Circumcision rates between the states

[circangel]

I have posted this before but here it is again just in case anyone wants to know

Circumcision rates (1995 to 2005) have increased in both Qld approximately 2% and NSW approximately 6% in the last 10 years while SA and WA have decreased approximately 1/2% VIC is about the same while TAS has decreased approximately 8% and the NT has decreased approximately 5% Across Australia from 1995 to 2005 there has been an increase of approximately 2% going by statistics. It would appear to be on the increase. I have heard unconfirmed that upto 50% of boys in the Brisbane area are circumcised and it also seems very popular in Sydney as well.

I believe the reason for the difference is not because of parents not wanting to do it but more to do with the medical profession not being agreeable to do it in particular areas and states. And if they (Dr's) were it would be a lot more common in those areas where it is currently declining.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Could you cite your stats please.

[circangel]

I am not sure where the confirmed stats came from it has been a while and I did not maintain reference to them but it was something like the australian bureau of statistics or similar. I would need to find all new stats if need be the case.

[Pippi Longstocking]

Ok, never mind the stats. I could look for my own but can't be bothered.


Circumcision rates (1995 to 2005) have increased in both Qld approximately 2% and NSW approximately 6% in the last 10 years while SA and WA have decreased approximately 1/2% VIC is about the same while TAS has decreased approximately 8% and the NT has decreased approximately 5% Across Australia from 1995 to 2005 there has been an increase of approximately 2% going by statistics. It would appear to be on the increase.
Going by those stats, it would appear that people in QLD and NSW aren't as progressive as those in other states. I wonder what we can do to address that? It is such a shame that little boys are still being circumcised because their parents haven't yet realised how unnecessary it is!


I have heard unconfirmed that upto 50% of boys in the Brisbane area are circumcised and it also seems very popular in Sydney as well. Highly unlikely, I can see why that remains unconfirmed. I would be interested to see real stats rather than unconfirmed assumptions.


I believe the reason for the difference is not because of parents not wanting to do it but more to do with the medical profession not being agreeable to do it in particular areas and states. And if they (Dr's) were it would be a lot more common in those areas where it is currently declining.
One would have to ask why so many medical professionals would not want to do it? I'll wager it has something to do with Hippocratic Oath which states "First, do no harm".

[my_lot]

i think if it was available more people would get it done.

i think the drop in numbers is more to do with not being able to get it done than more people not wanting to get it done.

[ShadyCharacter]

I don't believe that for a moment. If a parent wants their child circumcised enough to think it is worth putting their babe through the pain, they will find a Dr to do it. Sure, a lot of Drs won't, but its not exactly like we are talking about the underground abortions of 50 years ago here :rolleyes:

Hmm, and have never seen ANYONE argue on bubhub that they didn't do their son ONLY because they couldn't find anyone to do it :detective:

Circangel, I find your 50% 'statistic' quite laughable. And as far as your other 'statistics', last time you quoted 'reports' on bubhub, it turned out that your 'reference' was a totally unrelated to the claims you were making (which you never clarified, btw). Perhaps if you could just once provide accurate information from a credible source, we would have something worthy of further discussion.

[MotherNurture]

And as far as your other 'statistics', last time you quoted 'reports' on bubhub, it turned out that your 'reference' was a totally unrelated to the claims you were making (which you never clarified, btw). Perhaps if you could just once provide accurate information from a credible source, we would have something worthy of further discussion.

:thumbsup:

Here's some other statistics...

Circumcise your son and he has a 1% (http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/babies/Circumcision.htm) risk of a poor outcome resulting in recircumcision/revision, a 10% (http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2356.htm) risk of meatal stenosis where scar tissue develops in the peehole, and a 71% (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=10893633&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google) chance of penile adhesions during the first year of life caused by the remanent foreskin reattaching to the glans (head) of he penis.

...then there's also immediate complications like reactions to anesthesia/anesthetic, hemorrhage, infection, and death...truly horrifying stuff like this: infocirc.org/fourn.htm (Highlight, copy, and paste link into your browser and hit enter/return to view. Very graphic.)

Leave him intact, and he has a 99% (http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/babies/Circumcision.htm) chance of retaining his foreskin for the rest of his life.

