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jeski
20-07-2007, 01:48
I'm aware that a few things I have to say here might be controversial, and apologies in advance, but I hope my candour concerning this topic will be appreciated. I thought I'd write down my first time experiences with breastfeeding to maybe be of some help/interest to other new mums.

Before the birth of my daughter Pandora 7 weeks ago, I was absolutely determined to breastfeed and I truly believed that I wouldn't have that much trouble with it. My own mother breastfed me until I was 2 years old and never told of any difficulties with it, so I thought I'd have the same experience and it would be easy. About a week ago my mum found a heap of notes she'd made about her pregnancy with me, my birth, and breastfeeding me. I discovered that she'd actually had a really hard time establishing breastfeeding, feeding me a lot of glucose water in the first couple of weeks after I was born, and making much use of a breast pump and nipple shields. In my own experience with breastfeeding, I've discovered that I was very naiive! :p

While in hospital after Pandora was born I saw about 4 or 5 different midwives, who all gave me conflicting advice on breastfeeding. From the start I just wanted them all to go away and let me do my own thing. Although Pandora had a bad latch and my nipples got quite damaged, I managed to convince the midwives that I was okay enough with breastfeeding for them to allow me to leave hospital two days after she was born. On the third day at home my milk came in, and the breastfeeding seemed to be going ok.. albeit a bit painfully. However, Pandora had been diagnosed with hip displasia ("clicky hips") at hospital, and during her first week at home my partner David and I had to take her out frequently to various appointments (ultrasound, paediatrician, and harness fitting). On these trips I delayed breastfeeding until we got back home and due to this I developed mastitis. When we came back home from one appointment (at which Pandora had cried constantly because she was hungry) I collapsed into bed with a bad fever and slept, unable to be woken - David frantically called my mum to ask her what to do. I eventually woke up later that night and expressed milk with a handheld pump for the first time, because I felt so sick and unable to muster the energy to breastfeed directly. It was instant relief to be able to feed my baby this way. I felt it took a lot of the pressure off, when my nipples were so sore. The pump still hurt a little (I was occasionally expressing some blood along with the milk) but it didn't hurt nearly as much as Pandora feeding directly. However, I didn't want to exclusively express milk. I started using nipple shields to feed Pandora in the daytime, and while I slept through the night David would feed her expressed milk - he took 4 weeks off work after Pandora was born, so I had the "day shift" while he was able to take the "night shift".

Feeding Pandora directly gradually became easier, even though I didn't really seek any advice on helping her to latch properly. She just seemed to get the hang of it by herself, and I think it has been due to the nipple shields - they give her a teat to latch onto well. For the first 3 or 4 weeks I was only feeding her directly from the left breast, and only expressing milk from the right breast, because my right nipple became quite painfully damaged, and also because the mastitis had developed in the left breast and I'd heard that feeding from that side would help the condition to clear up quicker. I don't know how much this practice or the mastitis had to do with it, but now I produce a lot more milk in the right breast than the left.

For the last few weeks I have been directly feeding Pandora from both sides. Still with nipple shields - although my nipples have "toughened up" enough now to tolerate her feeding without them, it is a lot easier to feed with them on because she spends a lot less time fussing for a good latch. Meanwhile over the last couple of weeks I have built up a bit of a stash of frozen breast milk. I am now feeding Pandora directly all of the time except for one feed of 125mL of expressed milk before bed, and I feed her expressed milk if we go out anywhere during the day (it's just easier and quicker than finding a comfortable spot to breastfeed her directly). I feed her the expressed milk before bed because then I know for sure she is getting a good feed before going to sleep, and it seems to settle her better. This practice has apparently paid off because at 5 weeks she started sleeping through the night (from 10 - 11pm to 4 - 5am).

