immunisations

[pumpkin]

just curious as to how many people have immunised and how many won't immunise. and the reasons behind these decisions.

[veve]

gee wizz pumpkin...

here is a MASSIVE can of worms... open it!!!!! :laughing:

I'm definately a pro-immuniser... I work in the area of disability- I have come into contact with many kids who's impairment could have been prevented (e.g. mum had rubella ... kid caught meningitis (sp?) ) ... and couldn't bear it if my child became badly sick... disabled .. or dead through something that I could have prevented... (that is basically my two cents in a nutshell :) )

xxx

[pumpkin]

yes definately agree with you veve (pmsl) i have fully immunised all of our children and there are more positives to it then not i think. my 2 cents:yelclap:

[lukaelmo]

Ooo you are brave indeed pumpkin! For what it is worth, the dude is immunised. I am of the opinion that this is the right thing for me to do for him.

[Nixie]

Both my children are fuly immunised. I never thought twice about it. To me it was the right thing to do for my children.

[mumof03]

All 3 of my kids have been immunised and continue to get their updates as needed. There is currently a new vaccine being offered to year 8 students in Qld high schools, and my eldest is also getting this one, as will my other 2 when they are old enough.
I believe the pro's outway the cons, however, I can understand some peoples choices not to immunise.
A friend of mine during high school was not immunised because her parents had chosen to immunise his older sister, who then died because of an allergic reaction to the immunisation. This was a rare case, but I can understand that they wouldn't want to risk losing another child by immunisation.
I believe it is the parents choice as to whether they immunise or not. My choice was to immunise and I would recommend (not force) other parents to consider immunising thier children too. But this is just my opinion.

[tyler's mum]

i will be getting all of tyler's needles,,, i believe they have them for a reason and i dont want tyler to get sick and know i could have stop it,,,,

[maddysmama]

I'm definately a pro-immuniser... I work in the area of disability- I have come into contact with many kids who's impairment could have been prevented (e.g. mum had rubella ... kid caught meningitis (sp?) ) ... and couldn't bear it if my child became badly sick... disabled .. or dead through something that I could have prevented... (that is basically my two cents in a nutshell :) )

xxx[/QUOTE]

I also work in disability and have seen the same situations as above ...very sad. My bubs is immunised.

[Sarie]

Yup, I really see that the pros far out weigh the cons. PJ had his 12 month needles today.

[Shazbutt]

Both my girls are fully immunised (or will be)....i never thought twice about it. To know you could have done something to prevent a terrible disease is something i couldn't live with....

BTW Sarah, how'd PJ go today...was he a brave boy?

[TwoBlue]

I believe the pro's outway the cons, however, I can understand some peoples choices not to immunise. .


I immunise but each to their own...

[reAllytee]

I immunise its a no brainer for me due to my mum having polio & now going through post-polio syndrome.
But im also in agreeance with others saying that they understand why some choose not to immunise.
Each to their own.

[SugarBlossom]

I have not or will not immunise

[jarrahsmumma]

There is no 'selectively' option...

We have chosen to do some immunisations and not others

[Rockett]

To know you could have done something to prevent a terrible disease is something i couldn't live with....




I agree,so yes, I immunise.

[Chickadee]

A tip for you Pumpkin - if you are interested in real numbers then you should not have made this a public poll. Members who have not immunised may not want to have their name listed against the option they selected in the poll, and so simply will not vote. Any results you get will be skewed.

[pumpkin]

A tip for you Pumpkin - if you are interested in real numbers then you should not have made this a public poll. Members who have not immunised may not want to have their name listed against the option they selected in the poll, and so simply will not vote. Any results you get will be skewed.


thank you i will remember that in future i did not know that you guys would be able to see exactly who had voted which way (i will know if future)

[SuperWoman]

My son has had his immunisations up to date and will continue to do so!!!:thumbsup:

[the_queen]

There is no 'selectively' option...

That's why I didn't vote in the poll.

Vallerie is; but this new bubs will be selectively vax'd, if at all. I'm still researching the pro's and con's. Wish I'd done this before Vallerie was born.
:)

[veve]

A tip for you Pumpkin - if you are interested in real numbers then you should not have made this a public poll. Members who have not immunised may not want to have their name listed against the option they selected in the poll, and so simply will not vote. Any results you get will be skewed.

isn't it funny - I didn't even notice that!!! (how can I see the results - for future reference???) ooooh I was thinking that it had been a one sided poll... (not that I would confront anyone about vacs... but I do understand)

xx

[Chickadee]

Veve, you have to vote to be able to see the poll results and who voted for what. Although once the poll closes it might be that anyone can see the results, I'm not sure on that.

