Help Please!

[beetlgrl]

:banghead: hello ladies.
i was hopeng to get some of ur opinions on wot i should do with bubs, she is 4 months and refuses to sleep without being wrapped! the problem is im up at least 2 to 3 times a night re wrapping her because she has unwrapped herself and knocked the dummy out! so im not getting alot of sleep.. I did go and buy an adjustable wrap but she still pulls her hands up.Im not sure wot to do as i have read on a few sites that u should stop wrapping bubs as soon as they can roll.So im a lil worried.is this true?will she out grow wrapping on her own?

[Mrs Little]

Bettlegrl...

i will be watching this thread....i too am curious to know what to do. I successfully unwrapped my son for about a month....but we had sleep problems...and had to go back to it.

I'm constantly having to re-wrap my son at night because he moves around so much..and he is starting to roll....he also pulls the wrap up so it covers his mouth and i'm so worried about it suffocating him.

I too would be interested in any help or answers!

Mrs Little & Son.

[jasminesmum]

They are little houdinis. Its amazing you can wrap them so tight and within 5 mins their little hands are back again.

I wrapped my dd until she was 5mths and had to give up. I did it gradually by not wrapping her at first during the day.
After about 3 days she slowly got use to it. It was hard at first and she didnt sleep for very long cause she kept waking herself up by knocking her dummy out.
But we got there.
After about 2 wks we did it at night time. Had no trouble at all. Thank goodness. I think by that time she was used to not being wrapped during the day.

Good luck.

Michelle:)

[my babyemmy]

I have some huge home made wraps made from muslin cotton (my MIL made them so im sorry if i have gotten the name wrong) my DD is still wrapped at 8 months & she still loves it, because her wraps are so big she hardly ever gets her arms out.Im not sure how long i will wrap her for maybe til she is a teenager:laughing: I dont really think that there is a time limit on wrapping, well if there is Ive never heard of it. Do what you feel is right:hugs:

[jasminesmum]

I forgot to add. I also used one of those wedge things. I think it made her feel more secure and stopped her rolling around so much. Eventually got rid of it too.

[O&GMUM]

If they can roll wrapped i think you need to start leaving one arm out so they can push up and turn their heads, I wrapped my two until they where 9 months, then went to a grobag.
I had one of those safe and sound things that stop them rolling(goes under their back and theres a roll on either side.
By 9 months they where really protesting being wrapped and I new they where ready to be free!!! (wrap free that is):laughing:

[Cilli]

Hi there

I had the same problem with my bub when he was about 3 months, he started unwrapping himself - and I was up half the night rewrapping him!! not fun...

My Maternal Health Nurse said to stop wrapping about 4 months or when they can roll - so we just bit the bullet and stopped wrapping as we figured we were getting up so often to rewrap anyway.

It took a couple of nights but once he got used to it he was fine. We now use either a sleeping bag, or on hot nights do a 'half wrap' with a muslin ie leaving his arms out.

Good luck with it!

[Rhys'Mum]

My 8 month old simply will not sleep without being wrapped and given the trouble we had getting sleep happening I am not inclined to fight him over it. He is also a master at getting his hands out of the traditional wrap. So, we have moved to a system recommended by Sheyne Rowley (one of the sleep experts we spoke with), the Wonder Wrap and the Safe T Sleep.:smiliedance: :smiliedance:

The Wonder Wrap was designed by a mother who had just our problem. The arms are wrapped separately and the material goes underneath them and then is tucked in to the fabric wrapped around his body. Its great for my little man because he likes to suck his wrapped up hands (really gross but whatever works) his hands can be wrapped up near his head, they stay wrapped, he can move them around a little but can't bash himself or play with his blankies. Because he is able to roll we use a Safe T Wrap. It was designed by the NZ equivalent of Trisillion and it is fabric that secures to the cot mattress and then has a tube of fabic that velcroes around them. It was quite pricey but can be used with a normal bed when we travel so we really don't need the portacot. I was a bit freaked the first time I saw him all trussed up, it is a bit like putting him in a straight jacket, but he's happy and he sleeps.:p

You can check out WonderWrap at http://www.britobaby.com.au and Safe T Sleep at http://www.safetsleep.com.

