sahp!?

[mumma_jessy]

Why is it that both parties are offering strategies for Child care, but no-one is offereing any assistance to mothers who want to stay at home and raise their own children?

Suer there is FTB, but does it really do much these days, does it actually help, is it enough?

It seems to me that they want the child care centres to be raising our children? Trying to force women to go back to work. Even part time work is not worthwile to many families' pockets, in fact generally they loose money if a mum goes back a few days a week, the only way to get ahead is full time work!

Would it mean much to you if a political party had some kind of strategy for this issue?

[HugsAndKisses]

i think the child care incentives are really good...i think they are definately needed for those who do want to work at some point..

BUT i do definately aggre with you that they should also help mothers who choose to stay at home with there children...i mean the government seem to want us to have babies to continue population b8ut yet dont do much to help us support them....id love if they upped the payments a bit for stay at home mums as i think with all the work we do as stay at home parents we definately deserve it:yes:

[tickle]

It is not good for the economy. Women going back to work means that they will be paying tax and families will rely less on the FTB. That's my take on it anyway.

[forbetoel]

Why is it that both parties are offering strategies for Child care, but no-one is offereing any assistance to mothers who want to stay at home and raise their own children?

Suer there is FTB, but does it really do much these days, does it actually help, is it enough?

It seems to me that they want the child care centres to be raising our children? Trying to force women to go back to work. Even part time work is not worthwile to many families' pockets, in fact generally they loose money if a mum goes back a few days a week, the only way to get ahead is full time work!

Would it mean much to you if a political party had some kind of strategy for this issue?

:yelclap: :smiliedance: :thumbsup: I totally agree, whats with the push to help pay for kids to be in childcare centres? When you have kids, you know the costs involved, if you are going to have to rely on childcare then you need to do the maths...will you go back to work or not, or will you stay home, or, maybe you just won't have kids. The government shouldn't be paying for the babysitting.:no:

[forbetoel]

Why is it that both parties are offering strategies for Child care, but no-one is offereing any assistance to mothers who want to stay at home and raise their own children?

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And there are still plenty of mums who do want to raise their own children. The money I get for staying at home really helps, but even if I didn't get it, I would still find a way to stay at home to raise my OWN children. I don't think SAHM are a dying breed, there are plenty of mums who want to be with their kids, so why all the focus on trying to get the next generation raised mainly by a childcare centre?

[MissSookyLaLa]

Here here!

i think we will get about 45 bucks a fortnight while im off work looking after our new arrival- so it looks like its back to work for me!

why dont they give me all the money they will give me for putting the kid in childcare instead- it would help a lot more than 45 bucks a fortnight...and pay me rather than someone else to look after my own child!

[Shanaynay]

I don't think they are forcing women out to work - they are addressing the issue that many career-minded women are either delaying having children, or not having them at all.
Many women don't want to be SAHM mums and the whole childcare issue really influences if or how many children they have.

[canberramomma]

Why is it that both parties are offering strategies for Child care, but no-one is offereing any assistance to mothers who want to stay at home and raise their own children?

Suer there is FTB, but does it really do much these days, does it actually help, is it enough?

It seems to me that they want the child care centres to be raising our children? Trying to force women to go back to work. Even part time work is not worthwile to many families' pockets, in fact generally they loose money if a mum goes back a few days a week, the only way to get ahead is full time work!

Would it mean much to you if a political party had some kind of strategy for this issue?

I know that I'm a bit biased, but The Greens and other minor parties have policies on this issue as well as other 'social justice' issues. Maybe you should look into these more deeply and find a party that is right for you.

[forbetoel]

Many women don't want to be SAHM mums and the whole childcare issue really influences if or how many children they have.

