Political adverts

[Baldie's Mum]

Just wondering......

Does anyone take any notice of the adds that happen at election time????

I will put a simple poll in so its easy for everyone.

xoxoxoxoxox

[IAdoreYou]

I do!

I especially love Under every single Labour Government in history, interest rates have been higher then 10+%

Go Libs!

[~Bec~]

I hate hate hate hate hate political ads. All they do is insult my intelligence. Unfortunately I often don't get to the remote control in time to mute. Why do they all use the strategy of "Vote for me because the other party is cr@p". What about vote for me because I will do x, y and z? The only ad that I have seen where I didn't want to throw the remote at the telly was for The Greens. It just had Bob Brown stating what the policies were for The Greens. No ***** fights, no name calling, just "this is what we stand for". Grrrr

Don't even get me started on how much tax payers money is spent making this trash and trying to force it upon us. Do they really think someone is going to change the way they vote because of an ad??????? What does that say of a party's opinion of the intelligence of voters?????? AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I need to ban myself from this section... :mad:

[forbetoel]

I hate hate hate hate hate political ads. All they do is insult my intelligence. Unfortunately I often don't get to the remote control in time to mute. Why do they all use the strategy of "Vote for me because the other party is cr@p". What about vote for me because I will do x, y and z? The only ad that I have seen where I didn't want to throw the remote at the telly was for The Greens. It just had Bob Brown stating what the policies were for The Greens. No ***** fights, no name calling, just "this is what we stand for". Grrrr

Don't even get me started on how much tax payers money is spent making this trash and trying to force it upon us. Do they really think someone is going to change the way they vote because of an ad??????? What does that say of a party's opinion of the intelligence of voters?????? AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I need to ban myself from this section... :mad:

Thankyou....you said it all!

[IAdoreYou]

Don't even get me started on how much tax payers money is spent making this trash and trying to force it upon us.

I agree!

I also don't like how Labour have spent $20 million on a logo which is becoming VERY very old!

[SassyMummy]

I said no... but actually, they do.

Watching the liberal ads just make me want to vote labor even more... all they can manage is to whinge about unions... seriously, is that all you have Mr Howard? :rolleyes:

[Baldie's Mum]

I need to ban myself from this section...


if you do that where else would you go at 11:20pm on a tuesday night for a little pazaz in your life!!!!!!! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
i know i cant think of anywhere else!!!!!! :laughing:

[~Bec~]

It's 10:24 in Qld :D
Don't forget Qld is a little behind in some things...
I should be in bed though - df, ds and I all have raging colds at the moment.

[Baldie's Mum]

ohhhhhh my bad.....:o still, bh is a great place to stimulate minds......(something i definatly dont need at this hour!):hugs:

now off to bed for you! we want you better!!!!! BE GONE COLD BE GONE!!!!! :D

[IAdoreYou]

well, its 10.42pm here now in Qld and I'm going to bed ... to many labour supportors awake ;)

just having FUN .. I knew I could get some here before bed ...

:wave:

[Baldie's Mum]

night night fellow liberal supporter. its all funa dn games......until a country is run by unions! ( i was just having a stab at all the ads, promise)

[RedPanda]

I hate the ad where the woman is talking to the cameras saying "Mr Howard, you had eleven years to do something about climate change, and you didn't. Now you're going to retire and hand over the job to Mr Costello, who I wouldn't vote for as PM" etc etc. It's a Labor ad (I'm pretty sure).

I don't hate it because of political reasons (I never express my preferences on here!), but the woman has SUCH a nasally voice. Sends shivers up my spine. Years ago there was another one that annoyed me - I think it was the Victorian Liberal Party's one. It had cheesy music and was just terrible!

[IAdoreYou]

I hate the ad where the woman is talking to the cameras saying "Mr Howard, you had eleven years to do something about climate change, and you didn't. Now you're going to retire and hand over the job to Mr Costello, who I wouldn't vote for as PM" etc etc. It's a Labor ad (I'm pretty sure).


OH her ... she is SO annoying! I feel sorry for her agent ;) night night

[Ashleigh<3]

I'm disappointed in how much paper, (glossy/shiny/$2 per piece), is being wasted.

[Ashleigh<3]

I said no... but actually, they do.

Watching the liberal ads just make me want to vote labor even more... all they can manage is to whinge about unions... seriously, is that all you have Mr Howard? :rolleyes:

I can understand how annoying that would be, but it only reminds me of one of the many reasons I will be voting liberal, because when I hear Union, I am worried.

[metalhead713]

I hate the ad where the woman is talking to the cameras saying "Mr Howard, you had eleven years to do something about climate change, and you didn't. Now you're going to retire and hand over the job to Mr Costello, who I wouldn't vote for as PM" etc etc. It's a Labor ad (I'm pretty sure).

I don't hate it because of political reasons (I never express my preferences on here!), but the woman has SUCH a nasally voice. Sends shivers up my spine. Years ago there was another one that annoyed me - I think it was the Victorian Liberal Party's one. It had cheesy music and was just terrible!

:laughing: yeah they aint the best of actors are they. Pretty lame. I chose no, because NOO I dont ever pay attention to the ads, or any ads for that matter lol.. I usually just roll my eyes and look back at what ever i was doing. I will still be voting for labor...
tis time to go little johnny howard!! Go sit at your master bush's feet ......:laughing: ;) :D :mad: :banghead:

[bronny-jane]

when I hear Union, I am worried.

just wondering why ash? i know many people who had their jobs saved and had unfair treatment turned around because of unions... from what i have gathered they do nothing but help workers... just my own experiences...

whats so bad about unions?
might add dh's "other mum" works for the unions:D after they helped her out with her problems with work...she had people trying to get her to quit..wont mention what her job was, and they used all their "power" to the point where her car and house were broken into... she was ridiculed and harrassed at work, and her "bosses" tried to put her on a contract that cut her pay severely.. and werent paying her the right amount, tried freeze her pay....heaps of problems...if i told you who she worked for your jaw would drop... anyway with the help of the union she recovered all her costs, and dignity...then they offered her a great job...

[Pippi Longstocking]

I hate hate hate hate hate political ads. All they do is insult my intelligence. Unfortunately I often don't get to the remote control in time to mute. Why do they all use the strategy of "Vote for me because the other party is cr@p". What about vote for me because I will do x, y and z? The only ad that I have seen where I didn't want to throw the remote at the telly was for The Greens. It just had Bob Brown stating what the policies were for The Greens. No ***** fights, no name calling, just "this is what we stand for". Grrrr

Don't even get me started on how much tax payers money is spent making this trash and trying to force it upon us. Do they really think someone is going to change the way they vote because of an ad??????? What does that say of a party's opinion of the intelligence of voters?????? AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I need to ban myself from this section... :mad:

Yeah! What she ^ said. They are insulting. I think people that make form political opinions based on ads shouldn't be allowed to vote!

Oh and AdoreYou, it's Labor. No "U". L.A.B.O.R. No offence, it's a pet peeve of mine :o :D

[Roopee]

I will be voting liberal, because when I hear Union, I am worried.
Yep the 'boys'(cant call them men) are already planning their first strike for the week following the election if K.Rudd wins- what over you ask? Who knows? Something was said about needing more pleasant smelling soap:rolleyes:


just wondering why ash? i know many people who had their jobs saved and had unfair treatment turned around because of unions... from what i have gathered they do nothing but help workers... just my own experiences...

Unfortunatley, not all unions are as good as that.
Some are bullies and thugs and some will do anything to get what they think they deserve. Including stand over tactics, harassment, assault and worse.
Now- before you all jump on my post- not once did i say ALL unionists are like this. I said some.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Now- before you all jump on my post- not once did i say ALL unionists are like this. I said some.

And some employers are unethical scumbags. Not all, some! In fact, I'd bet there are more unscrupulous employers than their are bullying unionists...

