been 4 days, could it still be a reaction to her needles? Or the Rotovirus vax?

sniper wolf

26-01-2008, 10:58

odette started to do that spontaneously at one point (about a week or so ago), she did it for a few days but it is way less now.

IMO if there's not a temperature or any other signs of sickness or distress, personally i wouldnt worry about it and merely write it off as 'something babies do'.

krixly

26-01-2008, 11:09

Sandralee - my bub is a few weeks older than yours and I have to say that the crying in the car or in the pram was getting to me heaps too! I have found that since he is now strong enough to sit more upright in the pram he loves it coz he can look around. Still gets cranky at times but nowhere near as much. He is a big boy too ( just off 8kg) so i have just turned his car seat forwards and he is coping so much better!!! i think too the more you do something the better it gets, also as they get older. i still don't really do much on my own, but slowly gaining more confidence. it is pretty scary really!!

MrsScatterbrain

26-01-2008, 11:54

Kaybee - the pamphlet they gave me on Rotavirus vax said they could have a reaction to up to 7 days after the vaccination. The nurse told me that if vomiting lasted more than 4 hours to call them or the Maternal & Child Health Line - 13 22 29. If neither you or bubby are distressed by it (and she's not dehydrated), though, its probably okay.

But, like Snake Eater said, it could just be one of those things - sometimes they have more 'chucky' days than others!! :fingerscrossed: Hope it clears up soon.

krixly

26-01-2008, 11:56

sandralee

26-01-2008, 12:04

Thanks for the words of wisdom girls! Noah has had a few little spews as well this week, which is unlike him. Even that sends my mind into a spin LOL - is it from vaccine... is it reflux (which I am still unsure about :confused:)... is it a tummy bug (cos his head has felt a bit warmer this week & his skin clammy at times, like he has had sweats in his sleep....) I guess you just have to keep an eye on the ammount, so they don't lose too much fluid from their bodies.
Had to wake him after 2hrs fo his first sleep of the day - wow, I had time to file his nails while waking him. Was a bonus cos he wriggles around too much when he is awake, and I am not brave enough to use baby clippers as I have heard too many horror stories about clipping thier fingertips! :eek: (n.b. I liked the old 'shocked smilie' better - it cracked me up more!) Now I am about to wake him from his second sleep of the day.. well after I have painted my toenails.:D I think I have let him have too much sleep of a morning, and/or too little awake time between sleeps.
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perrywinkle

26-01-2008, 12:42

Out of curiosity, how many of you still have to nurse/rock bubs to sleep??? I have been trying to get Nehemiah to sleep on his own, and he has a few times, but usually still needs to be held. I probably didn't do the right thing nursing him to sleep all this time, but a lot of the time he has been upset with reflux and needed his mummy to help him settle.

just wondering really....

Well it all depends on her really. Most of the time I can put her in wide awake and she will settle off by her self but sometimes I have to hold her. But I only hold her till she's 3/4 sleep then put her in her cot and she goes by herself.

She's great at night I can feed her and she'll go straight back to sleep by herself.

Nan

26-01-2008, 12:43

HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY GIRLS!!!

Yesterday he wen't from 12.30 - 6.30pm without a sleep and ended up screaming himself to sleep as he was so overtired. He missed his 7pm feed and didn't wake until hubby woke him at 10.15pm to feed him. He went straight back to sleep until 2.30pm.
do any of you ladies experience this sort of thing??
krixly - It sounds as though you have a good routine planned out. Sometimes they just have a bad day or even a bad week. :crying: If it continues next week, then I'd say you may need to adjust your routine, but the four hourly feeds with playtime before sleeps sounds good. Do you keep an eye out for his tired signs & put him to sleep straight away (before the over tiredness starts)?
We have a similar routine to yours except I feed Caleb every 3 hours. It is working really well, but he has his off days too! Last night was a shocker.....it was mainly because the poor little thing had HEAPS of wind (I forgot his enzymes during the day - oops) and had trouble sleeping all afternoon because it kept waking him up, but occasionally he just has a bad day. I think they all do. Unfortunately not every day can be 'text book'. (To quote Mr. Cadbury! ----->) Wouldn't it be nice??

I think our two bubs are kindred spirited babies! They do a lot of the same stuff.
They do don't they? Maybe they'll get married one day! :p

Would love to fit in a dreamfeed for Noah after midnight sometime but I just don't wake up - the sleep I DO have, in between feeds, resembles a coma state.. NOTHING wakes me except for Noah's crying.

Nan, the dirty 30's are what got me into this mess in the first place LOL!!!

The thing that makes it worse is the unknown - these are the thoughts that go through my mind:
How long is he going to be like this for?
Is this as good as it gets, and it is just in his personality to feel more comfortable at home? (if so, I am gonna eventually end up in an institution with cabin fever!)
Is it going to pass after the 3mth stage, when everything isn't so freaky and new to him?
Do I have to resort to becoming a hermit and doing all my shopping online LOL?
Hey hun! Hope it went well in the car today. :fingerscrossed: I was going to suggest an alarm clock to wake you for the dream feed, but then I read the last bit!! Heavy sleeper methinks! As for the dirty 30s, is THAT what it means? (smiles innocently :angel:) Kidding! Now to answer your questions & attempt to get back some of your humour:
Until death......he's a man.
Who needs cabin fever to be institutionalized?.....we're at home all day remember?
Maybe......maybe not.
Is this as opposed to being a hermit and NOT doing your shopping online?
Just jokes, mate. I'm not trying to make light of your situation. I know they're genuine questions. It DOES get better......maybe not until they get to school, but it does! :hugs:

With our Phil and Teds, most people don't realise there's a baby in the bottom bit, and it looks like I'm jiggling an empty pram!!!
... getting more and more smiles from Thomas - he's definitely got DH's side of the family's 'smiley eyes!'.
I've been known to jiggle an empty pram once or twice! A friend once asked 'What ARE you doing?' when I did it with an empty shopping trolley!!
Smiley eyes sound booootiful!

I'm going to go and do some gardening I think!
In this heat?? You're dedicated! :yelclap:

....in the last 24 hours, Ava has been continually bringing up her milk. It varies sometimes a little bit, others alot. Sometimes straight after she's been feed or an hour later, or continually for an hour, a little bit at a time. Is this normal??
Hey kaybee - I forget if she is bf or ff. If she's bf, it is VERY normal, as your milk is changing consistency about now to accomodate her growing nutritional needs. Caleb has been doing the exact same thing. They get a bit chucky while they get used to it. If she is ff, I'm sorry but I'm not sure. It could be hotter weather??

Well, its hot here today.....both kids are asleep atm, and Shane is home (and getting me something for lunch....bless him), so I'm feeling relaxed for once! Ask me if I still am come 11pm!!!! I hope I can get some serious cricket watching done this afternoon. I'd soooo be there if Caleb wasn't bf. *pouts*

AliyahBlake

26-01-2008, 13:06

I have a quick question girls, in the last 24 hours, Ava has been continually bringing up her milk. It varies sometimes a little bit, others alot. Sometimes straight after she's been feed or an hour later, or continually for an hour, a little bit at a time. Is this normal?? Could she have a tummy bug or something. I checked her temp this morning and it's normal and she doesn't seem to out of sorts. For the last few days she's been crying a bit more and feeding more often. It's really annoying as we have to go out a bit today, house hunting and I'm forever changing her outfit. Although it's been 4 days, could it still be a reaction to her needles? Or the Rotovirus vax?
My guess is probably the Rotavirus vax is doing it, Kaybee. Although, Blake has days where he just spews all the time too, and then he stops for a few days. I think sometimes it depends on what I eat, as some things I find just don't agree with him when it gets into the breastmilk and his stomach just rebels!

Nan

26-01-2008, 13:59

I was thinking Caleb's chucky-ness could have been due to something I ate too, but I don't think I've eaten any of the usual triggers. :confused:

sandralee

26-01-2008, 14:03

Nan I am having a giggle at you loving the cricket so much!! I put it on during the day, to have as background noise and bore Noah to sleep lol! How's that for projecting my feelings on him?! :D If you ever want to torture me, tape me to a chair in front of the cricket - even the commentators voice gives me the yawns. I remember the first time I met Shane Warne & told him the exact same thing & he just gave me a shocked look lol... then the text messages started so I musn't have offended him too much.. yeah he is a bugger, I met him on his first wedding anniversary (from memory) and he wanted me to go back to his suite at Quay West in Brizzy. Kept making me promise that I wouldn't let him down. So glad I never married anybody with that attitude! EW!:rolleyes:xx
Hehe : "Noah & Xavier up in a tree.. K.I.S.S.I.N.G..."

sandralee

26-01-2008, 14:10

Well the day has flown by, so going to pike out of the mini shop trip - that might be best done during a morning, so he 'recovers' well and truly by evening. Took him out to the pool with Steve for something different and let his feet dangle in the water - so cute & he looked really relaxed. Now he is down (gulp.. in the swing) for another sleep. Nan, you cheered me up! Going to go and have a shower (yeah it's late:D) & freshen up. Does anyone think their B.O. is stronger with the hormones still in their system? I am not a stinker, but since I was pregnant I have noticed a bit of B.O.
Will try some of Nan's remedy for Noah and get some papaya enzymes.. I love saying that word... PAPAYA.... sounds exotic, and makes me feel like I am in Hawaii.... yah, okay, I am going! :Dxx

kaybee

26-01-2008, 14:25

Thanks for the replies girls! Yes, she is bf so it's probably normal. In the Baby Love book it says that babies can just start having reflux around 3 months for no reason. As she seems alright and doesn't have a temperature I'm thinking she'll be ok. I've also eaten a few things that "they" say make reflux worse over the last couple of days- necatarines, OJ and chilli, so don't know if that could be contributing. I think I'll lay off them for a few days. (:crying: I LOVE stone fruit, chilli and OJ!)

Krixly - Ava sometimes goes off to sleep on her own othertimes needs to be patted & cuddled. If she's having a bad day and is unsettled, then definitely needs to be patted and the dummy too!
Happy Australia Day everyone!!!:party:

shymmer

26-01-2008, 14:56

Hello everyone,

So my routine got a bit skewed last night, she didn't have a sleep before 12.30am and again no deep sleep until 2.30am, but she did sleep from about 9am to 12.30 today. Not great in the scheme of routine, but atleast I got some much needed sleep too.

