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becca74
19-07-2007, 00:36
This is a difficult poll, but I think it will give perspective. I dont want it to turn into a debate, as I know this can turn fiery. I just want to see where women are at on this issue.

What I want to know, is when the word 'caesarean' is presented to you when you are pregnant/in labour, what is your reaction?

eta: Can you answer a question? Why do you/dont you trust a Drs opinion at face value?

Remember, no debate between different women's answers, this is an information gathering thread only.....

OneBabyBoy
19-07-2007, 08:21
I think when I was in labour I was in so much pain that I wasn't thinking clearly. When the doctor said I need a c/s I wasn't thinking of anything other than "thank god this pain will be over soon". (Although he did explain it) Sorry If that sounds bad, it was just really painful, I had been in hospital for weeks by then, I was induced which was painful too and the contractions were horrible, I just wanted it to be over.
I suppose it's just natural to trust doctors. For me anyway. We are raised knowing that they know what they are doing and the risk of challenging them when there is a baby involved is maybe more of a risk than just having the c/s.

nats
19-07-2007, 08:31
I think when I was in labour I was in so much pain that I wasn't thinking clearly. When the doctor said I need a c/s I wasn't thinking of anything other than "thank god this pain will be over soon".


Ditto.

I voted "undecided" (and not because it's my nature to fence-sit :o )
I will always be really skeptical and wary of a Dr's opinion/motive.
Drs aren't nearly judges. They are entitled to be bias one way or another :(

I just had a Dr try to prescribe James antibiotics but he had to rewrite the script..... when I informed him James is 9 m.o. :confused:
The Dr assume he was 2 ! :eek: WTF!!

cheezelz
19-07-2007, 08:55
[quote=OneBabyBoy;1710868]I suppose it's just natural to trust doctors. quote]

I was very ill informed at my birth. I hadn't realised how much until I became a member of the Hub. I was not only ill informed of the labour but also of the GD I have developed which encouraged my Dr to perform such an operation. The only advice my Dr gave me was that a c-section with this birth would result in all my babies being delivered the same way. Who was I argue? It was sudden & abrupt. I left things in the hands of my Ob. She was great with my MC the previous year so I felt she knew best. I know better now that I can demand more of Drs...especially when I go to a private Ob & private hospital and they are getting paid $1000's to be there for me!

I am more empowered thanks to Becca74 and am now preparing my birth plan. Although I am not close to starting to TTC yet.

Many of you know my opinions on this and I thank you for your support so far. My mental wounds have re-opened about my c-section over the past few weeks due to my 2 best friends about to give birth, hopefully "naturally".

Milliner
19-07-2007, 09:04
DP knows my feelings on having a c-sect and we will do anything that we can to avoid having one. I would only have one as a last last resort.

SassyMummy
19-07-2007, 13:02
Well, evidence shows I cave in, albeit through tears...

But that's not happening again. I'll be homebirthing, and will only hire a midwife I trust... so if SHE is recommending I go to the hospital, then I'll trust in her. I have read a bit to know that a lot of reasons given for caesareans are ridiculous, and I'm not going to allow myself to be another disappointing statistic (again).

RoarsomeMum
19-07-2007, 13:06
I am waiting to give birth, so not sure if my Opinion will help...

I would be scared to death if I heard the words C section.. I don't particularly trust my Doctor.. I don't know him very well and have heard he tends to be "C section happy" That does worry me at this stage.

And I guess, being my first, Im worried my opinion/feelings wont count.. I dont want to feel forced into having a C.. I feel too clueless to know how to protect myself from it if it is suggested...

WeloveHarriet
19-07-2007, 15:17
I was offered an emergency c-section 8wks ago by my OB and midwife due to DS's heartbeat crashing with each contraction.

As I have absolute faith in my OB and have never feared the eventuality of a c-section, I had no qualms in agreeing. At the end of the day all I want is a happy and healthy baby - doesn't matter how it gets here.