Perhaps our focus shouldn't be on following the crowd or conforming to the latest cosmetic surgery trend. Maybe the focus should be on informed choice and being courageous enough to protect our sons from culturally-motivated genital cutting, the same as we protect our daughters.

Babies are born perfect.

Jen

[Ange&Seth]

Perhaps our focus shouldn't be on following the crowd


But the 'crowd' advocates leaving boys intact, therefore by this statement you are actually suggesting that boys shouldn't be left intact ie they should be circumcised.

[MotherNurture]

But the 'crowd' advocates leaving boys intact, therefore by this statement you are actually suggesting that boys shouldn't be left intact ie they should be circumcised.

No, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't cut off sensitive, functional bits of children's sexual anatomy based on what the neighbor's are doing. I disagree with making the decision to circumcise or not based on dad's status or locker room paranoia or as circangel suggested in his OP that up to half of boys in Brisbane have undergone foreskin amputation.

Kids should be left healthy & whole because their sex organs belong to them; privates are private; altering such an intimate part of the body should be a personal choice.

I would be outraged if I was missing parts of my vulva because my parents thought it was or was becoming popular in our city.

My genitals are a birthright. So our your's. So our our children's.

Jen

[serendipity22]

Circumcision rates (1995 to 2005) have increased in
..... NSW approximately 6% in the last 10 years

I think the biggest factor here is the high birth rate amongst Muslims in Sydney. Ive seen stats to support this.

[Africamum]

Circangel - This post in misleading, you have not posted circumcision rates at all.

I was intrested in this post, however, telling me that QLD has increased by 2% doesnt tell me anything.

are these increases relative or absolute? please post supporting references if available. Do you have the actual "rates"

[circangel]

I am not sure of the source of my original information and I am sure someone will make an effort to discredit this link but here it is and it shows clearly an increase in circumcision rates

http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/herald.htm

[Blueberry Crumble]

Really, does it MATTER how many people circ in each state? To me, I couldnt care less if 60 percent of the population was done. it wouldnt make me circ my son. Who really cares what the stats say.

*said in a friendly manner* :)

[ShadyCharacter]

I got some excellent info on circumcision yesterday - it's at home, but I will be sure to post it when I get a chance :)

[serendipity22]

Table A6 -- Rate of circumcision of males
less than 6 months of age for year ended July

1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
NSW 12.3 12.6 12.9 13.7 14.5 15.1 15.9 16.4 17.2 18.0 18.5
Qld 18.6 19.6 20.2 20.0 20.3 20.1 19.1 19.3 19.2 19.6 18.5
Vic 5.5 5.3 5.4 5.1 5.3 5.5 6.1 6.5 5.7 5.8 6.2
SA 14.0 14.2 14.7 14.9 14.7 14.1 14.7 14.4 13.6 13.4 13.1
WA 6.9 6.7 6.2 6.6 6.0 6.1 5.8 6.5 6.1 5.7 5.7
Tas 10.4 9.9 10.1 10.0 9.2 7.5 6.5 2.5 1.2 1.5 1.0
ACT 4.8 4.0 5.5 5.7 6.4 6.3 5.8 4.1 6.3 6.1 5.6
NT 7.5 8.6 7.4 7.3 6.5 6.6 6.0 3.9 2.3 2.9 2.9
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Aus 11.2 11.4 11.7 11.9 12.3 12.5 12.6 12.8 12.5 12.8 12.9

Source of data: Medicare Australia
http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au
Figures wouldn't include the tiny number of circs after the age of 6 months, but would include religious circs and presumably circs that are done twice.

I don't see an increase in Qld when comparing 1997 and 2007. As I said earlier the rise in NSW is largely due to larger numbers of (mainly Lebanese) muslims.

[kristyNluke]

No, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't cut off sensitive, functional bits of children's sexual anatomy based on what the neighbor's are doing. I disagree with making the decision to circumcise or not based on dad's status or locker room paranoia or as circangel suggested in his OP that up to half of boys in Brisbane have undergone foreskin amputation.

Kids should be left healthy & whole because their sex organs belong to them; privates are private; altering such an intimate part of the body should be a personal choice.