[Roopee]

And some employers are unethical scumbags. Not all, some! In fact, I'd bet there are more unscrupulous employers than their are bullying unionists...
Yes, of course you would.
Your right-im wrong- have a nice day.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Y
Your right-im wrong

Cool! :thumbsup: I'm glad we are on the same page :yes: :D

[Roopee]

Cool! :thumbsup: I'm glad we are on the same page :yes: :D

Ummm- thats highly unlikely but i cant be assed arguing with you.

[SassyMummy]

Cool! :thumbsup: I'm glad we are on the same page :yes: :D

:laughing:

[Pippi Longstocking]

Ummm- thats highly unlikely but i cant be assed arguing with you.

Oh look, there's no need to argue when we both admit I am right! :D

[Bron]

I hate the ad where the woman is talking to the cameras saying "Mr Howard, you had eleven years to do something about climate change, and you didn't. Now you're going to retire and hand over the job to Mr Costello, who I wouldn't vote for as PM" etc etc. It's a Labor ad (I'm pretty sure).

I don't hate it because of political reasons (I never express my preferences on here!), but the woman has SUCH a nasally voice.

It is an annoying voice, but she's wearing a great cardigan. I wish I could carry off bright horizontal stripes like that. :p

[the_queen]

It is an annoying voice, but she's wearing a great cardigan. I wish I could carry off bright horizontal stripes like that. :p

:laughing: That's what I was going to say!! :laughing:



I guess in some ways, some ads make me think about issues that I hadn't thought about before - but usually not for the reasons the advertiser is intending (me talk good ay :D) EG when the Libs have ads talking about how so many Labor party members are Unionists, that just makes me think less of the Libs. If you don't have any of your own strong policies, just attack the other side.


And Guv - of course you're always right :yes:

[Ashleigh<3]

just wondering why ash? i know many people who had their jobs saved and had unfair treatment turned around because of unions... from what i have gathered they do nothing but help workers... just my own experiences...

whats so bad about unions?
might add dh's "other mum" works for the unions:D after they helped her out with her problems with work...she had people trying to get her to quit..wont mention what her job was, and they used all their "power" to the point where her car and house were broken into... she was ridiculed and harrassed at work, and her "bosses" tried to put her on a contract that cut her pay severely.. and werent paying her the right amount, tried freeze her pay....heaps of problems...if i told you who she worked for your jaw would drop... anyway with the help of the union she recovered all her costs, and dignity...then they offered her a great job...

I would be very worried if the economy was handed down to union officials because I do not believe they have enough experience, most of all they don't have ministerial experience.

That is horrible what your MIL went through.
I can't assure you ALL unions are innocent though. I'm glad so many are reputable though.
That doesn't mean I'm prepared to hand my vote over though.

[Ashleigh<3]

And some employers are unethical scumbags. Not all, some! In fact, I'd bet there are more unscrupulous employers than their are bullying unionists...

Good point, this is why a lot of us make our own electoral decisions based on what we've personally gone through.

Positive experience with unionists: Negative experience with unionists.

Ethical employers: Unethical employers

[metalhead713]

blah blah blah blah:ecomcity: :ecomcity: :ecomcity: blah blah blah blah:ecomcity: :ecomcity: blah blah blah.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..
oh sorry i was just thinking about the politicians and their debate and political debates in general.:rolleyes:

[metalhead713]

need one of these emoticons :D
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd221/feuer_engel/arguement.gif

[Pippi Longstocking]

Metalhead, as a member of society, I really think it pays to develop an interest in politics. To not educate yourself about political matters is denying yourself a voice and a chance to contribute to decisions that ultimately affect you. Politics is far from boring once you start to learn a little.

[bronny-jane]

Metalhead, as a member of society, I really think it pays to develop an interest in politics.
Politics is far from boring once you start to learn a little.

oh dear guv..when did you get old:laughing:
politics is boring for the most part.... i get sick of hearing the same lines over and over again...

i wish someone would tackle the real issues in our society... not throw money or use scare tactics to try and win my vote...its a waste of time ...ive made my mind up:D

[Ashleigh<3]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..
oh sorry i was just thinking about the politicians and their debate and political debates in general.:rolleyes:

That's fair enough metal head.
I'm afraid I'm more like, :ecomcity::ecomcity::ecomcity:
when it comes to people who just don't give a cr@p about politics.

I would hate to block myself out from political affairs.
I don't know everything and probably won't ever know everything but there is no harm in educating myself and making my vote count.
The information is there, why not take it?

[missie_mack]

I also don't like how Labour have spent $20 million on a logo which is becoming VERY very old!

For a interesting comparison you should see the advertising costs of each party while in government.
from the Labor Government (1991- 1996)spent $428 million on advertising
And the current Liberal government (from 1996- 2001 to make it equal terms) spent $768 million on advertising :eek:

To make matters worse $36 million was spent advertising the introduction of the GST which we were getting whether we approved of it or not.

Would seem to me that while excessive the $20 million spent on a new logo is a better investment as it will be around a lot longer than the GST campaign was.

[~Bec~]

Hmmm, just wondering how many teachers, midis, nurses, police officers, childcare places etc could we have had for $1.196 billion.

**sigh**

[IAdoreYou]

Yeah! What she ^ said. They are insulting. I think people that make form political opinions based on ads shouldn't be allowed to vote!

Oh and AdoreYou, it's Labor. No "U". L.A.B.O.R. No offence, it's a pet peeve of mine :o :D

hmmmmmmmm, I only know how to spell Liberal :thumbsup:

[IAdoreYou]

For a interesting comparison you should see the advertising costs of each party while in government.
from the Labor Government (1991- 1996)spent $428 million on advertising
And the current Liberal government (from 1996- 2001 to make it equal terms) spent $768 million on advertising :eek:

To make matters worse $36 million was spent advertising the introduction of the GST which we were getting whether we approved of it or not.

Would seem to me that while excessive the $20 million spent on a new logo is a better investment as it will be around a lot longer than the GST campaign was.

whoa ... Liberals are impressive, all that money spent on advertising and the cash rate is still lower then it was ever under any Labor government and we have a surplus and record low un-employment -- impressive! :thumbsup:

[maiko]

I've started changing the channel during political adverts, especially if DH is around. I'm Liberal and he's Labor and we give each other $hit over the other party's policies during the ads. :o:p

[Roopee]

whoa ... Liberals are impressive, all that money spent on advertising and the cash rate is still lower then it was ever under any Labor government and we have a surplus and record low un-employment -- impressive! :thumbsup:
That is a great point!:thumbsup:

[Roopee]

I would hate to block myself out from political affairs.

there is no harm in educating myself and making my vote count.
The information is there, why not take it?

Exactly! Why would you go into something so important and life changing with your eyes closed? We all need to educate ourselves so that when we do vote- we do it right.

[~Bec~]

I can understand why people get so turned off though. The vast majority of what you see on telle (if not all of it) is nothing less than carefully orchastrated publicity stunts. The 'News' only gives you sound bites of what's been said and when something is discused they've allocated 2 mins with only 2 viewpoints and all they seem to do is go on about why my political party is good and yours is bad. :mad: This is all they seem to do in parliament as well.

Didn't I say something earlier about banning myself from this section????? :rolleyes:

[lotti]

I hate the ad where the woman is talking to the cameras saying "Mr Howard, you had eleven years to do something about climate change, and you didn't. Now you're going to retire and hand over the job to Mr Costello, who I wouldn't vote for as PM" etc etc. It's a Labor ad (I'm pretty sure).

I don't hate it because of political reasons (I never express my preferences on here!), but the woman has SUCH a nasally voice. Sends shivers up my spine. Years ago there was another one that annoyed me - I think it was the Victorian Liberal Party's one. It had cheesy music and was just terrible!

OMG that woman! Infact I would definitely vote 'Liberal' incase 'Labor' ever used her for those adverts again.

All the adverts do nothing for me. Look guys, get your ideas into about two pages to let me know what your policies are, then email me. ONCE. lol

Even the bloomin Greens are handing out paper at the local show here @@.

[subaruforestermum]

WASTE OF MONEY in my opinion....

And thats where I stand, they are an annoying, non informative (unless bad mouthing the opposition is a useful way to get information across) waste of time and money!

