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Samantha83
13-10-2007, 11:24
My DH and I have been together since DSD was 1 and a half so she doesn't remember me not being part of her life - She is an exceptionally bright 5 year old now.

We used to have custody every second weekend but have since been through court and got granted custody every second week. Originally this wasn't really what we wanted to do as we always thought a little girl needs her mother, but her mother just wasn't looking after her. DSD has SMA type II which is a genetic neurological disease that leaves her in a wheel chair and her muscles will slowly get weaker and weaker along with various other associated problems like respiratory, spinal etc that go with muscle weakness. She needs very regular visits to various specialist including therapies, nutritionists, scoliosis clinics etc. It is recommended that she have a minimum of 2 hydro/physios per week (104/yr). The year before we got custody of her she had 13 and hadn’t seen any of her specialists. Needless to say her muscles, spine and general health deteriorated, so did her spirit.

Since gaining custody of her and getting her the right medical equipment and attention she has improved dramatically, her Spine has gone from a 66 degree angle to 26 degrees with her brace on and in our week with her she is having physio everyday and privately twice a week. Things were getting better. Now the poor little angle has another lot of hurdles to overcome - her mother’s emotional abuse, blackmail and brainwashing.

DH's ex had starting phoning our home up to 8 times a day with rude comments for myself or to tell DSD that she didn’t have to listen to anything I said; if she didn’t want to eat dinner she didn’t have to; and that she wasn’t part of this family and that DH had decided he didn’t want to be a part of her life, etc. All things that are not only untrue, but really making the transition from home to home quite difficult for her.

We approached DH’s ex with an idea about phone calls, saying that a more reasonable time to phone DSD was maybe twice a week at a certain time, hoping that when the phone rang at that time DSD could answer and it would stop the verbal abuse to myself and DH and that DSD could phone her at any time she asked as this is how it always was on our end.

DSD came back to us saying things like ‘Mum told me you told her she wasn’t allowed to ever call me’ and that mum said we were trying to take her away etc. She has also started telling DSD that we don’t love her since having another child and that we apparently tell her that we don’t want DSD around.

I can tell DSD that these things are not true and that she is loved – and we do all the time, but the truth of the matter is despite how nasty her mother is, she will always believe her because she is her mother. What can we do? It is causing me and DH a lot of heartache to have to see DSD go through the emotional rollercoaster. We have considered giving back some custody to the mother in hopes that it will stop but are worried about her health.

Isn’t a mothers natural instinct to protect a child from hurt and sadness? She seems to enjoy causing it – I’m really at wits end trying to figure out what she is trying to do or why.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how DH and I can deal with the situation? We really just want her to let DSD just be happy.

Lastcenturymum
13-10-2007, 11:31
Aw you poor things - you are trying to do the right thing and she is just making it worse for everyone. If she really loved and cared for her daughter she would be grateful.

She is a very bitter and twisted person - maybe she is blaming herself for her DD's situation? It drives me nuts when people are so immature and self focussed that they use their own child as a pawn and try to manipulate them.

She needs help to sort herself out - sorry I don't have any experience/suggestions to offer, unfortunately you can't just stop her seeing her.

Shame she can't see the damage she is doing to her own child.

Hope you find some solution or she gets the help she needs. :hugs:

SilverStarfish
13-10-2007, 11:32
Ouch!! What a nasty things your DSD's bio mother is doing :eek:

I have utterly no experience or advice for you, but I just wanted to say what a wonderful and caring people you and your DH are - it really does shine through you post just how much you love your DSD and how much she means to you.

I hope you can sort something out soon :fingerscrossed: though sadly I suspect there will be no easy answers.