I hope this has been a somewhat helpful insight into establishing breastfeeding for new mums.. any thoughts on things I've done are most welcome. I really didn't do that much research into breastfeeding so everything I've done has been pretty much play-by-ear. I do have a question for more experienced breastfeeding mums.. though it might be a bit controversial. Since I started breastfeeding, I've spent a few evenings having several drinks with friends, causing me to get pretty tipsy (of course Pandora was only fed expressed milk on these occasions) and waking up the next morning somewhat worse for wear. I've noticed that the milk I expressed in this hangoverish state was much more yellow in colour than usual. My question is - is this milk ok to feed my baby? I've been assured by several people that it's fine, as I'm not expressing it while drunk, rather the day after drinking.. but I'm still curious about its safety, and what exactly causes it to be so yellow. :confused:

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Oscar's mum
20-07-2007, 07:27
Since I started breastfeeding, I've spent a few evenings having several drinks with friends

After drinking I think you are meant to express that milk and throw it away. I don't actually drink whilst breastfeeding myself though so honestly I don't know if that is completely true. Hmmm I am sure someone else can enlighten on that topic.


Thanks for sharing your story about breastfeeding. You mentioned that you are using nipple shields. They unfortunately are only good for short term usage - if you can I really would try and wean bub off using them. If you are having problems with bub attaching to your own nipple maybe try using a 'nipple puller' so that your own nipples are more prominent or roll the nipple between your fingers before trying to attaching.

AM
20-07-2007, 07:55
The alcohol in your milk at any time is the same as the alcohol in your blood, so if you are fine to drive a car - ie, not over the limit, you are fine to breastfeed.

As your blood alcohol lowers, so does your 'milk alcohol' IYKWIM.

As for the milk being yellow, many things can influence the colour of the milk, but perhaps it is higher in hindmilk ie fat, as it has not been drained off as often?

our little treasures
20-07-2007, 08:14
Thanks for sharing! I think you will help a lot of mums who are trying to get the hang of it! I also used nipple shields until my nipples had healed and I swear by them! I actually tell friends to buy some for the hosi bag!!:thumbsup:

Seekrit
20-07-2007, 08:26
I've heard recently that there's no need to 'pump and dump' milk after drinking as the alcohol stays in your milk as long as it stays in your body... so pumping and dumping won't work if it's still in there, adn if it's out of your system then you're right to feed.

Oscar's mum
20-07-2007, 08:28
I've heard recently that there's no need to 'pump and dump' milk after drinking as the alcohol stays in your milk as long as it stays in your body... so pumping and dumping won't work if it's still in there, adn if it's out of your system then you're right to feed.

See told ya I was clueless about what to do:o :p

Laksa
20-07-2007, 11:08
firstly, well done for sticking it out through the pain and mastitis! :yelclap:


You mentioned that you are using nipple shields. They unfortunately are only good for short term usage - if you can I really would try and wean bub off using them.
i agree with this. Harper was stuck on the shield for 2 months, i hated it, made it so difficult to feed in public and i have heard of women's supply dropping when using them. i had to see a lactation consultant to help get him off them. if your little girl is able to feed without it, i would encourage that as much as possible :yes:

karenfitz8
12-03-2009, 22:12
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story. My son is now 11 days old and I have had a very similiar experience. I chose to give birth in a birthing centre which was excellent and very memorable for all the right reasons :yelclap:. Whilst attending their parent education classes we decided I would breastfeed our bub Corey. Never doubting for a second I would have any problems due mainly to naiveity on my part:no:. I have had 4 different midwifes/lactation consultations tell me different things leaving me feeling very confused and disallusioned :confused: I was on the verge of giving up as breastfeeding wasn't turning out to be the bonding experience I had hoped for eith my bub but rather an endurance test. I have another appointment in the breastfeeeding centre tomorrow but have decided if that doesn't work out to continue anyway doing it our way, thanks to your story :yelclap: So thank you once again for sharing its great to know I'm not alone :thumbsup:

SPC
12-03-2009, 22:32
You poor, poor woman! I feel so sorry for you. You've had an awful time of it. Your experience is very different from mine; although I had great difficulty getting my baby to latch on, [she didn't attach at all for two days and then only with a nipple shield for a few weeks], I had soooo much good help that we got there quite quickly.

