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Ok where do I start, I am very new to this so please bare with me. I am a first time mum to a beautiful little girl who is 12 weeks old. She has always suffered from very bad wind and has always been fairly irritable and a hard baby to entertain, we have tried infacol, donnalix, brauer and everything else you can think of as I have always assumed she is a colic baby. She has always been a guts of an eater, she is bottle feed and has been since she was 3 days old (for reasons beyond control). She has always been on S26 Gold and I have never changed her formula as I am constantly being told it will just do more harm than good. She was never a chucker but about 4 weeks ago she stared bringing up a fair bit after every feed and sometimes up to 2 hours after feeding so I just began using Karicare thickener which seems to work however I had to change to medium flow teats as she was having too much trouble trying to suck the thickened milk through. It has been a catch 22 because now she is back to drinking to fast. She also screams and gets very upset if you try and burp her during a feed. After a feed she also gets really irritable. On boxing day she woke up with a terrible case of diahhrea which lasted 3 days. The doc said it was just gastro and to keep her fluids up which we did. She seems to be over it but is just contantly irritable and sad now. I am wondering if it is time to change her formula? I have read that a baby should go on LI formula after a bout of gastro, I suggested this to her doc who pretty much treated me like an idiot!! Somethings got to give she just seems so miserable, has tummy pains, very bad flatulence and is arching her back. My baby has the most beautiful smile....I just want to be able to see more of it. I feel like such a faliure of a mother because I just don't know what to do. Any advice on different formulas and just any suggestions would be so deeply appreciated.
purplefairy
30-12-2007, 17:17
Sorry, How can a bottle fed bub get Gastro? Please explain to me someone? Um I really think you should change doctors. In my experience when it come to feeding babes doctors dont know a lot so maybe the health centre will be able to help you a bit better. Early childhood nurses are great.
I would also suggest if the problem continues to see a Gastro Pead.
I had alot of probs with my second bub who was breast fed but getting constipated severely and a gastro pead helps sooooo much.
I have heard that S26gold is not that great, my first bub was on it from about 5 months with comp feeding I had no probs but thier are special formulas out thier that help with colic and refluxs just ask the chemist or health nurses.
Sorry, How can a bottle fed bub get Gastro? Please explain to me someone?
Babies have gastro problems all the time, ie things don't get cleaned properly, changing the nappy, things on hands, feet etc. My DD pooped green for a week with some gastro bug even though we are thorough on everything (BFing but I'm sure some people would wander if it can happen when you are BFing as well). The GP says it happens and it builds up their immunity, you monitor the baby and as long as they are still feeding and growing you just have to go with the flow.
Thanks for your comments. It is not so much the gastro that concerns me. Its the fact that she always seems so unhappy and irritable. Her wind is terrible and she seems to be farting ALL the time and I am sure it sometimes even hurts her to do so. I was jsut wondering if anyone knew of a formula that may help?
lizzymcfizzy
30-12-2007, 19:43
hi smiley, you poor thing. Please don't doubt yourself as a mother. The fact that you are trying so so hard to make things easier for your baby shows how much you love her and you are doing everything in your power.
Is there a section on bubhub on formula feeding? If not, I'm sure there is a general "feeding" section where you may get some good help with a title about formula.
I breastfeed so I'm not familiar with formulas but I second the suggestion to see an early childhood nurse, if you don't already see one have a look in the front of the white pages or your local chemist might have one. They know alot and can give some good recommendations.
Sounds like your little one is getting lots of wind with her being such a quick eater/sucking so quickly. have you tried the anticolic teats?
If the colic medicenes aren't working is it possible that she also has reflux? have a look at the list of symptoms at www.reflux.org.au
It might be wise to get a second opinion from another Gp and a referral to a peadatriciain.
Try not to stress out too much, she is only very young and her little insides are still figuring out how to work properly. Sometimes they can be colicky/windy/refluxy for no reason and nothing helps them until they get a little older. hang in there!! mine was very very windy and I think she was about 4/5 months before it got better. she also was prescribed as having reflux before that.
Have you tried holding her upright after a feed with her tummy against your chest and her head on your shoulder? Or maybe laying tummy down across your lap? when she gets the wind (holding her legs up to her chest) try a bit of a tummy massage in a clockwise direction in the shape of a square. that might help. and help her move her legs up and down to get it out.
how often does she feed?