Gumby
13-10-2007, 11:42
My girls father does the same thing to them except we have them 99% of the time.
It is an aweful thing and I hope they grow up to know that we did our best.
Your very special woman for putting up with this **** from the mother.

samken
13-10-2007, 13:26
I'm sorry to read your story. The only thing I can recommend, coming from a large family who has a couple of black sheep, is to always be honest with your DSD, even if it sounds cruel. What I mean is that she is being told lies by one person she needs to know she can trust something and if you are always honest, no matter how much she may or may not understand, she can at least, in the long run, come to understand and appreciate your efforts. Kids can be pretty intuative and she may just need to know that someone will always stand by her and she is safe with you. Just in case you didn't get my drift you need to tell her when her mum is lying and that you love her and her brother loves her and that will never change. Be consistent.

You can get a restraining order (through the police) on the phone calls, this only works if she is threatening, or you may need to talk to your lawyer about have the courts restrict the contact (I had a friend who tried that and it turned into a mess).

DustyPeach
13-10-2007, 13:34
I am almost to the end of the "Focus on the Kids" programme in the PPP programme run by Relationships Australia. This is a free programme regardless of income or % of time with the children. I have included it for my proposal to my ex for visitation with the children schedule.

The course is great and focuses on our situations. I highly recommend it for everyone in two home situations.

My DD is quite cluey also. All be it she is not 4 till february she knows what she wants and ho really loves her. Focusing all the attention on the child and downplaying what the other parent is doing works well. I never say what my DDs father does is ok. I make it clear to her that it is his choice to be like that but we arnt because we love and are kind to each other. Amasing how they can move through these things.

Diarise Diarise Diarise. Focus on the kids :) Your welcome to pm me if you want to discuss more about the course.

Samantha83
15-10-2007, 11:43
Samken - We do try to tell her that her Mum might have misunderstood but i really don't want to start saying that her Mum is fibbing to her - I feel that she will just go to her mothers house and say we said she was fibbing and the mother will just say she wasn't and that we are etc and it sort of puts her a piggy in the middle and i don't want to put her in that situation.

Her mother called yesterday and told her that she was going to seaworld and then the park for lunch with DSD friends making DSD really upset because she wanted to go aswell. We called her bluff and told her mother if that was the case we would drop her off and pick her up after lunch but she backed down -to us- but then told DSD that we wouldn't let her go because we didn't love her or want her to be happy.

It is really just getting too much for DSD and myself to deal with.

DustyPeach: I'll have a look into ther programme but i really doubt that she will agree to go, she really just doesn't see what she does as damaging.

Thanks everyone else for your support

FunkyMonkey
15-10-2007, 11:51
Reading that has made me feel sick. What kind of mother treats her own child in that manner?
You are an incredible woman for dealing with her sh!te. I would have changed my phone number by now. Or at least put a caller ID on my phone.

That sort of thing makes my blood boil.

Samantha83
15-10-2007, 13:02
I have changed my mobile number twice and so far have managed to keep my newest one private, unfortunaley when we drew up the custody agreement one of the points said that:

“That each party be at liberty to telephone the child at all reasonable times that the child is in the other parent’s care and that the child be at liberty to telephone both parents at all reasonable times”
This meant that we had to have a home phone line connected in order for to faciliate the calls. Unfortunately we didn't think it through enough and according to to DSD mum 6-8 times a day is reasonable and we can't stop her from saying whatever she wants to myself or DSD. We have also got caller ID now but on the rare occasion we don't pick up she calls and calls and calls and if we put the machine on it fills with about 10minutes of verbally abusive insults and shocking language. Legally we have been told we can't really even apply to get the orders changed for at least another year and the likelthood of anything being sorted out outside of court are unfortunately highly unlikely. :thumbsdown:

MissSookyLaLa
20-10-2007, 08:44
so sorry to hear what you are going through, you are wonderful for being so strong...

surely it cant go on forever though right? your dsd will only get wiser as she gets older and when she understands more what is going on it should improve things???

Mum&bubs
21-10-2007, 06:48
What a nasty woman :thumbsdown:

Does she even realise what she is doing to her own child? Telling her OWN child that her father doesn't love her? Wtf is that? That's such a horrible thing to say!

I don't think you should let her have more custody by the sounds of it she is better off with you guys, her health has improved and surely the woman will get over it soon enough.