[mariafresnel]

Hi,

My daughter Sophia couldn't sleep unwrapped. Despite numerous attempts at trying, half wrapped, unwrapped etc.

First of all I weaned her off the dummy. It took 5 days/nights and then she slept without it from 6 months on. Then it was the wrap, but she appeared to feel more secure being wrapped, and we spent so much energy trying to help her to sleep unwrapped, that she became distressed and over tired, and would settle immediately when being wrapped.

When she was small we used the Lalito wraps, you can even by them from Target these days. They look like bat wings. But when she was big enough these didn't go around. So that's when we started using the cotton top sheets of a cot sheet set, as per Tresillian. We went there for 7 days for her fussy feeding and sleeping. That's when I started using the Tresillian Method (and even sent photos to mums on bub hub for the step by step technqiue. The method not only includes the wrap, but a top sheet which is folded a certain way to keep bub in. She didn't move, and couldn't move, and slept.

When she was old enough, we used the www.saveoursleep.com.au techniques which encourage a 'lay down' technique. We don't subscribe to CC as she became too distressed and it wasn't worth her vomiting when she thought we were leaving her. Anyway, it took us 7 days to coach/teach Sophia how to fall asleep without the wrap, as well as resettle. Albeit at 13 months. So the moral of our particular story was that Sophia did thing as she was ready, despite there being loads of information to suggest that 'the right age to unwrap is xyz months'. So we followed our bub as the guide, despite trying to follow the mainstream of what the experts and books suggested.

LEt me know if there is anything else I can help with.
maria

[mariafresnel]

This is the post re: Tresillian wrap method. If anyone would like the photos that make this long winded instruction manual make sense, please email me, and I'll forward them:

Cut and Copy from a previous forum:

It looks like you've just sent your post, so hope this helps. Our bub is 11 months old, and she is still a severe reflux baby.

DUMMY
She was given a dummy from birth, however, at 6 months I decided that getting up at night to put it back in, not to mention her broken sleep was not acceptable, so I decided to wean her off it. One thing I learnt from going to Tresillian was that they belive it takes a baby (through us) 5 days to create a habit and 5 days to break it. So with this knowledge and reading from Robin Barker's 'teaching to sleep' in Baby Love, as well as Tizzie Hall (www.saveoursleep.com?au?) that I needed to persist with the crying and fussing while I was weaning her off it. As it turned out the first night I didn't give her the dummy it took 40mins of crying etc, and then 20 the next time she woke up. By the end of the week, she was self settling. SUcking a dummy creates additonal acids in the stomach, which isn't particularly useful for a reflux baby. Summary, just stick with the weaning and continue to pat to sleep. I didn't and don't subscribe to control crying, but everyone is different with their choices.

WRAP
Given that she is a bigger baby, Iused the Tresillian technique of wrapping a bigger baby, and SOphia stayed in her wrap, as well as where I put her from around 7pm to 6/7am in the morning. Here is the technique:

1. cot is made up as normal i.e fitted sheet and then top sheet. I leave the side that i put baby in, undone of the top sheet, so that i can put that top sheet on top of baby plus the wrap around sheet.

2. the wrap around sheet is what envelopes the baby in her wrap, and essentially is the key to not getting out of the wrap or moving around. I fold the sheet (baby cot 'cot flat sheet' used as the wrap) long ways, so that I have enough to put under the mattress (roll/fold a bit of the sheet at the tip of where you will tuck it under the mattress and pull it so there is a bit of grip when tucked under the mattress. this is important because when you pull it across the baby to do the final tuck under the mattress you want to make sure it doesn't come out from under the mattres). Once you've tucked it in under the mattress (pref the side that you put the baby in), you flatten the sheet out across the bed, so if you were to put your baby on it, their back would be in the middle (head and feet out). Once you've put them in the middle you will bring the excess over across the baby (adjust baby as pullng tis wrap around sheet tilts them a bit) and tuck under the mattress. I wrap my baby on my bed or sometimes in the cot, and then put them in the middle of this wrap around sheet, pull the sheet over and tuck it under the mattress, then pull the top sheet across for double secure grip.

3. I wrap Sophia in a flat sheet from a cotton cot sheet set (as per Tresillian do), as it makes sure I have enough to go around her, and length on her feet also.