BubbaNoogie
19-07-2007, 15:35
When I had been in labour for 20hrs with my first, I was told that if I didnt have the baby in an hour I would have to have a caesarean.
My reaction was "I am not having a f***n' caesarean", which was pretty much the first words I had uttered in the long painful labour.
I hadnt had the baby in the hour ("failure to progress to the 2nd stage") so I was preped for the caeser and wheeled off to theatre, I wouldnt give my consent though, so the ob said he would try forceps first and if that didnt work I would have to have it. Long story short the forceps worked.
I am glad I stood my ground, even though I was scared, exhausted, young (18) and clueless.
I will never agree to one ,unless it is an absolutely necessary.

kita
19-07-2007, 15:47
have heard he tends to be "C section happy"

i have never met an OB who was, it surprises me as my OB made me go see a psychologist before he would consent to giving me a c/s.

nut
19-07-2007, 15:54
I would be scared to death if I heard the words C section.. I don't particularly trust my Doctor.. I don't know him very well and have heard he tends to be "C section happy" That does worry me at this stage.


Oh Em, can you change Obs? I think if you're feeling this way there is a need to do something. I'm not anti-Ob. Mine was wonderful, but if your gut says you can't trust yours listen to it. At least get a doula or an IM to advocate for you.

None of my business I know but I mean well.:yes:

tru
19-07-2007, 16:05
I would prefer a natural birth over any type of unnecessary surgery. (I'm not saying all c-sections are unnecessary so don't come back at me please!) I'd just want to make sure it was a "do or die" type of situation before I went under the knife.

We were told at antenatal classes that the c-section rate is much higher in private hospitals due to that being the obs prefered method of delivery... for their convenience and $$$ :mad:


...eta: Can you answer a question? Why do you/dont you trust a Drs opinion at face value?.....

Just one example I can think of at the moment: when I went to have some fetal monitoring after a minor car accident at 8 months pregnant, the dr told me that from my "contractions" (which I couldn't even feel) that the baby would be born within the next day or 2... He was born 2 weeks later, naturally.

There's plenty of other times I know of where doctors got it wrong, but hey - there are some fantastic ones too! :yes:

becca74
22-07-2007, 02:58
okay....it's 1am and I finally have a portion of time childfree to respond properly to this thread I started.....

I obviously voted for the option that I would do tonnes of research and get a million opinions first, before submitting to surgery to remove my baby from my body....

As I stated in that voting option, to provide research in regards to this, you can find studies that I perused here, plus studies which took place after my HBA2C (click to view):

Top 15 Studies from 2006 regarding VBAC/Caesarean (http://www.ican-online.org/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=51&page=articles&articleid=9)

Risk of Uterine Rupture With a Trial of Labor (http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/reprint/108/1/12)ing Women With Multiple and Single Prior (http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/reprint/108/1/12) Cesarean Delivery (http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/reprint/108/1/12)
VBAC or Repeat C-Section (http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10213)
Outcomes of planned home births with certified professional midwives: large prospective study in North America (http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7505/1416)
Homebirth Superior to Hospital birth (http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=10721)And to answer the question I posed, why dont I trust Dr's opinions?

Well, I'm sure a lot of you are already aware, I had an obstetrician cry wolf when there was no wolf, and I ended up with PTSD, and unnecessary surgery. It's not just Drs I dont trust anymore, thanks to him.....I'm pretty paranoid that most other 'professionals' are working with some kind of priority to further their own agenda and use me to do this.

I fear that a lot (not all, but A LOT) of obstetricians dont practice based on research or evidence. I fear that a lot of them are practicing based on fear of litigation, financial gain and/or some kind of power trip to prove the silly filly of a woman wrong and put her back in her subserviant place.

Just my feelings from my experience.....It does make me :barf: that this same obstetrician is butchering women on a daily basis - probably butchering one as I type this post - and he is raking in taxpayers money to do it.....

