Howard/Rudd Interview 60 minutes

[SalTheGal]

Anyone else just watch them.

Does anyone else find KRudd painfully cliche'd and annoying to listen too?!?!:no:

He just seems to say all the "right" things, has all the little cliches down pat, and seems so fake, I almost felt like he wants to be PM not because he cares about the country but because its another box for him to tick on his political career path....I was actually cringing listening to him.:rolleyes:

Johnny on the other hand really comes across as genuine, passionate, and sincere.:yelclap:

[forbetoel]

Johnny on the other hand really comes across as genuine, passionate, and sincere.:yelclap:

Well that is a description I have never heard for johnny, I think decietful, snake, and a lying so and so would be much more accurate. Oh if I only had the time to type all of his wonderful lies, I actually nearly choked when you described him as sincere, he is far from it.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

[allysophia]

Just on a side not, could the interviewers ask any LAMER questions?

Gosh Tara Brown is a complete tw*t..

[SalTheGal]

Just on a side not, could the interviewers ask any LAMER questions?

Gosh Tara Brown is a complete tw*t..

Yeah very true, they weren't the most hard hitting interviews in the world...interesting that you say that cause I very rarely watch 60mins these days as I think it has gone down the gurgler big time!

[SalTheGal]

Well that is a description I have never heard for johnny, I think decietful, snake, and a lying so and so would be much more accurate. Oh if I only had the time to type all of his wonderful lies, I actually nearly choked when you described him as sincere, he is far from it.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Ah yes well each to their own. :D

[LovelyRita]

I don't particularly like either of them THAT much. I must admit to shuddering quite a bit as John Howard spoke. Honestly, he makes me sick.

Maybe there isn't that much difference between the two parties these days but gee the ALP have a few more boxes checked on my "Things the Government Must Address" list. :yes:

I will be voting Greens to show my distaste for the conservative leanings of the opposition. But really, what can the Coalition claim apart from a supposed strong economy and 'experience'? They've left a whole lot of people behind for that $10 billion dollar surplus.

[Baldie's Mum]

LIAM BARTLETT: You have never been a minister, you have never been in government, you've never even run a corner shop how are you qualified to run the country? KEVIN RUDD: What I bring to the table is a long period of time as a senior public servant, I have worked as a diplomat representing Australia overseas, I run my own small business, I've been in parliament for nearly a decade and I grew up on a farm. I actually think it's good having a spread of experiences.

WOW, i think someone is trying to take the cake for his wifes business! My husband laughed when he said "i grew up on a farm"! what the h3ll does that have to do with running the country!

Mark Latham said you're a snake, he called to a traitor, a terrible piece of work — is that the real Kevin Rudd.
KEVIN RUDD: There's a question you should put to Mr Latham.

Why should we ask latham, he has already stated what he thinks! Aren't they supposed to be on the same team???


LIAM BARTLETT: You've got to sell yourself, though, in six weeks, don't you? Part of the criticism has been that you have a glass jaw, that you're very, very defensive — why do people say that? KEVIN RUDD: There is a question you should put to them.

You still havent answered the question.....You have heard the criticism why would you need to ask them....they have stated their point.....where is the answer?


LIAM BARTLETT: If you don't get over the line in six weeks' time, will you stay as Labor leader. KEVIN RUDD: My focus is on election day. I'm determined to do everything in my power to get us across the line — everything.

Staying around k-rudd?????


LIAM BARTLETT: You haven't written the victory speech yet? KEVIN RUDD: Good grief! Absolutely not. If you are up against Mr Howard, he is the most clever and cunning politician that this country has ever produced in decades.

Ummmmm k-rudd are you fore or against mr howard?? Deary your supposed to be a poli! Your not supposed to tell the public that you are kinda in awe of the prime minister! Did you forget that your supposed win votes to run the country, not win friends to run the country!

(all the orange parts are from http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=305486)

[Baldie's Mum]

TARA BROWN: Do you think you will ever say sorry on the issue of Aboriginal reconciliation? JOHN HOWARD: I'm sorry for injustices — I have said that repeatedly — but there is a difference between expressing sorrow for something and apologising when you expect accept responsibility. I do not believe the present generation of Australians should accept responsibility for the misdeeds of earlier generations. I think that is dealing with that issue on the basis of blame and guilt — that is not going to solve anything. We have to look forward. We have spent too much time behaving as if we were two separate nations. We are one Australia. We are one great tribe, one great Australia. I believe that very passionately and that is the way to approach the indigenous issue.


:yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap:

ONE COUNTRY BABY!
GO AUSTRALIA!!!
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!

[delirium]

Well I guess it's really depends on who you vote for. Labour voters are going to like Rudd and his message, Lib voters will like Johnny's address. I've been a labour voter before I could even vote :yes: and I like Rudd. I think he's down to earth but not as ocker as Beasley (and not as temporamental as Latham :rolleyes: ). I actually find Howard quite insincere, particularly when he talks about looking after middle and low income Aust. I laugh at how he trys to use the "we've done well in the past" stuff, ummm, that's a matter of opinion there Johnny.

[LovelyRita]

TARA BROWN: Do you think you will ever say sorry on the issue of Aboriginal reconciliation? JOHN HOWARD: I'm sorry for injustices — I have said that repeatedly — but there is a difference between expressing sorrow for something and apologising when you expect accept responsibility. I do not believe the present generation of Australians should accept responsibility for the misdeeds of earlier generations. I think that is dealing with that issue on the basis of blame and guilt — that is not going to solve anything. We have to look forward. We have spent too much time behaving as if we were two separate nations. We are one Australia. We are one great tribe, one great Australia. I believe that very passionately and that is the way to approach the indigenous issue.


:yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap:

ONE COUNTRY BABY!
GO AUSTRALIA!!!
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!


Wow, that is really working now isn't it???
See, this is one of the things he said that makes me sick to my stomach. :barf:

[Baldie's Mum]

I am cheering for our country which is broken....I want our country to be whole! i want our country to aknowledge our past and learn from it.......dwelling on the past is not going to take us forward as a country. Yes it was horrible, but what is sorry going to do??? its a word.....it wont change the past, nothing will! :crying:

[forbetoel]

Wow, that is really working now isn't it???
See, this is one of the things he said that makes me sick to my stomach. :barf:

It made me feel sick too:yes: sadly he can say anything insincere, and some voters will still buy it, and call it sincere :confused: :(

[~Emmylou~]

LIAM BARTLETT: You haven't written the victory speech yet? [/COLOR]KEVIN RUDD: Good grief! Absolutely not. If you are up against Mr Howard, he is the most clever and cunning politician that this country has ever produced in decades.

Ummmmm k-rudd are you fore or against mr howard?? Deary your supposed to be a poli! Your not supposed to tell the public that you are kinda in awe of the prime minister! Did you forget that your supposed win votes to run the country, not win friends to run the country!

(all the orange parts are from http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=305486)

It's called playing the underdog - it's one of the oldest political tactics there is and you'll see it coming from BOTH sides a lot in the next six weeks. He knows what he's doing :D

J-Ho is a master at it. Though I suspect he will be too busy mud slinging in a blind panic to devote his full attention to it this time as he usually does ;)

[forbetoel]

J-Ho is a master at it. Though I suspect he will be too busy mud slinging in a blind panic to devote his full attention to it this time as he usually does ;)

:yes:

[~J'dore~]

I'm not an Aussie citizen (yet) so I cant vote anyway, but it amazes me how many people voted for Latham last election and look at what a tool he turned out to be, at least with John Howard you know what you're getting and in my opinion it's a strong and fair economy.

I'm not against Kevin Rudd, but I would hate to see the rest of his party lead if he were to step down during his term.

[Angelmist♥]

J-Ho is a master at it. Though I suspect he will be too busy mud slinging in a blind panic to devote his full attention to it this time as he usually does

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Of course.............KRudd would never mud sling hey:rolleyes:

[forbetoel]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Of course.............KRudd would never mud sling hey:rolleyes:

Well he has refrained from it so far.

[spoon]

Well he has refrained from it so far.
:smiliedance: :smiliedance: :smiliedance: :smiliedance: :smiliedance: :smiliedance:

[SassyMummy]

Just realised, Ains paraphrased some of what Kevin Rudd answered with, editting bits out to suit her...

So it's really not an accurate representation of what was actually said. For example:


LIAM BARTLETT: Mark Latham said you're a snake, he called to a traitor, a terrible piece of work — is that the real Kevin Rudd.

KEVIN RUDD: There's a question you should put to Mr Latham. I'm about the future, not the past. I am a very practical sort of person. I am interested in policy that works to advance the interests of working families, kids getting ahead through education, decent hospitals when you need them. This is what fires my imagination life. You know what else fires my imagination? How do you build this country's long-term prosperity?

LIAM BARTLETT: You've got to sell yourself, though, in six weeks, don't you? Part of the criticism has been that you have a glass jaw, that you're very, very defensive — why do people say that?

KEVIN RUDD: There is a question you should put to them. That has never been my experience. What I have learnt in this business of politics is you are always going to cop a whack around the ears from time to time and when the whack comes around the ears, even if you think it is deserved or not, it is best just to shut up and allow it to happen.

Ains only offered you the first few lines of Rudds replies, making me (who didn't watch the interview on TV) wonder if Kevin was just avoiding answering most questions... as it turns out though, it looks like he DID answer his questions. Why do you people say he has a glass jaw? Well, he says it's never been his experience so you'd have to ask them.

Sneaky Sneaky editting Ains! :p

I actually really liked this question and answer...


LIAM BARTLETT: But really you have conformed in every other way, haven't you? You have painted yourself as almost a mini John Howard. You talk about being an economic conservative, and you do the whole 'me too' thing — and a lot of people are critical of that — when we go to see the real Kevin Rudd? Is it the day after polling day?

KEVIN RUDD: I am who I am. Everything I say extends from what I believe in. I talk about the education revolution for example. That is something I am deeply passionate about. I am deeply passionate about fixing the hospital system. You can't go out there and speak to your viewers with a plan and be bogus or phoney about your commitment to it. But I tell you this … I have never believed in opposition for opposition's sake. When Mr Howard goes out there and comes up with a good idea — tick. I think that's where many politicians just get it wrong.

I do agree, there's no reason to be an opposition just to go against what the government says. If they have good ideas, why would you just say, "NOPE! I HATE IT!" just because you're in the opposition? I find that quite damaging really... some ideas are good, so there's no reason why they can't be shared.

[spoon]

Just realised, Ains paraphrased some of what Kevin Rudd answered with, editting bits out to suit her...

So it's really not an accurate representation of what was actually said. For example:



Ains only offered you the first few lines of Rudds replies, making me (who didn't watch the interview on TV) wonder if Kevin was just avoiding answering most questions... as it turns out though, it looks like he DID answer his questions. Why do you people say he has a glass jaw? Well, he says it's never been his experience so you'd have to ask them.