Krixly, I am just embarking on a routine too. My only suggestion regarding the unsettled arfternoon (in my lack of experience :rolleyes:) would be to maybe feed him more on a 3hrly basis during the day rather than 4hrly. I read under 4mths they should feel every 3hrs and at 4mth go to 4 hrly feeds.
And I still have to rock Xavia to sleep most times. Sometimes during the day I can put her down if I catch her at the right time and she will go to sleep by herself (on tummy). I do try to put her down slightly awake if she is overtired and I have to rock her. But not for her deep sleep on her back . . rocking and holding for ages with that one!
(PS- I am in Bris too)

And while it is pretty frustrating when I'd really just like her to go to sleep by herself and my 'accidental parenting' is no doubt off the scales . . . I wouldn't trade all those lovely cuddles and sleeps on me Xavia has had for the world. :D They are only little for a short time. :) And hey - a few hours of squatts and lunges is good for my legs right? Though I am temped to put my sneakers on just to get her to sleep, LOL.

Sandralee - thanks for that tummy wrapping tip. I read that too. I might try it, though I'm not sure her resistance to back sleeping is pain related? I thiought it was the pressure on her chest she missed and likes for sleeping? I swaddled her last night and slept her on her side a bit. But her big sleep today was in bed with me :rolleyes:(on her back though :thumbsup:).
I think Xavia's meltdown at the shops was from overstimulation. I can't remember if she was due for a sleep (probably was). So until I get brave about outings I have to put up with wonderful Dh doing the shopping and bringing home inferior products and the wrong bisciuts. But oh well.

Hope Blake feels better soon Nicole.

Kaybee, Xav's been bringing up milk this week too. I guess maybe the vaccines. Vommitting is a side effect. She doesn't seem too disturbed by it. But I am then at odds whether to give her bb again soon after if she asks for it b/c I figure the up-chuck might make her hungry again sooner? (if she brought up a lot)

Have a good day ladies.

sandralee

26-01-2008, 15:10

Sometimes Shana, I believe I am the queen of accidental parenting lol! Have been guilty of snuggling Noah up beside me in bed when he wakes around the 4am mark (4 times lol)- totally selfish on my behalf, cos I want to stay comfy rather than be banished to the lounge so Steve can sleep. And that is because of another accidental parenting thingy - I still haven't put Noah back in his nursery! Will make a start later this arvo when it's catnap time cos it won't make a difference if he doesn't sleep for long. Since the 5wks he spent in his nursery I changed it around a bit and moved his cot for 'better chi' lol and took it away from near the window. Steve is going to the shop for me to get some papaya enzyme tablets (thanks Nan!) so I don't have to go. Andy has gone for a sleepover, so am hoping to get some time with Steve tonight once Noah is down for the night. (well I can only hope!) Our relationship has definitely changed since Noah was born & we have found it hard to even get decent conversation time that isn't related to babies/poos/sleep patterns etc. I miss our cuddles and chats, so that is something I am looking forward to making time for now that Noah is a little older. So many things to balance hey?! xxx
Wanna know something funny & a bit stupid? My brain is SO not functioning properly - I thought Australia day was monday cos that's when the holiday is lol! So HAPPY AUSSIE DAY! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

shymmer

26-01-2008, 15:32

Sandralee I thought Aust Day was Monday too! I had no idea what today's date was!!

You are doing well to put Noah in his nursery. Xavia makes a lot of noise while she sleeps but I can't have her out of earshot or I would be forever getting up to check her. I even prefer her within reach so I can check her temp etc, but the portacot wont fit thtough the bedrrom door (without colapsing it) so she was just outside the door last night, still very close though.

And our relationship? - Got into bed last night without a third person between us and it was like, Hmmm, cuddle?. . . .sleep? I thought I had better make an efffort so chose cuddle . . . got two minutes cuddle in before Xavia woke up!
I can forsee any future bd'ing not only being stealth . . but very quick. . . :(

AliyahBlake

26-01-2008, 15:49

Arrgghhh, poor little Blake! He's been so cranky and unsettled this afternoon. He's hardly slept all day and has been screaming for the last hour! My sister has taken him outside for a while to give Craig and I a break as we're a little stressed. Aliyah was the same after her needles so hopefully by tomorrow our little man will be back to normal. He's had lovely green liquid poos this afternoon and obvious tummy pain, so he's not a happy chappy. Oh well, I'll stick him in the bath shortly and hopefully that'll settle him for the night :fingerscrossed:

Shana - it's hard getting cuddle time in with the DH! Only problem is, it gets harder with 2 kids! :doh:

Rainbowbrite

26-01-2008, 15:54

Just popping in to let you all know that Kate (Kizmet)'s grandma passed away on Thursday. So big :hugs: for her. She asked that I pass on the message :hugs:

Nothing to report here, went up to westfields today with Anakin in the Moby wrap & he slept from 9am-1pm :smiliedance: He loves being held so much. Right now he's asleep on my bed where we all just had a rest :)

perrywinkle

26-01-2008, 16:21

Oh big :hugs: to Kate and her family.

Pretty quite day here just did some gardening this morning only for about 2hrs (:yes: Nan it was way too hot but when one is motivated they must do it). Mum came over to help and she took DS for an afternoon play at her house :smiliedance:

So I have done some more scrapbooking in peace and quite!!!!

Shana - just make sure you rest as much as possible when Xav sleeps those long bouts during the morning!

Nicole I hope Blake settles down for you tonight. Maybe a couple of baths might help!!!

krixly

26-01-2008, 17:01

:hugs: for kate and family

thanks so much for your replies guys. it is nice to be able to check and compare what i am doing. i feel clueless most of the time really! may try feeding him more regularly during the day. will see how we go!!

Shana - nice to hear of someone else in Brisbane!

update on the day - Nehemiah has been a bit of an :angel: today really!!! Couldn't really have asked for a better day! Woke at 5.30am had a play and feed, back to sleep at 7, woke at 8, back to sleep at 9.30, awake for feed and play at 10.30, back to sleep by 12 and slept until 2.30. woke for a feed and we went for a walk, then back to sleep at 4.30 and is still asleep now!!
here's hoping for a good night tonight!

hope all of your australia days have been enjoyable. It has been amazing weather here in brisbane and really pleasant out for a walk.

Moops

26-01-2008, 20:34

Hello everyone

Happy Australia Day! I nearly forgot, being in the UK!

I've been reading all your posts but have already forgotten nearly everything, is it still normal to have pregnancy brain?!

Kizmet - :hugs:to you and your family hun x

Krixly - We have stopped holding Luca and rocking him to sleep as he would wake up as soon as we put him down and wouldnt sleep on his own. He can now self settle but he sleeps in his pram cos he hates his cot and I do rock his pram a few times to make him drop off.

Sandralee - Luca has worn scratchmits everyday since he was born cos his nails are so sharp and I was too scared to cut them, his hands have never seen the light of day! The other day he was asleep so I got some little scissors and cut them, they are so soft that it was easy.

That is so funny about Shane Warne Sands! I met him at Gatwick Airport in London 2 years ago. I was standing behind him in the Travelex line and he was very flirty and asked for my number, I politely declined. Also when I was younger I was in a club and Wendell Sailor chatted me up, a couple of weeks later his wedding picture was on the front page of the Sunday Mail!

To those who jiggle an empty pram, I jiggle everything these days! I noticed after I had been rocking Luca in my arms I started jiggling the remote, I look like I've developed Parkinson's or something!

I was thinking of all the Nov mummies we haven't heard of in a while - Em, Sasa, Rhianna, Mummymer, Katiekitten - Hope u r all doing well!

Roxy76

27-01-2008, 14:40

Thanks for the replies girls! Yes, she is bf so it's probably normal. In the Baby Love book it says that babies can just start having reflux around 3 months for no reason. As she seems alright and doesn't have a temperature I'm thinking she'll be ok. I've also eaten a few things that "they" say make reflux worse over the last couple of days- necatarines, OJ and chilli, so don't know if that could be contributing. I think I'll lay off them for a few days. (:crying: I LOVE stone fruit, chilli and OJ!)

i LOVE stone fruit also and have had to give it up too!! :crying: and OJ!! :crying:

sandralee

27-01-2008, 15:10

Started (finally) the baby whisperer routine and put Noah back in his nursery, so has been a full-on day in this house. He has done well all day, even though his naps have only been for an hour - but for his arvo nap around 2pm he fell asleep okay, but was jumpier than usual (from being overtired, having only short naps) so after an hour of sleeping-but-jumpy he had enough and started crying.. so resorted to putting him in swing (yeah it's like "baby 'crack'" I know, and I am the dealer LOL) where he will at least have a sound sleep before the night time rituals.
Still in my PJs but it has been an easier transition time than I thought - couldn't believe how quickly he fell asleep in his cot, with no crying for the first 2 sleeps & only overtired/frustrated cry for the 3rd one after an hour of dozing. I expected a lot of screaming lol!! Gosh I even swaddled him with one arm out AND he took a dummy for the tird sleep session. Shock horror! The slurping sound he made with it kept waking him too, so might try a different brand next time. Think Maggie Simpson. Have stocked up on 4 or 5 different brands cos I have been keen for him to suck onsomething other than me. I aimed it for the roof of his mouth like the baby whisperer suggests.
Well girls I have more of my bible to study (baby whisperer) & really need to take a shower.
Moops - I think I might start using scissors as well, they scare me less than clippers!
:hugs:xx

shymmer

27-01-2008, 18:13

Routine?. . .what routine??

Xavia has just slept from 11am to 2.30pm, had some chow and straight back to sleep until now - 6.15pm! 7hrs!!!! :eek:

I'm in for it tonight . . .

sandralee

27-01-2008, 20:11

LOL Shana - well I am wingin' my routine as of late arvo.. couldn't leave his bath til 7pm cos he is usually asleep by then, so brought it forward til 5.30pm. (and that was pusing it a bit, he didn't enjoy it as much) Then the catnap lasted 10 mins rather than 40 mins lol.. Now I have resorted to something he is used to (the swing) for a catnap before bed - so that I haven't changed everything on him at once. He has been in it for 15mins with an odd non-serious grizzle, and now looks like he is nodding off. Then I shall feed him (dreamfeed if he doesn't wake, obviously lol) and put him in his cot. I feel mentally drained from all this thinking and structure but am willing to give it a go. Really couldn't make him go cold turkey with everything, but I am pretty happy with how things turned out.... for now anyway... he might wake up more than normal because of the changes made, today but I am hoping that this isn't the case! I have a sick feeling now that it is night time and time to stick with what I started - I am dreading the possibility that I will get even less sleep than normal (and that isn't much)
90 mins later: Got him out of the swing at 7pm and he stirred slightly - then gave him a feed in his nursery & he drifted off even deeper, so put him in his cot. (and only gave him a slight stir when I put him in so he had an opportunity to sense what room he was in) Going to try a dream feed at 10pm & hope he doesn't wake beforehand! We must be really 'connected' LOL cos when I say I am going to deam feed him at a certain time, he seems to start waking a few mins before that time. Trippy cos it hasn't been at exactly the same time each night either.
Even though I found my own routine this arvo/evening, in some weird way I managed to end up in sync with the bedtime the baby whisperer suggests, 8pm - and I wasn't even trying to keep up after things started going off course, so that was kinda neat. Hoping not to cave in and put him back in the portacot if things get ugly through the night lol.
Sweet dreams to all XXXXXXXXXXXXXX:hugs:

sandralee

27-01-2008, 20:17

p.s. WOW Shana! How is Xav doing after her big sleeps? (or more importantly how are YOU doing lol?!) I would have been tempted to wake her after the 2hr mark, but I remember how excited I get if Noah has a 'long' stretch like that.. only now, I have been working on him getting his longer ones at night.
Nice to hear you live in briz, maybe we will meet up one day when we are brave enough to leave the house.. LOL... so maybe when our kids are five! :sleeping:
Hmmm.. haven't heard a peep from Noah's room so far & I am wondering if I dare get comfy in bed lol! Or if it is too early & he is going to stir. He didn't burp after last feed so will see what happens - let's hope he has a good f*rt in his sleep! xx

Moops

28-01-2008, 05:08

Hi everyone

Hope everyone is doing well, I had an absolutely horrible weekend. We went away to our friends house and stayed the night with Luca, we packed everything we owned into the car because we wanted to keep the routine going.