I know I am bitter, but I've been burnt quite badly.....:gloomy:

Silvana
24-07-2007, 13:07
I was in a public hospital when I had my c-section so I didn't have a personal OB, only midwives. They had tried to induce me (had pre-eclampsia which was worsening) and nothing had happened for 24 hours. They had tried to break my waters, and it didn't work. In my situation, I believed that did all they could to ensure a natural birth, it just wasn't forthcoming. They had warned me that if nothing was going to happen, then a caesar would be likely. I was scared, but only because I never researched (that is my fault, I never thought I would be having one). They made sure it was the last option, which is I was happy with.

I trusted them the whole way. To me, it is the Doctors that have spent their years studying and practising. They have experience. While a select few would be knife-happy, most are not. IMO, (am not critiscing anyone) we can research all we like, but we do not have the knowledge and expertise that doctors do to. All I wanted was a healthy and happy baby, I did not care if at the end, I didn't deliver naturally. This is just my opinion based on my experience. I am not speaking for anyone else or saying that others are wrong.

becca74
24-07-2007, 13:30
I suppose when it comes to Obstetricians (particularly male and women who have not had a birth), my analogy goes like this:

I could watch/studied a thousand people eat an apple. I could read up on every book about apples and eating them. But If I've never eaten one, how do I truly relate to and understand apples, their taste, their texture, how the make me feel, what my body does when it consumes one....

...and...

If I had, God forbid, Cancer, I know that if I had a choice between a Specialist who had never had Cancer, and a Specialist who had experienced Cancer, and overcome it.....I know which specialist I would prefer to choose...the one who knew first-hand from experience, what I was going through.

I guess that is why I would choose care from a Midwife who has experienced natural birth, and has worked with women 1on1 for many many years. My body isnt a text book. It is an organic animal which houses my instinctive & sensitive soul.....I believe my Midwife was best because she was in tune with this, rather than the Obstetricians, in the past, who have treated me as though I am some numb robot that has to fit onto a flow chart from their text book.

Just my opinion.....;)

mishlc
24-07-2007, 13:54
I am 33wks and hoping and praying I have a successful VBAC. I will ONLY caesarian if me or the baby are at risk and I want it all explained fully to me and DH.
I had emergency CS with my DD and truly beleive it was avoidable.
I have found it very hard to get support from DH and fam and friends in wanting a VBAC as they all think I am being too risky but I have done the research and feel unneccesary CS are TOO common and I don't want to add to those statistics by just laying back and saying cut me open without even trying!

xxx Mish

spiraldancer
24-07-2007, 14:12
:wave: hi guys interesting thread .The only suggestion i could offer is that the opening line of poll is somewhat confusing ie. offered/recommended. To me offered suggests there is no medical reason , where as recommended means there is a medical reason.Therefore two different occasions arising.I agree with above posts safety is paramount for bub and mum and frankly thats all thats important to me :wizard:

stellarella
24-07-2007, 14:21
I chose this option for the purpose of the poll "I'll only take up the offer after much research &/or extra opinions (share research if you can)"

It would depend on whether I was actually in labour or if it was during pregnancy.

If I was pregnant but not in labour I would not consider a c/sec under any circumstances unless labour had been trialled and proven that I could not give birth.

If I was actually in labour then I would have the turmoil and vulnerability of being in labour to deal with so I would rely heavily on my care providers and birth supporters.

It will help that I will have a home birth midwife attending me and I would be able to trust her to give me accurate and honest information. It is very comforting to know I am attended by a care provider who wants to avoid a c/sec as much as me.

I will not give up the gift of birthing my son/daughter to an OB without a fight. I made her/him so I will birth him/her.

becca74
24-07-2007, 14:22
:wave: hi guys interesting thread .The only suggestion i could offer is that the opening line of poll is somewhat confusing ie. offered/recommended. To me offered suggests there is no medical reason , where as recommended means there is a medical reason.Therefore two different occasions arising.I agree with above posts safety is paramount for bub and mum and frankly thats all thats important to me :wizard:

Recommended doesn't mean needed - I have had unnecessary Caesars 'reccommended' to me on several occasions....one reccomended to me during labour with my 3rd son.