And that's fine, but they shouldn't go looking for the government to pay for childminding. If work is a priority then either just have the one child, or don't at all, if you can't afford the fee's, I would like to see our tax dollars better spent. The poor old pensioners don't even get thrown the scraps-from either party :( Yet women having kids are thrown money, left, right and centre. If money is the answer to women having more kids, then that is just a sad reflection of society. I don't like the idea that money could make someone 'pop' one more out just to hand over to daycare.

[forbetoel]

why dont they give me all the money they will give me for putting the kid in childcare instead- it would help a lot more than 45 bucks a fortnight...and pay me rather than someone else to look after my own child!

Exactly, if people genuinly can't afford to be at home, but would like to, then this is where the money should go, I just don't understand the need to make it easier to work and leave your child, why not make it easier to be at home with your child, for those that wish to. :)

[Shanaynay]

And that's fine, but they shouldn't go looking for the government to pay for childminding. If work is a priority then either just have the one child, or don't at all, if you can't afford the fee's, I would like to see our tax dollars better spent. The poor old pensioners don't even get thrown the scraps-from either party :( Yet women having kids are thrown money, left, right and centre. If money is the answer to women having more kids, then that is just a sad reflection of society. I don't like the idea that money could make someone 'pop' one more out just to hand over to daycare.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they should get more support that mums who DO want to stay home - just explaining to the OP that that's WHY the parties are pushing the childcare issue.... 1. because it's a major source of frustration for many famillies, and 2. it means having children is easier and more affordable, and the government WANTS as many bubs born as possible - so pushing the improving the whole childcare thing can be one solution to the alleged problem of our falling population.

[forbetoel]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they should get more support that mums who DO want to stay home - just explaining to the OP that that's WHY the parties are pushing the childcare issue.... 1. because it's a major source of frustration for many famillies, and 2. it means having children is easier and more affordable, and the government WANTS as many bubs born as possible - so pushing the improving the whole childcare thing can be one solution to the alleged problem of our falling population.

Yeah, I understand what you are saying:thumbsup:
I just think it is a shame how many kids are thrown into daycare these days, but I guess that is my own opinion. Anyway thanks for that, you do make perfect sense. :)

[Shanaynay]

You know what the govt should do? Offer free childcare (so they'd be paying the centres approx $50-$120 a day for one child) OR if you didn't want ot use childcare, YOU get paid the $$$ instead :D

If they really want to boost the population, they need to stop making the first baby sound so tempting with the baby bonus etc.. and start making it easier for people to KEEP having children (if they want to!) after the first or second.... so many people would love more than the average 2.1 kids and finances just make it damn near impossible :thumbsdown:

[MissSookyLaLa]

hey phineas, i totally agree!

id much rather they not pay the baby bonus, and use that money to put towards paid maternity leave etc etc

of course, i wont say no to the bonus- and it will go a long way to help me stay with bub until he is old enough to go to child care...and child care is great, but it kills me that im going to have to put my little one into care when he is less than a year old just so we can afford to eat more than 2 minute noodles for dinner!

[forbetoel]

You know what the govt should do? Offer free childcare (so they'd be paying the centres approx $50-$120 a day for one child) OR if you didn't want ot use childcare, YOU get paid the $$$ instead :D

If they really want to boost the population, they need to stop making the first baby sound so tempting with the baby bonus etc.. and start making it easier for people to KEEP having children (if they want to!) after the first or second.... so many people would love more than the average 2.1 kids and finances just make it damn near impossible :thumbsdown:

:thumbsup: You should get into politics.
Tell me, do you think some of the financial strain is is our own doing? Do we have to have more, own more, do more than previous generations? Maybe sometimes, it is not really "we can't afford another baby" but "another baby is not a priority" What do you think?

I am not saying this is always the case, so I am generalising here.

[forbetoel]

, but it kills me that im going to have to put my little one into care when he is less than a year old just so we can afford to eat more than 2 minute noodles for dinner!

:( See why pump more money into childcare, when there are plenty of mums who would love to take care of their own little ones. I feel for you can'twait :hugs: It would nearly kill me to not be with my kids, I only just manage financially as it is.