[ThomasMum]

My son has had his immunisations up to date and will continue to do so!!!:thumbsup:

Ditto! Yes Yes Yes I vote for Yes! :yelclap:

Thomas is doing so well, healthy and happy bub and is uptodate with his immunisations so we have no reason not to do it! :thumbsup:

[zenifa]

My DD is fully vaccinated, but my DH & I have spent a lot of time researching the immunisation issue. I agree its a parent's decision and I believe there needs to be a choice.

A suggested book for those interested - try 'MMR: Science and Fiction' by Richard Horton 2004

[Sarie]

Shannon he did really well. Wade took him in and he only cried while they were being done, then he was fine. No temps, though he did wake at 1am and 4am, but I gave him a bottle both times and he went straight back to sleep.
He's been back in bed since 9:30 this morning for his morning nap, just as well so I could finish cleaning up.

[shed]

I voted yes but would have voted for the selectively option if it had been offered.

Starting off with the 'no Vitamin K' jab for our boy.

[Peaceangels]

Both my children are fully immunised , their health and happiness is paramount.

IMO, the advantages far outway the disadvantages as far as immunisation is concerned.

[maydr]

dd is 7 months now, and so far fully immunize as to what is offered at her age.

[Miaow]

EJs so far fully vacinated for her age (4 months vacinations tomorrow) as others have said the advantages outweight the disagvantages.

BTW Shed, Vitamin K is a vitamin and is needed for blood clotting (babies dont produce enough of their own till about 2 weeks i believe) it isnt an immunisation.

PS i never knew till now that you could see who had voted in a poll

[mummy sam]

i didnt even think about it, immunisation to me was just apart of growing up. Lochie is up to date for his age and we will continue for the rest of them.

i dont know what i would do if he didnt get them and got sick. i think i would feel so guilty knowing that maybe something could of prevented it

[the_queen]

i dont know what i would do if he didnt get them and got sick. i think i would feel so guilty knowing that maybe something could of prevented it


See, I feel this too; but I also would feel bad if my child had a bad reaction to a vaccine, or if my child suddenly developed autism/cancer/severe allergies/mercury poisoning/ADHD - how would I know that wasn't connected to the vaccine?

I'm not a massively "anti-vax" person, I'm still researching the issue and trying to make a final decision. And this is the problem I'm having! All the "what-ifs" and both sides telling me "the other side are trying to scare you, so don't believe them". :confused:





(BTW, not picking on you or your comment mummy sam, just using it to put forward my point of view - I respect your point of view :))

[Refresh]

DS#1 partially vaxxed
DS#2 had one lot - no more
#3 will have none:)

[Briannabear]

My DD is fully immunised - and so will our next baby.:thumbsup:

However, there are a lot of people who dont for their own reasons. Our naturopath/homeopath hasnt immunised her children, she has given them natural remedies instead. Her children are now grown up and are perfectly healthy adults. There are positives and negatives on both sides.

[Refresh]

However, there are a lot of people who dont for their own reasons. Our naturopath/homeopath hasnt immunised her children, she has given them natural remedies instead. Her children are now grown up and are perfectly healthy adults. There are positives and negatives on both sides.

Well said Becca:)

Like Queenie said, I am not "antivax" as such, we just dont choose to vax our kids anymore. I totally understand why people do vax and it is nice that there are people who understand that those who don't, have made this decision with good reason:)

[melfunction]

K has all his vaccinations up to date atm...We have the form signed, but haven't decided if he will get anymore..

[shed]

BTW Shed, Vitamin K is a vitamin and is needed for blood clotting (babies dont produce enough of their own till about 2 weeks i believe) it isnt an immunisation.


Oh...oopsy daisys then!! A jab is a jab to a shocking needle-phobic like me!!

I will be eating lots of alfalfa in preparation for the first feed so he will be getting his Vitamin K anyway, so I suppose it doesn't count really.

No Brussels Sprouts though :laughing:

[Seekrit]

I said fully immunised even tho' I haven't had bubs yet, because she WILL be fully done on time and the rest

[giggles]

Our DD is immunised to 7 months so far and will continue to be immunised.

[mummyof5]

