Children Herded Into Couthouse For Forced Vaccinations

[AM]

Children herded like cattle into Maryland courthouse for forced vaccinations as armed police and attack dogs stand guard :no:

www.newstarget.com/022267.html


This is SO wrong, on so many levels.:thumbsdown:

[Chickadee]

A New York Times article on the same event (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/18vaccine.html?ref=us), with a less emotional, less outraged viewpoint.

[missie_mack]

Later in the day, after the line had diminished, Remy Durham brought her son, Lamonte Hyter, 18, to have his chickenpox vaccination. Mr. Hyter had spent six days out of school and two doing make-up work after the county said his health records were lacking proof that he had had chickenpox when he was younger.
“We weren’t upset. We knew he needed to have the shot,” Ms. Durham said before talking with health care workers. “And we didn’t want him or anyone else infecting other people.”

If the affected people were fully informed they would know a simple blood test can verify that he has the antibodies and that the injections was unneccessary.

[sam's mum]

well there is certainly a big difference between the emotive scaremongering and the journalism.

the first guy fails to mention quite a lot of things - such as the availability of exemptions, and lies about others....

[Stepfordmum]

Its amazing how two storys on the same thing can differ soo...

Thanks for the new link Chickadee!

I think Vaccinations so be more "encouraged" here too.

[jembelina]

I read both articles and while I can see the differences I still think it is a disgusting situation!

[tanni_83]

How is it legal :confused:

[~Alicia]

That's what I want to know Tan.

:mad:

[tanni_83]

Even though im a pro vax mum, i still dont agree with what they are doing :no: how horrific, those poor children and their parents!!! :(

[Tam-I-Am]

Its legal because they're not forcing anybody to have it done - its my understanding that America has similar grounds as Australia for conscientious objection - ie medical and religious/philosophical reasons.

Those who object conscientiously weren't the object of this exercise - it was the parents who had 'forgotten' or who were simply to lazy to get their kids immunised.

Laziness is NOT a good reason for children to go unvaccinated. I have no problem with people choosing to have their children unvaccinated after serious research and consideration - but for them just to have 'not been bothered' - that's just not good enough.

TBH, I think repercussions like this should apply in Australia to those who just can't be bothered too.

[prideNJoy]

Well then maybe it should swing both ways...To me, being too lazy to vaccinate is just as bad as vaccinating without researching at all. Perhaps there should also be repercussions for the parents who blindly vaccinate their children without doing their own research too!

[missie_mack]

I know in my area if you fall behind in your vaccinations they will knock on your door and offer to do it then and there after a couple unanswered reminders.....

[bindiloo]

Its legal because they're not forcing anybody to have it done.

Those who object conscientiously weren't the object of this exercise - it was the parents who had 'forgotten' or who were simply to lazy to get their kids immunised.



I couldnt find where that was actually written in the article:confused:

[missie_mack]

Well then maybe it should swing both ways...To me, being too lazy to vaccinate is just as bad as vaccinating without researching at all. Perhaps there should also be repercussions for the parents who blindly vaccinate their children without doing their own research too!

Good point!!

Really people are within their rights to be lazy if vaccination isnt compulsary. Send out the reminder notices and all that... but ultimately it should be up to the parent to decide when and where not the government.
Nobody orders people to arrive in a courthouse to do their taxes if they are being lazy and havent got around to them...

[sam's mum]

Good point!!
Nobody orders people to arrive in a courthouse to do their taxes if they are being lazy and havent got around to them...

actually they can do exactly that. It is a legal requirement to lodge a tax return, and there are penalties for not doing so. It is just that the ATO chooses to encourage lodgement rather than prosecute (in most circumstances).


parents prove that the children had already been immunized in accordance with state law.

This year, the State of Maryland added the requirement that children have shots for hepatitis B and chickenpox in addition to other vaccinations including polio, mumps and measles.

“We want to get the kids back in school, not put the parents in jail,” Mr. Ivey said. He added that exemptions were allowed on medical and religious grounds.

State law requires immunisation and there are exemptions for medical and religious, but not for conscientious objections.

[Stepfordmum]

Its legal because they're not forcing anybody to have it done - its my understanding that America has similar grounds as Australia for conscientious objection - ie medical and religious/philosophical reasons.

Those who object conscientiously weren't the object of this exercise - it was the parents who had 'forgotten' or who were simply to lazy to get their kids immunised.

Laziness is NOT a good reason for children to go unvaccinated. I have no problem with people choosing to have their children unvaccinated after serious research and consideration - but for them just to have 'not been bothered' - that's just not good enough.

TBH, I think repercussions like this should apply in Australia to those who just can't be bothered too.


i agree with you..

[UmmInayah]

The differences in the articles just prove you can't believe everything you read on the internet!

[missie_mack]

actually they can do exactly that. It is a legal requirement to lodge a tax return, and there are penalties for not doing so. It is just that the ATO chooses to encourage lodgement rather than prosecute (in most circumstances).