An obstetrician recommended that my 4th son last year would be better off born via caesarean, as he told me that a vaginal birth could kill us both.

Sooooooo...An easy, normal and straightforward vaginal birth later, his recommendation was obviously the WRONG recommendation. I had extensively researched, I knew that a straightforward vaginal birth was most likely given my circumstances - he however, was recommending c/sec to me based only on myth, not truth and reality.

melannh
24-07-2007, 14:59
I am all for natural birth - and for me, the emergency c/s i had was out of necessity. My DD was in distress and heart beat was dropping dramatically with each contraction - along with the fact that the epidural did not work.
It appears that my faith in my DR, and his explanations of different scenarios before labour etc... provided me with an open mind.
Although natural labour is what I was striving for - a healthy, happy baby is what I was most concerned about.
If in the event someone isn't happy with their Dr before giving birth - then I would demand a different Dr, or go elsewhere - that isn't setting up a great environment to start with.
I just think we're all different, and if natural is the way certain women want to go - good on them I say. I support them... In saying that, I also support women's choice for c/s.
I know there is alot of negative publicity surrounding Doctors - but, as in all 'jobs' and 'professions', I think we need to respect the hard work, time and study they've gone through to get to where they are and respect that they are the experts.

Hope everyone's well. :)

Lillynix
03-08-2007, 14:31
None of the poll options really apply to me but I chose 'I'll only take up the offer after much research &/or extra opinions'

I will be having a VBAC this time around, and the ONLY things that will prevent me from doing so are...

My life or my babies life is at risk of dying.
-or-
There is a medical reason as to why is it physically impossible for me to give birth.

I feel if I had gotten the labour that I wanted with DD then my emerg. c-section wouldn't have been needed. This time I am determined to fight for my rights to labour and birth the way I want unless there is a DAMN good reasons that it is impossible.

shymmer
03-08-2007, 20:20
I chose "I will take up the offer if the Doc explains in great detail" - this is based on not being in labour at the time. If I was in labour and the Doc said - I suggest a c-sec I'd say - 'bring it on'.

I do trust Doctors. But I have done a lot of research on C-sec (and VB's) so I know what is involved. I'm not against c-secs at all, emergency or elective.
I would not wish to go through a difficult VB just for the purpose of have a 'natural' birth. Difficult Vb's can do a lot of damage and personally I would not risk that when I have an alternative to looking after bub and myself.

Tulp
03-08-2007, 20:34
I wanted natural birth but after 17 odd hours and having meconium expelled into the amniotic fluid during labor we decided c-sec was the best way to go to avoid respiratory problems for bub..

Research shows 3 main problems could occur if this happens:
* the material may block the airways
* efficiency of gas exchange in the lungs is lowered
* the meconium-tainted fluid is irritating, inflaming airways and possibly leading to chemical pneumonia

Dr. did not need to convince us.

.... plus when we got to the hospital, I was 4cm and after 17 hours not much change. We were not getting anywhere.

becca74
03-08-2007, 22:36
I wanted natural birth but after 17 odd hours and having meconium expelled into the amniotic fluid during labor we decided c-sec was the best way to go to avoid respiratory problems for bub..

Research shows 3 main problems could occur if this happens:
* the material may block the airways
* efficiency of gas exchange in the lungs is lowered
* the meconium-tainted fluid is irritating, inflaming airways and possibly leading to chemical pneumonia

Dr. did not need to convince us.