[MariaO]

They are just dreadful - from all parties. They really seem to treat voters as if they are as half wits.

If they are going to spend so much money on them wouldn't it be nice to see something witty for a change.

[Odessa]

I think political advertising tries to stir up the interest of folks who are completely apathetic to the election - people who discuss politics like we all do scarcely need prompting, now do we? ;)

It worries me that so many people don't think through the issues that our country faces and just donkey vote or don't bother voting at all. If all a political ad did was spur someone into doing a little reading and research about who they can vote for and what the candidates stand for, it's not a waste of time in my books :)

[~Bec~]

hmmmmmmmm, I only know how to spell Liberal :thumbsup:

You might be able to spell Liberal but I think someone from the Lib party should go and check the meaning of "liberal" in the dictionary.

It seems we have a choice of having union officials in power or accountants and lawyers. :(

[tru]

I said sometimes, but not because they pull at my heart strings. If I hear something that interests me I then do my own research in to it further and find out more for myself.

If ads are negative (rubbishing the opposition) then I tend to feel more against whoever is making the ad because I think I don't want to vote for anybody who is negative. I respond better to positivity and hearing things about what good they intend to do :)

[Baldie's Mum]

The vast majority of what you see on telle (if not all of it) is nothing less than carefully orchastrated publicity stunts. The 'News' only gives you sound bites of what's been said and when something is discused they've allocated 2 mins with only 2 viewpoints and all they seem to do is go on about why my political party is good and yours is bad.

my uncle is the head cameraman for chan 9 (win) and let me tell you EVERYTHING is manipulated!!!!! abc manipulate everything to a labor side.......7,9 and 10 manipulate for action.....anything that they recon will stir they put on!!!! its all for entertainment!!!!!! :yes:

I have seen them do it because i did work experience at chan 9!!! :rolleyes:

its all for the love of the ratings!!!!! :yes:

[the_queen]

I take exception to the statement "abc manipulate everything to a labor side" :no: If anything, recently that bias has swung the other way.

[~Bec~]

I take exception to the statement "abc manipulate everything to a labor side" :no: If anything, recently that bias has swung the other way.

Me too. The ABC provides the most balanced national news around. At least it doesn't constantly treat you like an idiot and just pander to the lowest common denomonator. What's more, there's no ads :smiliedance:

The whole concept of having a national broadcaster is left-wing. Wouldn't it stand to reason that many of the people who work there share some of these beliefs???

[metalhead713]

Metalhead, as a member of society, I really think it pays to develop an interest in politics. To not educate yourself about political matters is denying yourself a voice and a chance to contribute to decisions that ultimately affect you. Politics is far from boring once you start to learn a little.
meeeehhhh. Always have hated em- always will.;)

[metalhead713]

BUT
just because I hate them, doesnt mean I dont have an opinion, you just assumed I didnt care.

I am voting labor, because IMO, he needs to go and we need a fresh start.

Its time to go.... Johnny howard!!!:banghead:

[metalhead713]

And yes I have many reasons why- but id much rather go to bed and sleep than discuss politics :D
I just cant be arsed with them:rolleyes: . But I do have an opinion.
The reason I dont wanna get in a debate over politics, is because having an opinion doesnt seem to matter, you only get shot down for it anyway by someone with opposite opinions.
hence the blah blah blah blah blahs etc. etc.

[the_queen]

I don't think "shot down" is the right term - thank god we live in a country where we're allowed to debate politics.

[millymoo]

But maybe it isn`t time to go JH.

Coming from the UK 3 years ago, change is what bothers me.

Things are good here...very good.

Well Dental and Medical and Mat pay could do with a shake up but otherwise I have never looked back.

I can`t vote but if I could would be voting JH as since he came in I think he has done a great job for Australia.

[Roopee]

But maybe it isn`t time to go JH.

Coming from the UK 3 years ago, change is what bothers me.

Things are good here...very good.

Well Dental and Medical and Mat pay could do with a shake up but otherwise I have never looked back.

I can`t vote but if I could would be voting JH as since he came in I think he has done a great job for Australia.

I couldn;t agree more- the English had the right idea- abolishing Unions and the like in the 70's.
I think we DO have it very good here- its just that some think they are entitled to more than they are getting without having to earn it.

I agree whole heartedly that he has done many a great thing for our country.:yes:

[~Bec~]

I couldn;t agree more- the English had the right idea- abolishing Unions and the like in the 70's.
I think we DO have it very good here- its just that some think they are entitled to more than they are getting without having to earn it.

I agree whole heartedly that he has done many a great thing for our country.:yes:

Oh is that why when I worked there for many years I was on wages like 3 pound an hour with no breaks????? Yeah, let's get rid of the unions!!!!

[Roopee]

Oh is that why when I worked there for many years I was on wages like 3 pound an hour with no breaks????? Yeah, let's get rid of the unions!!!!

Thats there and this is here. You now have the right to negotiate your own AWA. And if you dont like what your workplace are offering- well with the unemployment so low atm- you should have no drama's finding another job?
OR you could just join a Union and have them do your negotiating for you.
Its all about choices.

[millymoo]

Oh is that why when I worked there for many years I was on wages like 3 pound an hour with no breaks????? Yeah, let's get rid of the unions!!!!

Exactly..things are good here. I started a job with no experience on $18 an hr! Reckoning 7 pound!

Pay Awards was a new but brilliant thing to me.

And waiting times in Aand E, not 5 hrs and clean as can be.

I also don`t see a ""leader"" in Rudd whether listening or looking at him.

And that is not going on his ear picking :laughing:

[metalhead713]

Just an honest question here- not trying to have a dig at anyone, but how could anyone possibly want to vote for someone who often contradicts himself, has brought in new laws that has made thousands of people loose their job or be forced to sign an unfair contract, has said there will 'never be a gst in this country' (PFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT!!) has sent our troops over to iraq etc. to get killed just to please his best buddy g.w.bush (pfffffftt), interest rates are getting higher and higher and people will loose their homes, and he says he is sorry for that, then later on says 'i dont think I ever said the word apology" wtf?? there goes that contradicting again johnny,,

ahh jeez I could go on for hours but I wont:p :rolleyes: .
Sure he may have done some good things for the country, but he has done one too many more dodgy things to it in my opinion.

Is it because people are scared of a change? Give it a go- could be the best thing you ever did.

[Pippi Longstocking]

But maybe it isn`t time to go JH.

Coming from the UK 3 years ago, change is what bothers me.

Things are good here...very good.

Well Dental and Medical and Mat pay could do with a shake up but otherwise I have never looked back.

I can`t vote but if I could would be voting JH as since he came in I think he has done a great job for Australia.

Things are good for some people, they are atrocious for others. Indigenous Australians, refugees, single mothers etc etc are not dong well at all.


I couldn;t agree more- the English had the right idea- abolishing Unions and the like in the 70's.
I think we DO have it very good here- its just that some think they are entitled to more than they are getting without having to earn it.



Some people? Who are these people? Have you read the reasons why a lot of people are voting Labor? It has nothing to do with personal gain (that's more of a liberal trait). Most of the issues I am passionate about don't affect me personally. I am not indigenous, I am not a refugee, I am not a single mum...

[Roopee]

(PFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT!!) has sent our troops over to america to get killed just to please his best buddy g.w.bush (pfffffftt),



Is it because people are scared of a change? Give it a go- could be the best thing you ever did.
Troops getting killed in America?:confused:
I was under the impression that our troops are in Afghanistan, Iraq and East Timor?

Im an not scared of change per say- im scared of the change that a Labor Govt will bring though. Change in general however doesn't scare me one bit.




Have you read the reasons why a lot of people are voting Labor? .
Indeed i have and have you read the reasons why alot are voting Liberal?
Kevin Rudd does not fit the bill of a PM for me.
There is no point pledging all this money to all avenues only to have the well dry up and not be able to maintain it through poor management. Where will all the Refugees, Homeless and single parents be then?