[Ana Gram]

:thumbsup: You should get into politics.
Tell me, do you think some of the financial strain is is our own doing? Do we have to have more, own more, do more than previous generations? Maybe sometimes, it is not really "we can't afford another baby" but "another baby is not a priority" What do you think?

I am not saying this is always the case, so I am generalising here.

That may factor into it but I also think that women now have more open to them.

[Shanaynay]

Tell me, do you think some of the financial strain is is our own doing? Do we have to have more, own more, do more than previous generations? Maybe sometimes, it is not really "we can't afford another baby" but "another baby is not a priority" What do you think?


TBH, I do think families today are making it harder on themselves that they need to.
There seems to be some kind of 'there is a perfect time for babies' mentality, when in fact, I don't think it really exists.
You know, people think that late 20's is the right time, you should be married, you should have mortgage, the right car, and a bit of savings in the bank.
Now for a late 20's couple in this decade, just owning a house is very difficult!
People ARE putting owning houses, nice cars etc... ahead of having more children.... they think it's the 'right' thing to do, and to struggle a bit while you complete your family is the WRONG way to do things.
I mean, it sux to struggle, but I know me personally, I chose to have my second baby in a less that desirable financial position, because having a 2nd baby and giving my DD a sibling to grow up with was worth a bit of added pressure with finances etc...
It's not wrong to only want to have a baby when everything is 'perfect', but reality is, for 99% of couples/families, there is NEVER a perfect time, and it saddens me that people are brushing aside their desires to start a family or have more children, while they wait for that 'perfect' time that may never actually arrive :(
So yeah I think that sometimes, finances are taking priority over families (which isn't wrong if people WANT it like that, but I suspect many don't).


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[Kizmet]

TBH, I do think families today are making it harder on themselves that they need to.
There seems to be some kind of 'there is a perfect time for babies' mentality, when in fact, I don't think it really exists.
You know, people think that late 20's is the right time, you should be married, you should have mortgage, the right car, and a bit of savings in the bank.
Now for a late 20's couple in this decade, just owning a house is very difficult!
People ARE putting owning houses, nice cars etc... ahead of having more children.... they think it's the 'right' thing to do, and to struggle a bit while you complete your family is the WRONG way to do things.
I mean, it sux to struggle, but I know me personally, I chose to have my second baby in a less that desirable financial position, because having a 2nd baby and giving my DD a sibling to grow up with was worth a bit of added pressure with finances etc...
It's not wrong to only want to have a baby when everything is 'perfect', but reality is, for 99% of couples/families, there is NEVER a perfect time, and it saddens me that people are brushing aside their desires to start a family or have more children, while they wait for that 'perfect' time that may never actually arrive :(
So yeah I think that sometimes, finances are taking priority over families (which isn't wrong if people WANT it like that, but I suspect many don't).


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:yelclap: :yelclap: Phineas for PM!!:yelclap: :yelclap:

[MissSookyLaLa]

:yelclap: :yelclap: Phineas for PM!!:yelclap: :yelclap:

yeah i'll vote for phineas over J-Ho or K-Rudd any day of the week! :smiliedance:

[mummy2sophie]

Yep Phineas for PM!!! :thumbsup: :yelclap:

I totally agree. Regardless of the extra bonus that the govt pays for childcare, our family will not be able to have both children in childcare. At the end of the week I'd probably only have about $100 left over, so not worth it financially. And I earn slightly over the average wage. But maybe they should pay secondary school teachers more so I'd have more left over!! :fingerscrossed:

I'd rather be at home anyway...it saddens me how much these child care workers are paid too. Someone out there is making a LOT of money out of this whole thing, because sure as sure that money from the govt is not going to the child care workers. Who deserve SOOOOO much more.
I can think of better ways to encourage families to have more children, like maternity pay. I thought Julia Gilliard had some idea on this??? :confused: