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Krudd eyes $5M holiday house (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22547326-661,00.html)
He and his wife want to buy the holiday house that they rent for $10K a week.
:rolleyes: :no:
Don't kid yourself that there is a difference between the Right and Left these days!
Fuchsia!
08-10-2007, 11:15
sorry i don't usually post in these political threads but isn't his wife loaded?
I think if he & his wife has the cash then why not? :)
Mamaduke
08-10-2007, 11:23
It's a sad sad day in the Labor Party when the unions accuse the leader of having little in common with battlers.
But this will chalked up to being yet another Liberal smear campaign by the party faithful here I suppose. :sleeping:
poshBecks
08-10-2007, 11:25
I would never assume that a politician was in touch with low income earners :no: Especially the leader of the opposition.......
They might think they are, but they have no clue.
ETA: Just want to clarify what I mean.... I just mean any politician, from which ever party on that level earns too much money.
An election is just a matter of choosing the party you hate the least isn't it?
They're all still pollies, they all get the lurks and perks that we pay for.
I would never choose an allegiance to a party and stick up for them the way some of you do. I don't understand that at all. Its almost like worship or something.
ick.
Fuchsia!
08-10-2007, 11:28
I would never assume that a politician was in touch with low income earners :no: Especially the leader of the opposition.......
They might think they are, but they have no clue.
yeah i didn't think any politictian was on a low income so how could they understand anyway, whether the have $10mill in there account or $500,000?
chefalicious
08-10-2007, 11:28
personally if they have the money to buy a house like that then good on them.
Xistenze
08-10-2007, 11:29
ofcourse they are not, but if that is the reason people are swayed from voting for the labor party that would be a disappointment, im a labor supporter but i wouldn't not vote liberal because the leader bought an expensive house
Fuchsia!
08-10-2007, 11:29
An election is just a matter of choosing the party you hate the least isn't it?
They're all still pollies, they all get the lurks and perks that we pay for.
I would never choose an allegiance to a party and stick up for them the way some of you do. I don't understand that at all. Its almost like worship or something.
ick.
:laughing::laughing: yeah all i know about politics is that they blow alot of ****!!! And we get to chose who wants to blow the most!!!:laughing:
missie_mack
08-10-2007, 11:34
I wonder where they are meant to holiday or buy a house to be considered "in touch" with the working people :confused:
:idea: All politicians should holiday in a caravan park on the central coast of NSW and own houses that were originally owned by department of housing :p
Really I think we have always known that politicians in general are much wealthier than the average Joe Blow no matter what side of politics they come from.
Really Dean Mighell should be able to rise above these type of tactics. I mean where does he holiday??
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 11:35
Hell if I earned enough to have a house that much - I would too. Why should they have to do otherwise? Politicians are like celebrities when it comes to their income - d@mned if they do d@mned if they don't.
I would never choose an allegiance to a party and stick up for them the way some of you do. I don't understand that at all. Its almost like worship or something.
ick.
Mmmm, I see your point bbuuuuut....I watched my parents get destroyed under the Labor government and the recession we had to have.
Plus, the Labor leaders, their policies and their potential cabinets they have had have hardly been inspiring choices in my voting life.
Ana Gram
08-10-2007, 11:37
I think it should be mandatory for all pollies to try to live for at least 3 months on a Centrelink pension.
MoonstoneMumma
08-10-2007, 11:39
Heaven forbid if a family should buy a holiday house that their MOTHER worked damn hard for. This isn't his money or the government's - it's his wife's money.
Good on Rudd for being there and supporting his wife through her career.
missie_mack
08-10-2007, 11:39
Pension?? That is far to kind (And Im sure that was a story line on Yes Minister now I think of it??)
Try an unemployment benefit and having to complete work for the dole :laughing:
Tam-I-Am
08-10-2007, 11:50
I'm sorry guys, but empathy doesn't go hand in hand with having lived through something.
I counsel people in my professional work, who are in situations I have NEVER (and probably will never) be in. No, I don't understand - I would never pretend to. But that doesn't mean I can't have empathy and compassion, and a want to help them improve on their own situations.