Sneaky Sneaky editting Ains! :p

I actually really liked this question and answer...


I do agree, there's no reason to be an opposition just to go against what the government says. If they have good ideas, why would you just say, "NOPE! I HATE IT!" just because you're in the opposition? I find that quite damaging really... some ideas are good, so there's no reason why they can't be shared.

Thanks for that Stace. :rolleyes: Liberal tactics:rolleyes:

[forbetoel]

Just realised, Ains paraphrased some of what Kevin Rudd answered with, editting bits out to suit her...

So it's really not an accurate representation of what was actually said. For example:



Ains only offered you the first few lines of Rudds replies, making me (who didn't watch the interview on TV) wonder if Kevin was just avoiding answering most questions... as it turns out though, it looks like he DID answer his questions. Why do you people say he has a glass jaw? Well, he says it's never been his experience so you'd have to ask them.

Sneaky Sneaky editting Ains! :p

I actually really liked this question and answer...


I do agree, there's no reason to be an opposition just to go against what the government says. If they have good ideas, why would you just say, "NOPE! I HATE IT!" just because you're in the opposition? I find that quite damaging really... some ideas are good, so there's no reason why they can't be shared.

Great Post Sassy's mum, I actually haven't read the transcript from the full interview, but I will now. Ains :shame: Don't edit a quote from someone leaving out the most vital piece of information. Looks like once again, Kevin answered the question really well.....I guess this is why you left it out?

[AquaDevil78]

Well that is a description I have never heard for johnny, I think decietful, snake, and a lying so and so would be much more accurate. Oh if I only had the time to type all of his wonderful lies, I actually nearly choked when you described him as sincere, he is far from it.:barf:

:yelclap: Kevin said it exactly right Mr Howard is a clever and cunning Polly .. a polite way of saying he is a deceitful liar who knows how to pull all the tricks, and suck voters in. :rolleyes:

I really don't know why people have it for Kevin, why because he is down to earth human being, who has lived on both sides of the fence and worked hard to get where he is today?? In touch with people etc.. oh gee we don't want anyone running our country like that do we.. :confused:

[RainbowStars]

LIAM BARTLETT: You have never been a minister, you have never been in government, you've never even run a corner shop how are you qualified to run the country? KEVIN RUDD: What I bring to the table is a long period of time as a senior public servant, I have worked as a diplomat representing Australia overseas, I run my own small business, I've been in parliament for nearly a decade and I grew up on a farm. I actually think it's good having a spread of experiences.

WOW, i think someone is trying to take the cake for his wifes business! My husband laughed when he said "i grew up on a farm"! what the h3ll does that have to do with running the country!

I don't understand? Why is that funny? :confused:

It gives detail to the last sentence "I actually think it's good having a spread of experiences". Do you have any idea what it is like to grow up on a farm? Do you know how much work goes into it?

Sorry, but i actually applaud the fact that a man going for the Prime Minister role grew up on a farm. I think it says alot for Australia.

Since when does how a person grew up have nothing to do with running our country? Does their past life and struggles not make a difference?

Can i also ask why you edited out parts of Kevin Rudd's answers?

[Roopee]

On the mud slinging issue?
You all are bagging JH for doing it? Dont worry- KRudd is doing it too- that man is passive aggressive!
And mud slinging mustn't be too bad? You're all doing it.

[spoon]

And mud slinging mustn't be too bad? You're all doing it.


????? How so????

By pointing out misleading information and then providing the correct information???

[~Emmylou~]

Day one of the campaign and it's down and dirty already LOL.

It's gonna be a loooongg six weeks :laughing:

[Roopee]

Well that is a description I have never heard for johnny, I think decietful, snake, and a lying so and so would be much more accurate. Oh if I only had the time to type all of his wonderful lies, I actually nearly choked when you described him as sincere, he is far from it.:barf: :barf: :barf:
There is one.


Anyone else just watch them.

Does anyone else find KRudd painfully cliche'd and annoying to listen too?!?!

He just seems to say all the "right" things, has all the little cliches down pat, and seems so fake, I almost felt like he wants to be PM not because he cares about the country but because its another box for him to tick on his political career path....I was actually cringing listening to him.


I agree with this but its still an example.


It made me feel sick too sadly he can say anything insincere, and some voters will still buy it, and call it sincere
Another one.




J-Ho is a master at it. Though I suspect he will be too busy mud slinging in a blind panic to devote his full attention to it this time as he usually does
And again


Thanks for that Stace. :rolleyes: Liberal tactics:rolleyes:
It's not the words here- its the emoticons.


Kevin said it exactly right Mr Howard is a clever and cunning Polly .. a polite way of saying he is a deceitful liar who knows how to pull all the tricks, and suck voters in.

And another one.

You can call it what you like but my interpretation of 'mud slinging' is name calling, ridiculing, and questioning another's integrity.
I have slung mud at Krudd too- not saying its bad to do, but i think that if your going to accuse someone else of doing it, you should make sure you, yourself dont do it?:confused:

[spoon]

There is one.


I agree with this but its still an example.


Another one.


And again


It's not the words here- its the emoticons.


And another one.