:hugs:
Thanks for your kind words and support.
I have been using the Tommee Tippee Health Check bottles which are proven anti-colic with pigeon slow teats. Because she is a guzzler I have found this combination to work the best in slowing her down. She feeds 5 times a day and to be honest, she is a brilliant night sleeper. We put her down at 7pm and she sleeps thru til 5am. I have tried to do the 10pm feed but she never wakes up properly and isn'tinterested so I figured the best thing to do was let her sleep.
I always burp her on my shoulder and usually have to leave her there for quiet some time and as soon as I try to sit her up on my lap she starts getting upset and irritable again, she is definitly happiest on my shoulder.
neostudded
30-12-2007, 20:17
OKay I cant offer much support but something that helped/helps my son relax is turning on a vacume cleaner, he find the noise very soothing.
benji's_mum
30-12-2007, 20:21
:hugs: I know how stressful this is. DS has always been bad with wind. Even now.
Tummy massage helped a little and rubbing his lower back and bottom. I cant really say that infacol worked for us.
Wish you luck
MilkOnTap
30-12-2007, 20:22
I'm assuming your doing all of the 'natural' solutions to reflux? (ie, sitting upright for half hour after feeds, elevated sleeping position and change table position, burping regularly through feeds etc).
Is she on any medication for it? Jedd was FINALLY diagnosed at 4 months with silent reflux and was put on a trial of Losec. Thankfully 3 months later he has outgrown it and is no longer on the meds. I believe that Zantac is good too.
A regular GP may not want to prescribe these, and you may need to see a paed. It took me 2 paeds and 3 GP's to find someone who was willing to at least give him a trial of Losec - and of course once he was on it he was a different baby.
I'm not sure how the gastro is related though - I hope your lil one is alright now.
Best wishes and definitely check out the reflux.org.au website - it has some great info on it.
MilkOnTap
30-12-2007, 20:23
:Tummy massage helped a little and rubbing his lower back and bottom
Great suggestion :yelclap:
When massaging your lil ones tummy, make sure you do it in a clockwise direction. The large intestine runs from the left hand side under the ribs, over to the right hand side under the ribs, and then down to the rectum. By gently following the intestine with massage it will definitely help relieve indigestion and gas; and help to identify if its indigestion, windpain or reflux that your baby is suffering from.
All your suggestions have been wonderful, thank you. I think I need to find another GP (one that will actually listen to me) and get a referal to a paed.
I was just reading through the reflux website and my little girl has so many of those symptons!! She is a comfort feeder, catnaps during the day, screams after a feed, has reacurring hiccups, a hoarse voice and so on!! I am definitly going to a paed now!!!
lizzymcfizzy
30-12-2007, 21:38
good to hear we have helped. best of luck with a new doc :)
hugs darl reflux and GI issues suck
sounds to me like you are dealing with milk protein issues as wel as reflux hense the bad gass fussiness etc and of course the reflux
Do yoyu think your GO wil refer him to a pead ( if not get a new one that will) there are perscription formulas that are dairy and soy protein free such as elecare and neocate they are alot easier to digest then the normal ones and less likely to cause issues
I am going to find a new GP tomorrow and get a referral. My current GP just doesn't listen, actually her exact words were "all babies get reflux". Being a first time mum is hard enough without being treated like an imbecile.
If anyone out there knows of a good GP within Brisbane, I would love their details!!
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 22:29
:iagree: with what Mikenzee's Mum said.
When you see the GP, take ALL the info. about reflux that you can find. List down all your DD's symptoms and show them the research and symptoms.
Ask the GP to call the pead.s office and see if they can get you in ASAP. Often when the GP calls, the ladies in the office seem to get you in quicker...:mad::confused: Ask the GP explains that your little one is in a lot of pain and needs medical advice ASAP.
Ask the GP for a script for zantac or losec ,to cover your DD's pain until you can get to the Dr. to discuss the wind/irritability issues. Both drugs are weight determined. So make sure your GP gives u the correct dose for the weight of your DD.
If your DD has intolerances or allergies to the milk protiens, then the only thing that will fix it will be a change to a script formula. In the mean time...try to only make one change every 3 or 4 days. Too many changes at once and you wont know which change worked or not.
