An explanation

[Pippi Longstocking]

I wanted to clarify why I am so vocal in the circ threads. I have been accused of being abusive, which I think is a wee bit unfair considering I do take great care not to be.

I care about little babies. I feel that circumcision hurts them. Therefore, I feel that I must speak up about the practice. I must voice my concerns. Because little babies deserve to be protected.

I acknowledge that other people don't understand this point of view in the same way that I completely and freely admit that I don't understand the belief that circumcision is in the best interests of the child. I do get that some people honestly believe that they are doing the right thing so they don't deserve to be persecuted for that. But I feel that their opinion has been based on misinformation and I want to clear that up to avoid other parents doing the same thing.
That is all. I'm not here because I like making people feel bad. I am not here to cause conflict. I don't want to deliberately hurt feelings. I just want people to really think about the practice of circumcision and realise that it isn't necessary.

[moonblossom]

Guv, you don't have to explain this to me, I'm in the same corner.

I admire you

[nut]

Hey I was just debating PMing you to give you a hug. But I know you wouldn't like that.

Instead I will say publically that I hear you. I get you. I admire you and I thank you for fearlessly taking one for the team as you so often do.:yes:

I know you have helped many people here on the hub, and that you have changed opinions leading to actual real-life little boys being in less pain.

Blessings.

[Noah_and_Elijah]

Almost all of your posts make me stop and think about the choices that I am making and I like that.

I like to be challenged because it just shows me that the decisions I have made are the right ones and that by informing myself I have done the right thing!

Thanks Guv! :thumbsup:

[allysophia]

:yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:

Protect em youngings Gov!

[greengables]

I think it is healthy to present facts and opinions on debatable topics...

However I don't like it when anyone gives their opinion as the only correct opinion ... I find that judgmental and offensive.

[secondtimearound2]

I think it is healthy to present facts and opinions on debatable topics...

However I don't like it when anyone gives their opinion as the only correct opinion ... I find that judgmental and offensive.

Yes I so agree :thumbsup:

There are much better ways to get your point across. Mothernuture does a great job of this!!

[SugarBlossom]

I hear ya! It is the only thing I cannot comprehend - I just do not understand how people could do this.

I try and keep my mind as open as possible on all other things in the world of being a parent and realise everyone is different and we are all trying to the best for our precious children.

But everytime I hear of a little perfect boy being cirumcised it breaks my heart.

They must go thru so much pain -

I don't mean to go overboard in my distaste for it, but i just can't express it any other way.

So Guv, I totally know where you are coming from :yes:

[Pippi Longstocking]

Thanks guys. Nut, you brought a tear to my eye. :o
I'm much better with insults than I am with compliments! :laughing:

ETA: Oh and I meant to say I am glad so many of you "get it". I don't want to be thought of as some nasty opinionated cow that is just here to stir sh!t. I actually really genuinely do care and I hope that shows.

[Roopee]

It shows alright! I think its a great thing and if your opinions and knowledge have saved just one little boy from being circ'd then thats a great thing!

i feel the same way you do- i just lack the eloquence to say it!

[Beany]

Explanation my foot. You're just having a sookielala moment. Want a kleenex?

:D :p

[our3boys]

im sorry but you will NEVER change my mind on this topic.
im just wondering what you are acually doing outside bub hub to get circ banned?

[Pippi Longstocking]

Explanation my foot. You're just having a sookielala moment. Want a kleenex?

:D :p

Bite me! I'm just trying to appear innocent so's I don't get in trouble for my posts on the other thread. :angel:

[Beany]

There there, dear :hugs:

[Milliner]

I whole-heartedly agree with you Guv. You say everything that I want to say but you express yourself a lot better than I can.

[kristi001]

Guv coming from my perspective I havent Yet seen anything wrong with Your Posts! :no:

Its healthy to have different Oppinions on something and if Your pasionate about it then thats even better!

But i will say i Have been insulted/abused regards to my view on this Subject so i know it deffinately does happen!