I'm not too educated on meconium, as it was never a personal experience of mine, but a friend of mine had a c/sec after thick meconium was found, recently...what are the statistical chances of your baby ending up affected in the ways you describe above....I'd love to see studies/research papers too, to pass on info :detective:

no1pearl
03-08-2007, 23:40
...And i still feel ripped off. i know i have to come to terms with Pearl's birth, but there is so much i wish i could have a second go at it!

i had (and think most mum's to be have) expectations or at least hopes about a VBAC going well.
i stayed reasonably active throughout the preg was never sure of thr exact date, and read a lot including the fact babies are 'cooked' at 42 weeks, but it's 40 in Australia. odd, must be something to do with the ozone layer... not.

i was induced (needle no gel) at one week after due date (after 1 week of 'regular' BH and thinking i was going to hospital every couple of hours only to have contracts slow down again!)
arriving at hosp i was 1 cm.
24 hrs later after being told to push, and trying suction, and feeling her head with my fingers and asking 'so, is this the front' and answering myself with 'no coz she should be the other way'...
we went for a c-sect.
Pearl never missed beat, she just surprised the surgeons with her little elongated head facing my front! i only wish we had have known before pushing so hard - i think i have scarred her forehead with my pubic bone.

-if only i stayed at home and waited - i know she wasn't 'overdone'. i just did as i was told.

Anyway - what was done was done, and she was and is a beautifully healthy and happy baby.

actually i chose with dr's strong pursuasion during labour, but i think i'll be asking for more details and a scan if i 'fail to progress' next time and they can keep their needle and i'll wait (longer) till she's in the right spot.
i have every confidence in baby and me, and lost it at the door of maternity ward.

Maybe next time!

:fingerscrossed:

JAG
04-08-2007, 00:27
For my first baby I was too trusting of the doctor and assumed that a c-section would occur only if me or my child was in danger and that was the safest option. So when the doctor said I needed one I didn't question him during my labour and just went along.
After the event, I have now done much research, spoken to midwives and doctors and now question the need for the c-section.
I was also told at the time by the doctor that I should have a c-section for any future births.
I know with my second pregnancy I have a very good chance of a sucessful VBAC and will only accept a c-section as a last resort. I wish I knew more about when a c-section is necessary for my first child.
My advice to anyone is to do as much research before your in labour and are in a vulnerable position. You will be in a better position to know whether the doctor really has your interest at heart.

Silverbaby
04-08-2007, 10:52
I'm still at odds as to why this question keeps coming up? Does it really matter how your baby comes into the world? Does the number of hours you labour make you a better mother? I feel that I'm lucky to be a part of a society were medical intervention is something that saves lives but then again I never had this fantasy over a natural birth...I'm definitely pro-intervention!! I pay my private health insurance and say bring it on to drugs and all other intervention...!!:)

Of course, I do think that women should have the right to choose how they give birth. I think OBs do perform more c-sectiond today due to deaths in the past but does that make the c-sections unnecessary ?

Just my opinion by the way...

spiraldancer
04-08-2007, 11:39
:wave: hi i totally agree with silverbaby two of my great grand mums died in childbirth so i think modern society has made birthing safer. sometimes i wonder why women are so hard on themselves when our society puts enough pressure on us re; weight;looks;age and mothering techniques, maybe we should all be a little kinder to ourselves and stop judging our choices so harshly just my opinion nothing more or less cheers:babydust2: spiraldancer

mishlc
04-08-2007, 12:38
None of the poll options really apply to me but I chose 'I'll only take up the offer after much research &/or extra opinions'

I will be having a VBAC this time around, and the ONLY things that will prevent me from doing so are...

My life or my babies life is at risk of dying.
-or-
There is a medical reason as to why is it physically impossible for me to give birth.

I feel if I had gotten the labour that I wanted with DD then my emerg. c-section wouldn't have been needed. This time I am determined to fight for my rights to labour and birth the way I want unless there is a DAMN good reasons that it is impossible.

Ditto ALL of the above!

I am so determined to have this baby vaginally!

*insert tanty smiley here* I will be kicking and screaming bloody murder before they wheel me into a theatre for no "medical" reason!:laughing: :D

mishlc
04-08-2007, 12:49
I chose "I will take up the offer if the Doc explains in great detail" - this is based on not being in labour at the time. If I was in labour and the Doc said - I suggest a c-sec I'd say - 'bring it on'.

