logan hospital nightmare

[pumpkin]

hi guys found out today that logan hospital is being investigated once again (surprise, surprise) for the death of a baby straight after childbirth.

all i know is this the baby was found to be suffering from fetal distress for a while before she went into labour but logan hospital failed to diagnose fetal distress and also failed to advise the mother that she would not be able to go to term due to the risks of the baby, thye let her go to her due date and once bub was out bub died.:crying:

no wonder i travel a little bit extra to get to the redlands hospital.

[veve]

awwwww:crying:

can I ask where you found that out from ?? was it in the paper? I live in the logan district and haven't heard anything yet??

thanks
xxx

[cwsmum]

I'd like to know how you found that out too. I have a couple of friends booked into that hospital :eek: I have heard bad things about that place, but nothing that bad.

[fee's]

I saw the very sad article on this on either today tonight or ACA earlier this week. maybe if you go to their web sites there could be some further info.

[reni78]

Ditto pumpkin! Haven't heard 2 many positive things about logan, I had bub in Sept 2005 @ Redlands :thumbsup: - great hospital and definately worth the extra travel time.

Reni

[veve]

buggar ... I've done a search - cant find any details on the net... I"ve yahooed every term I can think of .. and done a search on aca and today tonight - can anyone find a link???

xxx

[Spewiesmum]

We wanted to have our baby at Redlands but were told we weren't in the catchment area so were sent to Logan. Logan as it turns out, is about 5km closer than Redlands. I was terrified due to the reputation. I went in the picture of health and came out a complete wreck.

I had to be induced and then had an emergency c-section after 14 hours. I felt at the time they just wanted to get things over with. My recovery was awful - anemia then an infection. I was refused a blood transfusion to help with the anemia (yes, I am well aware of the risks of receiving someone else's blood...) Some of the midwives were extremely impatient as I was trying to feed my newborn son and offered few words of encouragement when I was in tears not knowing why I couldn't feed him. No one told me that due to being induced, having an epidural and everything else, that my milk would be affected. Consequently he became a formula baby.

However, some of the midwives were excellant, in particular the one who was in the birth suite when I first went in. She stayed an extra 45 mins after her shift ended. After that everyone started bustling and I started to just agree with everything the 'masses' were saying.

I was weak, sick and in pain from my wound and infection, but I was happy to hobble out of the hospital.

I will look into a private hospital or use a friends address to 'live' closer to Redlands for future births.

[veve]

aw hon .. :hugs:

it is awful that you had to go through that...

I really hope your next birth experience is much much better...

:hugs:

[pumpkin]

We wanted to have our baby at Redlands but were told we weren't in the catchment area so were sent to Logan. Logan as it turns out, is about 5km closer than Redlands. I was terrified due to the reputation. I went in the picture of health and came out a complete wreck.

I had to be induced and then had an emergency c-section after 14 hours. I felt at the time they just wanted to get things over with. My recovery was awful - anemia then an infection. I was refused a blood transfusion to help with the anemia (yes, I am well aware of the risks of receiving someone else's blood...) Some of the midwives were extremely impatient as I was trying to feed my newborn son and offered few words of encouragement when I was in tears not knowing why I couldn't feed him. No one told me that due to being induced, having an epidural and everything else, that my milk would be affected. Consequently he became a formula baby.

However, some of the midwives were excellant, in particular the one who was in the birth suite when I first went in. She stayed an extra 45 mins after her shift ended. After that everyone started bustling and I started to just agree with everything the 'masses' were saying.

I was weak, sick and in pain from my wound and infection, but I was happy to hobble out of the hospital.

I will look into a private hospital or use a friends address to 'live' closer to Redlands for future births.


when i had my bub at redlands 3 years ago they never said anything about catchment area as i was at loganholme at the time this time bub is due in 11 weeks and no problems wahtsoever getting into redlands and we now live at regents park near browns plains so we moved further again. the best dr there is dr phil moon he was great during my last csection and i have said i want him to do this one and if we have another we will go there too. i like the rooms all to yourself privacy and quiet love that

[cwsmum]

hi guys found out today that logan hospital is being investigated once again (surprise, surprise) for the death of a baby straight after childbirth.

all i know is this the baby was found to be suffering from fetal distress for a while before she went into labour but logan hospital failed to diagnose fetal distress and also failed to advise the mother that she would not be able to go to term due to the risks of the baby, thye let her go to her due date and once bub was out bub died.:crying:

no wonder i travel a little bit extra to get to the redlands hospital.

So...where'd you hear this stuff? I'm curious now coz I live not far and haven't heard anything about this.