[Pippi Longstocking]

Indeed i have and have you read the reasons why alot are voting Liberal?
Kevin Rudd does not fit the bill of a PM for me.
There is no point pledging all this money to all avenues only to have the well dry up and not be able to maintain it through poor management. Where will all the Refugees, Homeless and single parents be then?

Erm...Rudd pledged one quarter (I think? It was a quarter yeah? I really ought to get more sleep!) of JHo's spending spree.
And yes, I have read why liberal voters vote the way they do. That still doesn' change the fact that you accused Labor voters of voting Labor because "some think they are entitled to more than they are getting without having to earn it." which is inaccurate. :)

[Roopee]

Erm...Rudd pledged one quarter (I think? It was a quarter yeah? I really ought to get more sleep!) of JHo's spending spree.
And yes, I have read why liberal voters vote the way they do. That still doesn' change the fact that you accused Labor voters of voting Labor because "some think they are entitled to more than they are getting without having to earn it." which is inaccurate. :)

K.Rudd may have pledged 1/4 of Jh amount- however- JH has a proven record of being able to manage our economy effectively. Rudd does not. So if he spent more then thats ok with me...he has the ability to manage it make sure we stay in front-budget wise. And to keep us in the 'black'.

I dont think i was inaccurate at all.
Some people do think they are entitled to more than they are getting. Take the some of the long term unemployed for example. There are people out there sitting in the dole queue with no intention or very little intention of getting employed.
Then moaning about how broke they are? How there is not enough for this and that. Really- there are jobs out there for the taking, they just have be prepared to take them.

[forbetoel]

I think we DO have it very good here- its just that some think they are entitled to more than they are getting without having to earn it.



Yes some do have it good, but a bl00dy lot don't, I won't forget about them.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Take the some of the long term unemployed for example. There are people out there sitting in the dole queue with no intention or very little intention of getting employed.
Then moaning about how broke they are? How there is not enough for this and that. Really- there are jobs out there for the taking, they just have be prepared to take them.

And have you experienced long term unemployment? We have, in fact we are experiencing it now. Actually, I don't know if it's long term exactly, it's been about ten months. So I feel quite qualified in saying that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. :) Sometimes, like in our situation, there really truly are no jobs. None. The ones that do come up are snapped up immediately by those more qualified. It actually would be quite impossible to "sit on the dole queue with no intention of getting a job". You would have to be either completely bonkers, totally depressed or otherwise deficient to want to spend your life like that. The system is set up in such a way that sitting on the dole is not an option. After 6 months of unemployment, you are forced in to doing work for the dole. This pays $10 per week on top of the $145 dole payment. Who would choose to do very low paid demoralising work for the dole over getting a real job with a real wage? Really, get a clue!

[forbetoel]

And have you experienced long term unemployment? We have, in fact we are experiencing it now. Actually, I don't know if it's long term exactly, it's been about ten months. So I feel quite qualified in saying that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. :) Sometimes, like in our situation, there really truly are no jobs. None. The ones that do come up are snapped up immediately by those more qualified. It actually would be quite impossible to "sit on the dole queue with no intention of getting a job". You would have to be either completely bonkers, totally depressed or otherwise deficient to want to spend your life like that. The system is set up in such a way that sitting on the dole is not an option. After 6 months of unemployment, you are forced in to doing work for the dole. This pays $10 per week on top of the $145 dole payment. Who would choose to do very low paid demoralising work for the dole over getting a real job with a real wage? Really, get a clue!

Don't even bother Guv, as I have said before, Liberal voters (in general) are happy if THEY are doing well, and can't seem to see much further than their own backyard.:( I don't know how many times I have heard members say on these forums that anyone can earn a decent wage if they put the hard work in.:rolleyes: They are living too happily in Howard's little dream world.

[spoon]

Just popped in to say


KEVIN07

:yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap:

I am SMILING :D after watching Kevin's package last night!!!!

[Baldie's Mum]

sorry to but in but can we go back to my initial post.......

[~Bec~]

Booooooo Hissssssss :thumbsdown:
at political ads

[Roopee]

And have you experienced long term unemployment? We have, in fact we are experiencing it now. Actually, I don't know if it's long term exactly, it's been about ten months. So I feel quite qualified in saying that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. :) Sometimes, like in our situation, there really truly are no jobs. None. The ones that do come up are snapped up immediately by those more qualified. It actually would be quite impossible to "sit on the dole queue with no intention of getting a job". You would have to be either completely bonkers, totally depressed or otherwise deficient to want to spend your life like that. The system is set up in such a way that sitting on the dole is not an option. After 6 months of unemployment, you are forced in to doing work for the dole. This pays $10 per week on top of the $145 dole payment. Who would choose to do very low paid demoralising work for the dole over getting a real job with a real wage? Really, get a clue!
Please! Refrain from making assumption regarding my life. Past or present. You have no idea what my life has been like- NONE!
Dont pretend to know and dont insult me by making such statements.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Please! Refrain from making assumption regarding my life. Past or present. You have no idea what my life has been like- NONE!
Dont pretend to know and dont insult me by making such statements.

erm...Hi there pot. I can't help but notice you are looking a little black lately.

Signed,

The Kettle.

[spoon]

I love the political advertisments on tv. I laugh and shake my head and laugh and say "can you beleive that scared little man" to my husband who in return says "hahahahaha!"

And when Kevin 07 comes on I do a dance that my 12 year old cracks up at:laughing:

We are getting ready to PARTAY!!!!!!

[Roopee]

erm...Hi there pot. I can't help but notice you are looking a little black lately.

Signed,

The Kettle.

Rightio then- i'll let you stay up there on that soapbox- preach whatever you want without question ok? Clearly thats what you want.
Enjoy! :rolleyes::thumbsup:
No one will ever win an argument with you- you dont have an open enough mind....anyways...have a great day.

[spoon]

Kevin07!!!!!:d

[Pippi Longstocking]

Rightio then- i'll let you stay up there on that soapbox- preach whatever you want without question ok? Clearly thats what you want.
Enjoy! :rolleyes::thumbsup:
No one will ever win an argument with you- you dont have an open enough mind....anyways...have a great day.

It's not about winning an argument! You implied that unemployed people are bludgers, I explained it from my point of view. I am sorry you don't like to be challenged, but if that is the case then it would make sense to stay away from the political threads, surely!

[Mr. Ogyny]

Sorry to keep the derail going Ains, but I'd just like to point out that the only way JHo has kept budget surpluses is by stripping away the things that we, as Australians have a right to. A welfare safety net, tertiary education, trade training, decent healthcare and safety within our country.

JHo has reduced spending in health, education and welfare. He has, through the twin evils of IR "reform" and welfare cutbacks, introduced a new underclass of working parents a la USA for employers to exploit. He has made Australia and Australians a target for terrorists worldwide. He has refused to ratify Kyoto and thus taken steps to reduce Australia's landmass.

People waffling on about "better the devil you know" and "well, the economy is in good shape" need to look around at their fellow Australians and see what effect that "booming" economy has on other people. See how much worse off we really are because of eleven years of a selfish government.

[forbetoel]

Sorry to keep the derail going Ains, but I'd just like to point out that the only way JHo has kept budget surpluses is by stripping away the things that we, as Australians have a right to. A welfare safety net, tertiary education, trade training, decent healthcare and safety within our country.

JHo has reduced spending in health, education and welfare. He has, through the twin evils of IR "reform" and welfare cutbacks, introduced a new underclass of working parents a la USA for employers to exploit. He has made Australia and Australians a target for terrorists worldwide. He has refused to ratify Kyoto and thus taken steps to reduce Australia's landmass.

People waffling on about "better the devil you know" and "well, the economy is in good shape" need to look around at their fellow Australians and see what effect that "booming" economy has on other people. See how much worse off we really are because of eleven years of a selfish government.

:smiliedance: GREAT POST!!!!