I would be outraged if I was missing parts of my vulva because my parents thought it was or was becoming popular in our city.

My genitals are a birthright. So our your's. So our our children's.

Jen
are you trying to say that the reason i got my son done was because my neighbour got her son done well both my neighbours have girls and i would not have the slightest on there views on circ and they have no idea i have my son done cause frenkly it is none of there business.:shame:

[BrAins]

personally, i dont care what the statistics are for circ, cause even if 99% of boys are done, my boy wouldnt be, unless of course there was a very valid reason to remove something that was created to be there.

[ShadyCharacter]

are you trying to say that the reason i got my son done was because my neighbour got her son done well both my neighbours have girls and i would not have the slightest on there views on circ and they have no idea i have my son done cause frenkly it is none of there business.:shame:I think you are putting words into MN's mouth. I don't see anywhere that she even suggested YOU circumcised your son for ANY reason. :confused:

MN was responding to the OP, which was (falsely, by the look of the medicare stats) stating there has been a rise in circumcision popularity. MN was saying this is not a good reason to circumcise our children.

[secondtimearound2]

Figures wouldn't include the tiny number of circs after the age of 6 months, but would include religious circs and presumably circs that are done twice.

I don't see an increase in Qld when comparing 1997 and 2007. As I said earlier the rise in NSW is largely due to larger numbers of (mainly Lebanese) muslims.

:wave: serendipity

I think you'll find alot parents opt to get their child done after 12 months now. Better pain relief for the child ;) .

Here's one poll from here http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=73971

[Blueberry Crumble]

No, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't cut off sensitive, functional bits of children's sexual anatomy based on what the neighbor's are doing. I disagree with making the decision to circumcise or not based on dad's status or locker room paranoia or as circangel suggested in his OP that up to half of boys in Brisbane have undergone foreskin amputation.

Kids should be left healthy & whole because their sex organs belong to them; privates are private; altering such an intimate part of the body should be a personal choice.

I would be outraged if I was missing parts of my vulva because my parents thought it was or was becoming popular in our city.

My genitals are a birthright. So our your's. So our our children's.

Jen

Everything she said:D :thumbsup:

[Blueberry Crumble]

are you trying to say that the reason i got my son done was because my neighbour got her son done well both my neighbours have girls and i would not have the slightest on there views on circ and they have no idea i have my son done cause frenkly it is none of there business.:shame:

She wasnt implying anything about your neighbours or whatever you are trying to say. From your post here, it seems that you are telling us that it is your right and nobody elses business that your son is circed. Fair enough if that is what you believe.

All that she was saying is that she personally would not base a decision to circ on stats. I dont think the 'telling off' smilie was needed TBH:confused: :cool:

[MotherNurture]

I am not sure of the source of my original information and I am sure someone will make an effort to discredit this link but here it is and it shows clearly an increase in circumcision rates

http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/herald.htm

That's a circumcision-advocacy website, not a non-biased or professional source. The newspaper article is over three years old, seems to be an opinion piece, and may or may not be accurate; it's unreferenced. It also contains sort of goofy statements, like:


Dewan adds that hygiene could become a problem in uncircumcised boys if circumcised men were raising intact sons. "There is a barrier, with the father saying, 'I don't know what to do with it'."

That reason is just stupid.


are you trying to say that the reason i got my son done was because my neighbour got her son done well both my neighbours have girls and i would not have the slightest on there views on circ and they have no idea i have my son done cause frenkly it is none of there business.:shame:

Nope, I didn't accuse you of doing so. I just said I don't think that circumcising-or not-to follow the crowd is appropriate. We're talking about cutting off pieces of a non-consenting minor's penis...there are way better reasons to leave normal, healthy genitals alone.

Jen

[serendipity22]

secondtimearound2 said

I think you'll find alot parents opt to get their child done after 12 months now.

I dug up the medicare stats for 6 months to 10 years old.


State Total
NSW VIC QLD SA WA TAS ACT NT
1,290 764 624 170 393 158 33 49 3,481

item number
30656

under 6 months total is 17,877
so about 80% of circs under 10, are in the under 6 months old group.