You can call it what you like but my interpretation of 'mud slinging' is name calling, ridiculing, and questioning another's integrity.
I have slung mud at Krudd too- not saying its bad to do, but i think that if your going to accuse someone else of doing it, you should make sure you, yourself dont do it?:confused:

Yep. fair is fair. I agree with you. Mud slinging is alive and well.

[Roopee]

Thank you! Gee and i was prepping for an argument then! Goodness me!:p:laughing:

[ThomasMum]

Does anyone else find KRudd painfully cliche'd and annoying to listen too?!?!:no:

Johnny on the other hand really comes across as genuine, passionate, and sincere.:yelclap:

Yeah agree! Listening and watching Rudd's body languages was :barf:

GO Mr Howard!! :yelclap: :smiliedance:

[forbetoel]

well I beg to differ, all of my so called mud slinging can be backed up, if you want me to add any text to support my view that Johnny is a liar and a snake then I will:yes: I don't dig up Johnny's personal life as an example, I will stick directly to his polital life, and that is where the Liberal mud slinging differs, they delve into and dig up the past, to find that mud to sling :shame:

[FishFace]

It was funny to watch.
I personally cannot warm to either of them so there si no need for me to look at body language or cliches.

I just have to think of the "so called" promises and weigh up who I think will do the best for our country.

I am not happy with what John Howard has done so I am keen to hear what Mr Rudd has to offer.

[spoon]

Thank you! Gee and i was prepping for an argument then! Goodness me!:p:laughing:

:D :hugs: I dont see why we should argue. You are entitled to your opinion and likewise for everyone who lives in this country. it is a right that we can choose to excersizse at any given time and uphold. what better time than on the lead up to electionday?

[spoon]

sorry. typing wiyh two babies on lap.

[Roopee]

well I beg to differ, all of my so called mud slinging can be backed up, if you want me to add any text to support my view that Johnny is a liar and a snake then I will:yes: I don't dig up Johnny's personal life as an example, I will stick directly to his polital life, and that is where the Liberal mud slinging differs, they delve into and dig up the past, to find that mud to sling :shame:

You can dig it up if you want. It'll be regarding the GST, children overboard, IR laws etc.
We can all sit here and research their political careers- doesnt change anything.
Do you think that Labor hasn't done any? Please, thats what an election campaign is all about. It's about selling a product, and in order to sell that product, they find and publicise 'flaws' in a competitors product.
I already explained what mt interpretation of of mud slinging was. I also never said i was not guilty of it. Its about the labels you use to describe someone, like liar, snake, and makes me sick etc etc.
These are my interpretations- you dont have to agree. I dont expect you to.

[forbetoel]

I will just say that Howard is a liar, is a snake, and yes it is my opinion, and yes it also just happens to be true. I am not going to sit here and say that the labor party is perfect, there have infact been times over the years that I have agreed with Liberal party policies, but this is about this election, and the current government, and current opposition. Oh and you forget to add in AWB scandal, the intesest rates that they promised to keep low, and............................

[Baldie's Mum]

Errr...NO, they are not on the same team! Latham is on no team anymore! And yes it is a question only Latham can answer, yes he has stated what he thinks, but he hasn't stated why. Latham threw mud at virtually every Labor minister on his way out the door, he was like a spoilt 2 year old who didn't get his way. He is the one with this view, so it would be appropriate to ask Latham this question.

Latham threw his opinions out there against his own side, they may or may not have been true....no one can say. but one thing is certain.......Latham and Rudd are both labor....just cause latham is a disgraced labor leader he was still batting on the same team.


I don't understand? Why is that funny? :confused:

It gives detail to the last sentence "I actually think it's good having a spread of experiences". Do you have any idea what it is like to grow up on a farm? Do you know how much work goes into it?

Sorry, but i actually applaud the fact that a man going for the Prime Minister role grew up on a farm. I think it says alot for Australia.

Since when does how a person grew up have nothing to do with running our country? Does their past life and struggles not make a difference?

My husband laughed because he is a 5th generation farmer....so yes he does understand what it is to run and manage a farm. It was the timing of the answer it was like he was fishing out exciting things he has done..... it was all spaced out and then he remembered oh yes i lived on a farm and my dad died there...
And running a farm is NOTHING like running the country. Unless you want to refer us to cows or sheep (or any other animal) being herded in for our daily jobs in an orderly fashion.....:rolleyes:

[LovelyRita]

But Roopee in my eyes these are not flaws of the government, they are deal breakers. GST, Children Overboard, IR laws, lack of or next to no action in regards to Indigenous Australian's (in fact lessening the chances of reconciliation!), shocking track record with refugees. But lets not worry about that as the economy is in a good state? Do these things honestly mean nothing?

I know that either side will not agree on a lot of things, but I struggle to understand how these very important issues can mean nothing to so many people? I know, I know, each to their own, it just leaves me a bit shattered.

[forbetoel]

Latham threw his opinions out there against his own side, they may or may not have been true....no one can say. but one thing is certain.......Latham and Rudd are both labor....just cause latham is a disgraced labor leader he was still batting on the same team.





Well I am now going to delete the post to which you are referring to, because you deliberatly left out important information that was required for me to give an imformed response.

[Baldie's Mum]

sorry. typing wiyh two babies on lap.


oh the life of a pasionate mummy!!! :laughing: :D :hugs:

[spoon]

But Roopee in my eyes these are not flaws of the government, they are deal breakers. GST, Children Overboard, IR laws, lack of or next to no action in regards to Indigenous Australian's (in fact lessening the chances of reconciliation!), shocking track record with refugees. But lets not worry about that as the economy is in a good state? Do these things honestly mean nothing?