If you had to understand something and have lived through it to be able to help, psychologists and counsellors and social workers, and nurses and doctors and any of 1000s of other professions wouldn't exist.
I don't honestly see what Mr. Rudd being wealthy enough to buy a holiday house has to do with his ability to lead the country.
ShadyCharacter
08-10-2007, 11:56
What Tam and Shed said :)
If he is buying a house with his own personal funds (i.e not tax payer funded), then who are we to complain, more luck to him!
Like Tam said, I know there are people less well off than me, and just because I haven't lived in their situation, it does not mean I don't have empathy for them.
And as far as making pollies live off a pension, why should they? Yep, I agree that they get paid too much and probably have no concept how hard it is to be on struggle street, but I would also bet my bottom dollar that most, if not all pollies have completed university degrees and worked hard to get where they are.
Sure, they are overpaid, but they have picked a career and worked to get where they are.... I would rather choose to get into politics (assuming I wanted a fat pay packet) and work for it then to sit back and complain that my Government pension is not enough.
I'm sorry guys, but empathy doesn't go hand in hand with having lived through something.
I counsel people in my professional work, who are in situations I have NEVER (and probably will never) be in. No, I don't understand - I would never pretend to. But that doesn't mean I can't have empathy and compassion, and a want to help them improve on their own situations.
If you had to understand something and have lived through it to be able to help, psychologists and counsellors and social workers, and nurses and doctors and any of 1000s of other professions wouldn't exist.
I don't honestly see what Mr. Rudd being wealthy enough to buy a holiday house has to do with his ability to lead the country.
Well said!
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 11:58
In reference to how much he is earning -and what he spends it on - I have to say I would be more worried if he earnt his large pay packet and had a crappy house and a whole lotta debt.
Think I would be much more comfortable with a PM who is good with his money.....
MoonstoneMumma
08-10-2007, 12:01
My DH often complains about pollies and how they get paid so much. So i turn to him and tell him that it is because of these 'pollies' that we have welfare, that our kids can go to school and get a good education, that we dont have to pay front to go to the hospital or dr's, and more importantly, that we have the right to talk like we do now without the fear of being carted off to prison or being murdered.
So yes these guys get paid a lot, but don't you think that it is worth it?
SassyMummy
08-10-2007, 12:10
I don't have a problem with him earning money and buying a nice house... who's to say he wasn't ONCE struggling? I'd hate for people to think I don't understand what it's like to be poor if I'm wealthier in the future... because at one stage (now...lol), I WAS struggling.
Still, even if he isn't struggling, I don't think that means he can't help my situation... and the alternative is JH - I wouldn't expect he's poor either.
I agree with just about everything said - my beef is that the ALP have traditionally positioned themselves as the party that are there for the workers, aligned with the Unions etc. As I said in my original post, there is no difference between Right and Left these days - only Right and slightly Right.
ShadyCharacter
08-10-2007, 12:17
And what does him and his wife buying a big expensive house with their own personal funds prove?? That they cannot possibly understand or empathise what it is like to struggle?? :confused:
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 12:20
So because they are there for the workers they aren't allowed to benefit from the $$ they earn working?
Just because they support a person's cause doesn't mean they have to live like them. That's like saying you do work for the poor - so have to live on the street yourself. Maybe we should let the Angelina Jolie's of the world know this - pretty sure they don't live in 3rd world conditions...
Ashleigh<3
08-10-2007, 12:22
There is no direct relevance, but I think it has a lot to do with empathy.
Can Krudd empathize with the millions of Australian's who are suffering?
Surely that 350k+ he alone, earns a year, really, TRULY, really helps him understand what most of our population are going through.
I am very tempted to become a politician, work for three weeks, then sit back and relax for the rest of my life knowing that because I served time as a politician- I am now supported financially for as long as I live. :thumbsup:
Too bad I have substance.