[metalhead713]

Troops getting killed in America?:confused:
I was under the impression that our troops are in Afghanistan, Iraq and East Timor?

oh lol whooops, thanks for pointing out my typo/mistake:banghead: I meant iraq/afganistan but I had just woken up when writing that:laughing:

[metalhead713]

Better the devil you know? Lol.. well I have a saying too..
better the lesser of two evils.. which IMO is kevin rudd.
And yes, back to the original topic, When I see political adverts, not only are they anoying, but I wonder how much those people got payed to act in them:rolleyes:

[Mr. Ogyny]

Better the devil you know? Lol.. well I have a saying too..
better the lesser of two evils.. which IMO is kevin rudd.
And yes, back to the original topic, When I see political adverts, not only are they anoying, but I wonder how much those people got payed to act in them:rolleyes:

Did you read what I wrote?

[metalhead713]

yep. :yes: I was referring to those people who say the 'better the devil you know' saying.;)

[Ashleigh<3]

Why do so many labor supporters continually look at high income earners as if they are selfish?
Please, someone explain to me why they are portrayed selfish, why are they the ones that don't give a hoot about Australian people/the unemployed, single mothers, etc?

I really don't get it.... High income earners are the ones supporting those on welfare/low income earners who also rely on parenting/single parenting payments.

For every family that has a combined income of 150-200k a year, they pay approximately 50-70+k in tax a year, look at the wages a family on welfare earns a year, high income earners are paying enough in tax to support two-three families, some are even able enough to get a health care card which wipes all their medical bill slates clear.
Please don't tell me they don't give a **** about Australian people. Regardless of what financial stance the low income earners are in, they are supported financially by someone who IS working a high paying job.

Kevin Rudd should know this, of all people. :thumbsup:

[spoon]

High income earners are Labor supporters too. But they have a concience.

[Ashleigh<3]

High income earners are Labor supporters too. But they have a concience.


Hey ladeh- You know me. :wave:
I got a conscious too. :laughing:

[spoon]

Hey ladeh- You know me. :wave:
I got a conscious too. :laughing:

:wave: hellooo ladeh:D

But we are not racking in the top $$$$ (yet, give us time:D )

COme and see me here in Pretty Beach and I will walk you around town and show you all the holiday homes that are lived in once a year at Christmas time and for the rest of the year are empty. I see how this community works, and I can tell you they dont give a toss about us small fry.

[Baldie's Mum]

Why do so many labor supporters continually look at high income earners as if they are selfish?
Please, someone explain to me why they are portrayed selfish, why are they the ones that don't give a hoot about Australian people/the unemployed, single mothers, etc?

I really don't get it.... High income earners are the ones supporting those on welfare/low income earners who also rely on parenting/single parenting payments.

For every family that has a combined income of 150-200k a year, they pay approximately 50-70+k in tax a year, look at the wages a family on welfare earns a year, high income earners are paying enough in tax to support two-three families, some are even able enough to get a health care card which wipes all their medical bill slates clear.
Please don't tell me they don't give a **** about Australian people. Regardless of what financial stance the low income earners are in, they are supported financially by someone who IS working a high paying job.

Kevin Rudd should know this, of all people. :thumbsup:

:yes: :D

in the suburb we live in my hubby and i get looked upon as snobs....why, cause we own our own business! no other reason. we go to the street parties, participate in the x-mas light comp......but there are wispers (my friends cousin lives across the road from us and she tells my friend all the tories) that we are rich snobs!!!! people asked my friend why we lived in this area, we really dont look like south west people...... WHAT THE ****?!?!?!??!

it does go 2 ways.

[Ana Gram]

Rightio then- i'll let you stay up there on that soapbox- preach whatever you want without question ok? Clearly thats what you want.
Enjoy! :rolleyes::thumbsup:
No one will ever win an argument with you- you dont have an open enough mind....anyways...have a great day.

Hun, don't bother! here's what I have learnt about current political opinion. Personal circumstance only counts if you are poor and they are supported by statistics.

[spoon]

:yes: :D

in the suburb we live in my hubby and i get looked upon as snobs....why, cause we own our own business! no other reason. we go to the street parties, participate in the x-mas light comp......but there are wispers (my friends cousin lives across the road from us and she tells my friend all the tories) that we are rich snobs!!!! people asked my friend why we lived in this area, we really dont look like south west people...... WHAT THE ****?!?!?!??!

it does go 2 ways.

You can ACT snobby and not be rich.

[Baldie's Mum]

absolutly no snobbery here.......i get around in trackies, i act like the next person!!! its funny though because everyone judges ( i did it very badly on tuesday) it doesnt matter if you are rich, poor or just comfy!!!! people will always talk about anothers situation.

i also have a house that sits empty for probably 10 months of the year....but i pay the morgage and rates and keep it clean, neat and tidy............ doenst mean i dont give a ****.

[Roopee]

It's not about winning an argument! You implied that unemployed people are bludgers, I explained it from my point of view. I am sorry you don't like to be challenged, but if that is the case then it would make sense to stay away from the political threads, surely!
I implied that some are bludgers. And you can not deny that they are out there.
I did not name names, i did not say all, I did not even say most. No generalising there.
Its not that i dont like to be challenged-quite the contrary actually-i enjoy a good debate. Its insults and assumptions that dont sit well with me.




J He has made Australia and Australians a target for terrorists worldwide.
Actually its people like Osama Bin Laden, Alqueda, Saddam Hussein and their armies who have made us a terrorist target.


Why do so many labor supporters continually look at high income earners as if they are selfish?



Ash? I have no idea-wish i did though.

[Ashleigh<3]

J He has made Australia and Australians a target for terrorists worldwide.Before this current war. Australia was already a target. Videos from Al Qaeda leaders speak openly about Australia already being a target.
Why? Three words, 'we are westernized'.

Even if we do withdraw support, people will keep dieing, only they will not have help. Terrorists won't care to help people gain financial support, they wont feed the innocent, they wont educate the less fortunate, they won't do anything to make the middle east a better place for their people.

One of the first things they plan to do once they dominate the middle east, is kill the Israeli people.
I don't know about my fellow Australian's, but that scares me and I'm not interested in sitting back and watching more innocent people die purely because of religious subjugation.

[Baldie's Mum]

the australian soldiers are there to help the people....help build an army, give women rights, help the police....ect, we are not the ones planting the bombs, planting planes in buildings using their religion as an excuse to kill inocent people ect ect.....

dont get me wrong, war is horrible......yes innocent women and children are dying, but what happened to the women, men and children on the planes???? we need to ask ourselfs, what can we do to help????

i would prefer to have america and england on our side, because if and when a bomb is dropped on our country, on our way of life on our homes.....i want the worlds most powerful army on MY SIDE!

[Mr. Ogyny]

Why do so many labor supporters continually look at high income earners as if they are selfish?
Please, someone explain to me why they are portrayed selfish, why are they the ones that don't give a hoot about Australian people/the unemployed, single mothers, etc?

I really don't get it.... High income earners are the ones supporting those on welfare/low income earners who also rely on parenting/single parenting payments.

For every family that has a combined income of 150-200k a year, they pay approximately 50-70+k in tax a year, look at the wages a family on welfare earns a year, high income earners are paying enough in tax to support two-three families, some are even able enough to get a health care card which wipes all their medical bill slates clear.
Please don't tell me they don't give a **** about Australian people. Regardless of what financial stance the low income earners are in, they are supported financially by someone who IS working a high paying job.

Kevin Rudd should know this, of all people. :thumbsup:

Ask someone who earns 200k+ a year about their tax bracket and they will tell you that it is too high. Most, not all, think that 48% is ridiculous and most, not all support the Coalition because Howard has dropped their tax rate almost every year. Do you honestly think that they would choose social spending over a tax cut?

:yes: :D

in the suburb we live in my hubby and i get looked upon as snobs....why, cause we own our own business! no other reason. we go to the street parties, participate in the x-mas light comp......but there are wispers (my friends cousin lives across the road from us and she tells my friend all the tories) that we are rich snobs!!!! people asked my friend why we lived in this area, we really dont look like south west people...... WHAT THE ****?!?!?!??!

it does go 2 ways.