At 6.30pm like normal we gave him a bath and that is when it went horrible wrong. DH and I had been fighting all day, well not really fighting just overtired and short with each other. Anyway we were in our friends bathroom and had Luca in the babybath in the bathtub (we usually just put it on the floor). DH decided that it was too hard to lean over so he put it on the floor on Luca's towel so when we took him out we had nothing to wrap him in. DH was holding Luca in the bath whilst I was trying to tug the towel out from under the bath and the next thing the whole bath tipped over all over DH. It all seems like a blur now but I just remember DH in shock when the water hit him and dropping Luca on the floor. He only fell from the height of the baby bath onto the floor but he did bump his head on the tiles, I was absoutely hysterical and so angry at DH. We both stood there just in shock, DH looked like he was going to cry. After checking him over he looked fine, he cried a bit but I think that was just shock. Anyway I'm not sure if it was because of that or because we were in a different environment but he didn't sleep till midnight then woke up every 3 hours. We were there for a dinner party but I spent the entire time with Luca making sure he was ok. To make matters worse he has his needles tomorrow I feel like such a bad Mum.:(

krixly

28-01-2008, 06:52

Oh Moops! :hugs:

being parents is such hard work and there are so many accidents that can happen. It really is inevitable someday! Sorry to hear that your night was a bit of disaster!! Luca loves his mum and you are doing a great job. I have already had some 'i am such a bad mum moments'. I cut Nehemiah's nails soon after birth and yep, cut a bit of his skin! I cried so hard thinking that I was the worst mother in the world. My hubby has also had an accident where he picked Nehemiah up out of his cot and lift him above his head to smell his nappy and Nehemiah's head hit the fan!!!!:eek: He didn't hit it hard and didn't even cry, but it is those times when you just think, 'omg i can't believe i just did that!!'. You are doing great!

Has luca had any needles yet? I know I felt like a bad mum when I had to watch Nehemiah scream during his needles. I cried too when he got his 2 month needles. Not looking forward to 4 month ones..

Hope you can cheer up :)

kaybee

28-01-2008, 07:47

Sandralee - how did you go last night with Noah??

Shana - how did you go??

Moops - don't worry, we've done a few bad parent things. DH mostly! He got the side of her neck caught in the shoulder press stud of one of her jumpsuits, she screamed the place down the poor mite. Last night he dropped the tv remote on her head, not from a great height, she didn't cry, but it left a red mark. Sorry to hear your weekend didn't go so well.:hugs:

We went out to lunch with some friends yesterday and things went okay. She slept for most of it and if she started to grizzle, the dummy worked a treat.

She seems to have stopped the constant reguritating, thank god!

Her blood test went really well, she didn't even pause in sucking her dummy! no tears at all!! My brave girl! Although she did puke all over the bed and herself afterwards! She had all the staff there wrapped around her finger with heaps of smiles and cooing!!

She's getting really chatty now and also seems to be working out that her hands are connected to her and she can control them, has been reaching out for things and picking up fabric blocks in her fists!

sandralee

28-01-2008, 08:14

Moops - I feel for ya honey! I had a moment with Noah yesterday where I sat him up to burp him & then he bucked backwards straight into my thumb nail (with a hard acrylic overlay) - he cried so hard that I almost started cryng with him from guilt!
And when Andrew was a baby I dropped him into his cot while trying to put him down - he was asleep then he wriggled last minute!
We have all had our 'moments' when we feel guilty, so don't feel like a bad mummy, :hugs:times a billion for you!
You have been so selfless with Luca since bringing him home from hospital, it is a credit to you sweetie. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Fed Noah at 7pm-dreamfeed at 10pm-and he 'woke' at 12.30/2.40/4.30/6.30! He didn't seem starving at a couple of those feeds but couldn't find where I put his dummy in the nursery so I could give that a shot.. ended up giving him a feed each time. Have to try something different tonight if he wakes up so regularly again. Feel so tired during the night with regular wakeups sometimes, that I feel like doing what is the most peaceful solution, so I can get straight back to bed! Last night must have worn him out cos he fell into a deep sleep while I gave him his 7pm feed & I couldn't wake him for play time, so popped him in his cot.. and he is still asleep over an hour later. :smiliedance:xx

MrsScatterbrain

28-01-2008, 08:43

Hi everyone,

Moops - :hugs: I know its hard not to, but try not to feel bad! I had a couple of incidents with DS1, once when I propped him up on some pillows while I put washing on the airer and he rolled and hit his head on the wall, another where I was shutting the curtains and they clipped a small empty box which fell from the top shelf and hit him on the head ... :( My SIL even goes so far as to say that if you haven't been to the ED with an injured child, you haven't experienced parenthood!! (Perhaps a little overboard, but there's some truth there!) Her bubs fell off the bed when she was about 9 months with no serious consequences.

Sandralee - I was wondering which 'baby whisperer' you refer to? She sounds like a genius! Does she have a book? I read Sheyne Rowley's stuff, but I know there are a couple of baby whisperers ... (just to confuse us sleep deprived mothers more!!)

Shana - how did your night go?

We have a belated Aussie Day BBQ today, and I'm a bit stressed about keeping Thomas out of the sun ... any tips anyone? I can just picture myself hovering under a tree 20 meters away from everyone else!!! :laughing: There'll be another girl with a little baby there, so hopefully we'll work it out. ;)

Have a great long weekend everyone!

AliyahBlake

28-01-2008, 09:23

Moops - You poor thing! :hugs: Sounds like a shocker of a day! Don't worry too much about Luca - as the other girls have said, we all have our moments where we feel we are the worst parents in the world (especially when we hurt our littlies accidentally!), but babies are so tough and resiliant (much more than we give them credit for).

Blake seems to have recovered from his needles now - we had a much better day with him yesterday - I have my little boy back instead of the demon :devil: that took his place on Saturday! He's a bit grizzly and windy this morning, but I ate some coleslaw yesterday, so I know that's why :doh: He's beginning to sleep longer at night too, so I'm hoping that's signalling that he might do an all-nighter very soon! He's been going to bed at his normal time of 6:30ish and waking at around 3am then 6am.

Ok, he's just woken up again now, so I'll be back later!

perrywinkle

28-01-2008, 09:32

Shana - How did your night go?

Moops - I think we've all had moments like that. With DS I banged his head on the side of the car whilst getting him out. DH stills gives me s**t for it. They are pretty tough little things!!!

Sandralee - Ali use to do that wake every 2hrs but I gradually would stop feeding every second wake time iykwim! It can be so frustrating when you have nights like those. I think we have passed those kind of nights so hopefully it wont happen too often for you.

Mrs S - Have you got a think blanket that you can cover the pram with so the sun doesn't get him? Or you could take a little umbrella to lay it on it's side if he's on the graound. Have a nice BBQ too!!!

We had a great night last night. She slept from 7.30pm - 5am. Awake for about an 1hr and back to sleep untill 8am!!! :smiliedance: It's crazy some nights she'll wake once or twice for a feed and others she'll do what she did last night.

Lots of pottering around the house today for me. Going to spend the day with Mitchell because he starts Kindy tomorrow!!! :crying: But he'll love it!!

I'll come back a bit later!!!

shymmer

28-01-2008, 10:11

morning.

Sandralee - our babies are definately in cahoots . .

Xav hasn't had more than about 30 mins sleep at a time since she woke up yesterday at 6.15pm!!!!!!

I was going to give dh the night shift since I thought she'd just have 1.5 - 2hrly sleeps . . . but nothing so luxurious! And besides that she won't even settle on dh, but 5 seconds in my arm and she's ok.
So I did night shift, but she still won't stay asleep for long . .so I'm still on duty! I've resorted to giving boob every 2hrs trying to help her settle and the ol' 'put her in bed with me with boob on tap' is starting to look real appealing atm. Even though our bedroom is terribly hot during the day (no air con in there).

She is 10 weeks today. Do they have another growth spurt now? Also I have a dry, almost sore throat for last couple days- maybe she has it too?
She has conked out on me now (just gave her boob) . . . wonder how long this one will last???

Oh . . send this little girl sleep vibes people . . puh-lease . . . .

shymmer

28-01-2008, 10:50

...... lasted 5 mins. :rolleyes:

Moops, what a shame your weekend was so rotten. But don't beat yourself up. These things do happen.

Now I just have to say . . I am about ready to throw all the dummies in the bin! I have three sorts. Xav will have NONE of them. I was consistantly giving her the dummy for up to 20 minutes a go last night and she woudln't have a bar of it. I'm not sure whether to bother trying anymore. She would't even suck it once.

Ok, she's back on the boob . . . story of my life . . .