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 12:25
See that annoys me. My FIL was a polly for the Nationals for over 20 yrs, slogged his guts out and now he is retired is no way rolling in money like many people would like you to believe. Yes he has a pension - but so do returned servicemen, retired policemen etc. And I think they earn it. No one seems to credit politicians for the hard work needed to get to those pay brackets in the first place.
ShadyCharacter
08-10-2007, 12:29
There is no direct relevance, but I think it has a lot to do with empathy.
Can Krudd empathize with the millions of Australian's who are suffering?
Surely that 350k+ he alone, earns a year, really, TRULY, really helps him understand what most of our population are going through.
I am very tempted to become a politician, work for three weeks, then sit back and relax for the rest of my life knowing that because I served time as a politician- I am now supported financially for as long as I live. :thumbsup:
Too bad I have substance.
So what would you have him do? Live in a crappy house just so he can live like the people he wants to represent?
Seriously, what do you think he should be doing?
And as far as substance, while I am not a big pollie fan myself, some of them go into politics because it is a field they are actually interested in :idea:
Mamaduke
08-10-2007, 12:34
Well if Peter Garrett's huuuuuuge backflip re/the pulp mill hasn't phased the Labor supporters here then I suppose a multi million holiday home for the leader of 'the battlers party' wouldn't raise an eyebrow either.
What was I told the the other day?
Love is blind?
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 12:38
Who says I am voting Labour? I have never once voiced any preference to any party. I just don't see how the house of a politician (even a mansion like that one - which is probably also financed in part by his wife) affects a person's ability as a politician. This goes for Kevin Rudd John Howard, or any other politician in the running for the spot in the future.
ETA - that came accross a little short. I am not having a go by the way,sorry if it sounds that way. Not enough political emoticons :laughing:
SassyMummy
08-10-2007, 12:39
I would be much less likely to vote for someone living in squalor... after all, how can I trust someone who can't even figure out their own finances to run our country?
I think it's ridiculous to expect that he'd be any other than a wealthy man - it would be ridiculous to have someone on Centrelink benefits and living in a 3 bedroom flat to be running our country... his job comes with good pay, and his wife is quite wealthy... ANYONE with the same job would be earning just as much... so I don't really see why it's a big deal?
Well if Peter Garrett's huuuuuuge backflip re/the pulp mill hasn't phased the Labor supporters here then I suppose a multi million holiday home for the leader of 'the battlers party' wouldn't raise an eyebrow either.
What was I told the the other day?
Love is blind?
uh...no...but you know what...if John Howard holiday'd in a caravan park he still wouldn't get my vote...what they do with their hard earned money (even jh..I don't like the man but I do believe he works hard) in their own time doesn't reflect on the way they run the country imo.
ETA - I don't love any politician so I'm not blind.
Mamaduke
08-10-2007, 12:41
Well if Peter Garrett's huuuuuuge backflip re/the pulp mill hasn't phased the Labor supporters here then I suppose a multi million holiday home for the leader of 'the battlers party' wouldn't raise an eyebrow either.
What was I told the the other day?
Love is blind?
Who says I am voting Labour?
I didn't...and yes, it was a bit short and I'm hurt. Think I'll go cry myself a river you big meanie! :p
Tam-I-Am
08-10-2007, 12:43
Who says I am voting Labour? I have never once voiced any preference to any party. I just don't see how the house of a politician (even a mansion like that one - which is probably also financed in part by his wife) affects a person's ability as a politician. This goes for Kevin Rudd John Howard, or any other politician in the running for the spot in the future.
Exactly my thoughts on the issue - I'm not saying I'm a card carrying member of the "I love Kevin Rudd" club - but I don't understand how this impacts his ability to lead the country...
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 12:44
Aww sorry!!! I weally do wubb you Mamaduke! :hugs: :laughing:
Grizabella
08-10-2007, 12:45
Wow - you put it so much more eloquently then me Tam!!
Ashleigh<3
08-10-2007, 12:47
See that annoys me. My FIL was a polly for the Nationals for over 20 yrs, slogged his guts out and now he is retired is no way rolling in money like many people would like you to believe. Yes he has a pension - but so do returned servicemen, retired policemen etc. And I think they earn it. No one seems to credit politicians for the hard work needed to get to those pay brackets in the first place.