My suggestion would be to start your DD on NANHA1GOLD...which is the best formula on the open market for babies with intolerances or digestive issues. Don't put your baby on soy- most research will tell you that soy is not good for little babies AND (more often than not) an intolerance or allergy to milk protiens will mean an intolerance to soy too. I don't know why they told you about not changing formulas.....i disagree...you shouldn't go changing formulas every day though. Try not to change to much...but definately change if your DD is struggling. Did you know that S26 is known for causing constipation issues? If you change formula...make sure you trial it for a week. It will take that long for all the other formula to leave the body.
To help release the wind, try lying her on her back and bicycling her legs and then pushing he legs up into her bowel area to release wind. Or you can lean her back up against your chest/stomach and then lift her legs up into her bowel area to release wind (we often get wind released like this...but only when he's distracted- because he relaxes..so we go for a walk holding our DS2 like this). I guess the best way to describe this second method is that she's in your arms like a swing...and you have your hands/arms under her kness...and then use your arms to pull her knees up.
A warm bath is also good. Have you tried infants friend or Brauers wind relief?
:hugs: to you....My DS2 is 7 months and is only just getting over all his digestive/intolerance/reflux issues.
Keep us updated.
Mrs Little & Sons.
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 22:35
Just checking...
Are you saying that your DD had issues before the gastro?? or just since the gastro?
Mrs Little & Sons.
Just checking...
Are you saying that your DD had issues before the gastro?? or just since the gastro?
Mrs Little & Sons.
She has always had issues!! Oh that sounds terrible. She has always suffered very bad wind and seems to scream and cry out of the blue.
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 22:52
Ok...no it doesn't sound horrible..you sound like a devoted mother who loves her DD.:D:hugs:
Keep pushing with the dr.s till you find someone that listens.
What i said in my first post applies to your DD if she has always had these issues...
It does sounds like a digestive issue. Either slow digestion or intolerance/allergy. Both which can lead to reflux.
Mrs Little & Sons.
I think my biggest concern is she just never seems happy and content. It breaks my heart....:(
:iagree: with what Mikenzee's Mum said.
My suggestion would be to start your DD on NANHA1GOLD...which is the best formula on the open market for babies with intolerances or digestive issues.
Mrs Little & Sons.
I am definitly going to try her on the Nan, I have just read a few forums on it and it definitly sounds like the way to go. There even were a few threads mentioning that S26 gold seemed to cause there babies colic and become very cranky, once they changed the problem was solved!! Fingers crossed!!
You've been wonderful, thank you so much for your advice!!
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 23:02
Oh boy...don't i hear you on that one!!
I'm so sorry things are so hard for you and your DD.
Have you got a good support network to get you and your DD through this?
BTW...make sure when you talk to the drs. that you have exact symptoms to describe to them. Telling them that 'she's not happy' will not be enough. If u tell them the exact symptoms...an alarm bell may go off in their heads...if it's not full of air. (Sorry...mean i know. :D Too many experinces with cr@ppy dr.s that don't listen and are full of themselves.)
Mrs Little & Sons.
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 23:06
I am definitly going to try her on the Nan, I have just read a few forums on it and it definitly sounds like the way to go. There even were a few threads mentioning that S26 gold seemed to cause there babies colic and become very cranky, once they changed the problem was solved!! Fingers crossed!!
You've been wonderful, thank you so much for your advice!!
Wouldn't that be just FANTASTIC if a change to NAN fixed her issues.
I agree with the info you have found on s26. It seems to be known for it's issues with LOADS of babies...
Make sure you go with NANHA1GOLD...we can buy it here in WA at IGA. Most chemists should have it. Ring around and see who has it, then you wont have to travel half way round the world looking for it.
ALSO...if the symptoms persist in relation to the gastro...then mention that to the dr. too. Have they told you about wet nappies and gastro? Does she have a temp...are all the gastro symp.s gone?
Mrs Little & Sons.
Gastro seems to be cleard up and she didn't dehydrate. She also never had a temp but what managed to come out of her was unbelievable!! My DH got up to her in the morning it started and she has liquid poo everywhere, even under her armpits!! I'ver never heard a man screams so loud!!
I do have great support although as I am a bit of a control freak I tend to take it all on my back. So then I stress and stress until I can find a miraculous cure!!
When I change to the Nan should I do it gradually or cold turkey?
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 23:50
LOL :laughing: Men...!! What an experince that would have been for him.