Rainbowbrite

28-01-2008, 11:32

We've had so many bad mum moments here with MJ & now Ani :(

Shana, we're the same. Ani will NOT take a dummy but wants to suck & gets so frustrated with my boob as he sucks & milk comes out :laughing: I just give up. He's also refusing to sleep in the cot of a day again. ATM he is sound asleep in my arms :rolleyes: but I can guarantee if I put him in the cot, he'll scream the house down till I pick him up again........

sandralee

28-01-2008, 12:56

Sending you lots of sleep vibes Shana!!! Just sent myself some too lol!! Steve is home all week and can't really 'help' much either - Noah is obviously more used to me, & can only spend a short period of time with Steve before getting upset.. & he also doesn't seem to like bottles or Steve feeding him, he gets really upset! (So I am feeling so 'trapped' right now, with no light at the end of the tunnel.. it feels likeit is going to be like this forever some days, and the sleep deprivation doesn't help either.)
We have had a stressful day here too - Steve got Noah out of his cot after his morning sleep (1hr) and since then Noah has been acting differently.. he will be okay one minute, then start screaming like he is in pain - even when he is with me! THen he had another 1hr sleep (I put him in his swing to comfort him) and woke up the same. I have to keep distracting him, then he has a pain scream, then maybe a smile....etc I am presuming it is tummy related but who knows.. the unknown makes it more frustrating! Gave him some panadol and let him fall asleep on my boob,the transferred him to his swing - he has been asleep since 12.
I don't know, sometimes I just feel so 'chained' to our baby, and when I can't pass him over to Steve for long it makes me feel like I may never have a 'break' from him ever again. I love being his mum and spending so much time with him, but sometimes just need a bit of time to myself. GOd even my dreams are being taken over by baby stuff! Over the last two nights I have either dreamt about nappy rash creams or having milk let-downs into a cup LOL!! What the?! Guess time will work it's usual magic, and hopefully soon Noah will allow Steve to comfort him when he is upset or tired - and also take a bottle again! (we have had success a couple of times, so it IS possible:confused:)
Don't mind my spak-attack, every now and then the hormones and lack of sleep get to me a bit. Steve & Andy are outside in the sunlight weeding and I am so jealous!! Funny thing is, that Steve and I would both love to trade places BUT CAN"T.. I love the outdoors and he loves the aircon. Feel so pasty and white at the moment, that I would love to get some colour and some vitaminD. :ecomcity:
Dear God....um, please show me even the smallest speck of light at the end of the tunnel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
XXXXXXXX AMEN TO THAT LOL! XXXXXX

MrsScatterbrain

28-01-2008, 13:37

Ani will NOT take a dummy but wants to suck & gets so frustrated with my boob as he sucks & milk comes out :laughing:

Thomas does this too, but thankfully will take a dummy! :laughing: He comes off the boob screaming because this milk just won't stop when he wants to suck! Poor little mite, after his burp he usually forgets I took his boob from him!

Shana - :hugs: I wonder if it is worth calling your Maternal & Child nurse and she can give you an idea of what sort of options you have in regards to helping Xav to sleep. Perhaps there is someone that could even come into your house for a night to see what's happening.

Sandralee - I hope whatever is bothering Noah passes. :fingerscrossed:

Rainbowbrite - THANKYOU! Your ideas have given me an idea - we have one of those beach tent thingies that are sort of like a pod that will shade Thomas but still give air flow. You are a genius!! Sorted! We're off as soon as DS1 wakes up! Will grab it now!

Thomas has been a bit ratty the past few days as he doesn't show his tired signs until he's absolutely exhausted anymore. :no: When I go to settle him, he's completely beyond it - I think I'm going to have to go by the clock from now on. Not great, but at least the little guy will settle well (hopefully!) :fingerscrossed:

perrywinkle

28-01-2008, 15:05

Now I just have to say . . I am about ready to throw all the dummies in the bin! I have three sorts. Xav will have NONE of them. I was consistantly giving her the dummy for up to 20 minutes a go last night and she woudln't have a bar of it. I'm not sure whether to bother trying anymore. She would't even suck it once.

Ok, she's back on the boob . . . story of my life . . .

Ali doesn't even open her mouth for a dummy. We didn't have one with DS so we're not going to bother any more!!

Sandralee - I just leave DH with Ali and go out to the shops for a little while then he has to settle her. He's now worked out what makes her happy by trying different things and I have left her with him quite often for a couple of hours. As long as she's been fed the men shouldn't have a problem. Maybe if you leave the house go for a walk or something hubby might feel a bit more relaxed with him. I was always watching him which pi**ed him off made him tense and bubs can feel it. You might just have to put your foot down. Can he go and lye on a blanket outside with your DH maybe? It might be a bit hot though if you have the air con on inside LOL!!!

Roxy76

28-01-2008, 19:07

sniper wolf

28-01-2008, 19:35

wow! great effects and cute baby!:yelclap:x 2

AliyahBlake

28-01-2008, 20:27

Well, Cranky Blake returned today - the grizzly morning turned into a whole grizzly, cranky, non-sleeping day! He was full of farts and diarrhoea all day and had stomach pains that made him squeal this heart wrenching high pitched sound which was just awful to hear :( This has to be the worst day of his short little life so far, poor baby. Thankfully though, he's been asleep and peaceful since about 7pm, so hopefully he'll get through the night with no dramas. I think it may have been a combo of the coleslaw I ate yesterday (which I know disagrees with him, so I don't know why I even went there :thumbsdown: ) and side effects from the vaccines he had on Friday. He had a couple of nice baths this afternoon which helped calm him like you wouldn't believe, but as soon as he was out he just cried again. :fingerscrossed: for a better day tomorrow. I'm just stuffed so I think I might be in bed very shortly! Night everyone :wave:

Moops

28-01-2008, 20:32

Wow Roxy76 they are fantastic, how did u do them? All ours look really amateurish, I really want some nice ones before he gets too old!

Thank you soooo much for all your replies ladies! I feel so much better knowing we have all done it! I feel really bad today because he has to have his needles, I was dreading it anyway but after what happened on Saturday night I feel even worse. Plus he is so happy today and laughing heaps, poor bubba! Did anyone give their bubs baby panadol before their injections or just after??

We had a record night last night, Luca slept for 9 hours!! The only downpoint was that he was awake from 6am, oh well I'm not complaining!

mummy2sophie

28-01-2008, 21:11

Hi Girls!

So sorry it's been so long. Just the move and everything, and we only got internet a few days ago...bloody internet company :banghead:

I'm sorry to hear that many of you are having a bad time right now. Not sleeping etc. :hugs: to you. It WILL improve...I wish I could offer something better for the end of the tunnel, I can't say when or how much longer but it will improve. But here's some more :hugs: in the meantime.

SOme of you might be reaching the 12 week stage. This is a "wonder week"

http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=2312

and involves a lot of unsettled behaviour. Nadia was unsettled for a good few days but is generally better now she's nearly 13 weeks. The theory on wonder weeks is that during this time the baby is learning something new and it's freaking them out a bit (well who wouldn't really!). But then once they have practised their new skill or gotten used to something they feel better and behave better too. Nadia's new skill is that she has found her hands and they are constantly in her mouth. Before her wonder week she was still hitting herself and didn't have much control. Now she is hitting her toys on her frame thing and looking a bit shocked every time she hits it. :bee:

Anyway, things are pretty good here. No more dramas...brilliant.

RB: I'm stressing because Nadia LOVES her dummy. I'm worried she'll get addicted to it and need it every time she wants to go to sleep. :laughing: Also she refuses to sleep in the pram. I'd finally convinced the man to get a tandem stroller (a used one) and the bloody baby won't sleep in it! :devil:

shymmer

28-01-2008, 21:55

Wow Roxy - beautiful shots. The lighting looks lovely- and what a charmer you've got there!

Moops I gave Xavia panadol later in the evening after her injections when she was quite unsettled.

Gave her some more panadol this arvo in case she was in pain and that's why she couldn't stay asleep. Never know if maybe her teeth are moving up and down? (She is dribbling a lot lately). Sore throat? We did finally get some shut eye after that from 2pm to 7pm (I woke her) with a couple feeds in there but straight back to sleep. She's back asleep now . . . pretty sure she'll be up and down all night though.

And to top my day off, Dh hurt his back this arfternoon, so can't move much now. We are hoping it's just muscular. Thankfully Xav has been fairly happy to just play this evening so I could make dinner, help Dh, feed dogs. I think she was half asleep the whole time!

Perrywinkle - how do you sooth Ali without a dummy? I've been letting Xav have boob a great deal today. A) to try to get her to sleep and B) her nappies aren't as wet as they used to be, so want to make sure she's not getting dehydrated.

Hope Blake feels better soon Nicole. Poor bub.

Jeez Moops . . you went from one extreme to the other with sleeping routines! 9 hrs? I'd be happy with a 6am wake up too!!

Sandralee and Perrywinkle - I don't like taking Xavia off dh when he's trying to settle her - to let him learn/try. But when I tell him what works he only does it for maybe 10 - 20 seconds and then stops! I tell him to rock, pat firmly and say SHHHH. But it's like he can only do one at a time! So she just continues to cry. Which means I have to give boob more b/c she gets thirsty and hungry from crying.
I know I should just let him work it out, but I come into the room and he's just standing there, patting. Or Rocking. And kind of ignoring the crying. I think he's already 'tuning her cries out'.
The other night we were watching TV and Xav started crying in the portacot right next to us. I was still eating my dinner and after a minute put it down to get her. Dh - sitting right next to me, only then realises she was crying! He seriously had 'tuned her out'. :rolleyes:

Roxy76

28-01-2008, 22:05

Wow Roxy76 they are fantastic, how did u do them? All ours look really amateurish, I really want some nice ones before he gets too old!

I used a program to touch up the photo's with different effects. If you want to email me some pics I can see what i can do for u and then email them back to you :thumbsup: I loves how they turn out, it is nice to have pics like that for special memories! :flowerz:

Kizmet

28-01-2008, 23:21

hey everyone just popping in to say hi. Things have been really busy since Grandma got really unwell a week and a half ago and consequently passed on thursday night. I am now organising the order of service booklets, talking with the celebrant to organise the service, helping clean out grandma's house, keeping nana occupied during the week days so she doesnt think about her mother passing, organising the service music and have to go to the crematorium next weekend to test run the cds and the powerpoint presentation which i forgot to mention john and i are doing.

*insert passing out with exhaustion emoticon here*

I havent been sleeping well because im having nightmares about seeing my grandma in so much pain at hospital. im managing to drift off at about 2-3 at the moment:(

Having to spend so much time away from the kids has made them really unsettled. I also think Robbie is having a wonder week (discovered his hands two weeks ago but seems to be more alert to everything atm) so is feeding more and is more unsettled. He craves routine and i cant wait to get him back into one.

Abby is great as always. Keeps asking about go-go (my grandma) though which is a bit heartbreaking but i have explained to her that go go is an angel in heaven etc but she isnt 2 yet so isnt really getting it. time will heal everything.

Had a night the other night where robbie slept through from about 9-6 and john and i both woke freaking out. hasnt happened since though.:laughing:

will try to be around more lovely ladies. have started exercising as of tonight as im so depressed about my post baby body and also have been eating my emotions in a big way! :fingerscrossed: i stick to it

will post more pics of robbie soon take care all :hugs:

Roxy76

28-01-2008, 23:25

:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs: to u Kiz! Thinking of u xox

Kizmet

28-01-2008, 23:29

thanks hun :hugs: im actually doing ok. i think seeing her in so much pain made it easier to deal with as now i know she isnt in that pain any more . as awful as it sounds it is kind of a relief feeling iykwim.

just uploading some pics of rob now

Kizmet

28-01-2008, 23:34

Abby & Robbie in his bumbo

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Where baby Robbie goes Abby's baby Robbie has to go too

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Abby loves playing with baby Robbie's toys

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Beautiful pic of the very beginning and the very end of life r.i.p grandma

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF0901.jpg

Look at my big boy sitting up on his own

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF0882.jpg

Why am I wearing this stupid hat mum?