Good on your FIL.:) He worked hard purely for a reward greater then money?
Sorry if I made my post seem a little harsh or unfavorable.
I have friends who's relatives are pollies and they are multi milionares- Just goes to show that they are not all in the same financial situation.
So what would you have him do? Live in a crappy house just so he can live like the people he wants to represent?
Seriously, what do you think he should be doing?
And as far as substance, while I am not a big pollie fan myself, some of them go into politics because it is a field they are actually interested in :idea:If you read over my post, you'll see that I used 'three weeks'. If I was going to become a politician, I'd devote my time to it, not my three weeks, (which believe it or not, hundreds of people do, they sit in office for three weeks and they do receive a huge pay out just for that measly time).
Politicians who are receiving excessive incomes-
There individual work should be assessed before they start forking in cash.
:idea: Half of our taxes are going towards politicians incomes- if I'm going to vote for someone, I want to make sure the taxes I pay are deserved to noble politicians.
Mamaduke
08-10-2007, 12:48
Aww sorry!!! I weally do wubb you Mamaduke! :hugs: :laughing:
You all forget that just because I'm a Liberal voter/supporter doesn't mean I don't bleed when you cut me - I thought the left was supposed to be nice and cuddly and tree hugging and bleeding hearted?
Anyway...back to Peter Garrett and that pulp mill...:p
*sound of crickets*
~Emmylou~
08-10-2007, 12:54
I would never assume a federal politician to be in touch with "battlers" irrespective of his or her party affiliation.
Federal politics brings in big bikkies these days - if someone is at that level they're certainly not going to be on the poverty line are they?
Which person who has worked up the ranks is living on the poverty line?
I dont think it is a crime that people buy homes or holiday homes with hard earned money. And yes I do believe it is hard earned money that his wife also made.
We do not live in a communist country. If we did, this thread would be astonishing.
ShadyCharacter
08-10-2007, 13:12
II think it's ridiculous to expect that he'd be any other than a wealthy man - it would be ridiculous to have someone on Centrelink benefits and living in a 3 bedroom flat to be running our country... his job comes with good pay, and his wife is quite wealthy... ANYONE with the same job would be earning just as much... so I don't really see why it's a big deal?
That's my point.... I don't like J-Ho either, but I wouldn't begrudge him using his own personal funds to buy a big fancy house either :no:
Different story if it was a tax payer funded holiday home :rolleyes:
christen
08-10-2007, 14:43
I dont see what the big deal is. More than likely its his wifes money from selling off her business (which i didnt really understand either mind you...but we're not talkng about that.)
Once apon a time i am sure all pollies had to get through a rough patch to get to where they are, as did most people who earn a lot of money. most had normal jobs before entering politics and they wern't born owning a home, or with a healthy bank account they had to work for it.
I dont see why the public get to pick at this situation, as said in an earlier post it would be different if were a tax payer funded home...but its not.
our little treasures
08-10-2007, 14:54
personally if they have the money to buy a house like that then good on them.
SERIOUSLY your all just jelous! Find me a heading with a real storyline. It is his/ her money if I had money I would buy it!
subaruforestermum
08-10-2007, 15:02
Krudd eyes $5M holiday house (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22547326-661,00.html)
He and his wife want to buy the holiday house that they rent for $10K a week.
:rolleyes: :no:
Don't kid yourself that there is a difference between the Right and Left these days!
I also dont see how them buying a house for $5M counts towards them being in touch with low income earners...
K Rudd was a wealthy man before he bagen politics due to his Wife owning a multi million dollar company, from what I believe she started up and worked hard to get there!
So if they have worked hard for their money, why shouldnt they! Saving them money over renting it....dont they deserve a house to live in and own too....Wouldnt we all own our own houses if we had the financial security to do so!
I think there are some policitians who are in touch with battlers, as they have battled for survival once before...