It doesn't have to hurt and your nipples don't have to be sore. Correct latching means that there is no pain and your nipples aren't damaged. I was really lucky to have an excellent lactation consultant and a really good domicillary midwife. My nipples have never been hurt by Esme feeding, as I had somebody right there with me in the early days and when I said it hurt they repositioned her so it didn't.

To be honest I think your story should serve as a warning to pregnant women to educate themselves. Have you noticed how bookshops are full of books on how to get a baby to sleep but hardly any about breastfeeding? But there is loads of help out there, especially on line. I think the best thing to do is actually see women breast feeding, by joining the ABA and going to their meetings.

demeter
13-03-2009, 10:00
:hugs: What a journey! :hugs:

I'm another one who relied on nipple shields. We used them for 8 weeks at every feed, and then gradually used them less until one day I realised we weren't using them at all. I would just attempt at least one feed a day without using them, but I didn't want to stress myself out about it, so I took it slow and had faith that at some point we wouldn't need them anymore. I was looking forward to not needing them because I knew they had the potential to threaten my milk supply. Thankfully they did a great job of getting us through the early stages and I no longer needed them before they became an issue. Having said that I know of women who have used them for years and gone fine :)

Lactation consultants! That's the ticket ;) I was fortunate in that my sister had a baby two years before me so I had seen her struggle with learning to breastfeed in the hospital and getting conflicting advice from all the different midwives with different levels of education concerning breastfeeding. When it comes to breastfeeding International Board Certified Lactation Consultants (IBCLC) are the medical experts. So when I had trouble figuring our how to get a latch I went to The Australian Lactation Consultant website to find someone in my area to come to my house to watch me breastfeed and provide suggestions/info.

Some hospitals have LC's in them and because they work for the hospy they're free. But if ever I was taking breastfeeding advice in hospital I would first ask the person if they were an IBCLC :)

Your story is such an important one for pregnant women to read to understand some of the things they need to consdier when preparing for baby's arrival. Would you mind linking to this in the Breastfeeding Stories (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=178112) sticky for other mums?

Hooves
13-03-2009, 21:31
Way to go with the BF:yelclap: Well done.


YES I had to use them with my first bub too.

What a rude shock it is the introduction to breast feeding. Some people are lucky and both mum and bub take to it like a duck to water.

I was not one of these mums.

It was painful, and I hated every minute of it, to the point I was scared to hear my baby cry.

It was 4 days in hospital before one of the night time, midwives handed me a nipple shield and said you are either going to feed her or put her on the bottle. LOL

I have never been so eternally greatful to anyone in my whole life.

I used my nipple shields for 3 months. Then one day I decided to just try and feed bare. I was fine.

BUT if I didn't get the nipple shield to start with my bub would have ended up on a bottle, and so I think would my other two, after her.

karenfitz8
14-03-2009, 16:14
I just wanted to update my story, I returned to the breastfeeding centre for my second appointment and met a different lactation consultant who has been my saviour :smiliedance:. She was so much more practical and even had me latching bub on without the nipple shield :yelclap:. Through talking to me we have discovered I have Raynaud's syndrome which i why its so painful to feed the blood supply to my nipples gets cut off, they turn blue :no:.

However we have found ways to deal with the discomfort and my milk supply is increasing, so I guess the mral of the story for me is if you really want to do it, keep trying find someone your happy with and comfortable talking to. Its so worth it and I couldn't be happier. I had begun to feel like I was failing my son, and my confidence was seriously knocked now I know its a medical condition I'm much more relaxed and its all starting to happen, thanks to finding the right help. So thanks ABA :yelclap:

GeorgiaAnne
14-03-2009, 21:28
Wow, well done to you :yelclap::) Perseverance is the key!
and good for you too Karen, it is such a relief to get help when it works :yelclap: I also got nip vasospasm, there's a thread about it atm as well.