I used to own a business and I never had people wispering [sic] about me. Just more proof that the plural of anecdote is not evidence.


Actually its people like Osama Bin Laden, Alqueda, Saddam Hussein and their armies who have made us a terrorist target.

Hussein is dead. He was killed by the government that the USA set up in Iraq when they invaded the country without the approval of the United Nations. Saddam Hussein, when he was alive, launched two wars, one against Iran and one against Kuwait. The Iranian venture was fully supported by the USA, the Kuwait one threatened the US' oil supply so they stepped in.

Osama bin Laden is hiding in a cave in Afghanistan. Before 9/11 he only targetted the USA in his videos. Before the USA invaded Iraq illegally Al Qaeda was a very small organisation who attacked the US sporadically and generally ineffectively. The bombing of US embassies in Africa and the bombing of the USS Cole comes to mind.

Where people err here is conflating Al Qaeda with Saddam Hussein, bin Laden with Iraq. Hussein and Iraq had nothing to do with bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Bin Laden in fact decried the Hussein regime saying that it betrayed Islam.


Before this current war. Australia was already a target. Videos from Al Qaeda leaders speak openly about Australia already being a target.
Why? Three words, 'we are westernized'.

Even if we do withdraw support, people will keep dieing, only they will not have help. Terrorists won't care to help people gain financial support, they wont feed the innocent, they wont educate the less fortunate, they won't do anything to make the middle east a better place for their people.

One of the first things they plan to do once they dominate the middle east, is kill the Israeli people.
I don't know about my fellow Australian's, but that scares me and I'm not interested in sitting back and watching more innocent people die purely because of religious subjugation.

Just in case you didn't know, they've had since 1948 to destroy Israel. At various times during Israel's history Arab countries have tried to kill them and failed spectacularly. Israel has nuclear weapons and would have no hesitation in using them as a last ditch defence. Why do you think no country has attacked Israel openly since the 1980's? It has been the stated intention of fundamental Islamic terrorist organisations for years. Kill the apostates! Kill the infidel! Whether the infidel be perceived Christian or Jew.

None of this has translated into an attack on Australia or Australians until Australia dived into the shark pool after 9/11. Australia has always been protected by it's geographical isolation and general neutrality in world affairs.


the australian soldiers are there to help the people....help build an army, give women rights, help the police....ect, we are not the ones planting the bombs, planting planes in buildings using their religion as an excuse to kill inocent people ect ect.....

dont get me wrong, war is horrible......yes innocent women and children are dying, but what happened to the women, men and children on the planes???? we need to ask ourselfs, what can we do to help????

i would prefer to have america and england on our side, because if and when a bomb is dropped on our country, on our way of life on our homes.....i want the worlds most powerful army on MY SIDE!

The Australian soldiers wouldn't have to be helping the Iraqi women and children if the US and Australian soldiers hadn't broken the country in the first place. As big a ******* as Hussein was, women enjoyed more freedom under him then any other Muslim country in the region. Since his deposition fundamental Islam is on the rise in the country and women are again being forced into subservient positions.

Do you understand the dichotomy here? We have to stay to protect the people that we put into danger.

ETA: The "world's most powerful army" still hasn't found bin Laden.

[subaruforestermum]

lol WOW, what a topic change, going from who likes the ads on telly, to snobs and high income earners to the war.....

I popped in to see other views, and add something else to mine, but I can see the topic has turned into a debate.....:D

Have fun....:devil6:

[Mr. Ogyny]

Yeah, it did get derailed a bit, didn't it? Where's the "sheepish" smilie?:)

[millymoo]

High income earners are Labor supporters too. But they have a concience.

So anyone who decides to vote anything but Labor and has worked hard to get where they are has no conscience???
Gosh I didn`t know I was like that!

[Mr. Ogyny]

So anyone who decides to vote anything but Labor and has worked hard to get where they are has no conscience???
Gosh I didn`t know I was like that!

I'm just curious. Why are you voting for the Coalition. What is it about their policies that appeals to you?

[spoon]

So anyone who decides to vote anything but Labor and has worked hard to get where they are has no conscience???
Gosh I didn`t know I was like that!

Lots of people work hard, but not everyone gets a reward for their efforts.

Liberals policies are not means tested. They fund the richest schools in Australia. They give tax breaks to the wealthy and they favour the most wealthy of communities when the rest of Australia is lacking.

The weathy Labor supporters understand that their in more powerful positions and do not expect to be kept in the top notch position so that nobody from the lower rungs of the class system can compete.

[MariaO]

The snobbery and assumptions cut all ways. At the last election my hubby was having a political discussion with the taxi driver bringing him home. The comment that made me laugh was (from the driver) - "What are you doing living in Rose Bay if you vote labour?".


Back to the adverts, I thought the initial ACTU ads (pre election campaign) were quite good. There really is no subtlety in any of their ads though, it is all about banging home their point.

I was looking at Insiders at the weekend and they showed some Liberal party ads that were to be played in the coming week. They focused on the liberal candidate in the area and did not mention Howard, Costello et al. I thought that was very interesting indeed.

[Baldie's Mum]

lol WOW, what a topic change, going from who likes the ads on telly, to snobs and high income earners to the war.....

I popped in to see other views, and add something else to mine, but I can see the topic has turned into a debate.....:D

Have fun....:devil6:

i tried to get it back on course about 2 pages ago.......but no one listened, so i just joined in!!!!!! aghhhhh what the heck!:o :eek: :laughing:

[RainbowStars]

To go back to the question...
No i am not "sucked in" by adverts. Especially when they are so so childish... "im so much better than you because you had higher interest rates ner ner" I just think it turns into a joke. :rolleyes:

I want to make a vote for what they are suggesting for my future. Not for what the labour party did years and years ago. What i am focusing on is the current Liberal Party policies and the promises being made by Labour. The policies that are going to affect me and my child's lives.

[Baldie's Mum]

that is a great way to vote, good on you!!!!! :thumbsup:

[SassyMummy]

To go back to the question...
No i am not "sucked in" by adverts. Especially when they are so so childish... "im so much better than you because you had higher interest rates ner ner" I just think it turns into a joke. :rolleyes:

I want to make a vote for what they are suggesting for my future. Not for what the labour party did years and years ago. What i am focusing on is the current Liberal Party policies and the promises being made by Labour. The policies that are going to affect me and my child's lives.

Me too.

It might help that I was young when Labor was in power though... but you could go back years and years and whinge about past wrongdoings. I'm thinking about my present and my future... and my children's future too. :)

[Ashleigh<3]

Ask someone who earns 200k+ a year about their tax bracket and they will tell you that it is too high. Most, not all, think that 48% is ridiculous and most, not all support the Coalition because Howard has dropped their tax rate almost every year. Do you honestly think that they would choose social spending over a tax cut?

Do you honestly think that they deserve to pay higher taxes then they do now? Why? Because 'some' high income earners whinge?

My parents have earned their incomes. They certainly aren't whining about how much their paid taxes support the system.
If anything, their whining because they are considered selfish for their financial stance.
It wasn't just handed to them.
They worked their butts off and just because other people have worked their butts off and aren't pulling in the same income doesn't mean they should vote against high income earners out of spite.

[MariaO]

You can be a high income earner and a labor supporter. I don't see anything in labor's policies that I would consider to be against high income earners.

A delay in the drop in tax rates for the 180k+ rates for a couple of years. I think the majority of people, could probably wear that. They are, after all, getting the tax cuts from the lower brackets anyway.

Why do you think that labor is against high earners?

[Ashleigh<3]

You can be a high income earner and a labor supporter. I don't see anything in labor's policies that I would consider to be against high income earners.

A delay in the drop in tax rates for the 180k+ rates for a couple of years. I think the majority of people, could probably wear that. They are, after all, getting the tax cuts from the lower brackets anyway.

Why do you think that labor is against high earners?

I speak because of the comments that have been made in this thread.

Someone brang up the topic of liberal supporters being selfish and non-empathetic for the unemployed.

