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I've noticed that some people have hesitations about soy milk. My DS is on soy milk on the advice of a doctor and paed as he has a cow's milk protein intollerance. What are the concerns people hav with soy milk? I know they can make bubs constipated but I deal with that by giving him very watered down prune juice (80/20) and water on alternate days. Works well, he doesn't strain like he used to.
Mamalicious
09-10-2007, 09:31
I don't know about that, it does say on the side of the s26 soy tin that it's not for general use like the cows milk one, it must be specifically for kids who have allergies...I don't know, but I'm interested in what other people have to say about it.
mollymoosmum
09-10-2007, 09:44
Hey, My bub is on Soy formula (same prob) and its is great for her, I have heard somone say it makes bubs fat, but I didn't believe it, maybe it is true?? :confused:
My dd has no probs on it, I will be watching to see what other people post, sorry I wasn't any help!..........Now I'm interested!:detective:
Mamalicious
09-10-2007, 09:50
I didn't know about it making babies fat?! DS has always been small for his age, babies with eczema usually are though, that's what I read anyway...I haven't noticed him putting on more weight than usual though..:detective:
PunkyDiva
09-10-2007, 09:50
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03summary.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/infant.html
http://www.mercola.com/2006/mar/30/finally_infant_soy_formula_under_investigation.htm
http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-438.html
Hi there...:wave:
I've had this chat with my paediatrician when we thought ds may be having a reaction to milk protein. Most paeds recommend a hydrolyzed formula which is basically all of the milk proteins broken down and tolerated by bubs or the 'HA' for mild intolerances.
If a baby at risk of allergies (based on family history) is not breastfed, it is believed that a HA (hypo-allergenic) cows' milk / hydrolyzed formula is best...
However mummies if your bubs is happy and thriving and doing all of the right things don't concern your self with it... If your doc/paediatrician has recommended it then that is all of the assurance I'd need...
All the best x x
I just visited those sights and i have to say this concerns me... I'd speak to your paediatrician and ask what they think...
PunkyDiva
09-10-2007, 10:38
I just visited those sights and i have to say this concerns me... I'd speak to your paediatrician and ask what they think...
Glad to see you posted this after your original post as way too many paople take medical professionals opinion and advice as fact which can be far from true. Especially with Paeds and GP's who are not specific specialists but know a little about a lot and more for diagnosis then adequate treatment IMO. Far better to do some research and ask questions yourselves and at least your decision and actions are then informed ones.
mollymoosmum
09-10-2007, 10:39
I just visited those sights and i have to say this concerns me... I'd speak to your paediatrician and ask what they think...
Yeah same here.... my dd has been on soy for 3mths now and it was recommended by the paed at the hospital, I was never told about any possible side effects though.....:(
Not sure what I should do now because they didn't want to test her again till she's one, but I don't know if I can happily give it to her for another 6months.:confused:
I'm off to do some more reading and research ...........
PunkyDiva
09-10-2007, 10:49
http://www.dgc.co.nz/page.cfm?id=26
This site is about goat milk formula in nz, so not sure if available here.
Interestingly a friends teenage son was recently told to change to goats milk after years of allergies, infections etc and the change in his health was amazing so may be worth furthur research.
If your bub suffers milk allergies then seeing a recognised qualified naturapath now can save a lot of ill health later down the track.
http://gcfree.com.au/products.html#p1
Not sure if this is suitable for bubs or a better alternative but is available here in Aust.
Mamalicious
09-10-2007, 12:57
I was told that the goats milk still has the proteins that the cows milk has, so to not bother with it?
Hi there,
My DS has a cows milk allergy/intollerance, he suffered severe reflux and pretty bad eczema. I was advised to switch to soy or goats formula. Although the most expensive I chose the goats which is apparently closest to breast milk and his reflux and eczema is almost gone after only two weeks. Im really happy with the goats even though its really expensive.