I hate politics but this was a bit too hard for me not to comment on....:cool:
Ana Gram
08-10-2007, 16:20
And as far as making pollies live off a pension, why should they? Yep, I agree that they get paid too much and probably have no concept how hard it is to be on struggle street, but I would also bet my bottom dollar that most, if not all pollies have completed university degrees and worked hard to get where they are.
Sure, they are overpaid, but they have picked a career and worked to get where they are.... I would rather choose to get into politics (assuming I wanted a fat pay packet) and work for it then to sit back and complain that my Government pension is not enough.
I didn't really think that I would need to explain this idea and I am certainly not "sitting back and complaining that my Government pension is not enough" :rolleyes: .
It's really pretty simple. It has probably been a rather long time since any of the pollies we are talking about have lived week to week on little money. Time can cause one to remember such times a little differently than the reality. My parents are a fine example, 30 years ago they lived week to week and often didn't have enough money to feed us anything else but tinned spaghetti for weeks, however they still question my spending and saving habits until I put it all into detail. I think my parents would have a tough time living for a few months on my budget, as would these pollies.
chefalicious
08-10-2007, 16:29
SERIOUSLY your all just jelous! Find me a heading with a real storyline. It is his/ her money if I had money I would buy it!
ummm your quoting me with a reply like that?????
like hello my reply is basically saying what your saying....isnt it? well i thought so...... so maybe in layman terms i should just write
who really gives a toss?
forbetoel
08-10-2007, 16:33
Who cares if he is loaded? He could have joined the Liberal party if his beliefs were right wing, but he obviously has his beliefs to the left. Do people think that you have to be poor to be left wing???? How odd??? So if your rich, you are to the "right" Seriously this is just stupid!!!
Wow, times have changed - many years ago, Paul Keating was villified for wearing Italian suits! :laughing:
Angelmist♥
08-10-2007, 22:07
Wow, times have changed - many years ago, Paul Keating was villified for wearing Italian suits! :laughing:
:yes: :laughing: Amazing isn't it!
Keating was flash as a rat with a gold tooth. I think he was a bit of a metro before it became trendy!
If we're going to talk about living high on the hog, what about the $200,000 set of executive chairs for the cabinet room Howard ordered earlier this year? And only when he was outed was it revealed that he planned to spend $500,000-plus on the renovation of the private dining room in his Parliament House offices - all taxpayer coin mind you. He had to pull the pin on that pretty quickly.
What Mr Rudd and Ms Rein do with their own private wealth is their own private business. They've both worked hard to achieve success in life - tall poppy syndrome anyone? I'm more concerned when Howard splurges our tax dollars on decorating and furniture, myself.
forbetoel
15-10-2007, 18:31
What Mr Rudd and Ms Rein do with their own private wealth is their own private business. They've both worked hard to achieve success in life - tall poppy syndrome anyone? I'm more concerned when Howard splurges our tax dollars on decorating and furniture, myself.
So, so true. :yes: :thumbsup:
I'm pretty certain that Labor will get in, so it will be interesting to see if there's any of the same comments on here whenever Rudd buys things for government house or whatever once leader
Keating was flash as a rat with a gold tooth. I think he was a bit of a metro before it became trendy!
If we're going to talk about living high on the hog, what about the $200,000 set of executive chairs for the cabinet room Howard ordered earlier this year? And only when he was outed was it revealed that he planned to spend $500,000-plus on the renovation of the private dining room in his Parliament House offices - all taxpayer coin mind you. He had to pull the pin on that pretty quickly.
What Mr Rudd and Ms Rein do with their own private wealth is their own private business. They've both worked hard to achieve success in life - tall poppy syndrome anyone? I'm more concerned when Howard splurges our tax dollars on decorating and furniture, myself.
:yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap: :yelclap:
Gruffalo
16-10-2007, 10:57
Note to all politicians and future politicians -
If you do not want to be crucified, do not own a house!!! Whether you or your wife may of worked hard to get it, is not the point.