I know that either side will not agree on a lot of things, but I struggle to understand how these very important issues can mean nothing to so many people? I know, I know, each to their own, it just leaves me a bit shattered.


They mean EVERYTHING to me, and i will have my say on election day.

[forbetoel]

But Roopee in my eyes these are not flaws of the government, they are deal breakers. GST, Children Overboard, IR laws, lack of or next to no action in regards to Indigenous Australian's (in fact lessening the chances of reconciliation!), shocking track record with refugees. But lets not worry about that as the economy is in a good state? Do these things honestly mean nothing?

I know that either side will not agree on a lot of things, but I struggle to understand how these very important issues can mean nothing to so many people? I know, I know, each to their own, it just leaves me a bit shattered.

:yelclap: :smiliedance: :D

[FishFace]

But Roopee in my eyes these are not flaws of the government, they are deal breakers. GST, Children Overboard, IR laws, lack of or next to no action in regards to Indigenous Australian's (in fact lessening the chances of reconciliation!), shocking track record with refugees. But lets not worry about that as the economy is in a good state? Do these things honestly mean nothing?

I know that either side will not agree on a lot of things, but I struggle to understand how these very important issues can mean nothing to so many people? I know, I know, each to their own, it just leaves me a bit shattered.


Ya deal breakers for me too!

[AquaDevil78]

Ya deal breakers for me too!

Me too, i mean come on people the only thing the Howard Government cares about is Money, making more, not spending any on anything worth while, rich getting richer so and so forth. If you cant see that then , well i have nothing else to say.


:smiliedance:

[RainbowStars]

My husband laughed because he is a 5th generation farmer....so yes he does understand what it is to run and manage a farm. It was the timing of the answer it was like he was fishing out exciting things he has done..... it was all spaced out and then he remembered oh yes i lived on a farm and my dad died there...
And running a farm is NOTHING like running the country. Unless you want to refer us to cows or sheep (or any other animal) being herded in for our daily jobs in an orderly fashion.....:rolleyes:

I don't see it as fishing out exciting things at all. I simply see it as describing the things that he has gone through - what sorts of job roles he has contributed towards. ANSWERING the question given to him.

Who said running a farm was anything like running a country??? Of course it's not. How is that fact that he grew up on a farm not relevant to the question? It was a past experience of his. It obviously taught him many things that he has carried with him throughout his life.

Why did you edit out his answers?

[Roopee]

I will just say that Howard is a liar, is a snake, and yes it is my opinion, and yes it also just happens to be true. I am not going to sit here and say that the labor party is perfect, there have infact been times over the years that I have agreed with Liberal party policies, but this is about this election, and the current government, and current opposition. Oh and you forget to add in AWB scandal, the intesest rates that they promised to keep low, and............................
I will not sit here and argue with you about it, We have a decent relationship, enough to know that we have differing opinions and i feel we pretty much respect it if each other.
I didnt leave out the other allegations, i wrote ETC, knowing as etc suggests, that there is probably more to it than that.
You and i will never agree on this issue- its a given- your Labor-Im Liberal.
But i do not want to argue with you.

[forbetoel]

I will not sit here and argue with you about it, We have a decent relationship, enough to know that we have differing opinions and i feel we pretty much respect it if each other.
I didnt leave out the other allegations, i wrote ETC, knowing as etc suggests, that there is probably more to it than that.
You and i will never agree on this issue- its a given- your Labor-Im Liberal.
But i do not want to argue with you.

:wave: :thumbsup:

[forbetoel]

Why did you edit out his answers?

Yes Ains, please tell us why?

[Phyllis Stein]

I think the fact Rudd has a farming background is relevant to his ability to govern the country, which, after all, includes many rural/ farming families. Land management issues are important to Australia's future, so it's an added bonus to have a leader with some personal experience.


in my eyes these are not flaws of the government, they are deal breakers

Absolutely 100% agreed.

[Baldie's Mum]

The point i was making had nothing to do with his 2nd part of the answer. I didnt ask about costello. i made a comment about the relativity about his farming background. He was 11 when he left the farm. I know by 11 you have a lifes worth of experience on a farm....its very very different to city life.

[Roopee]

But Roopee in my eyes these are not flaws of the government, they are deal breakers. GST, Children Overboard, IR laws, lack of or next to no action in regards to Indigenous Australian's (in fact lessening the chances of reconciliation!), shocking track record with refugees. But lets not worry about that as the economy is in a good state? Do these things honestly mean nothing?

I know that either side will not agree on a lot of things, but I struggle to understand how these very important issues can mean nothing to so many people? I know, I know, each to their own, it just leaves me a bit shattered.

And thats fine. These are your opinions and what works for you. Its what you believe in and its what makes or breaks a deal for you.
Its not what does it for me though. And that's the point i was trying to make.

Look, if we didnt have different opinions, it wouldn't be a campaign would it?
It would be no fun at all and we wouldnt be able to have these little discussions either- how boring.
I dont disrespect anyone's choices- its up to you who you vote for and what you believe is right.
Go to the polls on November 24 and vote for WHAT you believe!!:thumbsup: Who or whatever that is.

[Angelmist♥]

I was waiting for the IR laws to come up in here!

I, for one, think it's great that we can negotiate our own work conditions instead of having to deal with unions:smiliedance:.

[Roopee]

I was waiting for the IR laws to come up in here!

