$3000 payment

[mumof2girls]

I was at the hospital with my neice as she was having a scan done (4 months) and a lady walked in the hospital in labour and said that she wanted a c-section to get this *&^%$#@ kid out as was due that day and hadn't gone into labour. She seemed not all there and she said once the baby was born to get welfare to pick it up as she didn't want the child she only wanted the $3000 for drugs.

I was totally in shock not only at what had said but the state that she seemed to be in, she said to the nurse that she had been using throughout her pregnancy so the kid would probably have problems. I was Disgusted.

When my neice was having her scan we were talking about what we had just witnessed and the nurses said it was becoming a regular thing as the druggies wanted money and it was an easy way to get it. (I'm not sure easy is the word I would use).

When my neice went into labour Sshe had a beautiful little girl dec04) the same lady came in for a scan as she was pregnant again.

I know I am old fashioned, my kids are older and we coped with getting any money when our children were born, but I think maybe it would be better if they made the payment more like a wage over say 3 months then in one lump sum
what do other think?

[Narelle]

Hi mumof2girls!
I can't believe that! I don't think they should get a split payment, I don't think they should get a payment at all! :mad: If the child gets picked up by welfare and isn't in the care of the mother then the government should know the money isn't going to be used for the child. I'm not sure what the answer is but I hope that something is being done to try and stop this from happening! :(

[mumof2girls]

Hi Narelle;

I don't think that they should get a payment either, I suppose one good thing is at least the child isn't living with a parent that doesn't want them and hopefully they go to a good home to someone who can really love them. I look at my girls and the thought of even smacking them when they were little really distressed me but to fill them full of drugs I just can't imagine what the child must go through.

The split payment would be good for families say over a 3 month period so it could be like a part-time wage or something. I'm not sure just my opinion!

[Michele Crocker]

Hi Narelle

I think this is digusting. What I would do is I was the government is to refuse her the money and make that druggie, who just wants the baby just to get money out of the government ,is to pay her to have her tubes tied so she can not fall pregnant ever again. I also make this druggie go through and see what she is doing to these poor innocent babies who do not deserve to go through withdrawal symptoms just because she is a selfish drug addict who wants to get money to get her fix. I think this is criminal and she should be charged.

Michele
Mother of Christopher, Luke, Melissa, Jayden and ?(due in November)

[WeThree]

my mums a midwife and she sees quite a few of these sort of woman come in and they are pregnant to get the money for drugs, but she said they are always in for a rude shock because they dont end up getting the money. They think that even if the baby is taken off them that they will still get the money, but the hospital has already alerted the authorities about them and they dont recieve the payment, which they get very upset about(my husband says thats an understatement!) sucked in i say!

[mumof2girls]

Well that is good to know but do you know if that is in all states as we live in SA and the nurses never mentioned that? I hope they get nothing they certainly don't deserve it!

[Lachlan's Mum]

Hi All

The baby bonus payments are made by the commonwealth govt so should be the same for all states.

As I understand it you have to fill out forms that ask whether baby will be in your full time care for a certain period of time....and I believe that even adoptive parents etc can claim - so it is not really linked to the actual person who gives birth but who will care for the baby - but maybe these low lifes have worked out a way around the system?? who knows.

[Lucybelle]

SO disgusting..

I work at the Family Assitance Office (now on mat leave), I just left as it was being released, but yes Melanie is right.

You must have care of your baby for a certain period before you can get the baby bonus. It has always been like that even for the $800 payment. If the child goes into care or an agency has to step in, they notify FAO. If they have received the payment already and then baby goes into care it is pulled up as a debt to them.
I'm not sure if they brought this in but if a FAO officer believes it will not go for the care of the child they can elect to give payment oover a period of time. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be in playing god and passing judgement on other people like this, but if I heard a customer saying that I would have no problem.

Politicians brought this payment just before the election (funny), but I don't beleive they thought it though enough (why would they).
Australia will have a problem in the next few years with the population not having enough people to pay taxes to support the next lot of older people who retire from the workforce. Therefore they are trying to boost our population.