The benefits of wrapping are (for us sleep deprived mums):

1. Given that our babies are stronger and smarter than when they were tiny babes, they can wiggle their way out of the wrap (that's why we need to use a sheet).

2. the wrap around sheet makes sure that they dont' roll which makes sure it's safe for our older babies.

3. they are able to sleep for longer periods, without the temptation of rolling around and playing, and therefore not sleeping when they should be.

Downsides:

1. SOmetimes with the amount of sheets and top sheets etc I've got on her, she gets hot, so what i've resorted to is always (no matter what the weather) only put her in a jump suit (legless). If it's colder I add 'light' blankets for warmth, otherwise she gets to hot and sweaty and wakes up. Colder nights I put long sleeve one and warmer nights, short sleeve. So we've got this one under control now.

2. Sometimes may cry and want to get out. I gage the cry, only if it's a hysterical cry (not many of these any more as she now knows that this is the way she goes to sleep), I pick her up and unwrap her, give her a cuddle, offer water, then re wrap and put back down, and walk out after giving her a kiss.

ELIMINATING WRAP
I found that at 7 months I wanted to try 'no wrap' sleeping, but found it a little difficult to just put her in the cot, without her waking after 20 minutes and crawling around. What I did invest in, and allowed us to 'migrate' her from her wrap to still sleeping enclosed (if you like) is a 'grobag'. They are armless sleeping bags. I put her in the grobag, and used the wrap around sheet technique. THis allowed her to keep her arms free, yet not able to move up or down in her cot. REmember the wrap around sheet is the safety sheet, which prevents the baby from moving around unsafely. Also I re-implemented the wrap when Sophia was over tired; teething and not well, at these times she fell asleep within minutes of being wrapped, so I always use it as a 'last resort'. ALso remember that it might be an idea to do without the wrap only when you think your baby is ready for it, it doesn't have to be when the books say. For example SOphia is 11 months, and I'm only trying it today for her to sleep without it, so far at 10.24pm so good! If she wakes though tonight and cannot get back to sleep I will wrap her, and I will try again tomorrow, until she learns...slowly and without crying is my objective for her.

COT IN ROOM
Sophia has slept in her cot, in her room, from birth. We have a monitor so that I can check on her breathing etc. BUt my personal opinion is that if you have the space, it's a good idea to move your bub out of your room soon. Remember, it might be an idea to implement one change at a time, so that your bub is not too disoriented. So maybe you could wean off the dummy first; keep baby in the wrap whilst they're in their own room, then after a little while try eliminating if you feel that your baby is ready, or do it in stages for example eliminate for day sleeps to see how they go, and still keep night sleeps...and progress from there.

Ok, let me know your thoughts and how you go. All the best for a good night, (End of Cut and Copy)

[Charmain]

I had the same problem with little jade. summer was also starting and around xmas time i thought this has to stop! i started wrapping with one arm out and it made it a little easier to wrap her and she seemed to sleep ok. then after a few weeks i tried 2 arms and that took a little getting used to but after a couple of weeks we got there. eventually it was so hot one night i took the wrap away all together and now jade is fine and really gets around the cot!

good luck:thumbsup:

[Smurfette]

As you know, I recently stopped wrapping Olivia. She is 6 months and I really was concerned that I was still wrapping her and got myself quite distraught about it on a number of occasions. In the end, I just went with the flow. I had tried previously to stop wrapping, but to no avail. She hated it. In the end she would just lay there and let me wrap her and very rarely got her arms out.

For the last couple of weeks before she stopped being wrapped, she would have her arms out before I had got her down into her cot. This was when I knew I had to stop, SHE was ready. I put her to bed one night, expecting the worse, however she surprised me and had no problems at all. Since then, and its been about a week and a half, I have had no problems. I still wrap her bottom half and put her in an anti-roll pillow. Although, the other morning I got up and I knew she was awake, but she was very quiet, I poked my head in her room and she was on her belly, out of her roll and holding herself up. Very clever, she looked so cute, have no idea how she did it though.

Good luck, I know how frustrating it can be. In the end, they will grow out of it. What do you wrap her with. I used a cot sheet. A fairly thick cotton sheet, they usually have a better grip then thin ones.