I think you will find that most people suggest gradually.
However, from my experinces ,with both my boys having digestive issues/reflux and intolerances, i would say cold turkey.
Only because..if it's the S26 formula that is causing the issue, then a gradual change will make the healing process take longer as the offending formula will still be entering her body. If you do a straight swap then the offending protien stops entering her body straight away.
Maybe you could try a combination of both.
For example..if she is having 6 bottles a day. Then start with every second bottle as NANHA1GOLD..and the inbetweens as the s26. Do that for 3 days and then change to all NANHA1GOLD bottles. Does that make sense?
ALSO..if her issue is digestive/intolerance or allergies...it can take up to 6 weeks to see a FULL change around. My DS2 didn't get proper help till he was about 4 months old. So it took a little longer for his body to recover. He's now 7 months and he's been good for about 1 month...so it took about 2 months for him.
Sorry i couldn't reply earlier...bottles had to be washed and sterilized before i could no longer function standing up..hehe...sitting here doesn't require standing.
Hope to hear good reports from your way soon.:hugs:
Mrs Little & Sons.
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 23:52
[QUOTE=vsmiley;2219961]I do have great support although as I am a bit of a control freak I tend to take it all on my back. So then I stress and stress until I can find a miraculous cure!! [QUOTE]
Are you my long lost twin??!!:p:D
Sometimes i wonder how i made it this far with both my boys without letting people help me. (Of course my wonderful BH mum's are always here for me...but a real life support network is also important..) :hugs:
Mrs Little & Sons.
Hi there!!!
Please forgive me if this has been addressed (a little sleep but not ready for bed yet)
Gastro will most of the time will strip the enzymes that break down the lactose in the formula... At this time any formula containing lactose will upset bub and 'can' do further damage...
In most cases and that of my ds (no.2) who suffered gastro at around your bub's age he had to go on a lactose free formula for 2 weeks to allow his system to heal and i gradually weaned him back on to his normal formula.... Without probs...
I Changed ds to Karicare Gold + and i have never looked back... Great for the digestive system with the prebiotics acting as a natural fibre and promotes good gut flora...
However NAN Gold is a brilliant formula as well and Mrs. Little is spot on...
With friends who have used NAN they too were relieved parents of happier bubby's...
S26 is renowned for constipation, upset tummy's and general unsettledness... I could go into some of the reasons that were discussed by my paed but i assure you it is not one he recommends...
All the best hun x x
Mrs Little
30-12-2007, 23:59
Gastro will most of the time will strip the enzymes that break down the lactose in the formula... At this time any formula containing lactose will upset bub and 'can' do further damage...
In most cases and that of my ds (no.2) who suffered gastro at around your bub's age he had to go on a lactose free formula for 2 weeks to allow his system to heal and i gradually weaned him back on to his normal formula.... Without probs...
You're Right...
It can't hurt for a baby to go on LF after gastro, for a little while.
I guess i was looking at her long term issues with her DD. LF wont help if it's an intolerance since before the gastro...
Essjay...we love you and your insightful posts...:hugs::thumbsup:
Aren't dr.s just painful with their conflicting advice..
Mrs Little & Sons.
You ladies are an absolute wealth of knowledge!! I love you all!! :hugs:I just wish I had gotten onto this whole forum thing a lot sooner.
So this is what I am thinking....should I try a LF formula for 2 weeks then get DD onto the Nan HA1 Gold? Does Nan make a LF formula? Or should I just switch her straight to the Nan HA1 instead because she has always had terrible wind and gas, irritability etc before the gastro anyway.
Also what bottles and teats do you recommend? DD is a guts and needs to be slowed down so I have been using pigeon slow teats with Tommee Tippee Health Check Anti Colic bottles. Just wondering if there was anything better out there that I haven't discovered yet!
Guess what!?! I have just seen the most amazing GP, he actually listened to me!!:smiliedance: I am so excited!!
You ladies are absolute geniuses. I took along my list of symptons and he said DD definitly has reflux. He has switched her to Karicare Gold + however she must have the Karicare LF formula for 2 weeks due to the gastro. He also said that S26 gold is not a very good formula due to the high iron content and causes alot of complications in babies. So 2 weeks of LF then 2 weeks of Karicare gold, if no improvement then he will look at some medication but he assures me that we will definitly see a difference on the new formula. So fingers crossed.