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF0827.jpg

Kizmet

28-01-2008, 23:35

Cheeky smiles
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF1038.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF1037.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF1126.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF1118.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF1101.jpg

Accidental photo turned out to be quite beautiful

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o187/jate1985/DSCF1095.jpg

Roxy76

29-01-2008, 00:24

he is absolutely GORGEOUS! love his smiles!!

just realised him and Maddison were born on same day! :D

Love that last pic...so beautiful!

Roxy76

29-01-2008, 00:25

Got more in facebook album :)

AliyahBlake

29-01-2008, 06:25

Blake seems to be ok this morning after a good night's sleep. He's now sitting here with me and is smiling at his sister.....cute!

:hugs: to you, Kizmet, for the awful time you've had recently. I love your pics - you have 2 gorgeous kids!

As for the dummy issue - Blake doesn't use one. Aliyah wouldn't use a dummy as a baby either. Both of them reacted the same way when we tried putting one in their mouths - just got really cranky and kept spitting the dummy out. To soothe him it's just cuddles and bum patting, or he likes head tickles, too!

Moops

29-01-2008, 06:30

Thanks Roxy I'll dig some up! Are you able to change colour ones into black and white?

Well Luca had his injections today, I got DH to go in with him. I'm such a wuss I cried the whole time he was in there! He is such a brave little boy though, he cried but then was fine afterwards. He's gotten lots of cuddles and attention today and seemed ok but got grizzly at about 7pm so I gave him some baby panadol and he went straight off. Fingers crossed he sleeps for another 9 hours tonight! He now weighs 6.05 kilos and is 61cm long compared to his birth weight of 4.1 kilos and 55cms long, he is a big boy!

Shana I have no idea what has changed because he used to be so unsettled, it must be the changes we made after the sleep consultant came over. I just hope he doesn't revert back to his old ways!

I have finally posted my birth story if u guys are bored and want a read!http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?p=2308299#post2308299

I will be back later for personals!

Roxy76

29-01-2008, 07:59

Thanks Roxy I'll dig some up! Are you able to change colour ones into black and white?

yep definitely!! :yes: can do so many different things! you can send thru as many as u like! :thumbsup:

Lozie

29-01-2008, 08:09

Hi guys just popping in to say hi:wave:

:hugs: kiz:hugs:

Havnt been posting but reading when ever i get a chance, which is hardly ever, Dh was "sick" the last week so he was home and he was starting to get on my nerves...Balin is fantastic would post a pic but Jacy decided to be a photographer and broke my camera wasn't a cheap one either.. I suppose thats what you get when children are monkey like climbing on everything... Bubba has started on watery farax before bed so we can sleep better and I tells ya works a charm.. he has slept so well the last few days, and much happier bubba too, I know it's not recommended but I done the same with the boys and they are fine so didnt hurt them. He laughs, giggles now and has started cooing and gaaing soo cute, but he is getting too big already holding he head perfectly at 8 weeks and trying to stand when someone is holding him...He getting to big too quick i was enjoying he little veggie stage:D. It's Jacys B'day on saturday he's the big 3 woohoo.. I'm thinking I might cry i cant believe he's 3, well i can but cant kwim? and Caleb is 2 on the 23rd my bubba boys are getting too big as well,:crying::p.
Hope everyone is well sorry for lack of personals so little time i've always got. Take care!

Rainbowbrite

29-01-2008, 08:18

Hey Lozie, long time no see :hugs:

Kate :hugs: You know where i am hun. Love the pics!! MJ gets on the mat with Ani too.......its the same mat lol

Love the pics Roxy!! So adorable!!

Had a pretty yucky night here, i've been so hot all night & Ani was very noisy. Woke at 3am then 5 & 6.30. BUT he did a huge poo around 7 so think that was keeping him up.

Thought i'd post some pics I took last night. Nothing great but here they are

MJ & Ani after a bath (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/vert-01/Baby%20Anakin/100_2293.jpg)

Smiley pants (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/vert-01/Baby%20Anakin/100_2287.jpg)

Serious face (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/vert-01/Baby%20Anakin/100_2290.jpg)

MJ (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/vert-01/Latest%20MJ%20pics/100_2292.jpg)

perrywinkle

29-01-2008, 08:25

Hey girls

I took some pics of my gorgeous girl while we were away camping and have played around with them and they look so good! Kinda like homemade professional pics LOL

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/220108_maddison_stroller5.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/220108_maddison_stroller4.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/220108_maddison_stroller2.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/220108_maddison_stroller3.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s276/Roxylotus/220108_maddison_stroller6.jpg

I love them!!

Great pics!!!! She is sooo cute and those little outfits are georgous too!! I love shopping for Ali she is definately going to be girly!!

Perrywinkle - how do you sooth Ali without a dummy? I've been letting Xav have boob a great deal today. A) to try to get her to sleep and B) her nappies aren't as wet as they used to be, so want to make sure she's not getting dehydrated.

Sandralee and Perrywinkle - I don't like taking Xavia off dh when he's trying to settle her - to let him learn/try. But when I tell him what works he only does it for maybe 10 - 20 seconds and then stops! I tell him to rock, pat firmly and say SHHHH. But it's like he can only do one at a time! So she just continues to cry. Which means I have to give boob more b/c she gets thirsty and hungry from crying.
I know I should just let him work it out, but I come into the room and he's just standing there, patting. Or Rocking. And kind of ignoring the crying. I think he's already 'tuning her cries out'.
The other night we were watching TV and Xav started crying in the portacot right next to us. I was still eating my dinner and after a minute put it down to get her. Dh - sitting right next to me, only then realises she was crying! He seriously had 'tuned her out'. :rolleyes:

I just settle her by sining to her she likes it when I hum too! And just patting her on the butt and rocking. She seems to settle quite easy too :fingerscrossed: that will last. She has been a lot easier than DS which helps!!

Just put your foot down with your DH. As for the blocking out that happens in this house too especially in front of the TV! DH I think is deaf but he works around loud machinery so that doesn't help!

We had another fantastic night last night. Went down around 9pm ALL BY HERSELF!!!! She very rarely goes down by herself awake at night time. During the day is great but night she likes the cuddles. Took 1/2 hr of her talking to her self and little cries here and there but I made sure I didn't go in at every little cry and she put her self to sleep. She slept right through till 7am!!!!!!! :yelclap: So that's 2 nights in a row. And I didn't even wake up during the night - must of been tired!!!

It's DS first day of Kindy today and he's already saying he doesn't want to go. It's going to be interesting that's for sure. I think he thinks he'll miss out on something with Ali and I but all I'll be doing is hose work whilst he's at Kindy LOL!!! We'll see how we go!

BIG HUGS TO YOU KATE!!!

sandralee

29-01-2008, 08:31

:hugs:Kiz - big hugs for you & angel hugs for your grandma! Your kids are so cute - wow I didn't think babies sat up that early!! Also didn't know we could post pics like that, it is less hassle than going through the facebook option.. that's why I don't update my pics very often lol! Are we allowed to? xx
Moops - how long did it take to change Luca into such good habits? Going to try a 2nd dreamfeed for Noah, an hour before his habitual 2.30am wakeup where he isn't really on the boob for longer than 2mins or so.. so he isn't waking up for a feed.
AliyahBlake - Noah had grizzles on the same day lol. My Dh also must 'tune out' (either that or never really tune IN) to Noah's cries lol - Noah can be crying on his chest and I walk in to find him just sitting still holding a squirming screaming baby! He is trying so hard, but I just think men aren't as maternal - and also, they are probably very used to us being the ones to respond first to our babies crying.
I haven't had a really big appetite over the weeks & I am wondering if Noah wants to feed regularly through the night to try and get some more calories - it would make sense I guess. Will have to start eating more, ew, eating when you are not hungry feels wrong lol! I am lucky to eat 2 pieces of toast until mid arvo, then maybe a muesli bar somewhere between then and dinner. (or a piece of fruit, or a handful of nuts) That is an average day for me at the moment - kinda scarey seeing it written down, but I don't even think about food during the day really. Going to make up a batch of vege soup in the pressure cooker so I can have some each day.
:kiss:xx

Roxy76

29-01-2008, 08:39

Maddison had an awesome night! went to sleep at 8:30pm, then cause i was up anyway, gave her a dream feed about 1:30am when she got her hands out of her wrap. Wrapped her back up and she slept till 8:15am! that's like nearly 12 hours! Fed her at 9ish, and she is now ready to go back to sleep! blessed i tell ya!! :flowerz:

She is discovering hands so lots of fist sucking and she puts her hand in middle of chest during every feed or sleep rocking and often grab my top! soooo cute!! :bee:

Might go for a walk today! need to go to the post office, so perfect reason to get out there! Going to be 31 degrees today, so have to go late arvo i think!

Also I have lost 3kg this month, so back on my way down which I am happy about!! :thumbsup:

AliyahBlake

29-01-2008, 09:59

Well seeing everyone's posting pics, I thought I'd better follow suit! These ones were taken on my sister's camera on the weekend just gone. We managed to catch Blake in some of his happier moments!

Blake laughing at Daddy
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/nicmillard/s554477660_309947_7411.jpg

At the Park
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/nicmillard/s554477660_309960_4372.jpg

Blake with his Aunty Shell
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/nicmillard/s554477660_309963_5732.jpg

Holding a Rattle
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/nicmillard/s554477660_309953_76.jpg

Being Adorable!
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/nicmillard/s554477660_309948_7789.jpg

I apologize that they are only small but that's how my sis emailed them to me :D

Kizmet

29-01-2008, 10:09

sandralee-i dont know if we're allowed but i did :laughing: Robbie can sit up for about 5-10 seconds on his own but that photo was 1 of 10 taken where John would let go of him and i'd snap the photo straight away :laughing:

RB-Abby is STILL going on about MJ! I think after life settles down another visit is in order! I will come to you this time though!