[H&B'sMum]

I had many thoughts going through my head when I was reading this. First and foremost how bloody disgusting. But the second thought is that not only (might???) this woman get the money but imagine all the medical bills her baby will cost the Govt all because of her stupid and selfish actions. I know it's not the baby's fault in no way do I blame it, but this woman is going to cost us tax payers more than the $3000 and her benefits.
Also 9 months is a hell of a long time to wait for $3000 for your next fix. She could get clean and get her life back in order in that time.

[Mummabear]

Damn, I'm so naive sometimes. I thought it was odd listening to others talk about their big screen TV's and jewellery, etc that they were going to spend the $3000 on but just chalked it up to 'each to their own'. This is totally disgusting though. I agree that she should be paid to have her tubes tied rather than paid to have a baby. I think that if they only get the payment if the baby stays with them then this could produce an even worse problem - babies ending up relying on selfish druggies like her to survive - they would be much better off being given to welfare to find a decent home for them, rather than staying with their "mothers" (I use that term VERY loosely). I just can not believe that this actually goes on and there is nothing anyone can do about it. It's so sad.

[mumof2girls]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one disgusted by this!, I thought my "old-ageness" was showing.

I guess we are in a no win situation, if they get pregnant for the money and they don't get it then the poor children are left with parents that don't want them and will probably neglect them just so they can have the money. It's a sad situation but unfortunately it is all to common and all to easy these days to get everything for nothing.

A friend's daughter makes more than me on a sole parent pension then me working which I think is unfair but I am a much happier person knowing that everything that we buy we worked hard for and we are better role models for our daughters!

Kay

["keyansmum"]

WOW!!
Words cant describe the way I feel about someone that could do that!!

Its disgusting I am a child care worker and have been for the past 8 years you see some things and hear things you rather dont want to but this one tops them all.
I did have an experience several years ago where a baby of 2 weeks was in full time child care as an emergency care sitiuation mum was a druggy and prostitute she did have a partner and another child with the same man.
Soon after she gave birth to this bub she discharged herself from hospital went to a hotel room and overdosed and yes left the newborn to fend for himself. staff found him some time after. Any way to continue the story he was in full time care with us cos the dad didnt want another one and was just managing with the other child.
So us girls looked after this little one as if he was our own 2wks to 1.5 years the same people cared for him. When he was about one the long lost mum returned we were so ****ED of to say the least she came storming in the door one day of her face cursing the people who had cared for her son for the past year and a half.
He had a fall and a bandaid I tell you what this day we were really holding back our p's and q's. Its children like this that I say thank god he was with good people getting cared for in a safe place cos you would have to wander where he would be if it wasnt for us!!!!!!!

DElanie keyans mum

[mumof2girls]

keyansmum I hear you I have worked in childcare for the last 10 years and some of the some things you witness are incredible. I have just left the childcare business 3 weeks ago as I'm going to uni to study social work now, I really needed a change!!!! not from the children but from some of the parents and politics!!

[WeThree]

hearing these stories makes me determined to give my little ones an extra big kiss and cuddle tonight( and pray for all those children and babies who wont get one) :( it just makes me so mad

[mumof2girls]

coopsntilly

give them a couple, it so sad when there is so many people who want children and cn't have them and so many that have them and shouldn't. I adore my girls and cherish every minute with them! it makes me really mad as well

[Lucybelle]

Oh NewMum, thats an angle I didn't even think of. I wonder if they could be given the $3000 to leave and give the poor child up to the thousands of loving willing arms out there. Yep, just take the money, get lost so you can't do any further damage to the child.

[veronica]

or use the $3000 to detox etc. It makes me so incredibly sad especially when there are so many wonderful people out there who are desperate for children, can't fall pregnant and can't afford IVF.

On the other topic of the money as a one off payment. I think it should stay as a one off payment as we used it to help pay for the huge number of one off things associated with starting a family (cot, high chair, pram, etc, etc, etc!!) There are probably some people who would be better off getting it over time (eg. Woman with an gambling addicted partner who might just waste it all) but how do you make the judgement? As you say Lucybelle a very hard decsion!