He also asked why I had put up with it for so long and I explained that NO doctors or HCN would listen to me. He said always trust your instinct, mum always knows best. But to be honest, I feel a little guilty for not doing something sooner :(.
LivinOnAPrayer
31-12-2007, 14:05
Hi Smiley! Thats great news to hear your DD is finally diagnosed. My DD was 8 months when she was finally diagnosed and now also suffers dairy allergy so she's on elecare, a script formula.
Please dont feel bad, its really not your fault. Some dr's just think they're gods gift and see a new mum as stomping ground. :yelclap: for pushing the issue!!!
I hope you enjoy DD more now that she'll be relaxed. And another thing, dont feel as though you need to explain why you arent bf!! my DD has been bottle fed (and tube) from day 6. :hugs:
Mrs Little
01-01-2008, 15:38
:hugs::thumbsup:YAY YAY YAY!!:flowerz:
Don't feel guilty...it will hinder your positive experience that you can now have because your DD has some GOOD advice from a GOOD GP!! You did the best job you could with what you could...and look where it's got you. I know it's hard...but try to focus on the positive now! :)
I'm so glad we could encourage you to stick it out in regards to finding a new GP. Thank heavens there are still some good ones out there!!
The GP sounds like one you need to hold onto!!
Good to hear about the karicare. It too is a good formula to try. If...and only if....your daughter doesn't respond to karicare then ask the dr. about formula for intolerances and allergies. You will need a referal to see a pead. to get the formula. But ask him about trying NANHA1GOLD before getting the referal.
Is your DD on any meds for reflux?? Did the GP talk about using these meds?
So he's talking about a 3 week wait before trying meds for reflux?
Mrs Little & Sons.
P.S. Don't change bottles if the bottles are working for your DD. If you think they're not working then change them. Avent are good- they have vari flow teats.
WOO HOO!!!:yelclap:
I've only just read this.... You have made my day....
Please keep us posted hun.... All the best for a ghappier pain free bub...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!:party:
Mrs Little
06-01-2008, 11:25
Just wondering how you're going?
Mrs Little & Sons.
VINTAGE VOGUESS
08-01-2008, 11:51
I am sorry your precious little one has colic it is the worst thing ever. My oldest boy had it, from 17 days old He never burped so it was all held in his tummy poor thing. But I found the best remedy EVER!!!! I tried everything too, and found nothing worked.
Buy at your health food shop or chemist some Blackmores Magnesium Compound tablets! I used to break the tablets into 1/4's because he was so young, and ground them into a very fine powder. When I was breast feeding I used to mix in breast milk (a lot) then I filled a dropper with the mix and popped it in his mouth. I used to do it before feeding as it is more effective, depending on how bad he was I used to do it every second feed. The magnesium stops the cramping and helps with burping.
BLACKMORES have a 1800 number where you can talk to a naturopath. As your baby get bigger they will grow out of it. Colic is so bad that it can actually kill horses. If you are bottle feeding if you grind it well enough you can pop it into the bottle. I promise you it never fails, and it has worked for all my friends when they have had colicy bubs. Good luck let me know how you go! and best of all being natural will not effect you bub.
Kind Regards Kylie
JimJamsMum
08-01-2008, 12:18
According to my Mum, S26 can be the colic culprit for a lot of babies. She says she's seen lots of babies who have troubles with S26 but no problem with other formulas. If it was me, I'd be changing to another formula. I doubt it will do any harm and hey, it might just do some good.:)
Oh ladies, I need your help again....DD has been on the Karicare LF for a week and we saw a dramatic improvement. Her gas eased, her moods seems to pick up however in the last couple of days everything has gone down hill. She is constantly irritable again, for past two days she has just suddenly had huge screaming fits. She'll just scream and cry so loudly, her face goes bright red and nothing calms her down!! Yesterday it happened whilst I was getting her bottle ready, it had only been 3 hours since she last fed. She got so worked up that she wouldn't even feed!! Then about 15 minutes ago she was showing signs of being tired so I wrapped her and started trying to settle her for a nap and once again she just went crazy!! it was too much for me and I had to put her in her bouncer and she almost immediatly passed out. And of course I broke down in tears. She has always been a bit of a cat napper during the day but she always slept well at night. However for the last couple of nights she has been waking at 3 and 4am where she would usually sleep til at least 5 or 5:30am. What am I doing wrong?!?! I feel like she hates me because she just seems so miserable......
Mrs Little
09-01-2008, 15:02
Is she on reflux meds?
Is she arching her back during the red face?
Mrs Little & Sons.
Took her to the doc this morning and he has put DD on Losec, 10mg a day. So fingers crossed that makes a difference.
Mrs Little
09-01-2008, 15:19
Awesome...thats where i was heading.
My understanding is that it can take up to 2 weeks to see the losec have a full affect. (My boys were on zantac or zoton...so i don't have much experince with losec. Both of those drugs took abut 1.5 weeks to work.)
So hang in there for the next little while.
Mrs Little & Sons.
I am so nervous that it won't work and the problem may be more serious. I had no idea that motherhood was so hard, rewarding but very hard....
Natsmummy
09-01-2008, 16:07
I haven't had time to read everyone elses posts so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
I know you've been advised not to, but if I were you I would change the formula. When my son started on the bottle he had NAN HA and we had terrible trouble with it, and then we switched to Karicare. The positive results of this change were almost immediate. I have heard of a number of people having issues with S26 so perhaps a change to another brand might help.
I also found that heating flannalette wraps in the dryer and laying them across my son's stomach gave him some comfort (its like a heat pack for a baby - like you might use for period pain).
Natsmummy
09-01-2008, 16:10
I am so nervous that it won't work and the problem may be more serious. I had no idea that motherhood was so hard, rewarding but very hard....
It is, isn't it?!:hugs: It doesn't matter how mentally prepared you think you are before the birth of your baby - it's hard. I found the first year the worst, but as they get a little older its much easier.
PM me if you need to talk:hugs:
binadwill
09-01-2008, 17:14
Our little boy is 9 weeks today. From about three weeks he has been suffering the exact same symptoms. We moved so firstly thought that it was just irritability and unsettled. Tried upright feeds and all the natural methods etc. Finally went to the doctor who prescribed losec. I was hesitant at first but started it. Amazing results. He was back to being happy and smiling and I could put him down and leave him rather than carrying him around. Last week I was at the natropath who gave me a natural powder to try that 'worked wonders'. I swaped over and after two days of back to screaming and all the same symptoms have gone straight back to the Losec. I felt bad for having him on meds at a young age but after trying the 'natural' approach and seeing him is such agony, I would definately recommed Losec or similar.
Our little boy is 9 weeks today. From about three weeks he has been suffering the exact same symptoms. Tried upright feeds and all the natural methods etc. Finally went to the doctor who prescribed losec. I was hesitant at first but started it. Amazing results. .
Thank you for your post. I am a bit hesitant also but I just can't stand seeing her in pain. How long did it take before you started seeing results? DD has only started today so I assume it will take a while before there is any change.
binadwill
09-01-2008, 17:36
we started on 5mg in the tablet for that had to crush up and give mixed with water via dropper once a day. That was interesting let me tell you!!! A friend of mine is a pharmacist and told me about compounding chemists. They make the Losec into liquid form so it is so much easier. That probably took only about two days to kick in fully. I started to notice after a couple of feeds that he wasn't suffering as much. Also be careful not to miss a dose. I give it at night as he seems to sleep much sounder (he's not good at night). One night he went down earlier than normal and I let him through without giving him the dose until the next morning. That day he had some symtpoms until afternoon.
Now that he's 5kgs we've just gone up to 2mg of liquid per day.
I actually stopped breast feeding because I thought that all of problems were my nipples. He's now on Karicare Gold which he's seems happy with but I am feeling alittle guilty for taking him off the breast as no one advised me of the symptoms, therefore I believe that my breasts were causing him the problems.
If you are in Brisbane I know a few compoudning chemists if you need.
2sweetgirls
09-01-2008, 18:54
we started on 5mg in the tablet for that had to crush up and give mixed with water via dropper once a day. That was interesting let me tell you!!! A friend of mine is a pharmacist and told me about compounding chemists. They make the Losec into liquid form so it is so much easier. That probably took only about two days to kick in fully. I started to notice after a couple of feeds that he wasn't suffering as much. Also be careful not to miss a dose. I give it at night as he seems to sleep much sounder (he's not good at night). One night he went down earlier than normal and I let him through without giving him the dose until the next morning. That day he had some symtpoms until afternoon.
Now that he's 5kgs we've just gone up to 2mg of liquid per day.
I actually stopped breast feeding because I thought that all of problems were my nipples. He's now on Karicare Gold which he's seems happy with but I am feeling alittle guilty for taking him off the breast as no one advised me of the symptoms, therefore I believe that my breasts were causing him the problems.
If you are in Brisbane I know a few compoudning chemists if you need.
omg never crush the losec tablet, you only ever add water as the little beads need to stay in tact.
it can take up to 2 weeks to see any significant change.
binadwill
09-01-2008, 19:26
yeah, glady that we know that now. How ever both GP and chemist initially told us to crush tablet. Very hard when your first timers, you do what the 'profesisonals' tell you. We did actually see results in two days. Glad now that we are on the liquid.:)
I managed to get the liquid today so thank god I don't have the added stress of using a tablet!! So far DD has had her first dose earlier today which she managed to keep down but I just gave her the second and she bought most if not all back up. Should I give her another dose or half or just leave it as is? When do you think the best time is to administer the Losec? Before a feed, after or inbetween feeds???? I am aware that she is supposed to have it at the same time each day.
michelleR
09-01-2008, 20:06
My son had all the problems you have mentioned you DD has. Was she a premature baby? My son was, and it took a while for his gut to mature properly and therefore digest properly. It is heartbreaking seeing your child in pain isnt it :hugs:.
We tried switching from S26 to NanGold and it made him worse. And constipated, even after 1 week. Have you thought about Goats Milk Formula? I did a bit of research on it, and it is supposed to be similar to breast milk and therefore gentle on babies tummy. Using this formula and Brauers Colic Relief as a combination worked a treat! We were back to getting sleep and DS was happy again.
Just thought I would share my experience with you. Goodluck, there is light at the end of the tunnel, it wont last forever :).
binadwill
09-01-2008, 20:24
I give the Losec prior to the feed at night, ie, I've just fed at 6.30 and gave it at 6.00. That seems to work for us. On some occasions I have given it right before the feed. However I am lucky that my boy doesn't vomit (yet, touch wood!).
Mrs Little
10-01-2008, 11:12
Glad to hear you got the liquid. Some mum's don't find the suspension form as affective, but it's so much easier to administer. So it's worth a shot. Make sure your GP has prescribed the dose to match your DD's weight. As she increases her weight, make sure the GP keeps the doses increasing too.
I found, after speaking to many knowledgable mum's here on BH, that reflux meds are best given before a feed. About 30 mins before. I couldn't ever get my son to wait 30 mins, and his feeds were always directly after his sleep. So i would give him his feed 10 mins after his meds. It made a huge difference in the meds. It seemed to work better that way.
Don't give another dose if she vomits...because you really never know how much of the meds she has actually brought up. Wait till the next scheduled dose.
Do you know about mylanta?
Mrs Little & Sons.
Do you know about mylanta?
Mrs Little & Sons.
No, I don't really kow anything about Mylanta. Also is the Losec supposed to stop the vomiting or does it just help with the pain from the vomiting? My GP did explain it to me but I would really appreciate hearing it again (in laymans terms :confused:).
Mrs Little
11-01-2008, 00:08
Hi There.
Mylanta is an antacid that will give temporary pain relief for refluxers. There are some guidelines that go with it's use...(Amy is best with these...but i'll give it a shot!).
1. Never give mylanta 1 hr either side of giving zoton (or any other reflux medication).
2. Try to give it to them when they are going down for a sleep...will help them sleep a bit better and then give enough pain relief that they feed better at the next feed.
3. Try not to give mylanta right before a feed, as the feed will only wash the mylanta away- and therefore not be as affective.
4. After the 2 week wait for the reflux meds to work..you shouldn't need mylanta any more. If you do..seek medical advice again as the meds are not strong enough.
I was told by Tresillian that for a really bad refluxer you could give up to 5 mls of mylanta. But i was never game enough to use that much. I would use 3 mls when it was HELLISH bad...and then 1.5mls when needed. You can use mylanta for short term use. But it is not for long term use as it has a lot of metal in it (sorry brain dead...late at night..i think it's metal...lol).
Losec will only stop the pain that comes from vomiting. Unfortunately there isn't much that can stop vomiting other than time/growth, solids and thickener if you use it. (I don't suggest thickener...).