Can I also add, how ridiculous is this thread!
biscotti
16-10-2007, 11:21
This isn't adding to the discussion at all :D , but I actually know that house, I've been to a party there and have good friends who live on the same street and have been there many many times. Other houses in that street might sell for $5M but I don't think that one would/will, the price has been well over inflated for the article :yes: We are long time Noosa investors and know the market pretty well so I guess it's only my opinion ;) .
Just adding my two cents worth :p :D
Nice place, although the pool looks like it could use a clean:o .. You know, in all seriousness if I was cashed up I would invest in a luxurious holiday house too.. Why not, if its yours to spend then spend it.. Does not make you a bad person.. Lets not forget that his wife is a very wealthy lady who probably deserves to buy herself some nice things too..;)
HollyHotLips
16-10-2007, 11:41
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I don't honestly see what Mr. Rudd being wealthy enough to buy a holiday house has to do with his ability to lead the country.
Probably about as much to do with his ability to lead the country as Julia Gillard never having been a mother.... e.g. totally irrelevant.
charlen49
16-10-2007, 19:39
Krudd eyes $5M holiday house (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22547326-661,00.html)
He and his wife want to buy the holiday house that they rent for $10K a week.
:rolleyes: :no:
Don't kid yourself that there is a difference between the Right and Left these days!hmm..they started with nothing and earnt every cent they have through hard honest work..they didnt bludge of society..they went out and made something of their lives..so tell me why they cant spend there own hard earned money how they semm fit..wouldnt you......fgs...:thumbsup:
charlen49
16-10-2007, 19:41
SERIOUSLY your all just jelous! Find me a heading with a real storyline. It is his/ her money if I had money I would buy it!
i agree..wake up to yourselfs people..and let the put the green eyed monsters back in the cage!
charlen49
16-10-2007, 19:46
There is no direct relevance, but I think it has a lot to do with empathy.
Can Krudd empathize with the millions of Australian's who are suffering?
Surely that 350k+ he alone, earns a year, really, TRULY, really helps him understand what most of our population are going through.
I am very tempted to become a politician, work for three weeks, then sit back and relax for the rest of my life knowing that because I served time as a politician- I am now supported financially for as long as I live. :thumbsup:
Too bad I have substance.
hmm..he grew up on a farm and father died when he was young and his mother raised him..gee he must have no idea.. assumptions:rolleyes:
Mamaduke
16-10-2007, 20:55
i agree..wake up to yourselfs people..and let the put the green eyed monsters back in the cage!
Huh :confused:
I just wanted to say...
shame on you pegasus, go and wash your mouth out with soap this instant! :shame:
charlen49
16-10-2007, 21:00
Huh :confused:
I just wanted to say...
shame on you pegasus, go and wash your mouth out with soap this instant! :shame:
strange:cool:
I think good on him, he's from the sunnie coast anyways, that's where he has a lot of family, and yeah it's expensive to buy there. Who really cares? I don't think it has any reflection on him as a leader....
Huh :confused:
I just wanted to say...
shame on you pegasus, go and wash your mouth out with soap this instant! :shame:
It's okay MD - I know why you're upset with me:o :p
We all know that wants and needs are different things...or do we...:confused:
Cheers - you know what I want isn't what I said - it was what I thought...
We can all dream and my wonderment really goes to the working conditions that Therese Rein had her employees in... That seemed to be swept under the rug much too soon.
Really - the fact that the workers weren't being paid at correct rates and everyone wanted to blame it all on work choices absolutely astounds me. (This happened before workchoices came in, but only was noticed after it came it - HELLO!!!! - wake up call!!!)
Seriously - people seem so quick to blame the government about people not working under good conditions, however, when facts are pointed out to them, facts seem to be ignored.... (see other posts in other threads... noone seems to have responded (ever) to my posts about how my penalties etc were cut by unions at another place of work 15years ago). Yeah - I know it was a long time ago - but just as relevant as this happened under a Labor government and by the unions!
strange:cool:
All good charlen49 - both MD and I are on the same page (We want the same thing - just hate that I believe in yinyang and quantum physics that means that what I want and what will happen will not necessarily be the same thing...)