I, for one, think it's great that we can negotiate our own work conditions instead of having to deal with unions:smiliedance:.

Yep i agree.

[Mamaduke]

Hello everyone!!! How dare you start a thread like this without me, although I must admit I was watching 'Kath and Kim' while all this was taking place on 60 minutes...:shame: Mamaduke!!!


Me too, i mean come on people the only thing the Howard Government cares about is Money, making more, not spending any on anything worth while, rich getting richer so and so forth. If you cant see that then , well i have nothing else to say.

I don't think so. My husband works in a factory and we're a lot better off under a Liberal Government than my parents ever were under Labor. He is making more and more each year in a country where, at the moment anyway, hard work reaps rewards. That is hardly what I'd call 'the rich getting richer'.

[Mamaduke]

Whoah...way to kill a thread MD! :eek:

Have I scared everyone away?

[Roopee]

I think ya killed it!:laughing::laughing:

Maybe your last reply was so good-no one has a retort??:laughing::laughing:

[spoon]

you said kath and kim. I had to obey my instincts. political stuff is becoming a bit boring for me now. Can you believe it?

It was so much nicer when i wanted to fight you.

Now I eat chocolate.

[Baldie's Mum]

hey md i have never seen you kill a thread like that before!

i say yay for IR laws because it gives both me and my staff security! Its a great thing unless you are unfortunate and get crappy bosses who dont give 2 craps about you and your family!


(damn i have just got myself involved again....:banghead: :eek: :o :laughing: )

[forbetoel]

i say yay for IR laws because it gives both me and my staff security! Its a great thing unless you are unfortunate and get crappy bosses who dont give 2 craps about you and your family!


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That's just the thing, most of us opposed to IR laws know that some people are better off, but a hell of a lot are not, and it is the lower wage earners who are being hardest hit. I have not been directly affected, however my neighbor has been. He has a new job now, but was working for $7 less per hour after he was fired, then re-hired. There are some things more important to me, than what goes on in my own backyard......1 person being ripped off trying to earn a decent dollar, is 1 person too many IMO.

[Baldie's Mum]

That is an issue....i totally agree! Are there any job options around where you guys live for your neighbour?

That is the great thing about small businesses, they create jobs that are sometimes more secure than large companies only because you generally know your boss in a small business.

[forbetoel]

That is an issue....i totally agree! Are there any job options around where you guys live for your neighbour?

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He left the one that paid him $7 less an hour as soon as he found a new job. But no there are not good job options here, my neighbor was travelling about 30 minutes to his old job, but is now travelling just on 1 hour.

[Baldie's Mum]

that does suck.....but i do know that there are options...like moving, or taking a different job. getting qualified in a different area......:thumbsup:

[Mamaduke]

He left the one that paid him $7 less an hour as soon as he found a new job. But no there are not good job options here, my neighbor was travelling about 30 minutes to his old job, but is now travelling just on 1 hour.
DH travels 2 hours (round trip) every day...you've got to go where the work is - there'll be no difference between parties there.

[forbetoel]

DH travels 2 hours (round trip) every day...you've got to go where the work is - there'll be no difference between parties there.

I agree, I was just making the point that he had to change jobs because of the new IR laws saw him with a pay cut of $7 per hour. He doesn't mind travelling, he is just glad to once again being paid the going rate.

[forbetoel]

that does suck.....but i do know that there are options...like moving, or taking a different job. getting qualified in a different area......:thumbsup:

Yeah of course there are other options, but he shouldn't have been shafted in the first place, he had been working there for 12 years.

[Mamaduke]

Yeah of course there are other options, but he shouldn't have been shafted in the first place, he had been working there for 12 years.
I know what you mean about being shafted.
I had to find another job after the company I worked for cut my hours and the hours of other workers by 20%, and DH had to find another job after Holden told him, on the day after we took out our first mortgage, that his job was no longer there...
we were both with unions who when we asked them for help said that there was nothing that they could do.
This was all done, BTW, before the IR laws came in.
But I guess as is the case with unions, if there are no camera crews around the shop steward still has their hours/job then they couldn't give a toss!

[forbetoel]

I know what you mean about being shafted.
I had to find another job after the company I worked for cut my hours and the hours of other workers by 20%, and DH had to find another job after Holden told him, on the day after we took out our first mortgage, that his job was no longer there...
we were both with unions who when we asked them for help said that there was nothing that they could do.
This was all done, BTW, before the IR laws came in.
But I guess as is the case with unions, if there are no camera crews around the shop steward still has their hours/job then they couldn't give a toss!

Well that is no good. I have nothing but good to say about unions, and in all my experiences with them, they will usually do anything to save a job, unless the worker was fired for stealing, or aggression.

[Mamaduke]

Well that is no good. I have nothing but good to say about unions, and in all my experiences with them, they will usually do anything to save a job, unless the worker was fired for stealing, or aggression.
Well I can assure you DH and I are neither of the two mentioned examples!:eek:

[Ashleigh<3]

I am continuously hearing, "Did you know John Howard doesn't care about young people? Did you know by introducing work place regulations it's just him taking a slap at young people".

Some people are seriously weirded out.

I've looked at this election from plenty of different angles, I've taken a look at what both parties have to offer. While I can openly admit K.Rudd has his benefits, I have concluded JH, gets my vote.

I also think by developing such false advertising campaigns, especially the ones that are in favour of k.rudd. You will hear such ignorant statements such as.

"yeah, i dun kno who i'm voting for but becoz k.rudd is about the labour partay! He's obviously better then howard with his glasses".