I do trust Doctors. But I have done a lot of research on C-sec (and VB's) so I know what is involved. I'm not against c-secs at all, emergency or elective.
I would not wish to go through a difficult VB just for the purpose of have a 'natural' birth. Difficult Vb's can do a lot of damage and personally I would not risk that when I have an alternative to looking after bub and myself.

Please don't take any of this the wrong way...but have you really researched Vaginal birth vs Caesarean?

The benefits to you and your baby in a vaginal birth FAR outway a CS. Just my opinion, but a difficult vaginal birth is soooooo much better for you and baby than a caesarean!

Especially if this is your first baby, I can't remember what your signature said if you already have a bub, but having a CS with my first, to find someone to support my choice in having a VBAC this time round has been so hard.
I really hate the fact I was so stupid, naive and trusting of the Drs and midwives when I went for my check-up and was told the baby was distresed and I had to have CS. I never even experienced a labour....and now with all the reading a nd researching I have been doing this pregnancy, I am going to try and go as natural as I can, because every different drug and intervention has such a BIG impact on your labour and the baby. Even just the epidural, that you have to have for CS has full on effects!

Read Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering, this book has completely changed my views on birth etc.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not trying to preach or anything, just asking if you really have done much reading on the 2 ways of birthing?

:D xx Mish

Tulp
04-08-2007, 12:49
I'm not too educated on meconium, as it was never a personal experience of mine, but a friend of mine had a c/sec after thick meconium was found, recently...what are the statistical chances of your baby ending up affected in the ways you describe above....I'd love to see studies/research papers too, to pass on info :detective:

A search on Meconium Aspiration Syndrome should get you a fair bit of info.

Minke
04-08-2007, 15:44
In my last pregnancy i was offered a c/s at my 38 week check as we knew the bub was quite large (i know this is a **** reason...). Anyhoo, having already had a V/B i knew that i could birth that way (and knowing how wrong sizing ultrasounds are), so opted to go natural.

I hospital I dilated very quickly, but he never engaged - so after two hours of pushing i was presented with that option again (my Dr was not on that weekend, and the Dr i got is known to be very pro V/B). I asked to push for another hour and see how i went, but he still didn't budge. Then i consented, obviously being an em c/s i didn't ask many questions other than is it necessary. When he was born he had a big lump (imagine vacuum extraction lump) on his head from my pelvis. (Ends up the sizing scan was spot on.)

If i was to have another ( which i am not) i probably would have a trial labour, but would be open to elective (with a sizing scan or two thrown in). I would be asking many questions though which ever way i went. Don't know really - don't need to think about it anymore! :D

nats
04-08-2007, 20:13
I'm not too educated on meconium, as it was never a personal experience of mine, but a friend of mine had a c/sec after thick meconium was found, recently...what are the statistical chances of your baby ending up affected in the ways you describe above....I'd love to see studies/research papers too, to pass on info :detective:

On another forum I've been following the vbac journey of a mum booked in at westmead ( a matter close to home for me as I had my c/s at westmead) anyhoo, she had mec in waters but in the absense of fetal distress the labour was let to continue. And that was a vbac :thumbsup:

Do you think that mec could be removed before the baby takes it's first breathe?

becca74
04-08-2007, 21:15
A search on Meconium Aspiration Syndrome should get you a fair bit of info.

i did a google, i just didn't know if you had any studies on hand, since you quoted the risks...


<H4>Katz & Bowes 1992

Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1992 Jan;166(1 Pt 1):171-83.
Comment in:
Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1992 Dec;167(6):1914-6.
Meconium aspiration syndrome: reflections on a murky subject.
Katz VL, Bowes WA Jr.
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 27599-7570.

Meconium-stained amniotic fluid occurs in approximately 12% of live births. In approximately one third of these infants meconium is present below the vocal cords. However, meconium aspiration syndrome develops in only 2 of every 1000 live-born infants. Ninety-five percent of infants with inhaled meconium clear the lungs spontaneously.

Recent investigations have suggested that a reexamination of our assumptions about the etiology of meconium aspiration syndrome is in order.