Well better go robbie has had less than half an hours sleep so of course he is wide awake

sandralee

29-01-2008, 12:10

Everyone's baby pics are so adorable!!!!!!
Steve and Andy are going out to do some shopping - I am SO JEALOUS lol!! Oh to have that luxury right now.. Asked them to buy some of those cheap dummies from coles to see if Noah takes to them - gosh we have every other brand, and haven't had a long run of success. He took the pigeon one the other day, but that seemed to be a one-off.
I am having troubles with getting let-downs while expressing - my boobs feel so full though - I think my body knows that it is an artificial process lol!! Get so much mik if I do it at the same time I feed Noah, but he gets agitated with a machine pumping away above his legs. With the avent one too, you have to lean forward a bit, so it is a challenge to have both going at once. Took me 30mins to get only about 30-40mls (without a letdown) and I get so much more if I can have a letdown. Sometimes I try looking at pics of Noah on my laptop to try and have one - kind of like a spankbank lol!
I have to wake my little man as he has been asleep for 2hrs - his second sleep for the day.. then peg out some washing... oh the joys of mummyhood/wifeyhood! :Dxx

Kizmet

29-01-2008, 12:16

Sometimes I try looking at pics of Noah on my laptop to try and have one - kind of like a spankbank lol!

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing: :laughing:

Nan

29-01-2008, 14:44

Howdy girls! Gee, you lot can write a lot in a couple of days!!! haha
sandra - Very cool that you've met Warnie......not so cool that he is a bit of a ladies man. With the waking a bit before his feed.....I've read this is why routines can be good. Their little brains soon 'tell them' when to be hungry, if that makes sense. So, if you keep feeding at regular intervals, his brain will learn to get hungry at those times. (that's the theory anyway! :rolleyes:) I have noticed it with Caleb a lot, too.

And while it is pretty frustrating when I'd really just like her to go to sleep by herself and my 'accidental parenting' is no doubt off the scales . . . I wouldn't trade all those lovely cuddles and sleeps on me Xavia has had for the world. They are only little for a short time.
Ikwym! I had a little cry when I was cuddling Caleb yesterday coz I realised he is not my little newborn anymore & before I know it he won't be my baby either. :( I was also going to say (and I hope you don't take this the wrong way.....I'm just trying to help you out, if I can :) ) you may want to try and ween Xav off boob to settle as the milk she is getting when she feeds for such a short time has no nutritional value. Much earlier than 2-2.5 hours and smallish feeds mean that babies only get the foremilk and no hindmilk, which has the nutrients they need. Its hard when it gives instant results, but harder down the track. Longer, more spaced apart feeds are better. I know what you're thinking.......I don't have your baby 24/7......and you're right! Easier said than done.

Shana - it's hard getting cuddle time in with the DH! Only problem is, it gets harder with 2 kids!
:iagree: STILL no post baby sex for us. Not that either of us don't want to. We're just so tired. More than either of us were with just Eden. The sad part is I felt heaps more ready to after having Caleb than with Eden! Gggrrrrrr! :mad:

Lots of hugs to you, Kizmet. :hugs: So sorry to hear of your grandma's passing.

(((Hugs))) to you too, Moops. Don't worry about the bath incident. I'm sure things like that happen to remind us that we ARE fallible and there's no way we will ever be perfect parents. We can't always be there every second of every day. You're doing a great job.

Gorgeous pics everyone. I'll say it again. November bubs are the BEST looking!!!

Lozie - Good to hear from you. Snap! Eden dropped my camera and broke it, too. Now, I'm trying to findanother cheap, but good one ASAP as Shane's is this huge SLR with a massive lens. Really good for sticking in your purse.....not!

Roxy - Well done on the weight loss. You go girl!!! I still have about 6 kilos to lose.

Well, Caleb had his pead. appointment today and all is well with his heart. The doc said that some babies have small murmurs in utero and also for a couple of months after birth, but they soon go away. He thinks their is nothing to worry about and no further action to take.....thank God! Now for his willy appointment next week. We'll see how that goes. Will keep you updated.

Thank you to whoever nominated me for the most helpful bubhubber award. (if anyone on this thread.....I'm on a few!!) Very sweet.

shymmer

29-01-2008, 16:12

Yes Nan - I know what you are talking about. I had stopped giving bb to comfort her, she was just more unsettled last couple days and I am such a sap. I'm already cutting it back again. I'm also concentrating on her having full feeds. She is a bit of a snacker, this one.

Moops

29-01-2008, 18:29

Thank you to whoever nominated me for the most helpful bubhubber award. (if anyone on this thread.....I'm on a few!!) Very sweet.

:thumbsup: You always take the effort to reply to everyones posts and offer great advice in a supportive way, hope u win!

Well we had another great night last night Luca was cranky after his needles at about 7pm so I gave him some baby panadol and he went straight to sleep until 2am. I fed him and he was wide awake and took an hour to get him back to sleep, I started to panic that he was up for good! Then the little angel put himself to sleep until 7.30!

Sandralee- As soon as the sleep consultant left and we started employing the tips he started sleeping better straight away. I'm not sure if it was the changes we made or he would have gotten better anyway though. We just make sure we follow the routine everynight without fail. At first when we put him to bed at 7ish he was sleeping for about an hour then waking up and wouldnt go back to sleep until his 10pm bottle, this lasted a few weeks now he goes off at 7-7.30. Do u cluster feed Noah? I think this is the main thing that has helped us.

Anyway Luca is cranky so I'd better go, thanks heaps for everyone's replies on my birth story!

krixly

30-01-2008, 09:10

Hi again girls! Wow you guys post so many messages I can't keep up!! Still trying to figure out who is who etc coz have only been here a few days!!! :laughing: Spose I will catch up eventually.

Nehemiah is going great. Has started sleeping through from 7.30pm til 4.30am this week (past 4 nights) so I am hoping that continues, and possibly extends a little to maybe 5.30-6.00pm :yes: He has been abnormally tired during the day though and getting tired within an hour, hour and a half at a stretch. Just seems to sleep for an hour every second hour during the day!!! It usually takes me a good 15 mins to settle him each time though which is a pain. I think maybe he is in a 'wonder week'. He has been clingy with me, and DH can't seem to settle him. Just me!:( I am sure this is just a phase though. Will have to change coz I am probably going back to work 1 day a week starting next Wednesday! Poor grandmas!!!

He has been asleep now for almost an hour. Hopefully he sleeps a bit longer so he can have some more awake time. It is so hard to get out of the house at the moment. I need to go to the shops to get some groceries!!!!! :fingerscrossed:

perrywinkle

30-01-2008, 09:53

Well we had another great night. She slept through again 7.15-6.15am!! That's three nights in a row. I can't believe it!! Mitchell was never like this. She's a lot easier than Mitchell.

I have been trying really hard to loose some post baby weight so I have been walking DS to kindy which is about 7-10mins away and back. Probably not enough to loose some weight but I feel much better for it. Once we get into a nice little routine I'll go for a bigger walk. But it's definatly taking longer to loose this time round!

Going to have a busy couple of months because we are doing our whole back yard up. The bobcat will be coming in over the next week to remove heaps of yard and also the spa. Can't wait to have a nice back yard. The dog has completly ruined the backyard so hopefully she'll be a good doggy with our new backyard!!!

Anyway have a good day!!!

sandralee

30-01-2008, 13:07

Yes Moops - I cluster feed from around 5 or 6pm.. then he will normally sleep to between 12.30-1.30 after that. (with a dreamfeed between 10-11pm.) Last night however, he went to bed at 8pm, needed to be resettled at 8.30... he beat me and woke up at exactly the same time I was planning to dreamfeed (11pm)... then every 30-60mins until 6.30am when I got out of bed to crawl to the coffee machine! He was groaning & grunting since the early hours, but didn't f@rt til the sun came up. Now the little man is sound asleep and will probably want to sleep all day!!!!!
4hrs later: I have decided to start the weaning process - quite sad, but I have given it my best shot for almost 3mths. Noah barely feeds longer than 5mins or so, and it doesn't make too much difference if I leave it for a few hours between feeds. He constantly squirms around while feeding and I am not sure why. Hasn't had more than 2-3 sucks at a time since last night. Nipples are sore..baby is frustrated..and I am frustrated. I will miss BF so much in some ways, and in other ways I will have peace of mind - which is better for both parties. Formula will in some ways be so much better as he rarely gets to the hind milk, only the watery/sugary top milk. IPlus my boobs are getting sore and full cos they are rarely emptied. If only he would take a bottle though LOL!!!!! My sister has gone out to buy every kind of bottle and teat that Idon't have, plus a sippy cup - to see if something 'works' with him. Meanwhile my nipples feel like they have been scraped on a cheese grater!
Has anyone ever 'suddenly' weaned their baby rather than gradually with success? Or were your babies traumatised a bit? Also, do babies look at snacking with bottles like they do on the boob - has this happened to anyone?
Thanks in advance guys,
my decision feels right even though it is sad in a lot of ways - but whatever works, right? Ok I am off to do some more research - might even book a midwife to do a home visit to help me with weaning. I have a middies/baby sonsultant business card who specialises in all things babies - from BF, to sleep/settling/, colic/reflux.. etc They offer home services as well, which suits me even better & they cover all areas from brisbane to the gold coast YAY. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
p.s. I don't understand where I can vote for you Nan - you definitely help people so much on these threads! Let me know where I can vote girls XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:kiss:

AliyahBlake

30-01-2008, 13:40

Has anyone ever 'suddenly' weaned their baby rather than gradually with success? Or were your babies traumatised a bit? Also, do babies look at snacking with bottles like they do on the boob - has this happened to anyone?

What a shame, Sands....but I guess BF isn't for every baby. He's probably not feeding properly because you've both entered a vicious circle where you're exhausted. He's not feeding because he's overtired, you're overtired and stressed which is more than likely affecting your milk supply.....and so on. At least an advantage of FF is that you can get a rest occassionally while someone else feeds Noah!

When I weaned Aliyah off BF I did it gradually. She took to it fine but my boobs were agony for a couple of weeks (but looked great.....like I'd had a boob job :laughing: ) Even with gradually weaning her (dropped one feed every 3 days) it hurt like hell, so I can only imagine how bad it would be going cold turkey! Just be prepared for that side of it. She never snacked on a bottle, but was a good feeder all along anyway. I only weaned her as I was going back to work and couldn't express enough with the pump.

Oh, and to vote, just send a PM to one of the mods (I messaged Razzle with mine) :thumbsup:

AliyahBlake

30-01-2008, 14:00

Oh, and a heads up November mums...we have some of our own up for the awards this year - Rainbowbrite, Goose, Moops, Sandralee, and Nan. So get voting, girls!!!!

krixly

30-01-2008, 14:05

sandralee - when i weaned (started at about 6 weeks), i was expressing milk for feeds anyway. i just expessed one less feed every few days until i just stopped. i did it over about 3 weeks and had no pain really. only some mornings, just had to express milk, but just did about 60mls or something so it wasn't fully emptying. worked well for me, but i had to FF due to Nehemiah's terrible trouble with reflux and pain with breastfeeding.

shymmer

30-01-2008, 14:08

Holy cow Sands .. . . . I could have written your post!!! Xav is soooo similar! What is it with these two??