All i will say is that i Do not look down On people that do not circumcise so i dont Really like people Looking down On me! :o

I Just See it as a different Choices made by the same Great Parents!

Thanks For some Great Reading Material Gov! :yes:

[Pippi Longstocking]

Guv coming from my perspective I havent Yet seen anything wrong with Your Posts! :no:

Its healthy to have different Oppinions on something and if Your pasionate about it then thats even better!


Thanks For some Great Reading Material Gov! :yes:

Thanks Kristi, I really appreciate your feedback. It's far easier to just attack the person for the opinion and I think it shows great maturity that you haven't done that.

[melfunction]

Guv, it shouldn't take an explanation thread to work out you are passionate about protecting the rights of children and babies - those whose voices are quite often ignored.

All it takes is reading your posts.

You have never offended me. More like enlightened.

Don't ever change :hugs:

[Shanaynay]

I hear you too :yes:
If everyone turned a blind eye to what they believed was improper care or treatment of infants, where would that leave us as a society?

[Areca]

I've read your posts in the circ threads and have never thought they were offensive or that you were abusing people. Instead I've just thought 'go guv!'

I think bubhub is lucky to have someone so passionate and informed on the subject. There may be some people who's mind you won't change but I think all your info is invaluable for those trying to make up their mind. I'm quite sure that has to be at least one bubhub member who has decided against circ cause of your information.
Don't ever stop....then some of us other lazy buggers may have to take on the role!

[my_lot]

im sorry but you will NEVER change my mind on this topic.
im just wondering what you are acually doing outside bub hub to get circ banned?

yep, id like to know too.

[draught]

A reminder that complaining about infractions is against the rules of the forum.

[xkwzit]

A number of off topic posts have been deleted. This was not meant to be a general discussion or debate thread.

And to you Guv, ppl who are passionate are good to have around. Especially when they prove they can post constructively w/o being judgemental or demeaning of the ppl who don't share the view.:hugs:

Cheers

[Pippi Longstocking]

im sorry but you will NEVER change my mind on this topic.
im just wondering what you are acually doing outside bub hub to get circ banned?


yep, id like to know too.

Nothing. :wave:

I have said a few times that I really feel that being vocal on a parenting forum is a really good way to get parenting issues discussed, reviewed and changed. I believe in education not legislation - I want to see parents willingly choose to leave their sons intact rather than be forced to by law. Obviously I would still be happy if a law was passed banning RIC.

I wonder why people often ask that question - "oh yeah? If you feel so strongly why doncha do something about it!" and it always perplexes me. Just because I am not prepared to take on the world, that does not invalidate the small contribution I do make.

I hope that answers your question. :)

[SugarBlossom]

me. Just because I am not prepared to take on the world, that does not invalidate the small contribution I do make.




Even a little makes a difference.

I would say you make more than a small difference guv.

I wish I was more tactful instead of being a typical aries an spouting of, as I may make a difference too....instead people find me confronting and a little loopy :rolleyes:

[Pippi Longstocking]

I wish I was more tactful instead of being a typical aries an spouting of, as I may make a difference too....instead people find me confronting and a little loopy :rolleyes

It must be an Aries trait ;) :D

Us feisty fiery Aries woman are smart, if only more people would listen to us! :yes: :D

[SugarBlossom]

It must be an Aries trait

Us feisty fiery Aries woman are smart, if only more people would listen to us! :D

lol yep we aure are smart!!:thumbsup: :yes:

And fiesty and firey is right! :laughing:

And maybe sometimes scary!

[Sarieslittlemen]

I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm only really commenting on the original post.
I really understand where your coming from, even though we are a pro circ family.
We made a choice for our family, based on 'family' tradition and other circumsances (infections etc), but I do not feel I have to justify my choices.
I don't think I have ever found your posts aggresive, merely passionate. Unfortunately this is such a heated topic it's very hard for either pro or con to agree, even agree to disagree.
I think it's great that you stand up for what you believe in, as every parent should. After all that's what we are put on this earth for, to raise the beautiful little treasures we are blessed with, to be the best possible adults they can be.