[pumpkin]

i was at my checkup at redlands today and got chatting to a lady who is having her 2nd csection next week there (not by her choicce) but you guessed it LOGAN HOSPITALS DOING she lives at rochedale which is further than cornubia so id be looking into that catchment **** next time. she had her first son at logan hospital 4 years ago and she had to have a csetion due to bubs not around the right away etc so they did the csection but didnt cut her uterus far enough and when they got bub out they tore her uterus from back to front so needless to say she would be a major risk for rupture and haemmorraghing if she went in to labour so she will never go back to logan. i dont blame her

even if my kids are sick i travel the extra 10 to 15 mins to go to the royal childrens hospital as at least i know they are under the best care in brisbane. i wouldnt go to the meat market.

[pumpkin]

So...where'd you hear this stuff? I'm curious now coz I live not far and haven't heard anything about this.

one of the mums at school knows the person it happened to and it was also on one of the current affairs shows i will look for it

[brockandblakesmum]

I saw this story on the 7 news. The woman suffered from Cholestasis of Pregnancy. Basically the hormone Estrogen is higher in pregnancy and this cause the liver not to function as it should with bile entering the blood stream causing intense itching mainly first off on the soles of your feet and the palms of your hand.This normally happens in the last trimester. This condition can cause fetal distress, with stained meconium. The baby should be delivered before 36/37 as a baby which goes over this gestation time has an increased risk of death. The rate is approx 1 in 4 babies whose mothers suffer with this condition die. The mother needs to have vitamin k approx from 30 weeks to reduce the risk of haemorrhage.
I suffered this horrible condition with my first and only pregnancy to which I attend the Logan Hospital. Did I find this information out from the Logan....No way. This is self researched. I told them of my intense itching and they told me it was normal part on pregnancy, but in my heart I knew it was not right. I begged and begged for a simple blood test to test for condition. Eventually they gave in, I think to shut me up. They told me it was highly unlikely, but......I did have the condition.

They offered my steroids to help with the itch and I could not sleep from the itch, my skin became so sensitive that I could not stand to wear clothes, my husbands hairs on the inside of his arms felt like needles. One doctor told me that steroids would stunt the growth of my babies, and other told me it would do no harm. Then I was basically told it was up to take the amount that I felt comfortable taking.

I begged them to deliver them earlier, but they told me there was no risk and booked me for a c-section at 38 weeks. Thank god I went into labour at 34 weeks.
My first was born naturally with he Apgar of 9, the second twin went into fetal distress so I had an emergency c-section. His Apgar was 2. He had an extremely low heart rate to the point that we nearly lost him. I was lucky!

Normally this condition will go away 2 or so weeks after delivery. However even though I no longer itch, my liver enzymes are still elevated. I can no longer take the pill because the estrogen will do the same thing to me. I am seeing a gastroenterologist, who told me most likely any woman that suffers this will get it in each pregnancy and at an early gestation period.

I have tried to get in contact with the woman who lost her little baby, as I know how hard this condition is. I have heaps of information she can have.

Theresa

[busylizzy]

no wonder i travel a little bit extra to get to the redlands hospital.
Sorry pumpkin but I had my son at Redlands and it's not that great either (I had a bad experience there). These things can happen anywhere, especially in the public system where you have no idea what doctor or midwife you will get. It's really just a game of Russian Roulette!
Liz.

[SAVINA]

i had my ds 2 logan hospital 2004 and his my 3rd i wasnt to happy with them!

im thikning of going elsewhere i just dont know yet this will be my 4th

i read that story in the local paper a while back! my sil had her baby there as well but he did die her waters kept leaking due to a whole in the sac and eventually they couldnt help her as she was only 23 weeks ! she said she gave birthj all alone as they had left her there! but they werent expecting her to give birthj then!

shes pg now and shes going back ther! shes happy with that but if she stasrts going into labour early shell b off to the mater!

[pumpkin]

Sorry pumpkin but I had my son at Redlands and it's not that great either (I had a bad experience there). These things can happen anywhere, especially in the public system where you have no idea what doctor or midwife you will get. It's really just a game of Russian Roulette!
Liz.


yes but logan is always mentioned every couple of months due to negligence and the doctor i have a redlands is brilliant thats why i only use him. i understand every hospital has good and bad but by now logan should have been shut down they get all the overseas doctors in who have not had the sufficient training for australia.

[busylizzy]

Pumpkin - is this Redlands Private or public? If public, how did you get to choose your doctor?
Liz.