Several authors have provided evidence that support the hypothesis that it is not the inhaled meconium which produces the primary pathologic condition of meconium aspiration syndrome but rather it is fetal asphyxia that is the etiologic agent. Asphyxia in utero produces pulmonary vasospasm and hyperreactivity of the pulmonary vessels. With severe asphyxia the fetal lungs undergo pulmonary vascular damage with pulmonary hypertension. The damaged lungs are then unable to clear the meconium.

In the most severe cases there is right-to-left shunting and persistent fetal circulation with subsequent fetal death. The incidence of meconium aspiration may thus be essentially unaffected by current obstetric and pediatric interventions at birth.

For the asphyxiated or distressed infant we recommend suctioning at birth and tracheal intubation. In the healthy fetus observation may be sufficient.

PMID: 1733193 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
</H4>5% of the 2 in 1000 infants...

anyone good at number crunching? is that something like 1 in 10,000 or a 0.0001% statistical chance that bubs won't clear the meconium from it's lungs spontaneously? (i'm not brilliant at maths :o :laughing:)

xkwzit
04-08-2007, 21:27
Nope :D

meconium aspiration syndrome develops in only 2 of every 1000 live-born infants

Means that of every 1000 live births, 2 have the syndrome. So chances of any baby having the syndrome are 1 in 500 or 0.2%. Chances of any baby NOT having the syndrome are 99.8%.

I do this for a living :D

Cheers

ETA: the 95% figure comes from the 4% of ALL babies have meconium below their vocal chords (one third of 12%), but only 0.2% of ALL babies have the syndrome. Therefore, of that 4% that had meconium below vocal chords, 95% OF THEM will not have a problem because they have cleared the meconium spontaneously.

becca74
05-08-2007, 01:09
Nope :D


Means that of every 1000 live births, 2 have the syndrome. So chances of any baby having the syndrome are 1 in 500 or 0.2%. Chances of any baby NOT having the syndrome are 99.8%.

I do this for a living :D

Cheers

ETA: the 95% figure comes from the 4% of ALL babies have meconium below their vocal chords (one third of 12%), but only 0.2% of ALL babies have the syndrome. Therefore, of that 4% that had meconium below vocal chords, 95% OF THEM will not have a problem because they have cleared the meconium spontaneously.

thanks xkwzit! I had a feeling I was waaaaaay off :laughing:

lillyflower04
05-08-2007, 07:06
Why do you/dont you trust a Drs opinion at face value?[/B]

Obs in particular, have a vested interest in selling a c/s as the desirable option - they make roughly 3 times more money for a c/s than a vb, and it's way quicker too :rolleyes: . I also find they can think they're god and don't like you to be knowledgable obout your body because they like to be the 'experts'.

angelickaren
16-08-2007, 08:19
my ob told me at my first appt after he had heard my last two births he said it would be most likely a c/sec as my last bub was 13p5oz at 37 weeks he was a bit worried about in yrs to come i could have a prolapse so he said we would look at it closer to the birth so at 35 weeks i had a u/s to measure the size of bub he said to me at 37 weeks bub would be 9 p or so .
so that would be fine to try natrual he was going to induce me at 37 weeks so i could have a natrual birth as its better to have that then a c/sec i was totally shocked that a private ob said that to me
dd was born 7 p 5 oz i thanked him the next day after the birth as if i had a c/sec i would not be up around etc so well he belived in me and he said to me i knew you could do it so this ob was not going to give me a c/sec even after my history thankfully i didnt have to have one :yelclap:

JATS
16-08-2007, 11:03
In my case there was no question. I knew I had placenta previa, I could see it for myself on the U/S I had at 34, 36 and 38 weeks.

There was no need for a Dr or Ob to 'convince' me I needed a c/s. A VB was simply out of the question, Tom and I wouldn't survive a vaginal birth, simple as that.

I don't understand the poll question, really. Ok for a c/s when there WAS a choice maybe, but for the rest of us?

When a c/s was 'offered' of course I jumped at it! It was the only thing we could do!