Glad to see you posted this after your original post as way too many paople take medical professionals opinion and advice as fact which can be far from true. Especially with Paeds and GP's who are not specific specialists but know a little about a lot and more for diagnosis then adequate treatment IMO. Far better to do some research and ask questions yourselves and at least your decision and actions are then informed ones.Firstly Punky well said...
I was going to ring my ds paediatrician tomorrow to give him ds weight as he is on zantac for reflux and the dose changes as his weight does. I decided to ring this afternoon after this thread and what i have read myself...
I briefly spoke to him about the concern with soy and my concern with giving ds products containing soy as he is starting solids and referred him to the information that i have read... His advice was in normal small quantities such as traces in foods etc is not a concern where studies have shown.
When formula is the choice, cow's milk based should be used. 'HA' products are used when there is a history of allergies in the family but not yet present in bubs or a slight intolerance has been detected.
When there is a milk protein intolerance that does not resolve with a 'HA' product, a complete hydrolyzed or a Amino acid-based infant formula is prescribed.
Soy should not be the alternative when treating an allergy as soy is an allergen itself...
Hope this helps... I wrote it down as he told me.
He's one of the good guy's!!!
Go and see your peadiatrician if you are worried and definately read the material on Soy...
forbetoel
09-10-2007, 21:39
My 20 month old son has been on soy mild since he was 10 months old :hair: his bowel cannot tollerate cows milk at all, what alternative do I have for him??? I don't want to give him soy anymore.
I was told that the goats milk still has the proteins that the cows milk has, so to not bother with it?
Goats milk does have the protein but not as much and some babies take to this well when soy and cows milk are not tolerated...
My 20 month old son has been on soy mild since he was 10 months old :hair: his bowel cannot tollerate cows milk at all, what alternative do I have for him??? I don't want to give him soy anymore.
Try a HA product ??!! I'm pretty sure they do a toddler milk the milk protein is broken down and is generally tolerated well. If not try Goats milk (it's very pure) The protein is in there but not as much as the cows milk...
xx:wave:
forbetoel
09-10-2007, 21:49
Try a HA product ??!! I'm pretty sure they do a toddler milk the milk protein is broken down and is generally tolerated well. If not try Goats milk (it's very pure) The protein is in there but not as much as the cows milk...
xx:wave:
At the risk of sounding dumb.......what is HA???? And where do I get it, he is off soy as of tomorrow:yes:
At the risk of sounding dumb.......what is HA???? And where do I get it, he is off soy as of tomorrow:yes:
HA is hypo allergenic formula... They are sold at the supermarkets.. Karicare do a good one, my friends bubs is on it and soooooo much better for it. Nan do one and i think Heinz as well....
He maybe a little fussy with the change he may not... You said that at 10 months he started having problems what was the diagnosis if you don't mind me asking?
forbetoel
09-10-2007, 22:04
HA is hypo allergenic formula... They are sold at the supermarkets.. Karicare do a good one, my friends bubs is on it and soooooo much better for it. Nan do one and i think Heinz as well....
He maybe a little fussy with the change he may not... You said that at 10 months he started having problems what was the diagnosis if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks for the help, you are a real sweety:)
He was diagnosed as lactose intollerant. He had very watery stools, and was struggling with weight gain....as soon as we switched to soy, the watery stools stopped. Babies grow out of lactose intollerance, so I have twice since tried him on cows milk again, but straight away he gets watery stools again.
Thanks for the help, you are a real sweety:)
He was diagnosed as lactose intollerant. He had very watery stools, and was struggling with weight gain....as soon as we switched to soy, the watery stools stopped. Babies grow out of lactose intollerance, so I have twice since tried him on cows milk again, but straight away he gets watery stools again.