[pumpkin]

Pumpkin - is this Redlands Private or public? If public, how did you get to choose your doctor?
Liz.


public hospital the reason i got to choose was because he also re chose to look after me when i first had my first doctors visit with him as i told him up front that i wanted him to do the csection again, he was more than willing to agree. he is the type of doctor who actually picks and chooses his own patients if they are able to be chosen (e.g having a c section) and he has final say on this. as do the other doctors who may choose their own patients to look after and deliver. not all doctors do this but sometimes you get lucky and find ones that have a heart still iykwim

[zenifa]

I'm certainly not going to get into a debate about public hospitals, including Logan vs Redlands - esp as I had my DD in a private hospital.

I only wanted to say that after the Royal Women's Hospital, the Logan Hospital has the second highest number of deliveries in Qld (yes more than the Mater!).

Of course I do feel for this mother, who lost her baby and clearly the situation needs to be investigated to prevent this from happening again.

As busylizzy said, if you are in the public system it can happen anywhere. All hospitals employ doctors that may have received training overseas, but that doesn't make them necessarily less qualified/competent than Aussie doctors - lets not allow the Dr Patel issue generalise to all foreign doctors. I've heard -ve stories about most hospitals, and its funny how the -ve stories are more likely to stick in our minds than the +ve ones.

Pumpkin - my own personal experience of RCH as a child was that it was a meat market too!! :(

[pumpkin]

Pumpkin - my own personal experience of RCH as a child was that it was a meat market too!!

i can see what you are saying but how manyh years ago was that? technology has come a long way so has advanced medicine and every time i have had to go there they do everything right. i wouldnt exactly call a childrens hosptial a "meat market" just purely because the royal childrens hospital deals with the most cases of uncurable childrens diseases (cancer etc) and lots of the children do die because they are unable to be treated further. A lot of parents would find the term "meat market" offensive. iykwim:shame:

[sopolicha]

[QUOTE=pumpkin even if my kids are sick i travel the extra 10 to 15 mins to go to the royal childrens hospital as at least i know they are under the best care in brisbane. i wouldnt go to the meat market.[/QUOTE]

Which hospital are you talking about?


I don't think it is productive in any discussion to describe a hospital as a meat market. Some people don't have the luxury of choosing which Hospital they attend.

My friend just had her 7 year old daughter in the Logan Hospital for 4 nights with a mystery virus. She tells me that she could not fault the care or any of the nursing staff that attended to her daughter. Her first choice was initially the Mater Children's Private Hospital but she was refused care there due the closure of a couple of wards due to infection.

She has said because of the care she received at the Logan Hospital she would again return instead of paying all the extras that her private health fund doesn't cover when attending a private hospital, like the Wesley or Mater Private.

No matter which hospital you discuss there are always going to be people who have experienced negative outcomes. For each person who says that they would not recommend a certain hospital you can usually find another who can't rave about it enough.

[Lilith]

I have had limited experience with Logan Hospital personally but when my husband needed emergency care, I was extremely happy with the doctors and the nurses there.

I was also getting my nails done a couple of months ago and the lady beside me was a nurse. She was just about to return to the Logan Hospital from Redlands Hospital and she said she loved working at Logan. I said that it was unusual for nurses today to praise hospitals and was happy to hear that she thought it was a great place to work.

I sympathise with the lady (any lady) who has lost a baby. It shouldn't happen. But all hospitals are suffering from a lack of funds and we have to pray that if we are in an emergency situation, the doctor will know what he/she is doing.

My good friend is due to have her baby at Logan in 3 weeks and so far she can't fault the mid-wives or doctors. I hope she has an easy labour with a healthy bub as an outcome.

[zenifa]

even if my kids are sick i travel the extra 10 to 15 mins to go to the royal childrens hospital as at least i know they are under the best care in brisbane. i wouldnt go to the meat market.


I agree with you pumpkin and sopolicha, its not productive in any discussion to call a hospital a meat market. In my previous post, I used the term, in reference to your above quote pumpkin :shame: . I agree technology has certainly advanced, and there have been major developments in many areas of paediatric medicine, unfortunately :( not for the condition that I was treated for (I know this as I have worked in numerous hospitals in Brisbane and overseas). Without boring everyone with my experience, I (& my parents, who after all these years are still upset by this) found RCH nurses & allied health staff excellent, but the paediatric orthopaedic surgeons butchers :devil6: (this is an emotiove opinion and not meant to offend anyone!) - this was after 13 years of ongoing treatment at RCH, not a one off episode.

I am not wanting to minimise the wonderful work done by the staff at the RCH, but as someone who worked at Logan Hospital, I know there are +ve and -ve experiences in all hospitals.
If I was due to have a baby at Logan Hospital and read this thread, I would be terrified but as has been said, many people have excellent care at that hospital and the majority of babies are born safe and well.