Xav was only drinking for about 5mins too. I thought she was just a really efficient drinker but then it dawned on me that she wasn't getting hind milk which was why she wanted boob every two hours. I have to coax and coax her to drink for at least 15minutes. I now usually get about 10minutes but it takes work. And like this morning, she was overtired and I really wanted her to get some hind milk to have a good sleep . . but keeping her on there sucking properly was such a job. And not real successful. I am also super careful she attaches properly or I pay for it with sore nipples too.
Plus she wont take a bottle either . . . hates all the available teats known to baby (I have tried them all too). I am dreading weaning her and only intended to BF for the first three months - which is fast approaching.

Re: snacking on bottle. My niece sometimes would not take a full bottle. Only drink half of it. So I guess they can snack on that aswell? At least you'd know the half they got wasn't just sugar milk though.
Won't be so bad once you can introduce solids I spose. As long as they are getting enough fluid, you can boost their callories with other food.

MrsScatterbrain

30-01-2008, 14:48

Oh, and a heads up November mums...we have some of our own up for the awards this year - Rainbowbrite, Goose, Moops, Sandralee, and Nan. So get voting, girls!!!!

Oooh, that's fantastic! I'll have to look at the full details (assuming they're around somewhere!!;))

Moops - I just read your birth story! I had a giggle when you said you were hiding your contractions so you wouldn't have to push. I did exactly the same thing - "nope, that's not a contraction, just ... er ... wind or something!!" :D I've been meaning to write my birth story for ages, you've motivated me!! :yes:

Shana and Nan - they're grown so much already, haven't they? I was prewashing some of Thomas' nappies I'd bought before he was born, and had a little panic! Size medium already!! His newborn nappies have long since been put away for friend's babies! :crying:

sandralee - I'm afraid I'm not much help with the weaning - I weaned ridiculously slowly - one feed a month!!

perriwinkle - you lucky lady!!

I'm trying to budge the bulge lately, too. At the moment, I'm just cutting out the sweet stuff (except for a little ice cream now and then to motivate me!!) and the boys take care of the exercise part as I push them to the park and back in the morning, then another walk in the arvo as well. (I added it up, the Phil and Teds with both boys weighs 30kg!!!) I really can't wait to bid my spare tyre goodbye!!!

MrsScatterbrain

30-01-2008, 14:53

Nope, I'm completely hopeless! I can't find them! Can anyone tell me where the nominations are? :o Will get voting!

krixly

30-01-2008, 14:54

In relation to all the posts about 'battle of the baby buldge', I have started the Tony Ferguson Program almost 2 weeks ago now. One of the good things about not BF!! HAve already lost 5kg which is really exciting. Heaps to go though! :( HAve also been trying to exercise and pushing the pram is usually what it comes down to. Some days it is only a short walk though as Nehemiah decides that he doesn't feel like going for a walk anymore and just screams. I end up carrying him and pushing the pram home with the other hand! :rolleyes:

AliyahBlake

30-01-2008, 15:32

Can anyone tell me where the nominations are? :o Will get voting!
Sorry, I should have put the link in! It's in the Games and Fun Stuff section, but here's the link to make it quicker........ http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=150781

shymmer

30-01-2008, 15:42

I have 4kg to lose and a heck of a lot of situps to do!!

Thanks for the link Nicole . . I didn't know where to look either.

Man, I have become such a hermit. I just did a mad dash to woolies while Xav was alseep (dh watching her) and it felt weird to drive the car! last time I drove anywhere . . er last time I left the house even, was fortnight ago!

What has happened to my life?

perrywinkle

30-01-2008, 16:20

Thanks for the link Nicole will have to getting voting now!!!

westerner

30-01-2008, 16:24

Oh, and a heads up November mums...we have some of our own up for the awards this year - Rainbowbrite, Goose, Moops, Sandralee, and Nan. So get voting, girls!!!!

Yay vote for goose.. :laughing:

Going to catch up on all these pages.. goodness we :ecomcity: :ecomcity: :ecomcity:

kaybee

30-01-2008, 16:38

Hey Goose :wave:, I was just thinking that we haven't seen you for a while!

I justed voted for all the November Mummies.

Shana - I was looking at my belly this morning and thinking that I need to start doing sit-ups!

Moops - read you birth story! It's great:thumbsup:. I will have to try and remember all of mine so I can post. It's all a bit of a blur of pain.

Sandralee - :hugs: Sad you're having to stop BF but you gave him a great start :thumbsup:. Have no weaning advice, but will be interested in how you go for future reference.

I have to agree about bubs growing so much. She's definitely not a newborn anymore! I shed a little tear last night looking at some early photo's.

westerner

30-01-2008, 16:48

Hey Goose , I was just thinking that we haven't seen you for a while!

Been super busy.. But im back.. :hugs:

Wont do personals this time round as ive just caught up on 6 pages, but i will get back into it..

Kaitlyn is doing well.. She is off the charts at 7.7kg and doing great with feeding.. Still all boobie and going well..

She's a great sleeper, goes to bed between 7pm and 9pm and sleeps through till 5am.. Has a 10min feed and goes back for another 2hrs..

Has found her fists and is forever sucking and dribbling now.. so very cute..

She is always laughing and smiling and absolutely adores her big brother.. :hugs:

But im another sad one whose baby isnt a little baby anymore and is getting way to big way to fast.. :( They are growing up too quick..

Hands up who wants another one.. :wave:
Hands up who isnt using any protection.. :wave:
Hands up who must be crazy.. :wave:
(we are not actually 'trying' and i am BF 100%.. But we are not, not trying and being careful yanno..)

lol

Time to cook dinner before little miss wakes up..

Talk soon ladies stay well and stay happy..
Big snuggles to all of our bubbas..

Lozie

30-01-2008, 17:57

lol goose we are being careful but i havnt been back to the Doc for my referral yet must get onto that:idea:.

Yay for babies sleeping and :hugs: Sands must be hard hopefully he will be more settled on formula, that way as AliyahBlake said someone else can feed him occasionally:D

Well speaking of loosing baby weight i joined Fernwood yesterday and had my first session today, it's so nice there i would highly recommend it to any woman anyday all the ladies are lovely and so motivational:goodvibes: i have about 20kgs to loose cant wait to watch it melt away! Mind you that 20 kgs is my baby weight from all three boys seen as i had no time to exercise and try weight loss between pregnancies

Balin is sleep well too he is napping atm but will wake him soon for a bath and his massage, he loves his tummy rubs lol make cutie noises...
Well thats it from me have to run and make some dinner for my "starving" children:rolleyes: ( they just ate..)
Take care!

AliyahBlake

30-01-2008, 20:00

Hands up who wants another one.. :wave:
Hands up who isnt using any protection.. :wave:
Hands up who must be crazy.. :wave:

No way in hell are we having any more!! I would have no problems looking after 3 kids, but I am NEVER going through labour ever again (if I can help it!) Not even a caesarian.....Blake scared the hell out of us so we just don't want to go there again!

Love your new signature, Goose..........s'pose it's too late to nom you for that category though! LOL!

Moops

30-01-2008, 20:31

Hi ladies

Well we had a terrible night last night, Luca wouldn't settle at all he just screamed and screamed. I'm not sure if it's because of his needles on Monday but he just wanted his Mummy.

He's also learnt a new trick! Ever since he was born I haven't strapped him into his rocker because he just sat there and I was always watching him, now he has learnt to jump out of it! He looks so funny he literally just hurls himself out, he's so strong! I'll have to strap him in from now on!

Sandralee - I forgot to say that I also think giving Luca formula at night has really helped him sleep. Luca was the same he wouldn't eat properly when I breastfed him and would wake up every 1-2 hours. Now when I cluster feed him I do a booby feed at 4pm, bottle at 5pm, booby feed at 6pm, bath at 6.30pm then another bottle at 7pm then bed. He generally doesn't drink much at the 7pm feed cos he's full and sleepy. Maybe just try ff feeding him at night and keep bf during the day?

Goose - I think DH and I have rocks in our head! We aren't using anything either (not that we have bd'd much) and I don't think I would be devastated if I fell pg. I can't believe I'm saying that after the birth I had! Although it took about 9 months to conceive Luca so unless DH has developed super sperm I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Thanks for reading my birth story, I don't think I am a great writer so I was worried it would sound like cr@p!

Thanks also for the nominations! Go November Mummies!!!

Nan

30-01-2008, 20:54

Moops - Be careful! Everyone I know who took ages to conceive number one conceived number two straight away!! We took 11 months to get pg with Eden and it happened 1st time with Caleb!!! In fact, I still say he is my miracle baby because we only started ttc in March and he was conceived late February. I guess condoms have been known to fail.......

sandra - :hugs: to you mate. I hope your decision brings you both rest and peace.

goose - Great signature!! :yelclap: Cracked me up!! Hope you do well! We're still umming and aaahhhhhing about another baby. I miss teaching a lot more than I thought I would and I hate night feeds!!! But I also miss being pregnant and wouldn't mind another.....what to do?? :confused: If Caleb had been a girl we would have had 3 no question, but now we have one of each, its a bit harder to decide. Weird coz up until a few weeks ago I really wanted 3!

krixly - I'd love to do the Tony Ferguson diet, as I only need to lose about 8 kilos, but like you said I can't coz I'm bf. So, I'm just being active and doing pilates to tone up while I wait.

Anyway, ladies. I'm off to get ready for bed. I am exhausted today for some reason. Night, night. :wave:

perrywinkle

30-01-2008, 21:01

Hands up who wants another one.. :wave:
Hands up who isnt using any protection.. :wave:
Hands up who must be crazy.. :wave:

No way - 2 is enough. Took 2yrs to concieve Mitchell and 3yrs with Alice.

Yes protection is covered.

Me crazy Never!!!

Nan I'm exhausted too must be the Adelaide weather!!!

Kizmet

30-01-2008, 22:19

Hands up who wants another one.. :wave:
Hands up who isnt using any protection.. :wave:
Hands up who must be crazy.. :wave:

I havent spoken to you in so long!

I will raise my hand as to wanting another one...but not for a fair while :wave:
I will keep my hand down as we are using protection (abstinence is protection right :p)
I will put my hand up as to being crazy :laughing:

Moops

31-01-2008, 06:20

Sometimes I try looking at pics of Noah on my laptop to try and have one - kind of like a spankbank lol!

:laughing: This made me laugh cos I've done a similar thing. I've given up expressing cos I can only get a pathetic amount out, my pump won't attach properly maybe it's just my boobs! I remember walking into Luca's room when he was sleeping and just staring at him willing a let down to happen. Sometimes I used to think of him and try to get a bit emotional as well! It's almost like putting on a sad song to make yourself cry!