(Now that makes me cringe!)

[Baldie's Mum]

i laughed last night when on the news they said that jh has bought the cut off date foward by a week so young people cant vote!!! what a crock!

he has done it because we want to keep voting a legal obligation! Unlike america!!!!:yes:

if you havent been able to enrol then geeze get organised! people have been informed that there was going to be an election this year!!! the news put it like people had only known about it since it was called!!!:laughing:

good ol news!!! Always with the scare tactics!!!:eek: :rolleyes:

[Odessa]

i laughed last night when on the news they said that jh has bought the cut off date foward by a week so young people cant vote!!! what a crock!

he has done it because we want to keep voting a legal obligation! Unlike america!!!!:yes:

if you havent been able to enrol then geeze get organised! people have been informed that there was going to be an election this year!!! the news put it like people had only known about it since it was called!!!:laughing:

good ol news!!! Always with the scare tactics!!!:eek: :rolleyes:


Just curious - how does closing the electoral roll earlier keep voting a legal obligation? It was a legal obligation already, that's why it's called compulsory voting. I cannot see any good reason to close the rolls earlier than they have traditionally closed - 70000 odd people enrolled in the week following the announcement of the last Federal election, most of them young first time voters.

Here's Howard's spectacular appearance on ACA last night, who'd have thought Tracey Grimshaw could show up the PM? She was so polite too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keUOs2o71is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keUOs2o71is)

You think he'd have brushed up on his interest rates before going on a nationally broadcasted interview, surely.

[forbetoel]

Just curious - how does closing the electoral roll earlier keep voting a legal obligation? It was a legal obligation already, that's why it's called compulsory voting. I cannot see any good reason to close the rolls earlier than they have traditionally closed - 70000 odd people enrolled in the week following the announcement of the last Federal election, most of them young first time voters.

Here's Howard's spectacular appearance on ACA last night, who'd have thought Tracey Grimshaw could show up the PM? She was so polite too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keUOs2o71is

You think he'd have brushed up on his interest rates before going on a nationally broadcasted interview, surely.

I was curious about the same thing.....What does the electoral roll have to do with it being a legal obligation :confused: He certainly did do it to lock young voters out, he knows that the majority of young people vote labor. I have said that Johnny is a liar, but I have never said he is stupid.
As for his slip up on ACA, that is just further truth that the man is out of touch with what people are concerned about, Odessa, I think that topic deserves it's own thread!

[SassyMummy]

Ooooh... what happened on ACA?

This is a very old cr*ppy computer, so I won't be able to watch it on here... but I'm curious!:D

[Baldie's Mum]

i dont know if i worded it properly but what i meant to say is...

i know that voting is compulasary but in the last few years numbers have been declining because people have been missing the cut off date purposly or not but they cant vote if they miss it.....what is happening is it is being advertised more now so the media have a hold of it and are saying its so howard can cut young ones out.....but really if he wanted that to happen he could have kept it hush hush! I think advertising it is making more people aware that enrollment is closing soon!

sorry i have flu head........:gloomy: feeling under the weather!!!! like that guy!!!

[forbetoel]

Ooooh... what happened on ACA?

This is a very old cr*ppy computer, so I won't be able to watch it on here... but I'm curious!:D

The moron didn't even know what the current interest rates were????? So he must really give a cr@p.

[forbetoel]

i dont know if i worded it properly but what i meant to say is...

i know that voting is compulasary but in the last few years numbers have been declining because people have been missing the cut off date purposly or not but they cant vote if they miss it.....what is happening is it is being advertised more now so the media have a hold of it and are saying its so howard can cut young ones out.....but really if he wanted that to happen he could have kept it hush hush! I think advertising it is making more people aware that enrollment is closing soon!

sorry i have flu head........:gloomy: feeling under the weather!!!! like that guy!!!

O.K kinda get what you are saying now. I still think it was a ploy to knock a few thousand young voters out though, and even if he wasn't trying to do that, he spent a small fortune of our tax dollars advertising the change that really didn't even need to be made.
Hope you are feeling better soon.

[Odessa]

i dont know if i worded it properly but what i meant to say is...

i know that voting is compulasary but in the last few years numbers have been declining because people have been missing the cut off date purposly or not but they cant vote if they miss it.....what is happening is it is being advertised more now so the media have a hold of it and are saying its so howard can cut young ones out.....but really if he wanted that to happen he could have kept it hush hush! I think advertising it is making more people aware that enrollment is closing soon!

sorry i have flu head........:gloomy: feeling under the weather!!!! like that guy!!!

If people had been missing the cut off date before why make the window to enrol even narrower than before? I believe the Government were legally obliged to put on an advertising blitz because of the changes they made, at a cost of millions of taxpayer dollars. I'm glad the media were all over it, the changes were unfair and unnecessary anyway.

[forbetoel]

If people had been missing the cut off date before why make the window to enrol even narrower than before? I believe the Government were legally obliged to put on an advertising blitz because of the changes they made, at a cost of millions of taxpayer dollars. I'm glad the media were all over it, the changes were unfair and unnecessary anyway.

At this time of night, I need you to make sense for me :thumbsup:

[Odessa]

Ooooh... what happened on ACA?