You are now offically in the 2 week wait for reflux meds to work....i hate these 2 weeks!! Hopefully the meds kick in sooner for your little one. My boys responded to reflux meds within 4-5 days. By 2 weeks, it was great. The drug may stop the pain of relfuxing within a few days...but if the refluxing has caused some damage in her throat/oesophegus- then that could take a while to heal and may still make feeding an issue. So hang in there!!
Mrs Little & Sons.
Hi There.
Mylanta is an antacid that will give temporary pain relief for refluxers. There are some guidelines that go with it's use...(Amy is best with these...but i'll give it a shot!).
1. Never give mylanta 1 hr either side of giving zoton (or any other reflux medication).
2. Try to give it to them when they are going down for a sleep...will help them sleep a bit better and then give enough pain relief that they feed better at the next feed.
3. Try not to give mylanta right before a feed, as the feed will only wash the mylanta away- and therefore not be as affective.
4. After the 2 week wait for the reflux meds to work..you shouldn't need mylanta any more. If you do..seek medical advice again as the meds are not strong enough.
I was told by Tresillian that for a really bad refluxer you could give up to 5 mls of mylanta. But i was never game enough to use that much. I would use 3 mls when it was HELLISH bad...and then 1.5mls when needed. You can use mylanta for short term use. But it is not for long term use as it has a lot of metal in it (sorry brain dead...late at night..i think it's metal...lol).
Losec will only stop the pain that comes from vomiting. Unfortunately there isn't much that can stop vomiting other than time/growth, solids and thickener if you use it. (I don't suggest thickener...).
You are now offically in the 2 week wait for reflux meds to work....i hate these 2 weeks!! Hopefully the meds kick in sooner for your little one. My boys responded to reflux meds within 4-5 days. By 2 weeks, it was great. The drug may stop the pain of relfuxing within a few days...but if the refluxing has caused some damage in her throat/oesophegus- then that could take a while to heal and may still make feeding an issue. So hang in there!!
Mrs Little & Sons.
Spot on Mrs. Little... it's aluminium....
there was talk about formulating Mylanta without the Aluminium content but i haven't seen it yet...
Did you know that the Mylanta in America have one for children without the Aluminium... it's based on calcium carbonate which is soooooooo much better.... I ask myself why isn't it here yet?... BUGGER!!!
x x
Ladies, I need your help again. I am at my wits end. DD has been on the Losec for 5 days and I have seen no change, if anything she seems worse. It is like she is just holding the vomit in her throat and her eyes are all watery and red and she is just waiting to puke everywhere, this goes on for about an hour after the feed until it finally all comes back up. I know I am supposed to wait the 2 weeks but even the doc said there should be a difference within 48 hours of the meds. The problem is that she just hates the medication!! She either spits it out, throws it up and she gets so distressed and upset. I hate giving it to her, it does more harm than good.
I would like to know your thoughts on Gaviscon For Infants? I have read it is a good alternative to meds and it also helps keep the feed down. She is also off the Karicare LF and onto the Karicare Gold as of yesterday. I am wondering if I should just stop the meds and see if the new formula makes any difference instead of pumping her full of these drugs!!!!???? I just don't know what to do!!! I hate giving her the Losec, it just seems so .....medicated!!! I know that probably sounds pathetic but I am at a loss.
Oh hun...
Keep with it... this is the toughest time.... You are right though... You should have seen somewhat of an improvement... It may be a dosage problem... Either not enough or as you said... not getting it effectively..
It is like she is just holding the vomit in her throat and her eyes are all watery and red and she is just waiting to puke everywhere, this goes on for about an hour after the feed until it finally all comes back upTry a thickener as well as the losec.... Give it it's 2 weeks to ensure it's had it's time...
You can stay on the karicare gold... the Infant gaviscon is good... Pricey for longterm use though... Give per 'breastfeeding instructions' as advised by my paed as this ensures that bub's has got it...It thickens the contents once they are in the tummy and it's made out of seaweed extract... It's completely natural...
If bub doesn't drink all of the bottle then at least you 'what's in there' will stay down... with luck!!!
Is she in noticable pain? or is it the actual brining up of the contents that is 'upsetting her'? Do you know what i mean?
Is she doing anything else hun?
x x
ETA:
To make sure you get all the possible help you can.... Start a new thread hun with a different title, but one that will grab attention... Cheers x x
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