Did anyone else notice that their bubs were different after their needles? This is the second night that Luca has been hard to settle, I'm so scared that he is going to go back to his old ways! I can't go back now that I've seen the other side!!

I've been up with him since 7am, he only slept when I took him for a walk so I didn't get to rest. Now Dh has lost his cool with him again so I guess I'm on night duty as well! :hair:

AliyahBlake

31-01-2008, 06:31

Moops - Be careful! Everyone I know who took ages to conceive number one conceived number two straight away!!

I must be the exception to that rule then! We took 5 months to conceive Aliyah, and 11 months to conceive Blake! I was starting to think something was wrong with either me or DH, so was relieved when the test was positive just before we reached the 12 month mark. But still be careful, as I have heard as well that with most people the second one's quicker to conceive.

I'm reading the Baby Whisperer at the moment (the problems solved one) - decided to get it from the library and have a look. Blake's not having any major problems, but I thought I'd get a few extra tips on a couple of little sleeping issues. His daytime sleeps are very small (he sleeps for 40 mins and I'm finding it hard to get him to sleep longer), and I'm wanting him to sleep longer at the second half of the night instead of the first half (so I get longer sleeps!) Well, I have never done it (Aliyah slept through very early on) but last night I decided to try the dream feed at about 10pm in hope he would sleep through the 1am feed and wake a bit later. It worked like a charm and he slept from 1030pm - 430am straight! I fed him then, and he's still asleep now (7:30)! :yelclap: Beautiful! It would have been great if Aliyah had done the same last night (she was awake twice with nightmares!), then I would have had 6 hours of sleep instead of the usual 3 hours here and there. Oh well, I'll keep doing it, and hopefully a longer sleep won't be too far away. I'll do a bit more reading and see if I can combat the day sleeps next. One thing I don't agree with in her book is her idea of not letting them cry - it never hurt Aliyah, and sometimes I just can't physically get into Blake immediately when he's crying. I've only just started reading it though, so I'll reserve judgement until I've finished it.

MrsScatterbrain

31-01-2008, 07:22

Hands up who wants another one.. :wave:
Hands up who isnt using any protection.. :wave:
Hands up who must be crazy.. :wave:

No-o-o-o-o-o way!! :p (Unless our circumstances change and we're closer to family!) I would get way to confused!! (I'd be sending the newborn off to school, putting my older kid in the bouncer, etc!!)

krixly

31-01-2008, 08:07

I will keep my hand down as we are using protection (abstinence is protection right :p)

:laughing: This is so true of us too!!! I really want another baby but just waiting a few extra months before trying again. (i need to lose weight first! about 20kg). We fell pregnant first go with Nehemiah. We were so lucky. I do wonder if it will be the same with #2. Hopefully, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to go a few months. It would drive me crazy.

Nehemiah has been sleeping through til 4.30am for the last week until last night......the little bugger woke at 1am. I tried to just resettle him and after half an hour and him sucking ferociously on his hand (which is a new thing and doesn't always mean hungry), I decided to give him a bottle. He then woke again at 5am, so i just brought him into bed with me and he slept on my tummy until about 6.45am!!!! Going to see the Child Health Nurse today for a weigh in and will have a chat to her about his sleeping. Hoping it was just a one off night!!!!! :confused:

Lozie

31-01-2008, 08:20

OMG goose look what you've started:p thanks to you i have just rang my doc and i'm off for my referral today so will be covered by tomorrow woot! I couldnt do 4 under 4 atm will wait tho and try for a little girl in a few years:D this yr is for me I havnt done that since i had Jacy so i am looking forward to getting my body back and being able to do things i havnt done for years:yes: We never really actively tried to conceive anyone we just werent as careful as we thought:rolleyes: Balin was the only child I was TTC without Dh's knowledge;) so he couldnt tell me no when i said i wanted another this time tho my baby making days are on hold for about 5 yrs then will probably do it all over again a few times:D

AliyahBlake

31-01-2008, 08:39

I would get way to confused!! (I'd be sending the newborn off to school, putting my older kid in the bouncer, etc!!)
Glad I'm not the only one who has days like that! :laughing:

shymmer

31-01-2008, 09:43

Well, I think I would like more kids, but I don't really want the pregnancy to be honest. I got Implanon put in the other week, so no more kiddies for atleast a year or two. Mind you . . . it's like the Sahara dessert 'down there', so no action for a while anyway!! (Sorry TMI :o)

Moops- I do think Xav is more unsettled since the immunisations. Could be unrelated, but now and then she will have a few hours of unsettledness and I just think she must be feeling off. I don't think it's unusual for babies to change sleeping habits at the drop of a hat though. Or maybe that's just my baby??? lol
I keep wondering if Xav is maybe having another growth spurt or perhaps some developmental changes that does it? Honestly, I can't keep up with it. At least the good thing about not having any real expectations for long sleep times is I'm happy with more than an hour! I got 3hrs all together last night! Am I lucky or what?????

westerner

31-01-2008, 09:59

I havent spoken to you in so long!

I know its been ages.. Will have to catch each other when we are both free soon.. :hugs:

Ok so i have come to the conclusion that i am indeed crazy then.. :laughing:
And whats even crazier is that its not as if it takes much for me to get knocked up.. DS was a pill baby and DD was the first month trying.. :goodvibes:
Im sure BF kinda works as a contraception doesnt it.. :rolleyes: :laughing:

Yep im definatly nuts..

kaybee

31-01-2008, 10:13

Moops & Shana - Ava was definitely more unsettled and grumpy for a few days after her needles! It was at it's worst a few days after! As they are supposed to have a developmental growth spurt around this time too, I think it makes it worse. The bad thing for us is that it seems to have made her more dependent on her dummy to get to sleep! :thumbsdown:

Goose - Baby no2 wont be for a couple of years, if at all. I keep changing my mind on whether I want another one, I'm not getting any younger and the thought of going through pregnancy and birth again doesn't really excite me. (Although having another little bubba does! If only some one could just do it for me, for free!)

Does anyone know if you have a relatively quick and easy first birth/labour, that any subsequent labours will be the same? Do they always get quicker?

sandralee

31-01-2008, 10:39

Thank you for all your support!!!! After I started thinking about the quality of milk Noah was getting with such short feeds, it made sense that it would affect his sleeping. Had a ****e nite tues & after watching him wriggle and squirm around like a flipped over turtle while I was feeding him - I just felt like trying to wean him, so that I knew at least in a bottle he would be getting more nutrients. (cos he sure wasn't reaching any hind milk while BF - they say that the hind milk starts after 15mins of constant sucking - so 5 mins was just enough for an oxytocin rush, and all sugary watery milk! ) Had started getting sore full boobs too, cos he never emptied them - and before I knew it I was in the throws of weaning.. EEK!! Finally got him to take a bottle, but he is averaging 50-60mls before losing interest.. I guess it is early days yet and he is still getting used to teats etc. He ended up sleeping more peacefully between feeds, even though he wasn't taking a full feed each time. Much easier to dreamfeed him cos he isn't awake to notice the bottle, and took 100ml in one of the two dreamfeeds I did. I put him to bed between 7-7.30pm, did dreamfeeds at 9pm and midnight, and the first time he woke by himself was 3.40am! Screaming, and of course expecting the boob as usual, I got Steve to heat up his bottle while I distracted him. (5mins felt like 5hrs lol!) At the moment I can only bottle feed him while I am NOT holding him, so it feels impersonal but it is the only way he will take it for now.. in his bouncer or laying on a pillow in our bed. The next we heard from him after that feed (60ml) was 6.40am. He woke happily and was playing in his cot. I feel so happy that he seems to have slept better than while BF, even though he is taking such small ammounts. Keeping an eye on his wet nappies as he has only had 500mls since 3pm yesterday, so should have another 400ml by 3pm today according to the formula tin. I hope I can get that into him by then as he takes ages to feed while getting used to sucking from teats! Will be nice when he can take a full bottle so I can do fewer feeds. Has anyone been through the same thing before cos I worry he isn't having enough. What bottles/teats has everybody had success with? XXXXXXXXX Thank you!

Lozie

31-01-2008, 10:58

Sandra, Balin is a boobie baby but the only teat/bottle he will actually feed from is the new Tommie Tippie ones they are boobie shaped so it easier for them to attach or something...Anyhoo balin loves them but I have the same problem he wont take it from me not even EBM must be cause he smells the real thing i'm thinking... Anyhoo just rambled Tommie Tippie is the best in my opinion... and the bottles look cool too:D

AliyahBlake

31-01-2008, 11:09

Yeah, when I weaned Aliyah off the boob and onto formula, she would only drink from the Tommee Tippee ones, too.

I'm thinking of starting to introduce a couple of formula feeds a day for Blake at the end of March to get him geared up for when I start back at work in May. I wanted to express, but as with Aliyah, it hasn't been a success as I don't have time to sit for half an hour with the pump either in between or after Blake's normal BF. When I started back at work (Aliyah was 6 months old), I weaned her off the breast completely, but with Blake I'm going to just try supplementing his feeds while I'm at work with formula, and then keep BF when I'm not working. It may not work but I'll give it a go, just so he gets breastmilk for a bit longer.

Talking of contraception, I've been on the minipill for a few weeks, but I hate having to remember to take it every night. I've heard of this new thing called a Nuvaring - http://www.nuvaring.com/Consumer/switch/aboutNuvaRing/index_flash.asp . This link is from the US site, but it has just been released in Australia. It sounds quite good (as I don't like the thought of using the Implanon and having to get it inserted) but I was wondering if any of you have heard of it or used it before?

shymmer

31-01-2008, 11:46

Interesting about the Tommee Tippee teats - I was looking at them in Woolies yesterday. I might get one and give it a go. Giving the bottle at the dreamfeed is a genuis idea Sandra! I'll try that too - also in the bouncer . .
And I hear you loud and clear on the boob front! Xav is putting on lots of weight but I'm pretty sure she doesn't get much hind milk at all. The first let down is with the thirst quenching milk, and my second let down doesn't seem to happen until atleast 10 mins later and not much 'let's down'. Xav gets very frustrated with it - she wants to drink again (when she's over the drowsy effects of the foremilk) but nothing is there. I put her on the other side and she gulps it down - but again it's not the hind milk.
I'm wondering if since she's only been feeding for such short times I've actually stopped producing much hind milk?

Nicole -that Nuvaring sounds pretty good doesn't it?
I got Implanon put in two weeks ago and have had very light bleeding for the past week. Last time I just had regular AF on it and no other side effects (had been on Depo until then), so I hope it's the same this time. :fingerscrossed: . A couple of my girlfriends have had it and didn't stop bleeding for months and had it removed, so it isn't for everyone. I'll just have to see how it goes this time. If it's no good, I'll be looking into the Nuvaring too!!