Of course they can but my point is that they don't....

[sam's mum]

Of course they can but my point is that they don't....

they probably do more often than they round people up for immunizations in Maryland, it is just that we don't do bulk prosecutions, but you can do bulk immunizations.

it also doesn't get as much press in the regular press because the level of interest just isn't there. it happens, you just don't hear about it.

[stellarella]

Maybe there should be repercussions for parents who are too lazy to research vaccination so they just go along with the herd...to me that is just as bad as being too lazy to go along for the vaccinations in the first place.

An uninformed decision either way is not acceptable...unfortunately we support uninformed immunisation in this country and around the world and uninformed parents are patted on the back but even informed non-vaxers are abused.

This sounds very hypocritical to me...but then when has the immunisation issue ever not been hypocritical?

[neostudded]

Maybe there should be repercussions for parents who are too lazy to research vaccination so they just go along with the herd...to me that is just as bad as being too lazy to go along for the vaccinations in the first place.

An uninformed decision either way is not acceptable...unfortunately we support uninformed immunisation in this country and around the world and uninformed parents are patted on the back but even informed non-vaxers are abused.

This sounds very hypocritical to me...but then when has the immunisation issue ever not been hypocritical?
I completely agree with you :iagree:

[shed]

Laziness is NOT a good reason for children to go unvaccinated. I have no problem with people choosing to have their children unvaccinated after serious research and consideration - but for them just to have 'not been bothered' - that's just not good enough.

TBH, I think repercussions like this should apply in Australia to those who just can't be bothered too.

I agree, very slack. Although they do withhold the immunisation allowance for unvaxed status without an conscientious objection, so that is a penalty of sorts.

[prideNJoy]

Well then maybe it should swing both ways...To me, being too lazy to vaccinate is just as bad as vaccinating without researching at all. Perhaps there should also be repercussions for the parents who blindly vaccinate their children without doing their own research too!



Maybe there should be repercussions for parents who are too lazy to research vaccination so they just go along with the herd...to me that is just as bad as being too lazy to go along for the vaccinations in the first place.



:laughing: Great minds think alike!!

[prideNJoy]

CONT.....

Parents Told To Get Kids Vaccinated Or Go To Jail (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/12/4/parents-told-to-get-kids-vaccinated-or-go-to-jail.aspx)

I think the AAPS's (The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) Kathryn Serkes deserves a :yelclap::thumbsup: !!!

[missie_mack]

Its legal because they're not forcing anybody to have it done - its my understanding that America has similar grounds as Australia for conscientious objection - ie medical and religious/philosophical reasons.

Those who object conscientiously weren't the object of this exercise - it was the parents who had 'forgotten' or who were simply to lazy to get their kids immunised.

Ive done some more research since this article first come to light and the above is NOT the case.

The only exemptions being applied are ONLY for medical purposes or religious reasons. Philosophical reasons or personal (non religious) beliefs do not count and anyone who has these would be looking at possible jail time
As per the Marylands Immunization Form (http://www1.pgcps.org/WorkArea/showcontent.aspx?id=31592)

I wonder if this now changes peoples opinions of what is happening in Maryland :detective:

[itssunday]

we in this country still use mercury to preserve vaccines ( it is out lawed in other countries because of what it does to the brain).
here is just one bit of info for you if you are at all interested. this is scientific study from university.
YouTube - How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Damage - Uni ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8)
How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration University of ...
Watch video (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DAAU_enAU236AU236&q=youtube%3a+How+mercury+causes+brain+damage+Unive rsity+of+Calgary#) - 4 min 23 sec -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8)

after you see this you'll see why we now have an epidemic of autism,adhd,aspergers, etc and many auto immune diseases here.
also if you actually do your research you will see that polio etc declined long before vaccinations came into action due to better hygeine ( washing of hands in hospitals etc etc) the only known cases of polio recorded in the last 20 years were a result by the polio vaccine, this is documented in medical journels !!!( one of the many cases wre they say there are risks with vaccinations but they are rare! ptth my child is rare) do your research people!! also do you even know how they make vaccines? they have to be cultured in a liver... i'll let you find out for yourself what liver they use and where they get it from if you want to be actually informed. its disgusting, a big money making scheme by the drug companies. not everything the govt does is good and to be just followed without question. there will be apologies for vaccines in the years to come just like there have been apologies for the stolen generation and other so called brilliant govt scemes.
dont get me wrong
there are many things i love about our govt. but i do not just blindly follow especially where my children are concerned

[itssunday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq7FSYYVMEU

[sam's mum]

we in this country still use mercury to preserve vaccines ( it is out lawed in other countries because of what it does to the brain).


thiomersal (ethylmercury) is used in some vaccinations in Australia, but not in any of the vaccinations that are given to children under five. therefore vaccination of children under 5 will not introduce mercury into their bodies.