[redbaby]

Gosh,.... This is totally revolting,. it makes my stomach turn to think of the poor little souls that are brought into the world only to be emotionally and physically abandoned,.... terrible,.. people have to have a licence to have a dog, ..yet anyone can have a baby??!

In the UK they have a 'baby bonus' of sorts,.but the money is invested into managed funds by the government on behalf of the baby,.they then add to the lump sum every year until the baby is 18. The funds are then turned over to the child,. I think that is a brilliant idea,....

[noniandlilysmum]

WOW!!! This woman wouldn't care about nothing by the sounds of it... To see this woman twice pregnant must make you realise just how precious your children are(Mumof2girls)... I must say I am not the best mother in the world, although my kids think so, I still try every single day to better myself as a person, friend, sister, wife, mother etc etc... I have 2 beautiful girls that are just normal kids who argue with each other, throw tantrums, and need to be told more than once to do homework, chores etc... But, hey, who has the perfect kids? As for this woman it sure does make you realise how good you've got it and that there is always room for improvement... And what's really sad is that this woman was most probably raised the same way as she is raising her kids... I think anybody who comes from a drug related environment, who can give their kids a better life than they were shown needs to be congratulated, Drugs are nasty business, and if your going to have children, you first need to break the habit... My husbands whole family were involved in heavy drugs from a young age(12), My husband is an inspiration to all his sisters as he has overcome an addiction to drugs(heroine, speed and marijuana) at the tender age of 14, Being the only one out of 4 boys who has overcome his addiction, done a trade and owned his own workshop, and now has a wife, 2 children and one on the way... He is just wonderful... I am so happy to have married someone who can actually say, been there, done that, wouldn't put my family through what I was as a child... My husband lost his father due to drugs about a year and a half ago, If he had of been thinking clearly he would have still been with us... So sad... You only get one chance at life :)

[mumof2girls]

noniandlilysmum, I hear you when it comes to having drugs within a family situation. My neice is pregnant with her 3rd child and she has smoked dope and dunk alcohol throughout all her pregnancies even though she knows the risks to her and the child she just won't stop. There is nothing we can do about this (not through lack of trying) :(

Although we can't do anything we have been blessed with 2 adorable children (now aged 5 & 10 months) and neither of them have had any problems within their lives (Thank goodness), we are hoping for the same with the bub that is on the way (fingers crossed). I know that she wasn't raised this way it was the path she chose when her sister died and although we have been supportive throughout her life it's the path she has chosen and the only person who can change it is her. She does take good care of her children and loves them dearly but I just wish she would give up the bad habits once and for all!

Congratulate your hubby for me, it's a hard road to take especially when you are surrounded by it and he had the strength & courage to better himself and it looks like he has been rewarded by a loving wife and 2 darling girls :)

[noniandlilysmum]

Thanks for those kind words mumof2girls, I am glad your nieces children are all good and do hope her other child will be just as good... So sad to hear about her sister dying, very understandable for a young person to take such a path in life... But like you said, Only she can change herself... We just found out we are having a boy today, so I am sure this will keep my husband even more determined to giving his son the life he never had... All the best to everyone... :D

[mummyb]

all you can do is
add a little something extra to the lives of these poor little buggers.
when your darling bubs are at school you will know doubt meet a kid whos mum and dad arent all there ,who dont have the same safe secure home to go to as our kids.
so just throw a little extra in there lives ,
give them a smile it s free .
invite them over for afternoon tea, give them your best you may be the only person who ever does.!!
tell them how great they are and can be .

enjoy your babies and smile at other peoples kids it make severyone feel good. :)

[kiara]

I agree. That is absolutely disgusting. Exspecially when I have no children of my own and miscarried my first my best friends sister, who I look at as my own sister, did everything right throughout her pregnancy and delivered a still born and my other friend miscarried twins. I know there are many other women out there is worse situtations then myself and the women I just mentioned but it just makes you that be more angry(not even close to how I really feel) when things like that are close to home

[mumofethan]

Hi Smash,

I think there is a time period.. it mite be 14days or a mth or something like that... i vaguely remember have to tick a box saying he was going to be in my care for a certian time period but it wasnt long!

:D

Michelle