This is a very old cr*ppy computer, so I won't be able to watch it on here... but I'm curious!:D

Tracey Grimshaw put the screws to Mr Howard and Mr Rudd, and gave them each a pop quiz at the end of their interview, asking them for the average weekly wage and the current cash interest rate. They both avoided the first question, but only Howard answered the interest rate question wrong! He said 6.5% instead of 6.25%, which might seem like a minor slip up, but 0.25% difference to people with mortgages is a substantial amount of money. And he thinks he's still in touch with ordinary Aussies?

[rynosmum]

You think he'd have brushed up on his interest rates before going on a nationally broadcasted interview, surely.


As for his slip up on ACA, that is just further truth that the man is out of touch with what people are concerned about


The moron didn't even know what the current interest rates were????? So he must really give a cr@p.


And he thinks he's still in touch with ordinary Aussies?

Are we seriously bagging the man for getting an interest rate wrong? Then who was the Labor representative who sent out a press release today stating that Howard's slip up was a terrible oversight and would mean an extra $50 more per week on a mortgage (rather than the correct $50 per month)?

Was it Wayne Swan?

Do we now write off both parties for getting some figures wrong?:laughing:

Surely our vote will be determined by more substantial issues?

[Ashleigh<3]

Ordinary Aussies have mortgages?
If Ordinary is mediocre, that makes me pretty substandard or wait, yeah that makes me pretty inferior.

[Scout]

Are we seriously bagging the man for getting an interest rate wrong? Then who was the Labor representative who sent out a press release today stating that Howard's slip up was a terrible oversight and would mean an extra $50 more per week on a mortgage (rather than the correct $50 per month)?

Was it Wayne Swan?

Do we now write off both parties for getting some figures wrong?:laughing:

Surely our vote will be determined by more substantial issues?

:yelclap: Well said rynosmum!

I understand the point that is being made here but seriously both sides make their gaffes.....and it is only day 2!!!

And it was on ACA for gawd's sake - there's journalism at a new low.

[Odessa]

Ordinary Aussies have mortgages?
If Ordinary is mediocre, that makes me pretty substandard or wait, yeah that makes me pretty inferior.

Not sure where you're going with this...I don't have a mortgage either, if it's at all relevant?

As for interest rate gaffes - I do recall a lot of noise being made about Mr Rudd's slip up re: tax brackets not too long ago - was that criticism justified or not?

[forbetoel]

Surely our vote will be determined by more substantial issues?

Oh God yeah, this doesn't even make it onto my radar on reasons not to vote for him....there are at least 1000 much more important reasons not to vote for him. :)

[Mamaduke]

Oh God yeah, this doesn't even make it onto my radar on reasons not to vote for him....there are at least 1000 much more important reasons not to vote for him. :)
4boys2love...
do you ever sleep? :p
And I thought my arm was tired from flying the flag!;)

[forbetoel]

4boys2love...
do you ever sleep? :p
And I thought my arm was tired from flying the flag!;)

:laughing:

[Angelmist♥]

Well said Rynosmum!

I watched that last night and thought it was a load of baloney!

[Odessa]

Are we seriously bagging the man for getting an interest rate wrong? Then who was the Labor representative who sent out a press release today stating that Howard's slip up was a terrible oversight and would mean an extra $50 more per week on a mortgage (rather than the correct $50 per month)?

Was it Wayne Swan?

Do we now write off both parties for getting some figures wrong?:laughing:

Surely our vote will be determined by more substantial issues?

Did you deliberately misquote him, or unintentionally?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22593799-11949,00.html


Opposition treasury spokesman Wayne Swan said that on a mortgage of $300,000 the 0.25 percent difference between Mr Howard’s answer and the correct answer was equivalent to around $50 a month or about $600 a year.

"How can Mr Howard claim that `working families have never been better off' when he doesn’t even know what the official interest rate is?,'' he said.

"Since 2004 - when Mr Howard promised to keep interest rates at record lows - there have been five interest rate increases which have added $245 a month to a $300,000 mortgage.

"This is equivalent to around $3,000 a year or $60 a week extra being taken straight from families as they struggle to pay off their homes.

"Mr Howard has clearly lost touch with the impact of his broken interest rate promise on Australian working families."

[rynosmum]

Did you deliberately misquote him, or unintentionally?

[URL]

It was on the 6 o'clock news last night, the internal press release that Wayne Swan's office announced had the inaccuracy in it which was then corrected when it was released to the public.

You may be missing my point here - the point is why everyone is getting up in arms about anyone - Labor or Liberal making a slip-up? It's going to happen, they are people for goodness sake. So they make a fumble and the media goes nuts about it - it shouldn't affect our voting choice.

[tickle]

Absolutely agree RM. There are so many bigger issues that need to be addressed by the coalition. ;) :D :p

[Odessa]

Absolutely agree RM. There are so many bigger issues that need to be addressed by the coalition. ;) :D :p

:laughing:

[forbetoel]

Absolutely agree RM. There are so many bigger issues that need to be addressed by the coalition. ;) :D :p

There sure is:thumbsup:

[Phyllis Stein]

Absolutely agree RM. There are so many bigger issues that need to be addressed

I think this in an important point tickle & rynosmum. It's so easy to just get into an oppositional mindset, where every little tiny thing gets leapt on as 'proof' of a leaders or parties failings. You do that and you just set your own 'side' up for criticism, when they inevitably stuff up. It just sidetracks from the important debate. Unfortunately, when the media blows this stuff up, many people believe it's worthy of condemnation. I don't. Yes, it's ironic that Howard got the interest rate wrong, seeing as interest rates are his campaign focus, but that's about it IMO.