Okay - will stick my neck out here - I believe that the government will change, purely because a lot of people (who know no different) will vote for Rudd purely because they feel it's time for change...
(OMG MD - I can just hear the song of 72 ringing in my ears now.... "It's time"....):eek:
rynosmum
17-10-2007, 06:52
Okay - will stick my neck out here - I believe that the government will change, purely because a lot of people (who know no different) will vote for Rudd purely because they feel it's time for change...
I was leaning that way for a while too but not so much anymore. I'm a firm Liberal supporter, without a doubt. Coming from a family of small business owners, working in a corporate environment and having investments that we have built up over time, Liberal has by far the best policies for me. It makes employees accountable, gives additional benefits to employers (personally I think if someone has a slack employee, they SHOULD be able to sack them - let someone who wants to do the job well a chance), they also have negative gearing rules and a tax reform for my tax bracket - they make true sense to me.
I can see though why others in different life stages, different backgrounds and different needs may see benefit in a party that they feel is aimed at them. Perhaps there are political advantages for them that I don't see. Some people want a change and as long as they want a change for justifiable reasons, I think that's fine. What I don't agree with is name calling of party leaders. Whether or not we appreciate how a leader looks, acts or scratches his nose is really no reason to vote for one party or another.
Labor typifies the 'working Australian' and their needs as something very different to what I am after. I can guarantee that with a more than fulltime job, a family and additional work on the side, I am certainly a 'working Australian' but that's another point entirely :rolleyes:
Have a look at the demographics of Bub Hub, although it is an important sample, it's not an indicative representation of the overall market. There are a majority of single income families here, very few corporate business owners - not a bad thing, just a different sample.
I've had a number of conversations with colleagues, neighbours, cab drivers - just trying to get an indication of where people are at - the feedback from them in particular is in reverse to the polls. I've never been polled and neither had anyone else I know....where does the poll data come from?:no:
It'll be a close election, without a doubt but I'm personally not writing off either of the parties at the moment....
Noah_and_Elijah
17-10-2007, 06:55
They are both lucky enough to work in jobs where they are extrememly well paid, lucky for them.
Who cares what house they buy or what car they drive?
Not me! :rolleyes:
charlen49
17-10-2007, 07:28
Okay - will stick my neck out here - I believe that the government will change, purely because a lot of people (who know no different) will vote for Rudd purely because they feel it's time for change...
actaully i'm an almost 37yrold woman with my own mind..and beleive labour is the best choice!
kiwibird27
17-10-2007, 07:41
I don't like him, he looks like a weasel!!!!!!!!!
forbetoel
17-10-2007, 07:49
Okay - will stick my neck out here - I believe that the government will change, purely because a lot of people (who know no different) will vote for Rudd purely because they feel it's time for change...
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Errr.......I can give you plenty of reasons why I will be voting labor, and none of them are trivial, but I won't even go there, if you honestly think people have no valid reasons for wanting a change of government, then my reasons would only be falling on deaf ears anyway.
Mamaduke
17-10-2007, 07:55
(OMG MD - I can just hear the song of 72 ringing in my ears now.... "It's time"....):eek:
Pfft...and we all know how well that "time for a change" turned out! :rolleyes:
charlen49
17-10-2007, 08:08
Errr.......I can give you plenty of reasons why I will be voting labor, and none of them are trivial, but I won't even go there, if you honestly think people have no valid reasons for wanting a change of government, then my reasons would only be falling on deaf ears anyway.omg i think your my twin!!!!:yes: :laughing:
LovelyRita
17-10-2007, 08:21
Okay - will stick my neck out here - I believe that the government will change, purely because a lot of people (who know no different) will vote for Rudd purely because they feel it's time for change...
I often feel that people who vote for John Howard are only doing so simply for economic reasons. :p Surely no one can be voting him back in for his wonderful efforts with indigenous Australian's or for the Iraqi civilians.
Yes, it is more than time for a change, there is a desperate need for change.
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