Here is my 2 cents worth...None of my beautiful babies has been immunised. I was intending too, and having nannied for several years before my own had taken plenty to be done, but as I was not returning to work anytime soon after my children's births, I did not see why I needed to inject my very small babies with virus' before they even got any kind of chance to develope their own imuunity. They are all really healthy in terms of contagious illness, my eldest has had measels, funnily enough was diagnosed on his 1st birthday, so would not have had MMR even if we were giving it. That is all.
Therfore, we never ended up immunising, except for the meningitas shot given to primary school children in 2004, both elder kids have had that one, as will the younger ones at some point, as it kills so quickly.
They have had almost no ear infections or anything of the sort, and apart from no.4 who has an underlying metabolic problem and some associated health issues from that, they are some of the healthiest kids I know. I do know plenty of people who's kids are fully immunised who have had loads of childhood illness' so who's to say whether it contributes or not?
Info for anyone who is interested. You do have the right to request Vitamin K be administred orally, which is a dose at birth, another I think 24 hrs later, then the last at three weeks, and all must be taken or no help at all. Having said that, Vit K is only actually needed by a very small percentage of babies, and they are usually babies born via a traumatic delivery. No, none of my children had it, even my ECS. Also you have the right to refuse a Hepititus shot, as I did, because I was not in a risk catagory, so did not see why my baby, just 24 hours old needed to be immunised against it. If I had indulged in risky behaviour, then I would have had no hesitation in giving it to her.
Also, a quick note. If you do ont immunise or do not fully immunise, get a contientious objection form from medicare (or some g.p's will download it) and have it signed by your gp, then lodge it at medicare, when your baby is still young and you will still be entitled to your immunisation allowance from centrelink at 2 years of age, as they are not allowed to discriminate. You must lodge the form though, or they won't pay you, or at least that is what I was told.
My kids will be made aware of their immunisation status, especially so they can be knowledgable when travelling as adults.
Sorry bout such a long ramble....

[heather.beach@optusnet.co]

Does anyone know if mercury is still used in the preservation of chemicals for immunisation? Have had a two friends with babies who maintain that their baby changed radically after MMR particularly (autism) and, another with ME who reckons mercury allergy is responsible, she recommended getting immunised by homeopathic doc who does not use mercury in the preservation of the chemicals. Anyone shed any light?

Also this poll should also give the option of saying you are going to chose which immunisations you agree to - I am not going to have the Hep B one done for example as we don't fit into a high risk group, but I will have Vit K.

love
Heather
First baby due April 16th - it's a girl

[kiwibird27]

Really interesting - I think we live with so many different allergins and poisons in everyday life (e.g.benzine in petrol is known to cause cancer) it is impossible to tell what would cause Autism etc, I will definately immunise, have looked into alot of the pros and cons but can still see that in our case benefits far outway the possible side effects - if any,

I think it would concern me if the majority of people stopped immunising then illnesses that were once non-existant could once again flourish, however I think immunisations such as chickenpox, measles (excluding rubella), really aren't needed as I believe those illnesses are easily gotten over by children, and once u have them u are immune, and the more we immunise against the more illnesses we seem to find to protect ourselves from??!!

But then most of us happily spray aroung chemical cleaners, use shampoo, etc etc etc, without any concern regarding chemicals, at least they can show reasonably accuratly side effects of immunisations

Mummyof5 - keep talking i find this really interesting!!!

Knew one family who didn't immunise, full vegans etc, and there kids were always sick, they all went to daycare full time to though so exposure to alot of bugs, Think it comes down to your holistic lifestyle as just one aspect of it.

Heather - why no Hep B ???????

[natasha]

My DD is fully immunised.

I really don't undersatnd people who don't immunise. I really don't belivve immunising your baby will 'make them get sick more', so what's the point in not??

Your child could potentially catch a really harmful and even deadly disease. Why risk it? Even if you did believe that immunising would 'increase the chances of your child getting ill (which I soooo don't agree with) wouldn't you prefer that than to have your child die of some deadly disease????:confused:

[the_queen]

Natasha, I guess it's a case of weighing up all the risks involved. I don't beleive that immunising my baby will "make him sick more" either - I just would like to be totally and completely informed before I make the decision to inject live virus' and various other substances into my tiny baby.

You make a good point that some vaccines prevent death. But other vaccines are there just because they've been discovered. EG hepatitis B - the way that disease is transmitted is through unsafe sexual practices, and unsafe IV practices (eg sharing dirty needles, or a blood transfusion from an infected person) so I don't particularly think my baby will be doing any of that stuff... why should I vaccinate him against a disease that he has only a very very small chance of contracting? Chicken pox vaccine - I won't be vaxxing my kids against that, firstly Vallerie's already had the chicken pox anyway, and although some children do have extreme reactions to the disease, the majority do not. And I guess I'm prepared to take the risk.

We weigh up risks every day when it comes to our children's safety. I put my 4 yr old in the car with me and drive to the shops - there's always the risk that someone will crash into us, or that a branch will fall out of a tree, or that a dog will run out on the road, or that a spider will crawl from under my sun-visor and cause me to lose control of the car. For me though, the chances of that happening are small enough that I am prepared to take the risk.

[vespertine]

My son isn't immunised and won't be, until he's old enough to choose for himself. I don't feel I have the right to jab his body with anything he isn't able to consent to.

I first became doubtful of vaccinations when a friend's son reacted to his MMR shot. Overnight, he became a completely different child, and has since remained stagnant developmentally. He is now extremely delayed in all aspects.