[prideNJoy]

thiomersal (ethylmercury) is used in some vaccinations in Australia, but not in any of the vaccinations that are given to children under five. therefore vaccination of children under 5 will not introduce mercury into their bodies.

Not if they have the Flu Vaccine though. That still has mercury in it. And they give them to toddlers.

[sam's mum]

Not if they have the Flu Vaccine though. That still has mercury in it. And they give them to toddlers.

yep, that's because it isn't a vaccination for kids under 5, it is the same vaccination that is given to adults. they don't do a separate one for kids because it isn't part of the regular schedule.

[bindiloo]

we in this country still use mercury to preserve vaccines ( it is out lawed in other countries because of what it does to the brain).
here is just one bit of info for you if you are at all interested. this is scientific study from university.
YouTube - How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Damage - Uni ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8)
How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration University of ...
Watch video (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DAAU_enAU236AU236&q=youtube%3a+How+mercury+causes+brain+damage+Unive rsity+of+Calgary#) - 4 min 23 sec -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8)

after you see this you'll see why we now have an epidemic of autism,adhd,aspergers, etc and many auto immune diseases here.
also if you actually do your research you will see that polio etc declined long before vaccinations came into action due to better hygeine ( washing of hands in hospitals etc etc) the only known cases of polio recorded in the last 20 years were a result by the polio vaccine, this is documented in medical journels !!!( one of the many cases wre they say there are risks with vaccinations but they are rare! ptth my child is rare) do your research people!! also do you even know how they make vaccines? they have to be cultured in a liver... i'll let you find out for yourself what liver they use and where they get it from if you want to be actually informed. its disgusting, a big money making scheme by the drug companies. not everything the govt does is good and to be just followed without question. there will be apologies for vaccines in the years to come just like there have been apologies for the stolen generation and other so called brilliant govt scemes.
dont get me wrong
there are many things i love about our govt. but i do not just blindly follow especially where my children are concerned

Been there said that, goodluck if you get thru to those on here who think the vaxes and govt are the ants pants and angels of truth.:rolleyes:
It gets tiring eventually you give up.

[Harriet]

thiomersal (ethylmercury) is used in some vaccinations in Australia, but not in any of the vaccinations that are given to children under five. therefore vaccination of children under 5 will not introduce mercury into their bodies.

Is this true? Cos I did a (very) quick google and found sites that say thimersal is still in at least some of the shots given to newborns. Would be grateful if you could post some evidence to support your claim. Not being argumentative, just like to see facts:yes:

[missie_mack]

As per the MJA thiomersal can be found in these standard vax's


Diptheria Toxoid Vaccines
Diphtheria Vacc (Adsorbed)
Diphtheria Vacc (Adsorbed) (Adult)

Hepatitis B Vaccines

Engerix - B
Engerix- B (Paediatric)

Influenza Vaccines
Fluarix
Influvac(but only in batches made prior to Feb 05)

Tetanus Vaccines
Tet-Tox


It can also be found in travel Vax's
Je-Vax (for Japanese encephalitis)
Q-Vax (for Q Fever)

[sam's mum]

As per the MJA thiomersal can be found in these standard vax's


Diptheria Toxoid Vaccines
Diphtheria Vacc (Adsorbed)
Diphtheria Vacc (Adsorbed) (Adult)

Hepatitis B Vaccines

Engerix - B
Engerix- B (Paediatric)

Influenza Vaccines
Fluarix
Influvac(but only in batches made prior to Feb 05)

Tetanus Vaccines
Tet-Tox


It can also be found in travel Vax's
Je-Vax (for Japanese encephalitis)
Q-Vax (for Q Fever)






it was on MJA that it says that it isn't anymore.

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/184_04_200206/eld10500_fm.html


A recent study assessed whether multiple vaccinations can lead to mercury accumulation.6 In full-term infants exposed to vaccines containing thiomersal, mercury concentrations detected in blood (range, 2.85–20.55 nmol/L) were well below the level thought to be associated with adverse effects. Additionally, ethylmercury appears to be eliminated via the gastrointestinal tract soon after exposure (estimated half-life, 7 days).6 Because the developing fetus and low birthweight babies are more vulnerable to toxic effects of mercury, it has been suggested that exposure to vaccines containing thiomersal at time of birth may pose some risk in very low birthweight premature infants.6 To minimise any potential risk, all vaccinations in the Australian Standard Vaccination Schedule for children younger than 5 years are now thiomersal-free or contain only trace amounts.7

[missie_mack]

Just at a quick look I had a look at the information leaflet for Energerix B produced by Glaxo SmithKlein and it says that it does contain small amounts of it ....

I guess you gotta decide who you believe. The manufacturers current data or the medical journals article :detective:

[Harriet]

Oh Pony, I wish you would:yes:

Thanks for posting that link Sam's Mum:) Conflicting information is so annoying!