Lactose free products would definately be the go... I'm sure they do a follow on lactose free formula or a toddler milk... I'll do some checking and get back to you... I don't know if HA will be suitable...:rolleyes:
forbetoel
09-10-2007, 22:24
Lactose free products would definately be the go... I'm sure they do a follow on lactose free formula or a toddler milk... I'll do some checking and get back to you... I don't know if HA will be suitable...:rolleyes:
Awesome, thankyou so much, just PM me if you get the chance...I really appreciate it, thankyou!!!!
Mrs Little
09-10-2007, 22:30
I agree with sjhar..
Soy is not recommended and it's a shame that so many GP's and Paed.s get away with it. Goes to show how we as parents shouldn't always trust what one dr. says. Rather we should be researching before making decisions.
I've been told goats milk formula is no good either. Yes it is expensive. But goats milk is a totally different composition than human milk...after all...it is meant for goats. Human milk and is meant for humans and goats for goats. (Not my words but a dr. i saw for DS1).
In saying all of that...
Karicare make a formula for lactose intolerance. It's called 'delact' and it comes in a pink can. HA wont necessarily work if he has offically been diagnosed with LI.
AND...if your bubs has allergies or intolerances-then changing to soy or goats milk will not necessarily be the best change.
You should be using a 'HA' formula which is used for milk intolerances. NAN HA1Gold is the best out of all of them as it also contains probiotics. Recommended to me by my current paed.
If bubs still reacts to this formula then you should be seeking medical advice (from a good paed.) who will put you onto script formulas. These are for those bubs that are cows milk intolerant/allergies or have other intolerances or HA formula didn't work.
Hope this helps.
Sorry to all those mums out there who have or are using 'soy'. You made the best decision you could at the time. A little bit of soy or goats formula wont hurt bubs, but maybe make the change to something a little less harmful sooner rather than latter.
Mrs Little & Sons.
forbetoel
09-10-2007, 22:40
Thanks Mrs Little, my little man is off soy from tomorrow...just hope I find an appropriate replacement.
Mrs Little
09-10-2007, 22:43
Most good chemists have the karicare delact. Like i said..it's in a pink can.
Glad to be of help.
Mrs Little & Sons.
Lactose free products would definately be the go... I'm sure they do a follow on lactose free formula or a toddler milk... I'll do some checking and get back to you... I don't know if HA will be suitable...:rolleyes:
Lactose free formulas are obviously available but I'm not sure if they will be o.k for 20 month old. He can have normal milk now and i've found one that should be on your supermarket shelve it's called 'Zymil' Lactose free just like normal milk but obviously no lactose... Liddells do a lactose free milk which is long life which is perfectly fine Not many others that i can find, however i'll give you the links and hopefully you can find the stockist...
Message me... I'd love to know how you go!!
Cheers x x:smiliedance:
http://www.lactose.com.au/products/zymil+lactose+free+milk/
Click on the link to zymil and there is a number you can call to find stockists...
http://www.liddells.com.au/products.htm
Liddells stock in all of the popular supermarkets
I feel bad for the mum's that are freaking out right now... I feel for you...
It all boils down to you doing what is best for you and bub... And it's your decision...
Take care x x:hugs:
I'll be sticking with soy formula. DS had terrible diarrhea on cow's milk formula which also contained some blood (sorry if TMI) because it was damaging his insides. He was diagnosed with a cow's milk protein intollerance which was also confirmed by another doctor. I'm happy enough that 2 docs, one paed and the CHN don't have any issues with him being on soy. Interested in reading about it though. :)
I'll be sticking with soy formula. DS had terrible diarrhea on cow's milk formula which also contained some blood (sorry if TMI) because it was damaging his insides. He was diagnosed with a cow's milk protein intollerance which was also confirmed by another doctor. I'm happy enough that 2 docs, one paed and the CHN don't have any issues with him being on soy. Interested in reading about it though. :)
That's completely understandable...
Next time you go to your pead or doctor though it would be interesting what they have to say about the issue... If you do... I'd love to know...
Take Care, all the best... x x:)
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