I then sought out a video to watch-called 'Vaccination: The Hidden truth' which I found disturbing and it opened a can of worms for me. I continued with my research further whilst pregnant and was shocked at how many children I came across who had been severely affected, even fatally, by vaccinations. What saddenned me is the creators and distributors of these vaccinations refused to take responsibility for the reactions, claiming they were merely coincidental.

I found the book 'Vaccination: The Right Choice?' really interesting and informative and it further reinstated my beliefs that vaccinations should be avoided. I also found the websites www.vaccination.inoz.com and www.avn.org.au helpful. There are studies which show many of the diseases we currently vaccinate against were in decline well before vaccinations were even introduced, due to better hygiene and nutrition.

I don't feel comfortable injecting my son with a mixture which potentially contains frightening ingredients such as formaldehyde, anti-freeze, aluminium, alcohol, animal products, live viruses and bacteria. I do not feel that a baby's immune system is mature enough to properly cope with such an invasion, and believe there is a great chance this could have, if not immediate, lasting negative effects which may become apparent later in life. It is claimed that vaxes no longer contain mercury, and haven't since 2000. But
Congress only "strongly recommended" that the Pharmaceutical Company take the thimerosol out of vaccines.... it was not mandated; simply recommended. The drug companies were not told to take the existing lots off the market. The recommendations only applies to new product line manufacture. An unknown amount of vaccine was/is still on the shelves.

Yes, the new vaccines are supposed to be thimerosal-free, but I'm not sure that they are. In addition, it is unknown when you get a vaccination if you are getting a "new lot" or an "old lot." It is unknown exactly when the new thimerosal-free vaccines went into effect and were available in the market. In addition, if you were vaccinated with an old lot, or vaccinated previous to last summer, you got a dose of the mercury. (taken from a letter by Dawn Winkler, Vice President of Concerned Parents for Vaccines Safety-http://www.whale.to/vaccines/cpfvs.html)


There's a quote that's really important to me. 'If you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and refelct' by Mark Twain. Before handing my child's health and wellbeing over to the hands of medical practitioners, I feel it's only essential that I research and question rather than simply assume they'll be safe. I believe nature is extremely clever, and we have evolved this way for a reason.

If my son does, by any small chance contract a serious illness, I have equipped myself with extensive information on symptoms, signs and treatments, and am confident that he will receive treatment promptly. With our medical system today, I feel his chances of successful treatment are optimal.

What frightens me about the chances of negative reactions and fatalities resulting from vaxes, is that once they happen, they can't be reversed. The effects are permanent. Whereas, if caught early, illness can be treated. And the claim that there is no link between MMR and autism is false. Someone I know was speaking with her GP recently, and he informed her he'd received a GP newsletter which stated the MMR vaccine is soon going to be removed due to new links to side effects. So much for it being coincidental.

I realise the decision whether to vaccinate or not is a delicate one, and although I have opted against it, I understand that those who do have intentions nothing short of the health and wellbeing of their child. We all just want what is best for our children, we just have different ideas of how to achieve it.

[cosmic]

I haven't voted in this poll because I haven't decided yet, but I am leaning far more towards the NON-vaccination option, for the same reasons that have already been given. I have known children to have terrible reactions to vaccines and I don't believe in injecting a tiny person with a live virus (not to mention all the cr*p they use as preservatives - nasty!) before they have had a chance to build up their own immune system.

A lot of the most frightening diseases of years ago were on a rapid decline (almost non-existent) well before mass vaccination was introduced so it's not entirely correct to attribute our healthier society to vaccination - in fact, it's a very real possibility that some of today's health problems that we didn't see years ago are directly related to the introduction of mass vaccination.

[caz]

My son is up-to-date with his immunisations and will continue to be up-to-date until he can make his own choices about it

[fee's]

i didnt even think about it, immunisation to me was just apart of growing up. Lochie is up to date for his age and we will continue for the rest of them.

i dont know what i would do if he didnt get them and got sick. i think i would feel so guilty knowing that maybe something could of prevented it

Same here, have bub immunised fully so far - is yet to even get a high temp from them and only upset for a min or two when he gets them. Mort traumatic for me than him at the moment.:crying:

[lediva]

My DD is nearly 15 mths of age and has had all of her vacs but for the one -MMR- which really scares us as parents the most.
There is just to much controversy surrounding the MMR that we decided 'so far' to delay until she is 18 mths of age.
But I haven't voted because there isn't an option for this.

[Foxy]

My DS is fully immunised to date and will continue to be. As others have said, I could not forgive myself if he contracted a preventable disease such as whooping cough, polio etc. The reason these diseases are not "around" so much is because our generation was lucky enough to have immunisations.

Having said that, I totally respect a parents choice not to immunise. (Although I am not sure why they should be entitled to the taxpayer paid immunisation allowance? :rolleyes: )

No judging, and only out of curiosity, to those who said they have / will only selectively vax, do you mind explaining why?