[MariaO]

Okay - I am not sure about whether earning 50k,100k,200k or whatever has anything to do with either empathy or what way you vote - I will re-read the thread then..

did you miss my point earlier by the way about the change of direction in the liberal party ads from nationwide issues to local mps (or was it just to dull to warrant comment). I think it is a very interesting change of direction.
I can only assume that some focus group or strategist told them that they should concentrate on getting the incumbent re-elected and that the best way of doing that was to avoid the 'liberal' federal manifesto and concentrate on local bread and butter issues.

[forbetoel]

I don't think that the 'rich' exclusively vote Liberal...not at all, I have many friends that are very well off and have been Labor voters their whole life, it is not how much money you have, but what you hold as important, when deciding who to vote for.

[Mr. Ogyny]

Do you honestly think that they deserve to pay higher taxes then they do now? Why? Because 'some' high income earners whinge?

Where did that come from? I don't think that anyone was advocating high income earners getting tax increases. Some people were merely pointing out that the high income earners would probably prefer a tax break than say, more money being given to the states to pay for public hospitals. Refute that if you can.

[MariaO]

Some people were merely pointing out that the high income earners would probably prefer a tax break than say, more money being given to the states to pay for public hospitals. Refute that if you can.

That is not necessarily true at all. There are plenty of high income earners that would prefer to see services and infrastructure improved rather than get a tax break.

[A Party of Five]

No :no:

[Mr. Ogyny]

That is not necessarily true at all. There are plenty of high income earners that would prefer to see services and infrastructure improved rather than get a tax break.

And yet Howard is still in government despite cutting back on services and giving major tax cuts to the wealthy.

[Ashleigh<3]

Where did that come from? I don't think that anyone was advocating high income earners getting tax increases. Some people were merely pointing out that the high income earners would probably prefer a tax break than say, more money being given to the states to pay for public hospitals. Refute that if you can.

I must have misunderstood your point of:


Ask someone who earns 200k+ a year about their tax bracket and they will tell you that it is too high. I don't understand why people are assuming high tax payers ALL think like this.
They don't stop working on a high income so they can qualify for a lower tax bracket. They continue working to provide for their family just as a low income earner will.


Okay - I am not sure about whether earning 50k,100k,200k or whatever has anything to do with either empathy or what way you vote - I will re-read the thread then..Someone spoke about tax brackets and how at the top of the bracket lives greedy, money guzzling Australian's, I thought I'd point out how much that 48% tax bracket equals in income/tax payments.
This is one of the posts below that had me reply as so.
Seems liberal supporters are considered selfish.


Don't even bother Guv, as I have said before, Liberal voters (in general) are happy if THEY are doing well, and can't seem to see much further than their own backyard.:( I don't know how many times I have heard members say on these forums that anyone can earn a decent wage if they put the hard work in.:rolleyes: They are living too happily in Howard's little dream world.Posts like these: Which make liberal supporters look like non-empathetic/sympatheic scum bags.

[MariaO]

Look I agree with quite a lot of what you say They. It seems to me as though Howard & co are creating two speed economy. .

When it comes to it, neither party are prepared to not give the tax cuts to nearly everyone. I don't think people just vote on this basis.

I just don't think that you can split the country into rich self interested Howard voters and considerate poor labor supporters.

I am going to try this one last time.....back to political adverts - Do you think the liberal adverts showing local mps doing their thing, targetted I am sure for marginal seats, show

(a) shrewd marketing
(b) desperate attempt to get back in

Has anyone seen the adverts I mean - I only saw them shown on Sunday morning's Insider program - I thought it was a very interesting change of tack.

[forbetoel]

Posts like these: Which make liberal supporters look like non-empathetic/sympatheic scum bags.

Make of it what you will, but I was only repeating what I have heard said on these forums a zillion times. Look back through a few threads and you will know what I mean.:)

[Odessa]

MariaO - I have gotten a fair bit of local 'news' from my local MP (Howard) stating what he's done for my electorate and what he plans to do. Some of the things he promised to do last election have been 'repromised' as they have not actually been fulfilled in the 3 years since! (What would that make them? Non core core future promises maybe?)

He has also pledged to install CCTV cameras to 'deter hoons and loiterers' (read: spy big brother style on folks going about their business) I really object to things like that - and he pledges to do them without any community consultation whatsoever!

It's not the tv ads that bother me so much - it's the letterbox spam!

[Ashleigh<3]

Make of it what you will, but I was only repeating what I have heard said on these forums a zillion times. Look back through a few threads and you will know what I mean.:)


That's okay, I honestly don't like to hack into others posts but it just seemed a little distasteful.

I have read of what you speak of, I've probably been one of the ones who've written what you speak of.

I do believe education, (although millions of people make good money without an education). :thumbsup: Traineeships, Contract work, time and effort- the cases I speak of are the ones that I have witnessed close family members achieve,

example: My Mother worked for 20 years on a low income in IT. Now it is paying off. (THAT IS DESERVED). She doesn't whinge about her tax bracket.

KRudd announced he will defer tax cuts to people who earn over 180k.
I just don't think that's fair. Just because high income earners are on a high income doesn't mean they should fund his planned budget.

Some people sign contracts so they only work for a small amount of money for so many years, I can't understand why? If their so worried about the lack of money they earn, why don't they look at ways to go out and make more money?
IE: Change of location, studying, training, etc.

Whining about the ones who do make it big doesn't exactly solve anyones financial dilemma.

AND I will add, there are obviously people out there who are quite capable of earning a lot of money but they do not wish to go for the high paying jobs because they value what their already doing.

Believe it or not, there are liberal supporters who are quite poor and/or single parents.
There are 'the above', who support liberal policies for more then just their own financial situations.

[forbetoel]

KRudd announced he will defer tax cuts to people who earn over 180k.
I just don't think that's fair. Just because high income earners are on a high income doesn't mean they should fund his planned budget.

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Well I am not earning over $180,000 a year, but I could safely say that if I was that I would be quite happy to see my tax cut go to better hospitals and schools. I would be proud that I was in a good enough financial position to be able help out. That's just me though, but I am sure other people in this tax bracket would feel the same.

Oh and I agree with you about money having nothing to do with voting:thumbsup:
My DH's boss is a multi millionaire and is voting Labor, because he says he is voting with his workers in mind, and he doesn't use AWA's and wants to see them gone. There are a lot of rich people who are very happy with their 'lot' in life, and are more than happy to see Australia's wealth finally trickle down to those who need it more.:)

[Ashleigh<3]

Well I am not earning over $180,000 a year, but I could safely say that if I was that I would be quite happy to see my tax cut go to better hospitals and schools. I would be proud that I was in a good enough financial position to be able help out. That's just me though, but I am sure other people in this tax bracket would feel the same.

Oh and I agree with you about money having nothing to do with voting:thumbsup:
My DH's boss is a multi millionaire and is voting Labor, because he says he is voting with his workers in mind, and he doesn't use AWA's and wants to see them gone. There are a lot of rich people who are very happy with their 'lot' in life, and are more than happy to see Australia's wealth finally trickle down to those who need it more.:)

I am not earning 180k a year either- I am far from that tax bracket.

I have watched my parents pay over 100k a year in tax, while they struggle to pay their own mortgage and get their debts out of the way, put food on the table, pay for medical care and dental care, etc.
It is not exactly easy living when you have a family of five and are on a high income.
People just assume it's easy because the salary package looks big.

[Mr. Ogyny]

Look I agree with quite a lot of what you say They. It seems to me as though Howard & co are creating two speed economy. .

When it comes to it, neither party are prepared to not give the tax cuts to nearly everyone. I don't think people just vote on this basis.

I just don't think that you can split the country into rich self interested Howard voters and considerate poor labor supporters.

I am going to try this one last time.....back to political adverts - Do you think the liberal adverts showing local mps doing their thing, targetted I am sure for marginal seats, show

(a) shrewd marketing
(b) desperate attempt to get back in

Has anyone seen the adverts I mean - I only saw them shown on Sunday morning's Insider program - I thought it was a very interesting change of tack.

Thanks. :D

I think the Costello thing is biting them on the ***. For whatever reason the electorate doesn't like him and it showed during the Rudd/Howard debate. Whenever Costello was mentioned the worm took a swan dive. I think the Liberal Party is distancing themselves from the leadership handover and concentrating on the locals.

On a separate note I saw that ad with the ex-Labor MP talking about how **** Rudd is last night. I'm going to have to track his story down.

[forbetoel]

It is not exactly easy living when you have a family of five and are on a high income.
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I have a family of 6 on an averagish wage, we get by, so I am sure it would be a hell of a lot easier if we were on even double the amount.
I am not going to feel sorry for people on high incomes, because if they are doing it tough, then pity the poor bugger raising 3 kids on $40,000 a year.:eek:

[Pippi Longstocking]

I am not going to feel sorry for people on high incomes, because if they are doing it tough, then pity the poor bugger raising 3 kids on $40,000 a year.:eek:

Or 5 kids...like us.

[Ashleigh<3]

I have a family of 6 on an averagish wage, we get by, so I am sure it would be a hell of a lot easier if we were on even double the amount.
I am not going to feel sorry for people on high incomes, because if they are doing it tough, then pity the poor bugger raising 3 kids on $40,000 a year.:eek:

You are within your rights. :)

People go through hurdles in life regardless of what their income is. Unfortunately my family were given their fair share.
ie: sickness- opeartions, funeral costs, car accidents, debts.
A high income doesn't exactly fund the above.
Especially if it's of the abundant.

And yes, I have friends who are low incomes and have three kids and they manage very well.

We are all of differing situations.

[Mr. Ogyny]

Operations used to be completely covered by Medicare.

[forbetoel]

People go through hurdles in life regardless of what their income is. Unfortunately my family were given their fair share.
ie: sickness- opeartions, funeral costs, car accidents, debts.
A high income doesn't exactly fund the above.
Especially if it's of the abundant.

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I have empathy for anybody experiencing personal problems, but again, if it is hard financially while experiencing these problems, imagine what it would be like on a low income.

So if you say a high income does not fund the above, then how do you think people on low wages manage with the same problems? If I was struggling to live off a high wage, no matter what my personal problems were, I could gaurantee that I would be thinking "thank god, I am earning decent money, heaven help me if I were not!"

[forbetoel]

Or 5 kids...like us.

I only said 3 kids in response to it being hard to raise a family of 5 on a high income......your story Guv only strengthens my opinion.

[Pippi Longstocking]

I only said 3 kids in response to it being hard to raise a family of 5 on a high income......your story Guv only strengthens my opinion.

Yeah I know:yes: , I was backing you up :D

[Ashleigh<3]

I have empathy for anybody experiencing personal problems, but again, if it is hard financially while experiencing these problems, imagine what it would be like on a low income.

So if you say a high income does not fund the above, then how do you think people on low wages manage with the same problems? If I was struggling to live off a high wage, no matter what my personal problems were, I could gaurantee that I would be thinking "thank god, I am earning decent money, heaven help me if I were not!"


I have empathy for anybody going through those hurdles too.

Yes, you raise good points. But I understand what it's like for people to make financial mistakes.
ie: Having a lot of debt.

Low income earners get stuck in this rut and so do high income earners.
I don't believe we should punish high income earners for their financial mistakes.
They are working so they can pay it off and they are supporting their family the same.
*As well as financially supporting two/three other families who rely on family benefits*

They are just as worthy of a tax cut as someone who is doing the same in a low income.

People are paid according to their skills/experience.
(Yes, I'm aware of the hard missions police officers, paramedics, nurses, teachers, etc take on).

If they are being paid poorly and it bothers them then they should look elsewhere for work.

I don't believe we should make those who have made it suffer by telling them they are not eligible for tax cuts because of their salary.

It is not a high income earners fault that the government makes the above jobs poorly paid.

[forbetoel]

Low income earners get stuck in this rut and so do high income earners.
I don't believe we should punish high income earners for their financial mistakes.
People are paid according to their skills/experience.
(Yes, I'm aware of the hard missions police officers, paramedics, nurses, teachers, etc take on).

If they are being paid poorly and it bothers them then they should look elsewhere for work.

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Well I think a lot of what you have said is some of the reasons why people get the opinion that Liberal supporters don't care. Now I am not saying that you don't, but if you think people not being happy with what they are earning should just look for other work...well...IMO that just doesn't come across right.
And I don't believe that high income earners are being punished for their mistakes.
The fact is skill can have very little to do with earning power, you only have to look to the mines for that, there are many who would be classed as uneducated earning well over $100,000 a year, while a 'highly qualified' childcare worker is struggling to make $35,000 a year. If you study to be a childcare worker, you know that you will never make a lot of money, and if you study to be,..say a lawyer, you would be expecting to one day earn a lot of money. I have no problems with different pay rates, and some earning a lot more than others, that is not my argument. I am only saying that it is easier to pay your way through life with more money! Does it make you happier? NO, but it does make things easier, and so I see no problem with high income earners passing their tax cuts onto to badly needed services that impact on the whole community.

[~Bec~]

The fact is skill can have very little to do with earning power,


Very true. My DF was dux, has a science degree, is an absolute bl00dy know-all, works as 2IC for a manufacturing company, is much more loyal and hard working than me and has over 10 years industry experience. I have a degree but I work in a different industry to my degree. I have less than 10 years experience in my industry and would be considered at best very junior management yet I can earn twice as much as df.

A job is a job and someone has to do it, be it executive, teacher, trolley collector, waiter, whatever and all deserve to earn a wage sufficient that they can sustain a reasonable standard of living. In fact all jobs should be able to pay enough to support the worker and at least one other dependent (IMO).

[forbetoel]

A job is a job and someone has to do it, be it executive, teacher, trolley collector, waiter, whatever and all deserve to earn a wage sufficient that they can sustain a reasonable standard of living. In fact all jobs should be able to pay enough to support the worker and at least one other dependent (IMO).

Awesome post Becs999...... who could argue with that! (that wasn't an invitation:p)

Seriously, I couldn't agree with you more, every job needs to be done, every job is important for one reason or another, and everyone should be entitiled to a fair days pay, for a fair days work!:)

[devlin's mom]

I've read a couple of weeks ago that some MP's were concerned with the negative images of Howard and Costello. With the hope of being re-elected, they would "distance" themselves from their leaders and come up with this slogan of "things done locally", no pictures of Howard in their pamphlets and just the MP in those huge billboards.

No sure if this is the truth.



Look I agree with quite a lot of what you say They. It seems to me as though Howard & co are creating two speed economy. .

When it comes to it, neither party are prepared to not give the tax cuts to nearly everyone. I don't think people just vote on this basis.

I just don't think that you can split the country into rich self interested Howard voters and considerate poor labor supporters.

I am going to try this one last time.....back to political adverts - Do you think the liberal adverts showing local mps doing their thing, targetted I am sure for marginal seats, show

(a) shrewd marketing
(b) desperate attempt to get back in

Has anyone seen the adverts I mean - I only saw them shown on Sunday morning's Insider program - I thought it was a very interesting change of tack.

[xkwzit]

Just a remionder to keep on topic. This thread was all about political advertising, let's not diverge into generalising about the attitudes of ppl who vote certain ways.

Cheers

[Odessa]

Speaking of political ads, this one's quite simple but effective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMII_3_4Fr4

[MariaO]

Yes, the whole series of you tube ads bring a whole new dimension to political spin don't they. Much easier and cheaper to produce. My favourites are the ones not produced by the parties themselves.

Some very funny ones.

[xkwzit]

A few more offtopic posts have been deleted. If we don't have anything more to say about political advertisements, this thread will be closed.

I say most of them suck :D

[SorenLorensen]

I say most of them suck :D

could not agree more.

mind you even as a liberal supporter i did like the rove spin on the one with the anoying nasal woman:yes:

[Odessa]

This one is being shown in my electorate of Bennelong at the moment:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AgvLNnWm_3w

It's an independent ad about Howard's inaction on climate change